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9th meeting. corey lewandowski. the new agreement about sanctions against russia and whether the president will support it. plus, what it means if he will not. we have our team set up and ready to go. kicking off this monday with a bang. chris jansing at the white house along with kasie hunt on the hill, as well. chris, i want to start with you, the messaging push has been intense. surrogates all over cable includi including, the early release of the statement we expect to give to members of the senate intelligence committee. walk us through how the messa messaging push is happening behind jared kushner. >> 11 pages long that statement. remember when there was criticism. reports that jared kushner was very unhappy with the way the white house was doing its messaging after it all came out about this donald trump jr. meeting. so, you use the five words that i think describe what all of this is about from jared
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kushner's perspective. he wants to get the message out there. i have nothing to hide. he's going to say, i did not collude. i don't know of anybody else in the campaign that colluded and i haven't relied on any russian funds in any of my businesses. he will talk about four times he met with russians during the course of the campaign or the transition. a lot about two of those meetings. the first one in april of 2016 when he first met the russian ambassador, kislyak at an event when the then candidate trump was speaking about foreign affairs. he said this was such a brief exchange of pleasantries that he had with many representatives of foreign governments that later he couldn't remember the russian ambassador's name. he had to ask someone who he was. but then that critical meeting, june 2016 with donald trump jr. and what he came, he says to know, was the russian lawyer. he is going to try to argue that, again.
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we heard this from donald trump jr. in the heat of the campaign, you know, with things moving at a million miles a day. he really never necessarily read all his e-mails. hae didn't read the subject line and some hard pushback from democrats who are going to say, hey, are we supposed to believe when you have a subject line confidential you didn't notice that? already in the 11-page statement some of the pushback he realized it wasn't anything very important. he e-mailed his assistant and said, hey, call me. i need an out on this meeting. but, bottom line here is, he is going to be pushing back hard and we've seen in the president's tweets he has been pushing back hard calling this the phony russian witch-hunt and we're waiting to see if someone gets at the podium behind me whether they will brief. >> chris jansing keeping an eye on all of it from the white
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house. thank you very much. i want to go to garrett on capitol hill. huge spotlight on jared kushner. you know what it is like, the hallway is crushed. potentially a bigger day tomorrow because we're getting new information on the fact that the house intelligence committee the lawmakers themselves who may end up being the ones asking kushner the questions, not just the staff. so, give us a sense of the next 24 hours on the hill and whether you heard from any lawmakers yet? it's a slow morning at least from the member perspective. >> a couple difference in the choreography and make a big difference about what gets said in those rooms. today at the senate intelligence committee meeting. kushner is talking to staff members. none of the senators are expected to be here. while we have this enormous sort of set up here getting ready for anyone to brief us afterwards not the members and highly unlikely that jared kushner will come out here after 90 minutes or two hours or however long he spends in there.
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tomorrow's meeting will be members who are doing the questioning. now, the staffs are very professional. a lot of attorneys. these folks know what they're doing with the members themselves asking the questions, it's possible you'll see a little bit more politically inflected questions there. some might argue get more heat than light out of that. what we will get afterwards, almost certainly, the lawmakers involved in the questioning. at least giving some of their answers on the back end. here, what we know about what happens in that room will be almost certainly driven by jared kushner, himself, and what, if anything, he may choose to say about it. >> garrett can you show that shot of everyone waiting for jared kushner to come out. >> sure thing. >> a crush of people here. and you have not seen any lawmakers this morning yet, any members. i know they're not expected back. senate is not expected in session until later in the afternoon. >> that's right. the senate is back in session around 4:00 tonight. you see the folks from the local area drift in earlier in the day
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and the folks coming by towards their offices or anything like that so far, hallie, unfortunately. >> we will check back in with you i'm sure teeing up for a very busy week on the hill. >> here with me on set robert driskal and folks hanging out with me for the house kelsey snell and eliana johnson. thank you for joining us. bob, i want to start with you. you have helped people get ready for this kind of thing before. tell us, first of all, how kushner would have prepared and what do you think is happening at this moment right now. take us inside the room. >> first of all, preparing. the problem for the lawyer, you can never get enough of your client's time. what you want to do is go through the dry details of a timeline and none of it is very exciting and shethow them every document you think the committee might have. it would take, you would like to have a full day. getting somebody or maybe two days even. but getting someone who is as senior as jared kushner to focus is very tough.
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usually the press gets prepped until the last minute and prep sessions over the weekend and he's got experience counsel and can guide him through it. and we'll be, you know, doing mock questioning with him. >> they might have done some mock questioning. he's sitting there facing the panel, at least staff members, right? >> well, frankly, looks a lot like a deposition probably. won't be any members there. just be staff. the benefit, of course, it's private and you won't get bad sound bites on tv from political level. the negative is you have staff who can formulate questions more skillfully than a lot of the united states senators. >> ouch. >> zing. >> if you're -- but if you're defending them, they can probably dig in and ask better follow-ups. lots of times in public hearings it's about the statement and not the question.
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but in this context, probably a little more direct. >> this interview is not under oath. we know it. it almost doesn't matter because if he lies, that's a huge -- >> it's still, it's same with the justice department. you can do an interview with the justice department under oath. if you lie, you still have problems. so, the fact that he's not under oath is probably pretty insignificant. >> i want to bring you in here. i think there are three key points that we're looking at from what we know from the early statement jared kushner brought up. he details these four meetings. four meetings with russians during the campaign and number two on this e-mail chain. he said he never read it about the june 9th meeting and in that meeting sent an e-mail to his assistant doing the basically bad daete thing. call my cell. number three is really, really important. that is this. he insists he never asked for any kind of secret back channel communication during the transistran transition with the russian
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embassy at. but the same time he asked about any existing communications channel while president obama was in office. eliana, i'll start with you. does that also seem to you like something that stands out here in this moment or what does from what we expect to hear from kushner today? >> that, to me, the back channel communications was by far the most damming kushner-related allegation going into this meeting. and i think the thing that senate staffers are going to be most interested in figuring out. did he seek to establish one? what were the details surrounding it and what exactly happened there? i think his participation in this meeting with trump jr. is less interest and it's far easier to believe that he wandered into it. that he didn't read the e-mail. and he's going to have a lot more explaining to do about the back channel communications. that's very concerning. >> kelsey, he papts thints this picture of essentially being
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overwhelmed. he was moving. he had a lot on his plate and winding down his business and a ton going on. one of the top advisors to the president in the west wing. is that old water? >> that's the hard thing to hear here. people are not going to be comfortable hearing that, i just didn't know. that's not an affirmative defense. you need to be able to say i wasn't specifically seeking this information and he's not even attempting to do that. the question here is, are republicans going to press on that or are they going to accept that as an answer? i know democrats are not going to. let's watch to see how this is framed from republicans leaving the session tomorrow and coming out and talking to reporters. >> what about you, bob, i'm sloppy and i didn't know. >> most questioners and investigators are skeptical about that line of defense because it's common in every white collar situation. every executive you ever defend use the defense, i'm really busy. don't you know how many e-mails i get a day, i wasn't aware of this and an intent-base defense.
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not that it's not correct, it may be. investigators will always be skeptical of that type of argument. >> he also paints these russian meetings as meaningless. these four interactions and somebody who has worked on these investigations. if somebody came to you when you were in the justice department and it didn't matter. sure, i met with these guys but it was insignificant. is that okay? >> in this kind of case, it's classic washington case. the substance of the meetings, there may have been nothing illegal or legal question about it. so, what ends up happening is people end up denying conduct that's not illegal and getting themselves on trouble on that front. you look pack as far as alberto gonzalez and the u.s. attorney firi firings. but it was explaining what was essentially a legal act that got that whole thing screwed up and caused the "scandal." i think you see something similar here and the meeting with the russians is not a
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problem, per se. but if you still don't get your story straight, you are going to have problems. >> this happening on the hill and also this russia-related sanctions bill that is happening, as well. garrett, i'll talk about the other topic which the house taking up this week the sanctions bill and it's kind of been held up. this is significant movement potentially that we could see in the next 48 hours. >> yeah, that's right, hallie. the house has managed to package together a bunch of things that are in a bipartisan way and difficult for the white house to oppose. the senate passed a few weeks ago and stalled in the house and now they've attached sanctions against north korea. i'm told by my sources that this bill could be voted on as early as tuesday and what makes it so interesting the sanctions on russia while expanded in a minor way they handcuffed the president and saying he can't roll these back on his own.
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it has to be something that is approved by congress. that's something the president said he wasn't going to do. it sort of limits the president's ability to negotiate unilaterally. but on the sunday shows this weekend, they sort of indicated that they're not going to veto it in part because all these other things that they liked like iran and north korean sanctions. >> will the white house back this bill. there is suspenseful indications. what is your sense? >> i guess my question at this point is does the white house need to give themselves some cover here? is that part of their messaging. trying to set emtthemselves up have a veto-proof majority on this. >> signal so far that the president will sign. >> i think congress putting trump in a very difficult position if he were to veto this bill. they're backing him up against this bill. >> we're a fraction through the
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so, right now jared kushner is meeting with investigators on the senate intelligence committee and you can bet that june campaign meeting with that
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russian lawyer is on the list of questions for kushner. so, i talked today with the perp w perpson who is running the trump campaign corey lewandowski about that and so much more. appreciate you being here. >> great to be here. thank you. >> let's start off with the big news of the day and frankly this hour. jared kushner on capitol hill being interviewed by staffers on the senate intelligence committee. we know donald trump jr. and paul manafort questioned down the road. are you confident we will not see any more interactions with members or reps of the russian government from members of the trump campaign? >> you know, hallie, i can't speak to that. i don't know what paul manafort did or didn't do or other individuals. but what i can tell you with the utmost certainty is this. jared kushner has been completely transparent. he has provided information, which he was not required to provide.
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he has filled out his sf-86 form and all his contacts over 100 different contacts with foreign leaders were informed on that document. and, moreover, right, he has volunteered to cooperate in any investigation to prove beyond any doubt whatsoever no coordination, collaboration or cooperation between the trump campaign and anyone involved with russia. >> he's talking about that in this statement that we know he is going to be giving to members of congress and basically using this as an excuse. he was essentially overwhelmed and didn't know better in some of these instances. does that excuse hold water? is that good enough? >> when he was asked to attend a meeting and particularly a meeting that was call under to question here from his brother-in-law. meeting between jared kushner and donald trump jr. no indication of what that meeting was about. he didn't read the full e-mail chain. he was added to it later in the chain. he attended, he attended for about ten minutes and then texted his assistant and said,
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this is a waste of my time. get me out of here. give me a quick call. this is not useful to me and he left the meeting. >> i'm talking more broadly. when you look at his security clearance forms. those were submitted prematurely and a lot going on at the time talking about moving to the washington and putting his business in other hands. he had too much on his plate is essentially what he's saying. i'm asking you, is that a good enough excuse. is that what we should expecta o adviser to the president in the west wing? >> when you look at the individuals that submit that, they have been allowed to make edits and modifications as they're going through the process. as you know, an interim process where you're granted the ability to have access to classified information. upon further clearance that all the information has been disclosed. even on that sf-86 form, it was not complete -- it did not even include the president's address at the time. his home address, which
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everybody knows that everybody knows what that is, but it wasn't even on the form. he went back. he corrected it. he listed 100 different individuals from 15 different countries who he had contact with, which is the right thing to do and he did so voluntarily. >> a couple topics to hit on and are you going in front of members of the congressional committee to speak to them about your campaign experience? >> none of the members of the committee have asked me to do so. >> you haven't been reached out by house intel and senate intel as of yet? if they do reach out -- >> look, i have nothing to hide, right? i have been very clear about this and people accused me of having anything to hide. if i was asked, of course, i would cooperate to the fullest extent of my ability, of course. >> the president has the complete power to pardon. is the president planning to use his preemptive power, do you think? >> i have not had a conversation with the president or any member
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of his team regarding his pardon. the constushz gives him this privilege if he considers to pardon somebody, it is his prerogative. maybe we should pard on the fake news for all the lies, but other than that, nothing to pardon anybody from. >> i'm not going to get am to the fake news discussion but the sanctions bill coming up this week in the house. should the president back that? some conflicting signals whether or not the white house will support that? any concerns if the president doesn't support this bill, he could look like he's essentially doing the bidding of moscow? >> i have not spoken to anyone in the administration about the president's support or opposition to the legislation. that is something that will be left to the legislative policy team of mark short and rick dearborn and the president to determine if it's a piece of legislation he wants to support. let's be clear, the president agenda's has been one, america's first. that means against everybody else. he's going to put america first and if it is the best interest of the united states, that he
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will do what is in the best interest of the united states. >> one policy topic is health care with a lot going on this week, obviously, on the hill regarding that. what is your role with dave bossy there. you are getting out there and asking lawmakers to come onboard. what are you up to? >> what i want to do and very adamant about this, i want to support the president's agenda from the outside. i may or dave may have a relationship with someone on capitol hill so we can get that agenda done, then we'll try to exercise that. it is the right thing. >> little unusual for outside advisors to go to lawmakers here. did someone ask you to do this? >> people don't need to ask me. what they know is that i'm a steadfast supporter and if there's an individual that maybe i or dave has a personal relationship with over the years and a stumbling block to get his agenda done and we can talk and help bridge that compromise, great. he is the greatest closer. i think if john mccain and god
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wish him well and his health issues. if he can come back to the u.s. senate this week y think the president is going to put together those 50 votes and the repeal vote done and we're going to see repeal of obamacare done, which is something the president has pledged to do. >> before i let you go, corey, you have been following the developments on the staff shakeup over the last 72 hours or so. is reince priebus in trouble? >> look, reince priebus works directly for the president of the united states and the president's prerogative to determine how long reince priebus works for. what the president has said very clearly that he wants to make sure the leaks that are taking place in his white house are eradicated. i think anthony scaramucci is going to come in and help to get that done and put the president's agenda forward. and if the president doesn't see the success that he wants, then he will continue to make changes. but that's a decision only the president can make. >> so, yes or no then. do you think the chief of staff is in trouble? >> i don't know.
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i think he has done a difficult job and he will be there as long as the president wants him to be there and that's the answer. the. >> corey lewandowski, thank you very much for being with us there from chicago. appreciate it. >> thank you. and you heard me talking a little bit about health care there with corey lewandowski with the president pushing in a speech later on this afternoon. we have learned more about what we expect to hear from the president and the big question still out there. what is the vote even on? folks on the hill don't know for sure. we're talking about that coming up after the break. it's ok that everybody ignores me when i drive. it's fine. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i'm accident free. because i don't use my cellphone when i'm driving.
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we are back now with a look at your morning's headlines. a man from florida is facing a federal judge in texas right now after ten people died and 30 others still being treated at hospitals. and what police are describing is a horrific case of human smuggling. the undocumented immigrants were found packed in the back of an incredibly hot 18-wheeler with no air conditioning. they were severely dehydrated and even hot to the touch. and in afghanistan, 24 people have been killed after a suicide bomber crashed into a bus in kabul. you can see some of the smoke
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there. the bombing is just the latest in a taliban campaign that killed more than 1,700 people in afghanistan just this year. and look at your screens right now. check out this dramatic video from arizona. what are you looking at? these are rescuers trying to save 17 hikers who got stranded from flash flooding. you can see the chopper pulling these folks up one by one. they managed to get eight of the hikers out of there, including a 4-year-old boy. police say that nine other hikers, the rest of the group, basically, they're stable now and on safe grounds and rescue teams are expected to get to them by foot and walk out with them by tomorrow. this afternoon here in washington we are watching for president trump to give that statement on health care. happening today a white house spokesperson telling nbc news the president will push for a vote and rea peal and replace and push to make it clear that inaction is not an option. senate republican leadership is looking for a vote early this week on something. but we still don't know which bill mitch mcconnell will bring
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to the floor. you know who may know, kasie hunt on the hill for us. any answers or am i putting you in a bad spot here. forcing you an answer that senators don't even know for sure. >> hallie, right now influx with this. we know the leader said earlier this week for a vote there's nothing in the reporting i've done this morning that suggests that that plan has been altered in any significant way at this point. just to clarify and he'll speak typically early in the week, mid-week means wednesday and and if i think if you were to see a vote tomorrow, i wouldn't necessarily be surprised. but, again, we don't know exactly yet what is on the schedu schedule. now, what we do know is that leadership is pressing their rank and file members to vote to allow debate on health care in some form. that, of course, is with this procedural motion is all about. take a look at how john thune put it over the weekend on one
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of the sunday shows. >> whether which camp you're in you can't have a debate about either unless we get on the bill. we need a yes vote. that's the only way to change the status quo. >> so, remember, if they are able to pass this, that will open debate and that is when you get into the variety of different options, potentially amendmentments and things that go up and down on the floor. there is a potential problem because provisions around planned parenthood that may not pass the test for a reconciliation bill. the bill that republicans are using to debate this. it will only need the 50 senators to get this through. so, there may be some adjustments in that regard. in short, still a lot up in the air. because even if you do get debates started, there are these questions. is it included or is it not? we don't have answers to that at this point. we are, obviously, waiting to find out. >> nbc kasie hunt live on the
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capitol hill. good luck today. guys, health care. let's dive into it here. this is your main beat. this is the thing you cover every single day. what is your sense? we'll start quickly and broadly with you about what this vote is going to be this week. you heard kasie's reporting. >> they are going to vote to get on the bill. the vote being the house pass bill. change what the whole bill is. we don't know what that second vote would be and a lot of republicans don't want to go in there and to vote to start debate on something when they don't know where it is going. >> whether it is going to happen. we know the president will push for that. you have a new piece out talking about how frustrated people are in the party about this whole thing. >> the republicans are in a really difficult position. in one sense, you know, it's been a decade since republicans have been so politically powerful or as politically powerful as they are now on the federal, local and state level. yet, they've never looked so
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weak. they are just unable to capitalize on this political power and to enact the campaign provinces or move forward on the campaign promise of revealing obamacare that they campaigned on for the past seven years. conservatives, republicans, trump supporters. if they cannot move forward on this, it will hinder the trump administration's entire domestic agenda. this is a huge moment for the administration and for republicans in congress. we hear a lot about the dysfunction in the trump white house. but i think we're seeing in the senate that congress has plenty of its own dysfunction and the ability to administer self-inflicted blows in the same way as the white house. >> you're nodding, kelsey. >> this is a huge deal. i've been told on the one hand that you can't overestimate how scared people are of the conservative attacks that are coming. we saw all these big ad buys -- >> saying you're a traitor if you don't do this.
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they're ad buys and scared of their own voters. they don't know where to go. >> who are the dominos, plural. you see the president going to west virginia. a key vote there. the vice president putting some pressure on rob portman in ohio over the weekend. get those two onboard and it's a confusing -- >> it doesn't matter, though. senator mccain is probably not going to be there this week. which means that brings them down to being able to lose just one person. and the vice president can only come in and break a tie. he can't come in and put them over the edge. >> right. >> if they lose one person, i mean, they're done. >> i want to bring up this tweet, eliana, the one people looked at and went, huh. if they don't repeal and replace the obamacare, the repercussions will be far greater. a threat or warning thougshot t
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own party. are we going to see more of that from the president? we've seen it a little bit in this administration so far. is he going to fire another warning shot to them? >> you're starting to see right now the white house and the president who have not been tremendously involved in the senate promise lurch into action. and if there's one thing the president likes and his involvement in this bill is really, he likes the ceremony, the signing. i mean, i joked with people. if congress put a bill on the president's desk to expand obamacare, he would sign that. he wants a bill on his desk. he's lurching -- >> i don't know that. if i had to fact check on that one, i'm not sure. >> he's lurching into action and putting pressure on republicans and our reporting suggests that the white house is ready to go after. we saw him do that and back off and it looks like they are ready to go after defectors. >> crucial for republican prospects and whatever happened to democrats, as well. after the break, we're breaking down the democrats economic agenda. they're calling it the better
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it in an op-ed post in "washington post" calling for a better deal. expect to hear those three words quite a bit over the next 12 hours or so. breaking it down mark murray and kelsey and and eliara is back with me on set. he's talking about a better deal actually meaning. listen. >> it has three components we'll raise people's wages and create better jobs. we're going to cut down on their everyday expenses they have to pay and we'll give them the tools they need to compete in the 21st century. >> so, more money, fewer expenses and how do these go from talk into action? >> this will give democratic candidates tools to really campaign and what the party says will be a unified economic agenda. when you actually chat with democratic aides who are putting together this proposal and this kind of outlook, they say, hey, voters know that we end up
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resisting and can go against president trump. what they don't know is what we stand for. this is able to put some meat to the bones. there are three policies that democrats are going to be unveiling today. the first is talking about lowering prescription drug prices partly by using medicare and its negotiating power to negotiate for lower prescription drug prices. a second policy that they're going to be outlaying today is really preventing a lot of corporate mergers that could end up helping consumers. and then a think plank is actually giving more job skills to workers by giving a tax credit to businesses to help pay for a lot of this skills' training. so, those are the three policies that we'll see democrats today. you're likely to hear, though, from republicans say, hey, can democrats really promise a better deal in these new things with the same leaders like nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. >> eliana with that poll haunting democrats, makes you think of it here, with 37% of people saying the democrats
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actually stand for something rather than just oppose donald trump. are people going to see those as a sincere effort to try to get to a message out there. >> that remains to be determined. we have to see democratic candidates translate this and turn it into action on the campaign trail. a debate among democrats the extent to which they continue to campaign on the #resistance platform. and the extent to which they want to stand for something, a bit more substantive and positive like this. i also think having an economic agenda reflects their regrets about the 2016 campaign. we heard a lot about the fact that hillary clinton didn't have really a substantive economic platform and their views that if she had, she would have performed far better. but i think we've got taso see what democratic candidates do with this on the campaign trail. >> it's hard for democrats to stay on this message. they don't have a great message
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of message unity and a tough time to roll out something like this when they're still trying to figure out how big their tent is. >> you can't have message without party unit. >> it's hard if you don't have a party leader who, they don't have president obama out there any more being that person who says i am what democrats are about. >> to that point, mark, you're seeing this plan getting a little bit of criticism from inside the house, from inside the democratic party even. why aren't they rallying around something to unify them? >> the better deal kind of slogan slogan and they end up getting some criticism from liberals and conservatives on twitter. >> you think the issue is more with the name than the actual policy? >> so far. we'll see when they talk about the policy and what comes down from now. 16 months to go before the midterms and so much determined on the candidates. also president trump's job standing, as well as do they get health care through in the next week? so many kind of pieces of the midterm puzzle will be sorted out over the next few months and
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i'm not sure an economic message of the day becomes the end all, be all and democrats want a unified message where all their candidates can run under an umbrella. that is the better frame to look at today's messaging. >> is there a sense, i was out last week in the field talking with voters around the country and some of our trump counties that we polled here at nbc news along with "wall street journal." people liked president trump's campaign message. that's one thing you over and over again. not about russia or health care but what he's doing for the economy. >> i think it's hard to get into that conversation with democrats. all they're doing legislatively right now is pushing back on health care. that resistance i get. they're not able to proactively offer things until republicans get off of health care. if this message is something they care about, they're just kind of stuck. >> i also think you can't
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overestimate how much of trump's message was his persona and personality. if you put his words in a ted cruz's mark or marco rubio's mouth, it wouldn't have done the same thing. i think an enormous amount of the effectiveness of this message is going to depend on who those democratic candidates are on the campaign trail and the extent to which their persona resonates, you know, jives with this message. >> mark murray there in our washington bureau. mark, much appreciated. we'll talk more about our top story and check back in with jared kushner's interview over with the senate intel committee over on the hill and also looking ahead to when we could see donald trump jr. and paul manafort there, too. that's next. no, please, please, oh! ♪ (shrieks in terror) (heavy breathing and snorting) no, no. the running of the bulldogs? surprising. what's not surprising?
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as a micro-biologist i ensure that dog chow leads with high quality ingredients. so, remember, right now jared kushner over on capitol hill is behind closed doors talking with staffers on the senate intelligence committee. as this is all happening, the president is online. he's on twitter writing, "so why aren't the committees and investigators and, of course, our beleaguered ag looking into crooked hillary's crimes and russia relations? let us be clear here if the ag is beleaguered it is mostly because the president is doing the beleaguering and that is the president calling on his own justice department to
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investigate a former political opponent. joining me is kathleen clark specializing in legal ethics. kathleen, initial reactions to that tweet, rhetoric and langua we're hearing from the president. >> it sure likes the president is attempting to undermine justice department, attorney general in an attempt to protect himself and associates. >> would you encourage continued tweets of this nature? i would think not. >> i wouldn't, but i don't think the president takes advice from the likes of me or the likes of anyone. >> what's hpg on capitol hill. we're talking about that statement from jared kushner, 11 pages previewing what he's expected to tell senate intelligence committee and likely the house tomorrow. pointed out earlier they thought that back channel discussion, denial of back channel communications, the denial he did ask for some sort of comes channel seemed to stand out the
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most. >> i'm impressed with that, impressed as in -- >> area of vulnerability. >> the justice department's order it with mr. mueller gives contact with contacts with the campaign, that's broad in scope. i believe that will be something mueller will be very interested in as well. >> when we talk about what's happening not with the special counsel investigations but russia investigation we know at some point donald trump jr. and paul manafort will be doing an interview. no word yet but trying to figure out when that will happen. how significant will that be, guys? >> i think the manafort interview is really where the sparks are going to fly. >> cory lewandowski basically threw him under the bus.
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>> throwing everybody under the bus. yeah, manafort -- >> the president is throwing his own people under the bus. >> it's so unpredictable at this point, i feel like we wake up every morning wondering who is going to be on the bottom here an all sessions stuff over the weekend was really confusing and gave people predict ability. >> coming out from president trump caulking about adam schiff, calling him sleazy schiff, the ranking member on the house side of the responding in a tweet saying, hey, get off tv. the problem is how often you watch tv and that your comments and actions are beneath the dignity of the office. for either of these men, does it behoove them? this twitter war? >> this is just like i can't
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believe we're talking about this on tv? it's absurd. the president is sending tweets like this, members of congress responding in tweets. the whole thing is absurd. >> it's a moment in time. this is what's happening. the president has a health care speech later tonight but sending tweets about this. >> what the president is demonstrating he's more interested in taking action on a personal level than as president of the united states. it's as though he hasn't quite dawned on him he has responsibility to the people of the united states, the members of the armed forces at the united states, donald trump is acting as though he thinks it's all about donald trump instead of all about the people and moving forward as a country. >> would any lawyer be advising the president to talk about pardons at this point? >> no lawyer would think that was either in the interest of the country or frankly actually in the interest of donald trump to be speaking publicly about pardons. >> publicly. >> well, but he's competing about it?
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>> that is, again, i can't imagine any lawyer would ever advise that. i spoke with some of the people on the hill say they don't know what to do with that. how do you respond to that? how do you talk about that? how do you get up on a press conference about health care and have to talk about the president talking about, you know, pardoning himself. it just throwing everything in a tailspin. >> this is unprecedented. some people have the parallel between trump's attacks on mueller and former president clinton's attacks on ken starr. the idea of attacking mueller and throwing out the idea of pardons at this early stage of an investigation both may be part of sort of chaos strategy and also perhaps unintentionally acknowledging that our president may face criminal liability for his actions. >> kathleen clark, professor of washington university school of law. thank you for joining us. thank you for hanging out the last hour of your lives here. thank you for joining us.
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we've got an update for you now on charlie gard, that very sick little boy from britain whose medical fight made headlines around the world. his parents are dropping that legal battle to bring him to the u.s. for experimental treatment after new medical tests show treatment in the u.s. might not be effective anymore. his parents were just out talking about their son. here is what they said just
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moments ago. >> our son is an absolute warrior, and we could not be prouder of him and we will miss him terribly. his spirit will live on for eternity. >> his emotional father talking there saying charlie probably won't live to see his first birthday, which is less than two weeks away. difficult situation for those parents in britain. we're wrapping up our show with today's big picture which comes to us from the mediterranean sea. this is about 12 miles off the coast of libya. check it out. this is an african migrant being pulled into a rescue boat after his poet went out of control. this is the quickest way from africa to europe but not an easy one. one organization calls it the deadliest route for migrants on earth. more than 2,000 have died there. the photographer here is from the "associated press." as always i'll be posting today's bic picture on twitter
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and snapchat. as always i really would love to hear your thoughts. i will do my best to get to your comments on all of it after the show when i make my way over to the white house for my day job. more news with ali velshi and stephanie ruhle in new york. >> not too far to go. you better respond to those tweets. >> good morning. big, big day. i'm stephanie ruhle. >> i'm ali velshi. let's get started. >> son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner, we now know what he'll tell lawmakers on capitol hill. >> did anybody with the campaign collude with russia. >> meeting today with the senate committee behind closed doors and he won't be under oath. >> he attended for about 10 minutes and texted his assistant and said this is a waste of my time, get me out of here. give me a quick call. this is not useful to me and he left the meeting. no coordination,


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