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in to help rev up the communications operation and after reflection, my decision was to recommend to the president that i give anthony and sarah a clean slate to start from, so they can talk about the president's agenda and help move it forward. >> but white house watchers say spicer may only be the first to fall. chief of staff reince priebus and steve bannon were not happy with the scaramucci hiring and may be outs with the president. jeff sessions is under heat as well. the president telling "the new york times" on thursday he never would have nominated him if he knew he would recuse himself from the russia investigation. then trump took a shot at session again just today. questioning why sessions is not investigating hillary clinton. kelly o'donnell joins us live at the white house, and kelly, as we're watching all of this happen at the white house, what do we know about what might be next? >> well, we have long heard rumors of turmoil within the upper ranks of the senior staff.
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so reince priebus, who is the chief of staff, has long talked about as being out and in and out and yet he has hung on. today the white house said that he is having lunch with the president out at his virginia trump national golf club with the treasury secretary and other top policy and speech writing aide steven miller. and so that to me is a signal that the white house wants to show that the relationship between the president and the chief of staff on a saturday afternoon is good enough that they are having a meeting and sharing a meal together. so there is nothing that we expect in terms of additional changes. however, anthony scaramucci, the new communications director did say he needs a chance to assess his team and we don't know if he'll bring in some associates of his. he has not been in a political communications role before or if he will keep a number of the staffers who worked under sean spicer. many came from the rnc.
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that is why reince priebus has been chairman. there is deaf nately a priebus-spicer imprint and we'll see if there is additional changes. the rumors have long been swirling about changes, whether it is steve bannon or priebus and to this point they are hanging on. richard. >> kelly, one part of is this is scaramucci and what is the reaction to him as he stlood and we're showing -- stood there and showing his first interface, not an easy group to keep in line. he seemed very calm. >> and he's a confident personality. he had been a host on a business show for a period of time. he is a self-made billionaire who built many companies who is a confident person who has a good relationship with the president and that is currency in this white house. he has been friendly with reince priebus. he had them being like brothers and sparring with each other and
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reince priebus has done the circuit on television trying to explain these changes. he had been reported to be against this move and then coming out and saying he is 100% behind it so. we have a clip of reince priebus talking about what these changes mean for the white house. >> it is a good day for president trump. to get a person in that calms and that he believes in and sometimes a fresh start is a good thing. sean did a great job and he is a dear friend as everybody knows. but it is good to start fresh. and so sean gets to start fresh, anthony gets to start fresh and most importantly, the president gets to start fresh and i think that is a good thing. >> and richard, we heard that the president had been frustrated that there weren't enough people voicing support for the president. his agenda and speaking in his voice, if you will. so when we watch anthony scaramucci you really saw him speaking directly to the president, directly about the
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president, professing his love and admiration for the president, things that would probably play well in the oval office and the residence here at the white house. so it is a new clock that is starting for the trump administration to see if they can organize themselves in a different way, especially in the face of these investigations, and the challenges with health care and all of those still to be sorted out problems dealing even with a republican congress. so it is a tall order and now there is at least the start of a new team in place. >> kelly, what does this mean in terms of -- from your perspective here, reporting at the white house and on the hill for so many years, what is the new skill that scaramucci brings into the white house and what skill does he lose by sean spicer now stepping aside? are they preparing for what might be a tough bunch of weeks to come? >> well one of the things with sean spicer is that he had been a communications professional in politics for a very long time and so most of the reporters who
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covered washington politics for any period of time had a pre-existing relationship with sean spicer. so there is a level of trust there and a relationship there. that is something that had value. and then spicer hit some road blocks and stumbles with some of the mistakes that i think he would acknowledge he made. and questions about his credibility. now you've got scaramucci who is probably greatest strength is his own comfort in front of the camera and his relationship with the president. but he does not have long-standing relationships with as many as of the journalists and he'll need to build those relationships and because he has not run a press communications operation before, certainly built businesses and dealt with staff and all of those kinds of things, but understanding sort of the interaction that goes on day-to-day between any government entity, whether it is a governor or senate office or the white house and the working reporters who cover it. there are norms of how things are done. spicer was of that mold.
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this is a new day and we'll see how it goes. >> we'll see how it goes. so well said as always. kelly thank you. kelly o'donnell at the white house. next week, the russia investigation will take a big turn. son-in-law jared kushner will be interviewed by the senate and house intelligence committee and don jr. and paul manafort will be interviewed. we don't know the date of that as of yet. but they will answer questions and provide documents. they will not testify in public, at least not yet. but a big development to watch out for in just the last few days, the president has been taking aim at special counsel robert mueller. trump told the new york times if he looks into his personal finances as he he is, that mueller would be crossing a line. that is in the new york times and then the president today touting almost bragging on twitter about his pardoning powers. this all leading to remarkable moment last night. two former intelligence chiefs blasted the president over
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russia with very candity comments at a security conference in saaspen. take a listen. >> i wonder, if we're making russia great again. i think russia is a threat to this country. >> if he is fired by mr. trump or attempted to by fired by mr. trump, i hope that members of congress or elected representatives will stand up and say enough is enough. it is the obligation to refuse to carry out some of the orders that are inconsistent with what this country is all about. >> also there at that forum, nbc's national security reporter ken delanie there in aspen. and ken, if you could read minds, if there were thought bubbles sitting out there in the audience when those two statements came out, did they really say that, were they really that candid, if you will, speaking to wolf blitzer there from cnn. but that happens when you are on panels sometimes. >> richard, i think there was reaction of amazement and also agreement here at this national
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security conference. among both republicans and democrats. those men, john brennan and james clapper were articulating a view i've heard privately from all quarters here. maybe not in such stark terms. and people may say of course president obama's former security will criticize president trump. s in not normal. it is rather unprecedented. for a 50 year career intelligence employee like james clapper that served republicans and democrats. there is deep disquiet about where the investigation is going and about trump's behavior toward vladimir putin. and brennon lamentented that it was an honor to meet putin. and he said this is a man who hacked and meddled in our oelection so why is it an honor to meet him. so a lot of angst here. >> and on friday, "the washington post" coming out from current and former officials
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saying that attorney general sessions did, indeed, speak with russian official about the campaign and potential policy movements or views from donald trump's inner circle. what do we know about that? >> that is right. this is a story that is brewing for a while, richard. nbc news reporting a while back that there were some questions about whether jeff sessions had an additional meeting that he hadn't disclosed at the may flower hotel with kislyak but there are now intercepts that suggests that kislyak told his bosses in moscow that he had subsequent meetings with jeff sessions around the republican national conventions. sessions denies that he had these conversations an the fact that kislyak told his bosses in moscow that he did doesn't prove that it happened but it is a significant development and puts more pressure on jeff sessions to show that, in fact, he wasn't colluding with the russian
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ambassador during this time. >> and ken, let's move to another branch of government, the house and senate have agreed upon sanctions for russia and stiffer in view and in practice than the white house. >> yeah, this is brewing for sometime. and today we learn there is an agreement and a vote next week. this is a big development. because this would bind donald trump's hands. it would make it much more difficult for him to withdraw the sanctions that the obama administration put in place to punish russia for that election hacking and some other sanctions involving russia seizure of crimea and impose additional sanctions and now donald trump is facing the prospect of does he veto this bill that he doesn't like or allow it to become law and it is a break between those in congress and the president on russia. >> ken delanie there in aspen, colorado, at a security forum. thank you so much. >> thank you, sir. let's bring in vivian solano, and also sub saban with
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the daily beast. thank you both for being here. vivian, i'll start with you on this and let's reflect on what ken is reporting and what he was describing for us and that is just within the last 24 hours these developments, one of which is the washington post reporting and the development of financial disclosures coming from jared kushner and ivanka trump which both indicate what may be involving the russia connection question. >> that is right. so you have this basically realm that now the investigation is starting to swirl around finances and we saw earlier this week where robert mueller may be investigating the president's finances, something that he has voiced concern about, that in the new york times interview that was published this week made clear that he was not feeling comfortable with, that that sort of crossed a red line for him in terms of what robert mueller's tasks at hand are and where his legitimately allowed to investigate and it is a major
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issue for the president and a major concern and that goes for his family members as well. they -- this is a president that used to very strictly adhere to confidentiality and had people sign nondisclosure agreements when it came to his business dealings and so this is definitely making him very unhe'sy and it is no doubt that he unleashed this morning on twitter asserting his ability, his presidential powers if you will, because he feels that at this point it is getting a little bit too close for comfort, getting into a realm that he does not feel comfortable with. and so that is obviously manifesting itself in his tweets this morning. >> clearly. it appears -- as you look as what is also happening, it is negotiation and readjustment of donald trump jr. and paul manafort appearing again in front of the investigations that are happening on the hill. all of this happening again in a
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very short amount of time. is the appearance there of that -- that the white house is notching up, if you will, reaction to the mueller investigation? >> well, the president tweeting out and floating in the new york times interview from a few days ago that maybe i will fire mueller, that is a paraphrase of course, is classic trump. he is operating in the mind of still being a business man. where if he were running his business out of trump tower, sacking a guy like mueller or the equivalent of that in his business wouldn't really be a problem. but the situation here is that trump is dealing with the story that he hates the most. there is nothing that he hates talking about and reading about or watching on tv less than the russia story and the russia investigation. as i and my colleague lock lynn mckay have reported he literally yells at the tv when he sees
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coverage regarding the russia scandals, that he disagrees with and that he vehemently despises. and as you were saying earlier, these stories regarding team trump and the russian government seem to be coming at a very fast clip. and there is still the feeling that there are many shoes left to drop. and the white house is continuing to say that there is no fire, where there is a heck of a lot of smoke. >> and has the yelling increases, do you think, vivian? as we are saying here, has it increased just within the latter part of last week? if with you put those together, it seems like the white house based on reporting and in terms of the actions, that the white house could be a little bit more nervous. >> absolutely. and it is showing in so many different ways. the resignation of sean spicer while it doesn't have anything directly to do with the russia investigation, it is all sort of
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product of this interest to really shift gears in this white house. and a lot of that is rooted in the russia investigation. and their inability to just completely get that narrative to go away. to stop leading headlines and driving so much of the story that is looked at in this white house within only the first six months, and so there is definitely a nervousness with the president himself when the president was going to france last week, i was on board air force one where he briefed journalists for an hour and a half and he really wanted to just completely set this issue aside. he's obviously always been very adamant about the fact that there was no collusion, that he's never colluded with the russians, he definitely wants to put away any narrative around don jr. having done something inappropriate, so he's obviously very concerned about it, but the new emergence of the financial concerns and anything that has
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to do with his finances is definitely just getting under his skin in a new way we haven't seen before. >> and his tax returns may be involved in this and the bloomberg reporting that potentially up to ten years of this financial background is now in the sights of mueller. so you have mueller who he may want to fire and you have sessions who is in big question right now, with scaramucci brought in, are they getting ready here, oswin for a major move potentially and he needs to have different team ready? >> a white house communications team shake-up has been something that the president has been weighing and wanting to execute on and off again for months now. basically since the dawn of his pressy press -- presidency or shortly after it started. but the president could bring in as much back-up oren forcement with regards to the
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communication strategy and outside legal team but at the end of the day you still have a president trump who will regularly and without thinking twice about it under cut his own senior staff and white house messaging, whether on twitter or in interviews with "the new york times" or washington post or on tv. so this is a white house that at the senior ranks does understand that the president could call in as many reinforcements as we wanted but at the end of the day, trump is going to be trump. >> thank you so much. thank you both very much. have a good saturday. >> thanks. >> thank you. what is next, the health care battle. yes, that is still happening. the republicans again suffering a major setback in the quest to repeal and replace obamacare. but that doesn't mean the fight is over. what republicans plan to do next. the opioid my doctor prescribed
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>> divided gop lawmakers don't know what mitch mcconnell waiting for them next week. a repeal or repeal and replace or something different. and the senate parliament said three key parts of the bill go against budget bills. chris wilson from wpa intelligence and democratic strategist and president at the center for community change action, thanks for joining us. dorian, i'll start with you here on set. taking steps to weaken obamacare in i believe 18 cities. cut the time to sign up for coverage in half there. whether or not what happens in terms of the repeal and replace happens, there are certain steps that white house can undertake. is there anything that democrats might do to try to stop that. >> sure. democrats could actually sound
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the sirens of what the trump administration is doing in terms of preventing sign-ups. but as we know, richard, the most important part or one of the most important parts of the affordable care act was the expansion of medicaid. and so many democratic governors and even republican governors have accepted the expansion and having encouraged constituents to sign up. so when you have the governor of nevada encouraging his home state senator so not support repeal because they accepted medicaid expansion, you have not only democratic support but republican support for keeping the bill as it is. >> that is a fire wall in what caused those before who were against obamacare here chris are now for it. you deal with numbers here and so you can reflect and expand on that here, chris. a washington post/abc news poll this shows support for obamacare by a two to one margin. are you seeing anything here that defies those numbers and the numbers you are looking at. >> yeah, i am. the challenge with doing polling
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on obamacare is everyone is still kind of in the nancy pelosi mode, doesn't know what is in it. there are things that people like about it and things people don't like. and they do see that the insurance market is collapsing and companies pulling out of state after state and you mentioned governor sandoval in nevada. news flash, politicians like government subsidy, that is not any major development. it is going to happen. it is him and john kasich and they are on an island when dit comes down to that. they have to stop setting arbitrate your deadlines and set it by this date and then they move the date and move it again. and this has to be fixed. president trump is right, democrats have to get on board because if they don't obamacare will collapse and it is on their hand. and it is already under the republican watch. the bigger political challenge that exists for republicans, they ran for office over the last three election cycles, really four, saying they are going to repeal and if they go into the 2018 cycle and have nothing to show in the house or
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the senate ahouse and and presidency, it will be a problem to get the base to support them when the base matters so much. >> and dealing with that, here, don, just the political argument that democrats could take on is one of the wins, if you will, in the middle, that democrats can take here as to work first of all with the republicans and part of that is just on the private side, right, the private insurance side which clearly has some opportunities to be improved. >> that democrats have been asking to work with the republicans on fixing the problems and the affordable care act. but it cannot come at the cost of huge tax cuts for the wealthy which is the at heart of the bill and it means attacking medicaid. and so that is the line that democrats will draw. do not touch medicaid. and it is not just democrats. it is con stitstituents that ha been saying hands off my medicaid and that is the republican problem that they did not anticipate when they, for
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the last seven years, were taking symbolic votes on repealing obamacare and now they have power, they have all three branches of government, they can't get it done because their own constituents are benefiting from the program. >> and who would have thought b and we talking about this on set, dorian and i were saying who would thought the fire wall woul would be medicaid. in a senate bill, the idea three quarters of a trillion dollars could be saved if you are added in revenue if that is withdrawn. but we all know the numbers of individuals that will be losing coverage. >> yeah, i think, look, from a standpoint of fixing, i'm not going to by my means claim to be an expert on health care. from political and republican opinion standpoint, the tired arguments of class warfare and taxes for the rich and a bailout and what they are going to get because if they don't do a government bailout or assistance to the insurance companies they will collapse under the weight of what is now obamacare.
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so there is no good solution for either side. and i think you will have the two wings of the party that -- both parties will have to work together on this or they will go into the 2018 election with the bases livid with them. you are going to have challenge from joe mansion to the left and to potentially some of the republican senators from the right. there is less republican senators in competitive races so it is not as big of an issue as the democrats so that is why you get into the fall and democrats realize they have got to work together with republicans. >> dorian and chris, i imagine it goes the other way too. >> thanks, richard. the democrats are making another move in the trump administration. this time is the seat left behind by attorney general jeff sessions and the question now can democrats flip that seat in a state heavily republican for decades. we go to alabama live. looking for balance in your digestive system?
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state. democratic candidates vying for jeff sessions former senate seat are all coming together for an event to rebuild the party's image. tammy leitner is in alabama and last time we spoke they were just about to gather and speak. now they have in part, what are you hearing? >> reporter: the forum is well underway. they are calling this the summer revival. they are talking about a range of topics from health care to education, they have people from five counties here. i'm here with miranda joseph, you drove in about an hour to get here. why did you come today? >> i came to hear the candidates and hear their stance on particular issues. >> reporter: and what do you think is the main problem with the democratic party here in alabama? >> i'm hoping in the future that we get more youth involved, more young women and young men to hear the stances of the democratic party here in alabama. >> reporter: and there is not been a democrat in that senate seat for well over 20 years. can you change that? >> oh, definitely, we can.
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the democrats in alabama are back and like they said, this is a revival, this is our year. 2017 and 2018 will be a change here in alabama. >> reporter: and you mentioned to me earlier, you are thinking about getting involved in politics very shortly here, is that correct. >> yes, ma'am. i was the 2010 and 2014 democratic nominee for state auditor and i'm running again in 2018. >> reporter: thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. richard, this is expected to go on for about 90 minutes. and each candidate gets about 2 and a half minutes to answer questions. and as i mentioned, a range of topics. certainly a lot of passion. about 150 people showed up for this today. back to you. >> many candidates are on the democratic side. seven can be good but on the flip side it could be bad. thank you tammy leitner in alabama, appreciate it. a wild 24 hours of news in the russia investigation. a breakdown of that, next.
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connection question. a lot of news over the last 24 hours or so from nbc news and other reputable news agencies. and all said it may show the white house has notably notched up efforts in response to special counsel robert mueller. it starts with bloomberg's greg feral that they are investigating tax returns potentially included and the same day "the washington post" reported that the president told aides he was disturbed after learning mueller would be able to access several years of his tax returns. in short, by moving into the president's financial dealings, mueller is undergoing an audit of immense proportion not seen before in history, which goes to the question of would the president try to stop mueller? mueller could be removed is if the current or a new attorney general fired mueller. or called the investigation off. then friday evening, we learn from the washington post, current and former officials say
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the current attorney general jeff sessions allegedly did talk about the campaign with the russian government. this after under oath sessions denied that he had done so and with this timing, it piles off more pressure for sessions to be gone. part of the pressure the president himself telling "the new york times," if he knew session was going to recuse himself, he would not have nominated sessions and if sessions leaves would a new attorney general stop the investigation. also late friday, two more developments. first it is released donald trump's daughter and son-in-law jared kushner that they revised their senate financial disclosure in it 77 new items added now worth up to a 3 quarters of a billion dollars or more according to cnn, all new. and monday and tuesday jared kushner by the way is to face interviews from congressional staffers. on late friday it is released that donald trump jr. and paul
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manafort have negotiated not to face public hearings on the hill. they will be interviewed in private and private requested documents to a senate judiciary committee panel. and that brings us to today. the president mentions the topic of pardons in a tweet. this after "the washington post" said he was asking about the power and range of his power of pardoning, which could include himself, his family and others. tweet -- here is his tweet. while all agree the u.s. president has the complete power to pardon, why think of that when only crime so far is leaks against u.s. fake news. joining me now is legal analyst and former federal prosecutor paul butler again. paul, thanks for being with us. so a lot happening there. is the president, is his right here to pardon power, could he pardon himself? >> that is an open question, richard. the supreme court has never opined on it. i think the best answer is
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probably not. what the constitution said is the president could pardon anybody for a forward crime. it explicitly states however, he cannot thwart an impeachment proceeding. so that suggests that the nature of pardon is an exercise of mercy against another person. it is probably not something that you can bestow on yourself. but the way that we find out is if the president does actually pardon himself, then the supreme court would review it. >> can he pardon without us knowing it? >> no. it would have to be a public act. it is complete in the sense that he can pardon anybody else for federal crime, including members of his family. and he could also pardon prospectively, you don't have to be charged with a crime in order to be pardoned. a lot of folks will remember when gerald ford pardoned nixon. at that point nixon hadn't been charged with a crime but the
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pardon was still valid. >> and then we have jeff sessions in that reporting coming from "the washington post." if that comes out to be true, does he face perjury charges here? >> you know, we have to look carefully at what he said under oath and already we see some parsing. he said under oath that he didn't know or didn't talk about russians about attempts to interfere with the campaign. so his defense might be that is not the same as saying that i didn't talk about the campaign. but that is not the kind of lawyerly talk or parsing that we would expect from the attorney general. the person who is the nation's chief law enforcement official. we would hope that he would be a little bit more forthcoming and transparent in his testimony to the senate. >> and then there goes the reporting about the investigation into potentially up to ten years of financial dealings of donald trump and donald trump as well as his lawyer saying, no, that is outside of the scope.
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legally, wloo ould it be outsid the scope of special counsel robert mueller? >> not at all. the public corruption officers like i used to be, it is a cliche and it is true, follow the money. so almost certainly right now special counsel mueller has years of trump's tax returns, he's allowed to follow leads, he's looking at things like trump operatives, money laundering, if there was hacking, it is likely that the russians didn't do it for free. well you don't write in a checkbook this is money to the russians for hacking. it is often disguised. and so it is every bit within the orbit of the special counsel to follow the money to see exactly what happened with regard to russia and trump campaign operatives. >> so you said former u.s. attorney, fired by president trump, he had an investigation looking into aspects of money laundering in russia and that was brought in to special
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counselor mueller's investigation now, moving forward. when you look at that, what do you take away from that reporting coming from bloomberg. >> i'm thinking about paul manafort who was the campaign manager for trump, he was at that now infamous meeting with trump, jared kushner and donald trump jr. >> right. >> so he might have some exposure, if he does almost certainly special counsel mueller is looking at flipping him. that is making a deal where he cooperations with the government and in exchange for testimony against who knows. maybe the president of the united states. maybe trump jr. he knows what went down at that meeting with the russian operatives. he's got lots of information, that special counsel mueller would be really interested in. >> a reporters best friend, paul butler who knows this stuff so well. paul, thank you so much for your information on all of this. i appreciate it. >> thank you. the minneapolis police chief
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order your kit now at happening now, flash flooding causing major problems in part of wisconsin. this video here taken in the town of glenn haven in southwest wisconsin. fortunately no deaths or injuries are reported in that area. the governor scott walker declaring a state of emergency in 17 counties affected by flooded roads and rivers and down trees. four counties in illinois also having been declared disaster areas because of flooding there. we'll keep an eye on that. in minneapolis, the shooting death of an australian woman by police has led to the resignation of the city's police chief. territo protesters say the resignation is not enough.
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minneapolis is the same city where an officer was acquitted of manslaughter in the shooting death of philando castile. ron mott is live in minneapolis with more. and ron, what is the latest? >> reporter: hi there, richard. good day to you. there is frustration in the air here as the city and this family down under demanding answers to exactly what led to justine damon's fatal shooting last sunday night. for folks not following the story. last sunday night she made a couple of 911 calls what she thought was a sexual assault and she ended up in the alleyway and approached the police officers as they rolled down the alley in an suv and this is where things get fuzzy. driver of the police vehicle told authorities that he heard a loud sound and they were startled by that and that is when shots were fired from the passenger seat, from that officer sitting on the right side of that vehicle. she was killed. there was a bicyclist who saw some of that take place and stood by while police
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administered first aid. she died 20 minutes later. that individual on the bicycle has been cooperative but last night the mayor in trying to restore confidence in the city's police force was inerrupted during her press conference by a large group of protesters. here is a a little bit of the change. >> the former chief wasn't doing her job but we understand it is beyond the chief. that problem is institutional. >> that is right. >> if it was not institutional, then those cameras -- those body cameras would have been on the police the other day. >> okay. protesters asking the city's mayor bessy hodges to resign and she came back after that interruption to say she will stay on the job here in ming. >> richard. >> ron, thank you so much live in minneapolis. now back to politics and health care. no one is quite sure what will happen next in the health care battle happening in washington, d.c. president trump today shared the stage in virginia with governor
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terry mcauliffe and a long time confidant of the clinton family. he said the president replied that he would love to hear ideas from him. another state worth watching is texas as the new yorker magazine reported this month. texas has the highest rate of uninsured people in the country and it is home to one fifth of america's uninsured children. texas democratic congressman mark feesy joining us now. thank you for coming into house here today at 30 rock. tell us about your district. you heard some of the reflections, some of the stata coming out of the texas but your district is special. >> absolutely. i get this very well. i have the highest uninsured rate out of any congressional district in the entire country according to the 2010 census. and so this issue about what is going to happen to the affordable care act is of particular interest to me. particularly when you look in the dallas area. there is so many people that don't have insurance. i have a very large undocumented
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population in the district that i represent and that is one of the issues. and as you know, toyota just moved to plano which is outside of dallas. we have a lot of growth in the dallas/fort worth area and despite the growth and the economic prosperity that we're having, we still have a lot of people out there that just don't have access to go get a medical checkup to help keep preventative costs down. >> and one of the headlines in the article i was alluding to, texas is america's future. not only because you see foreign investment moving into the south, they see new jobs entering the south in great states like texas. tell me why you believe texas is america's future. >> well it is important. we have first of all very affordable housing. you look at places on the coast like california, new york housing is very, very expensive. and you could still buy a nice house in texas for a little over $100,000. that is very unusual. we have room for new businesses to grow in areas like plano and
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the alliance corridor which is north fort worth. you have new manufacturing jobs coming online in those places. have a new facebook facility there and so we have the infrastructure in place but wep still have people that need just basic health care. we still have immigration problem. the democrats, unl, we're taking immigration head on, but as a border state we need for our republican cliegz and our delegation to also join us and say we need to come up with a plan that not only protects these naems but will help our agriculture business and other sectors that are vital to us continuing to grow and be that that's important to america. >> when you look at where texas is today, it's a lot like when you take a look at immigration and evolving economy it's a lot like california was 3040 years ago. houston, if that would be
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representative of the new american city is largely growing because of immigration. so the topic itself for texas is very, very crucial. >> oh, yeah. it's very crucial. we have to be able to answer that question without the political rhetoric. and quite frankly, the republicans have been kicking it down the road for a long time now. but again when you talk to the major business industries in the state, they will tell you that they don't have enough workers as it is. i was just visiting a food manufacturing plant in dallas a month ago, and the man that runs the plant told me that they may have to actually fire some of their retail customers because necessity just don't have the work force needed to be able to continue to manufacture the food. and it's because necessity need that immigrant work force to come in there and do these jobs. it's really scary what's going on right now. >> well, representative, they also say the cost of health care has been burden eng them even under obamacare. and that is certainly one of the opportunities to amend and fix. what would you compromise with
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from your fellow republicans on the other side on this very debate that will potentially, and we believe to have a vote in the senate this coming week? >> right. well, i've got to tell you, we'd be more than willing to compromise with republicans but of course all they've talked about is repealing obamacare. soon the democrats, we're going to talk more and unveil some more plans, some more ideas on what we would be willing to do to work with republicans to fix this. i've said all along that it's a problem. you don't have enough insure ersz that are part of the exchanges. our friends particularly in organized labor, they're saying that their plans if we don't keep, you know, putting them into the tax plan in order to take care of their plans that they've sacrificed salaries for, that they're going to lose thoes critical health care benefits, and they're concerned. and so there are a lot of issues that need to be addressed in this plan. we need to do something about the medical device tax. but, you know, we need for republicans to come and work
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with us. and they just have not been willing to do that. >> well, representative, all americans hope that both sides get together somehow. >> slightly. >> and get this one done. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> all right. as tensions grow between the united states and north korea, there's a newed travel ban that is set to go into effect next month. we've got details. comfortable you are in it. so find a venus smooth that contours to curves, flexes for comfort, and has a disposable made for you. skin smoothing venus razors.
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. we knew in the cities of north korea to have cameras every place. you can't walk across the street without being photographed and they're looking at that just trying to see what they can charge you with and what they can do to you. i would not recommend anybody go to north korea, not under any circumstances. >> as you saw a korean war veteran offering his insight into north korea, the country that americans are now forbidden to visit. the state department just imposing the travel ban citing the risk of arrest and long-term detention there. the announcement came a month after the death of 122-year-old
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otto warmbier. returned home in a coma. three americans remain in north korean prison at the moment and the reasons are unclear. about all said here, 1,000 u.s. citizens travel to north korea each and every year. they must enter the country through china and most travelers must go through a tour company approved by the government. for more on this new ban, joining me now by phone from beijing, simon cob ral, the general manager of tours one of the handful of companies that orgz turz to north korea from china. simon dau for sk here with us. what do you make of this new ban coming out of the state department? >> thanks for having me on. i think this new ban was signposted awhile ago. there's been a bill introduced that's been reported on recently. but i think the timing of the ban has just crept up on those of us in the industry, let's say. it's a little unexpected to happen so rapidly.
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but i think we'd seen it coming. >> why didn't expects like your own just stop bringing in americans into the country given the risk? >> well, we don't believe that there's necessarily a risk more for americans than for anyone else. and the most important thing is to prepare people for a visit there, to give thorough briefings, provide all the information, explain what all the laws, regulations and policies and so on and there are many, of course, in north korea. explain what they are. and simply stopping a certain nationality from goingible is overly paternalistic and also places a kind of own us on that nationality as somehow responsible which is not fair to americans. there's thousands of americans have been to north korea. >> yeah. and has that interest increased or decreased overtime, simon? >> over the last five years or so the market has been fairly flat, let's say, no increase or decrease, until recently there's
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been a decrease. prior to that americans actually had more limitations and restrictions placed on them from the north korean side rather than from the u.s. side, which this time around is. >> and who typically goes from the united states and what sorts of education and what sorts of protections do you normally give them? >> all manner of people go, actually. so basically worldly people, people who have traveled to lots of places. it's not the first place that you're going to go to when you think of a foreign holiday. so students, retired people, people with a fascination about asia, people interested in history and kaurlgt and so on. people willing to scratch the surface, which is all you can do anyway of north korea. >> right. >> the information and the education we give involves basically constant e-mailing back and forth, soliciting questions at all times, sending out information packs with the rules and policies. and we force -- we force, we require everybody we take in to attend a briefing in our office before the tour where we ram it
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home. we tell people exactly what you can and can't do. >> simon, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much. appreciate it. that wraps up this hour for us here at mississippi nbc. i'm ri67d lui. stay with us. you can catch me on social media here. joy read is next. "the new york times," re raised questions about robert mueller. does he endorse his legal team's efforts to undermine robert mueller's credibility? >> again, the president has absolutely nothing to do with any of the allegations that are being made. i think he's maintained that, and he wants them to complete their process as quickly as possible so that we can move on from the ridiculousness of all things russia and russia fever. >> this week donald trump told "the new york times" that special counsel robert mueller's investigation


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