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and thanks for being with us, i'm richard lui in new york city covering breaking news at this hour. the associated press now saying and reporting the death toll now stands at ten after police discovered a tractor trailer packed with more than 30 suspected migrants overnight. the cause of death extreme heat exposure. the 18 wheeler was discovered at a walmart parking lot in san
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antonio. authorities finding there the migrants crammed inside, the youngest just 15 years old. the driver was immediately detained in that. telemundo's veronica guyegos joining me now. what are you hearing from police and what they know so far? >> reporter: right now, police have not confirmed that there are ten fatalities, but we are working on getting that information for you, but i can tell you that here at the local walmart people are entering and exiting the store. out here on scene, i've been approached by people distraught about what has happened. what we know so far is eight people are dead and we're trying to confirm the other two and another 30 were transported to local hospitals after 38 undocumented immigrants were trapped inside of an 18-wheeler trailer. we know that a walmart employee was the one who alerted police after someone approached him asking for water.
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the cause of death is believed to be from heat exposure and asphyxiation. fire chief hood spoke about the signs of heat exposure that many of them presented. >> the air conditioning was not working, paramedics and firefighters found that each one of them had a heart rate over about 130 beats per minute, which, again, they were very hot to the touch, so these people in that trailer without any type of water, so you're looking at a lot of heatstroke, a lot of dehydration. >> reporter: two of the survivors are teens. we don't know where there were coming from or where they were going. out here on scene, i was able to speak to a woman from el salvador, she called me and told me she was very distraught, scared, and trying to find out if her loved one was inside that tractor trailer. i'm going to try to find out that information for you, try to get names for those people that are searching for their loved ones. reporting from the southwest
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side, nbc news. >> thank you so much, veronica. appreciate it. we'll, of course, keep our eyes on this developing story. congress is ready to vote next week on sanctions against russia and president trump is apparently no longer standing in its way. the white house did not want congress to be able to block mr. trump from easing or lifting the sanctions, but that was a nonstarter on kpoil hicapitol h there is enough support to block a trump veto as it stands today, but in the first test for the white house communications team rolled out after sean spicer's resignation, there appeared to be confusion. to clear that up for us, kelly at the white house for us. kelly, what happened there? >> this is one of the things where the simplest answers where anthony scaramucci, the white house communications director is not fully read in on this and the press secretary who has been working on these issues for a long time had a different view,
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and there were some changes coming from congress. this is a bipartisan move from the house, which had not yet passed sanctions. they expanded the package, made changes to it, it included sanctions on russia, north korea, and iran. it did limit the president's power to make some changes with respect to russian sanctions. that is politically potent in the city right now, and people in both parties on capitol hill did not want the president to be able to go too far in removing punishment for russia that the obama administration had put in after the interference in the 2016 election was confirmed by the past administration. so, there's been a change here, so the house is expected to vote tuesday, the senate then has to look at it, as well. expect that to pass. then it goes to the president's desk, and he's facing what would be politically a challenging decision. sign it, even though it goes against some of the things he previously opposed, or if you veto it, the numbers appear to be veto poroof, so congress coud override it, based on what we
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know right now. so the fallout in terms of how did this play out today. a differing take from sarah huckabee sanders and anthony scaramucci. they didn't seem to be quite on the same page. here's how they responded to the question of what the president would do regarding sanctions. >> well, the administration is supportive of being tough on russia, particularly in putting these sanctions in place. the original piece of legislation was poorly written, but we were able to work with the house and senate and the administration is happy with the ability to do that and make those changes that were necessary, and we support where the legislation is now. >> we got to ask president trump that. it's my second or third day on the job. my guess is, is that he's going to make that decision shortly. he hasn't made the decision yet to sign that bill one way or the other. >> so perhaps anthony scaramucci went beyond his two or three days on the job. he apparently was not fully briefed on where the
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administration is, or there's a differing opinion here. i did reach out to white house officials who say that in essence, both are right, and that's a very trump administration way of addressing this. clearly, you could hear from sarah huckabee sanders she was familiar with the issue and there were changes made and the trump administration is happy there are expanded sanctions against north korea, something they wanted, and they are willing to go along with this based on her comments. however, the white house also says kind of listening to what anthony scaramucci referred to, no final decision has been made, because additional changes to the bill could happen before it goes before the vote. so, a little hair splitting there, but it's one of those instances where you have someone new to a job, an important job at the white house, and every word matters, and if there's an apparent discrepancy, it will be noticed and report on and could cause some headaches for the white house. richard? >> getting his sea legs as they move forward at the white house.
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thank you so much. the investigation into russia, it brings jared kushner to capitol hill, as well, tomorrow. the president's son-in-law will speak behind closed doors with the senate intelligence committee, he'll meet with the house intel committee on tuesday, and at some point soon, donald trump jr. and former campaign chairman paul manafort must turn over documents and be interviewed by capitol hill staffers. with us now, foreign policy and strategy consultant molly mccoup, former adviser to president mccale, and also white house reporter for bloomberg news and washington post congressional reporter kelsey snell. let's move forward on the reporting that we hear from kelly o'donnell, this on the house and its move here to tighten the sanctions against russia. it includes north korea, as well as iran, at least in this latest rendition, and when we look at this, tolu, what does this mean from the white house's perspective? because we are having these
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split messages that kelly was helping us to understand. which way will it go for this president, will he sign it or will he veto it? >> that's the big question, richard, the white house is in a bit of a bind. they don't like most of this legislation, they've been pushing back against it because they believe it hamstrings the president, ties the president's hands, but when you look at the vote margins for the bill, this passed in the senate and has overwhelming support in the house, as well. the president does not want to veto a bill and have it overridden as one of his first legislative actions the first month of his presidency. so he's in a bit of a bind. seems the white house is willing to accept this legislation with some of the changes that have been made, but the president doesn't really have much of a choice. if he does veto it, it appears there are enough votes to basically override the president's veto and that's not something you want. it took president obama into his final years and months in office before he had his first veto overridden and you don't want that as a president, doesn't look good, especially when your
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legislative agenda is being held up. it does look like the president is going to be forced to sign this bill and in some ways even acknowledge what russia did in the election, because that's what this bill is about, punishing russia for its meddling during the 2016 election. >> that bind here, kelsey, that tolu is talking about, they are not absent -- they are not -- of course, they understand this is exactly where they are putting the president, again representing the same party. why do they make a move on this going against potentially what the white house wants? >> well, i think the important context here is congress has for a long time had very skeptical feelings about russia in general and at times has been outright aggressive towards putin. this is not a partisan issue in congress. skepticism of russia has run deep for many of these people, and i think we sometimes forget that in the context of the fact that russia has come up so much in this election. we haven't seen very many of the leaders, if any, say they have questions about russian meddling
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in this election and they want to stand firm on those beliefs and it may put them at a cross roads with the president, but would be difficult for many people to walk away from these beliefs. >> and part of this, if he does veto it here, molly, again, what it will intimate, he is sympathetic to russia and to the leaders of russia. and north korea and iran, but the focus is really on that. but donald trump being donald trump, he could still do whatever he wants. he could potentially veto it. >> that's exactly right, and i think there were some really interesting signals this morning, particularly in the scaramucci interview, you know, basically when he was asked about whether or not the president would think about vetoing this bill, he didn't quite finish the answer, but what he said was the president is a check and balance within the system, and basically responded to a question that all of our congressional leadership and all of our intelligence community agrees that russia is responsible for an attack on the united states of america by saying, yeah, but the president might disagree and it's his job
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to represent the american people by disagreeing. this is a high risk strategy for him, but so far it's one that in his mind has been successful. and i'm not necessarily sure that the white house is ready to pull back yet. i don't know that they will veto the bill. i think that there is this real pursuit of the policy of sort of pursuing russia, of looking for new means. you keep hearing this line from them, we don't want new sanctions legislation, it will restrain our hands and keep us from pursuing diplomatic engagements. that's all fine, but the problem is this is the reset, and what democrats learned, putting your hand on legislation coming out against russia, while the administration pursuing a policy of outreach to russia, usually leads something fairly bad for you, and congressional democrats have paid a fairly high price for obeying that policy. no one in the congress is looking forward to embracing a new reset, and i think that
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context the president really, really misunderstand by including iran and north korea in that bill so it's sort of a broader thing. >> i want to share with all three of you what the president just tweeted, and he says here, as a phony russian witch hunt continues, two groups are laughing at this excuse for a lost election taking hold. democrats and russians. i'm not sure that fully makes sense, but i'll go with you on this, this new tweet coming from president trump. again, as the phony russian witch hunt continues, two groups are laughing at this excuse for a lost election taking hold, democrats and russians. >> the president has been consistent in his message, as he believes the entire russian investigation is a witch hunt and an excuse for democrats losing the election, he's somewhat on an island with that belief, given the fact it's a republican congress pushing these investigations and republicans have been very adamant that russia did get
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involved in trying to meddle into the election, as well as president trump's own intelligence officers. they've also said the same thing, that russia is behind this, so president trump does seem to be reluctant to confirm that this is exactly what happened, russia meddled in the election and he's tweeted about it regularly, and even as the investigations have gotten closer to the oval office with his own family members involved, it's clear that president trump believes it's just a witch hunt. >> that's what he's looking at here, kelsey, as we were mentioning, family members are now going to the hill and he's saying, again, phony russian witch hunt. >> you know, there's something really important to pay attention to here and that is the way the president is separating himself from his own party and some things that are happening in congress. watching it happen all across the board. we saw it on health care even where he was referring to republicans doing something and not seeming to include himself in that messaging.
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there's an effort here, as it appears, to shift some of the blame or as much as the blame as possible for things going wrong to congress and away from the white house, and tweets like that, the entire posture of trying to feel out what will happen with congress and trying to make it seem as if, you know, whatever decision is made on sanctions falls not at his own feet may be a part of a broader strategy to make sure to inoculate the white house from blame. >> all right, thank you so much. i owe you one. thank you, kelsey snell also. they'll be back with us later. they say third time is the charm. after two delays, senate republicans take another try at repealing and replacing obamacare and next the chances of getting it passed and what happens when they do not. ♪
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it's been a busy weekend with issues related to congress now slamming down on sanctions against russia and again on health care moving forward and then we see this response in the last several minutes from the president, potentially eluding to these two major developments from the congress. he says, "it's very sad that republicans, even some that were carried over the line on my back, do very little to protect their president." that coming in the last five minutes. i want to bring in republican congressman of carolina. representative, you're very used to this being on the hill and seeing president trump react to certain issues as he feels and directly. what do you make of this tweet, and what do you think he's eluding to specifically? >> well, clearly, he's disappointed in the lack of response regarding replacing obamacare. it is collapsing around the country. major providers are pulling out. the premiums are skyrocketing. the deductibles are skyrocketing. we must address it. so we have those that are
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holding out. you know, i'm a ronald reagan type guy, conservative. ronald reagan said i'll take 50% of the loaf now and come back for it later. so those who insist on having it their way, that's not really finding a way to govern. >> are you saying that the president is looking at those republicans who are not going for repeal and replace, or is he going after republicans that are favoring just the replace, excuse me, the repeal, excuse me. >> richard, we made a promise to repeal and replace obamacare, and i think it's incumbent upon us to keep that promise. we owe that to the american people, and that's the responsible thing to do. you just can't govern and see life on your own sideline. there are people out there, you know, other representatives in their districts or states maybe totally different than yours. more urban and rural, more poverty, more seniors, so we have to recognize that and govern. >> so you would support then the current bill that the senate is
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considering, which as you know has been scored as losing over 20 million individuals in their insurance? >> well, let's keep in mind that cbo has not been good in terms of those protections. >> they actually have, if you look at the projections that came from obamacare, 6% from the uninsured. >> they estimated 18 million people would sign up in the exchanges and only 12 million signed up. they estimated -- >> overall the numbers were 30 and 28, 6% more or less. >> well, those are the real numbers i just gave you. >> so are mine. >> the cost in terms of medicaid is skyrocketed, costs much more than what cbo scored it as. >> they scored it overall, though, we won't go through that. you supported it then -- you do support the current bill, that's all we wanted to get to. i do want to get this other issue -- >> cbo did not use the 2017 numbers. that makes it even lower. so i think there are real
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numbers here that make a big difference. >> the other issue related to this tweet, might he really be eluding to what happened yesterday, and that is the move from congress saying we are going to go forward with the sanctions against russia, regardless of what the white house would like. we now have enough votes, basically, to reverse a veto. right before this tweet about very sad that republicans, dot, dot, dot, he also said as the phony russian witch hunt continues, dot, dot, dot. might he be thinking about what's happening about russia? >> well, he's commander in chief. he's trying to negotiate with vladimir putin. we don't have any pure relationships with, we work with a lot of countries that are very conflicted in terms of their policies. he wants to wage war against isis with russia. they have a problem there. they've got 20 million muslims inside their own country, and they have a reason to join with
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us, so i think he's looking and moving forward and what he can do in an arrangement with russia to combat this terrorism threat that we all have. >> do you support this bill, though, that we're talking about? >> yes, sir, i do support the bill. i think it's a prudent bill, something that we must do. >> north carolina congressman, spirited conversation with you today, thank you so much, representative robert pittinger. >> glad to do it. snanss handed to addicts as soon as they are arrested and it appears to be working. >> i think the tide is changing in our country. you can't lock away an addict. you have to give treatment. whoa!
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welcome back, i'm richard lui live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. here's some of the stories we're watching for you at the bottom of the hour here. breaking news in texas. a horrific case of migrant smuggling. moments ago immigration control enforcing the dead risen to ten after the a tractor trailer was found with dozens of migrants inside. police say 20 others, including two 15 year olds were found on board the truck parked at a san antonio walmart. the driver now in custody. white house senior adviser
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jared kushner will face questions from lawmakers monday and tuesday in a private session over a meeting with russians at trump tower last summer. chris froome of great britain clinching his fourth victory at tour de france by just 54 seconds. this is the third consecutive year froome has won this very difficult title. all right, president trump is headed back to ohio to rally blue collar workers that helped send him to the white house. trump will appear in youngstown on tuesday night for a campaign-style rally, his first visit back to the valley since campaigning at the canfield fair on labor day, vowing to bring jobs back to ohio. while 41,000 manufacturing jobs have been added since trump did take office, a number of american companies continuing to lay off workers. offshore jobs, or both there. carrier, for instance, laying off nearly 340 workers on thursday. another 290 will be let go by christmas. then there's harley-davidson
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announcing tuesday they will cut 180 production jobs. the motorcycle maker is also building a plant in thailand. and in ohio, some 150 workers at the 3m sponge factory face layoffs, despite a youtube video campaign to get trump to save their jobs. >> and the principal of one citizen, one vote, every time voter fraud occurs. seven years you've promised the american people. >> all right, the white house and republican lawmakers are expected to pivot from health care to tax return, as well, this summer, promising to roll out a plan that will grow the economy and create jobs and they are also aiming at manufacturing jobs there. let's bring in former deputy secretary of labor, now senior fellow at the university of georgia miller center. great to see you here. as we look at this push on manufacturing, the president also yesterday with an executive order focusing on manufacturing jobs. and as you have -- you're the guy that used to look at the
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numbers at the department of labor. how crucial are these numbers? they have been pretty good, right, for the last six or seven months, only one thing of decrease. reflect on that. >> well, the numbers aren't good, but it's not just about the numbers, it's about the president living up to his promise. he said during the campaign he would be the greatest job creator that god ever made. and when you look at whether it's the carrier deal or harley-davidson or boeing or ford, what we've seen are a series of tweets and public relations stunts and that hasn't been enough to keep jobs in this country. we need a serious comprehensive job creation strategy. we don't need anymore tweeting from the president, because that's not enough to keep jobs here in the united states. >> seems like he is still doubling down based on the executive order we're talking about, as well as the tweets you're eluding to, deputy secretary, but as manufacturing jobs, so goes america? >> well, yes, manufacturing jobs are a critical part of where our
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economy is, but it's not the only sector that we need to be focused on. we need to be focused on high skilled service jobs, financial jobs, retail has been a very important component, but as important as anything, it's the example that the president sets. we just finished made in america week, which is kind of laughable, since this is a president whose family makes their own products overseas, and this week brought in more foreign workers to help staff his property. >> and then, of course, as you look at the administration as they push out these themed weeks is how deep will they go, sunday shows are often a good indication who they trot out to speak about what their focus is. let's move now to tax reform. corporate tax reform specifically. do you believe based on what has been discussed by this administration that it will assist job growth and the pieces of data that you go through every month? will it help? >> absolutely. tax reform is necessary. but it needs to be done on a bipartisan basis.
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and what you've seen with the health care right now is when one party tries to ram through a policy, it's not good. and the problem republicans have right now is their disagreement within their own party as to what tax reform should look like. there's disagreement in the white house what the tax rate should be, disagreements between the white house and congressional republicans about issues like the border entrustment tax, also the broader issue about how you pay for tax reform. they've made a commitment this would be deficit neutral, but only because they are trying to pull money out of health care reform to basically pay for these tax cuts for the wealthy and that's one of the reasons they are so desperate to get health care done this week. >> so they can move on again to other policy issues. i want to elude to this, deputy secretary, the tweet that came from donald trump moments ago, said it's sad that republicans, even some carried over the line on my back do very little to protect their president. so you have a republican president at odds right now with a republican congress, and so
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tax reform, tax cuts, tax plans, any of this, corporate or personal, doesn't look like we're going to see much progress on this if they continue in the same vein they are in right now, and that hurts jobs across america. >> absolutely. we need to have bipartisan action on important strategies to create jobs. we know what one of them is, which is infrastructure. it creates construction jobs, manufacturing jobs, that help lead to high wage jobs. but what's important here with the president's tweet is that he's mad at his republican colleagues. they are doing their jobs. they are thinking about what the policy should be and what was clear from "the new york times" article this week, the president doesn't even really understand what some of his policies are. it's very clear he doesn't understand how health care really works, so i applaud republicans for trying to say, hey, what are the impacts of repealing obamacare, what's it mean when we cut $800 billion from medicaid. what's it mean to have 22
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million people uninsured. >> thank you so much, former deputy secretary of labor, chris lou, on jobs and manufacturing jobs specifically, as well. appreciate it. >> thank you. the naacp responding after the president turns them down twice. next we'll talk with the organization about the disconnect between the white house and minority communities. and in our next hour, thomas roberts will be here with more on jared kushner's big interview with the senate intelligence panel and call by some democrats to have his security clearance revoked. ♪
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today are questioning the sincerity of that message after president trump turned down an invitation to speak at the civil rights groups convention in baltimore. they released a statement, what do you have to lose? the president's decision today underscores the harsh fact that we have lost the will of the current administration to listen to issues facing the black community. white house press secretary sarah huckabee offered this explanation. take a listen. >> my understanding is that the invitation has been declined for this year, but certainly the invitation for dialogue with that group would happily take place and we would certainly like to be able to continue to do that. >> this is the second invitation from the naacp the president has rejected. for now, more on this, i bring in hillary shelton, naacp senior vice president for policy and
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advocacy. hillary, thanks for joining us right now, and what do you make right now of the president? you heard there from sarah huckabee sanders there in her explanation as to why. do you accept that? >> well, it's truly unfortunate. we can only accept it because it's the only thing that's been offered, but sadly, this is the second time we've invited the president to come spend time with us. first as a candidate for president last summer as we were meeting in cincinnati, ohio, he was at the national convention in cleveland. certainly would have been great to use the helicopter sitting outside the convention hall and come over and spend some time with us. we've been saying to him then, if you've needed a different time, our convention lasts four days. we will make adjustments in our schedule to make sure we can hear from those who want to be president, who want to lead our country, and what you'll do to address issues important to our communities and the communities the naacp serves, so it's sad to us. naacp will bring together 10,000 people a day for the entire time
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we're here in baltimore. during that time our delegates from all over the country and military bases from across the world will come together to talk about the challenges in their communities, recommending how we can address those, hearing from people all over the country. if you are in charge of a country like this, would you not want to hear from those within those communities talking about the challenges they face if you're trying to solve those problems? >> as you look at this, hillary, we're playing some of the sound from the candidate at that time, candidate donald trump, who was reaching out to the african-american electorate, and when you listen to that and you see what's happening today, do you believe that the african-american community, which supported him in some spaces in terms of averages owed, but more than before, and they also stayed at home when it came to the democratic candidate hillary clinton, do you believe his overtures and his ask and his promises, if you will, are not fulfilled now, because he is not meeting with the naacp? >> well, not just the naacp, but
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other members of our community. keep in mind if we're looking at proposals before the united states congress right now, proposals that he supports, like, for instance, health care as an example, we know that over the last eight years we're able to build something called the affordable care act. that added over 24 million americans to the health care roles, 30% of those african-americans. if you're saying you actually want to repeal the affordable care act, that means that those african-americans that are now covered that weren't covered before will not be covered again. that doesn't make sense and that's why you need to talk to people in those communities if what you're serious about is policies to help make our nation better. >> what will you do next? speaking of the member of the cbc, congressional black caucus pac yesterday, and the commentary was also the same unagreement to meet with the president as it stands right now. is there something that you can do more as a broader minority community, potentially the
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tri-caucus coming alongside you to meet with this president? >> well, hoping meeting with the president is part of it, and, yes, the answer is we should meet with him. he should want to meet with us. he should want to come out and sit down. he should want to come and see how things are in the communities we serve. he should want to see those things firsthand. if you're going to craft solutions, you've got to know what the problem is. the bottom line issue is, i believe that's what the cbc is concerned about. we're not interested in a photo op, we're interested in real policies and programs to improve our nation and make things better for all americans, even racial and ethnic minorities. >> naacp senior vice president hilary shelton. thanks for stopping by. >> it's my pleasure. thanks for having me. >> all right. the ugly truth and the white house. >> when i looked at the numbers that happened to come in from all of the various sources, we had the biggest audience in the history of inaugural speeches. >> well, next, the communication
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welcome back. we are six months into donald trump's presidency, and as the administration attempts to play up their achievements, others are working to keep them honest along the way. "the new york times" opinion section published what they refer to as, quote, trump lies. they compiled data from politifact and the president told 61 lie, roughly ten lies for each month that he's been a president, been president, rather, like this one. >> we've signed more bills, and i'm talking about through the legislature, than any president ever. >> well, that wasn't true.
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the white house, for its part acknowledges there is a communications problem, though. >> we have a story that we want to tell. it's a phenomenal story for the american people. there's a policy agenda in place they think is phenomenal for the american people. if you look at the last six months i think there's been some distortion in terms of how successful we've actually been. >> joining me now, bloomberg white house reporter tolu orunipa. tola, as we look at this, we're talking about four or five journalistic organizations keeping tabs on the president of the united states and these are not necessarily -- this is not a word that is commonly used in this space, lies and 61 found here, tolu, what does this mean for the confidence of this presidency, the confidence in government? >> i -- i think it does mean that the president has lost some credibility when it comes to
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being able to make statements from the oval office and have the confidence of the american people both reporters and the public have to sometimes go back and check the facts when they hear the president say something because we've seen time and time again that the president speaks off-the-cuff and using some of the terms from his book in "the art of the deal" he likes to engage in truthful hyperbole, either exaggerating the size of the victory or exaggerating things that he's been able to accomplish as president in order to make them seem grander and greater than they actually are. the public has lost confidence in the credibility of the president knowing they have to check the facts and look back after them as the journalistic entities are doing, trying to keep the president honest. it's a new age in the american presidency where the public can't necessarily have complete confidence in what the president is saying because the president likes to sort of choose and cherry pick his facts and sometimes exaggerate some of the things that he's saying. >> and i'll throw the log on the
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fire. the washington post did their fact check along with the calculations of the new york times. the post finding 836 false or misleading claims. that's an average of 4.6 claims a day that were misleading. as this white house does do this, kelsey, congress, sitting across the way, how have they dealt with it in the beginning and not necessarily calling him out on it or reacting to it, but it may appear they're taking steps away now. >> i've had some conversations with a couple of top-ranking republicans in the senate, particularly who tell me that the relationship between congress and the white house is a little bit about trust. it's a little bit about fear and it's about upknowing that you'r in it together, that is the president and the same party in congress, and the thing that seems to be missing here is the trust and the sense that they are on the same page as the white house. we've seen this happen over and over and over again where congress will say they're moving in one direction.
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the white house will appear to be with them and then they'll shift and we saw that particularly most recently on health care. we saw it last week when the president seemed to switch positions three times on what he wanted to see from congress. so, yeah, it makes it really difficult to get to a point where you're passing a legislative agenda that is in line with both congress and the white house, and it's also really hard to underestimate how very much congress wants to get things done. they would love to be working with this president. the republicans told me going into this year that this was the dream they've been waiting for for years, a chance to have the president sign the legislation they want them to pass and so far we haven't seen much of that beyond some regulations and of course, the nomination and selection of neil gorsuch which is a big deal. >> as you talk about policy and the ability to get through bills here, toluse, not successful and also the counting of these lies is potentially a folly because his base, they're still with him
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when we look at the latest polling. they are still with president trump. >> exactly right. president trump's base has proven to be very strong, devoted and dedicated throughout the campaign and even through the presidency. they've not left him yet and the rank and file with the republican party for the most part are sticking with the president. they see this as an opportunity for the first time in ten years that weave had a republican presidency along with a republican congress and they're hoping they'll be able to move forward with an agenda that they can pass, but when you look at the overall approval rating for this president, it's clear that he has lost some of the confidence of the american people because his approval ratings are lower than 40% overall. >> so teflon trump, and as we look at donald trump internationally although there are many who do wanot enjoy thi particular president, some of the commentators are saying that some of what trump said there in terms of what he did in conversation did rub off on that in terms of what is happening
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right now in poland. with that said, guess what, kelsey? i've used up all my time because i keep going on. >> tolu, thank you, as well. >> thanks. >> that does it for us this hour on msnbc. i'm richard lui. my colleague thomas roberts is up next. have a great night. ♪ only tylenol® rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release medicine fast, for fast pain relief. tylenol®
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