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president trump. it is the highest military honor. he's receiving it after saving the lives of 10 other soldiers in a 1969 battle in vietnam even after he got hit by shrapnel and pul bullets. these are the pictures. the photographer for "associated press" will be covering that ceremony later today when it happens. in the mvp time i want to know your thoughts on today's big picture. hit me up on facebook, instagram, snapchat and twitter, i'll be there. i'll also be the white house which is where i'm watching now. thank you for watching this hour of "msnbc live" i'll pass it over to ali velshi. >> medal of honor are my favorite days. politics aside for a little while as we focus on real heroes. thank you, we'll see you later this afternoon. i'm ali velshi stephae ruhle it off. chief of staff sworn in. on this so-called american dreams meet can kelly stop the chaos after a week that's widely
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seen as political nightmare. putin's pay back, announces sanctions announcing most dramatic cuts to american staff in a century. is this an end to putin-trump bromance. sal valuinging trump care, 40 from both sides of the aisle come out with a plan to fix obamacare. let's get started. >> this morning a changing of the guard. >> the president's new chief of staff in the white house is sworn in. >> we have a fantastic leader, chief of staff. going to do a really great job. >> will all the white house staff report to new chief of staff? >> i will do whatever the president and our new chief of staff general kelly ask me to do. >> will all staff members begin immediately reporting to him. >> i don't know. >> general kelly will bring discipli discipline. the president has to allow take to take place.
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he wants to hold chief of staff accountable. >> he'll be able to succeed if, this is colossal if, if the president gives authority to end chaos and dysfunction and presidential decision making. >> anybody that thinks they are going to change donald trump doesn't know donald trump. >> vladimir putin retaliating for congressional sanctions against russia. putin after he announced on state tv he ordered u.s. to slash its diplomatic staff in russia by 755. >> this has a boomerang effect that hurts russians as well. >> recent diplomatic action tape by moscow will not deter the commitment of the united states of america. >> our job is to follow the law of the land. we take that mission very, very seriously. >> the white house's view, they can't move on in the senate. >> the president will not accept those who said it's, quote, time to move on. >> i got off the plane and spontaneously some of them started applauding and then virtually all of them started to applaud. it was just amazing. >> okay. now on the job. new white house chief of staff
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john kelly retired marine corps general sworn in 90 minutes ago. he replaced reince priebus ousted last week. kelly's challenge is to restore order amid the turmoil that plagued the west wing after arguably the president's worst week so far. kelly attended his first cabinet meeting last hour alongside the president. >> we all know him, respect him, admire what he's done. at homeland what he's done has been nothing short of miraculous. as you know, border was a tremendous problem, now 80% stoppage. even the president of mexico called me and said their southern border, very few people are coming because they know they are not going to get through our border, which is the ultimate compliment. so i just want to congratulate him on the great job he's done with homeland security. i have no doubt that he will be an absolutely superb chief of staff.
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>> now, of course john kelly has been at cabinet meetings as homeland security secretary. let me just show you who he is. he served as dhs security since january. he's 67 years old. he's a retired four star marine general. he spent 45 years in the united states marines, had three tours of duty in iraq. he was the commander of u.s. southern command and was senior military assistant to gates and panetta. this guy has a lot of experience in defense in the military. not so much in the white house which definitely needs some order brought to it. let's talk more about that with nbcews white house correspondent kristen welker standing by. kristen, there aren't lot of questions about john kelly's abilities. there never have been. there were questions right from the beginning about whether reince priebus, nice guy, was equipped to be white house chief of staff in any white house let alone one likely to be disorderly. the question is does kelly get the permission to do what he needs to do to bring that white
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house into shape? >> that is a major open question, ali. i think we won't have the answer until his tenure gets away. i know it's a charge to stabilize this white house which has been at times in a state of chaos, which has dealt with internal discord. let's take a look at his to do list. as the president sees it, it's bringing order to the white house. be the president's gate keeper, i should say, and limit clashes between compete factions here. the last one is a real challenge. that's something that has plagued this administration from the very start, whether you're talking about the clashes between steve bannon, jared and ivanka in the early days of the administration or in recent days anthony scaramucci going against old guard. in terms of whether he'll be able to do that, he's someone who is seen as a stabilizing force. as you pointed out, he's a military guy. he's had a long history with
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order. but the challenge becomes how does that translate into the president's policy agenda. think about health care, for example. reince priebus' selling point, one of the reasons he said he was up to the challenge of chief of staff, he' the person to get health care over the finish line, overhaul obamacare. he had all these relationships on capitol hill. of course it didn't get done. that's part of why it's believed reince priebus lost his job. that's going to be a real challenge for kelly who, of course, doesn't have the same background when it comes to policy dealing with congress. i think that is the steep task ahead. in terms of whether or not the president will embolden him to carry out the duties of chief of staff, that remains to be seen. >> the president never had much time for official from the republican party, which is what reince priebus was, maybe a bridge he was trying to establish. he really likes military men. >> that's right. >> he really likes generals.
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chief of staff john kelly, national security adviser, that makes sense a military guy, h.r. mcmaster, still active duty general, not craziest thing in the world have a military person there, retired marine corps general. donald trump has a lot of believe military men can make it right. >> touting him over and over again. i think there's another aspect to this, ali. he's a military guy who also has been effective at carrying out the president's agenda so far in the president's eyes. he's been tough on illegal immigration. he's been tough on crime. he leads with an iron fist. that's something that appeals to this president. remember, think about some of his past comments when it comes to leaking. that has been a big issue for this president to crack down on the leakers. general kelly has been very clear on "meet the press" with our own chuck todd that he sees leaking as close to treason. it's something he takes very
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seriously. i expect him to make that a key focus, ali. >> kristen welker at the white house. kind of hoping this week is not as busy for kristen as last week. one never knows. john kelly's first day on the job at the white house comes as tensions with russia escalate a lot. vladimir putin has ordered the expulsion of 755 u.s. diplomats and staff members from russia. a direct response to new sanctions being imposed by the united states. vice president pence talking tough on russia during his visit this morning tost estonia. >> no threat looms larger in baltic states than the specter of aggression from your neighbor. to be clear, we hope for better days, better relations with russia. recent diplomatic action taken by moscow will not deter the commitment of the united states of america to our security, the security of our allies, and the security of freedom loving
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nations around the world. >> joining me dan freed served for the obama administration and in the earliest days of the trump administration. ambassador, good to see you. we should just be clear. some of these people, these 755 people, are not actually going to be expelled from russia. some of them are russian staff of the u.s. embassy. so once again, likehe adoption restrictions aft the imposition of the magnitsky act russians imposing sanctions that might hurt russians. >> we've seen this movie before. the expulsions remind me of the mid 1980s when we were involved in expulsion wars with the soviet union. why russians would want to repeat the experience of the 1980s is beyond me. you may remember the '80s ended rather badly for the soviet union. >> so it looked like we were having a reset, a little bit of a reset under president obama.
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that then went the wrong way after the invasion of crimea. then it looked like maybe there was another attempt at that with donald trump. no wha no-- what now? why has it escalated to this stage? >> you're right. president obama and maybe trump and certainly president bush before them tried to develop good relations with russia. they failed because of the russians really, because the russians wanted to dominate their neighbors and no american president could put up with it. now putin seems irritated that the deal he thought he had or hoped to have with donald trump hasn't materialized, so he's lashing out. this won't help him. >> let's talk about vice president pence is in estonia. those baltic states are nato members. they have large russian populations therein who are restive. many have not taken eu
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citizenship. there's some sense eastern flank, nato flank against russia is a major irritant to russia but they are also very concerned about russia's behavior. >> the baltic states i've been fabulously successful shedding their soviet past and becoming much wealthier democratic countries. they are members of nato, the eu. i'm not sure it's fair to say large russian minorities in estonia and latvia are restive. maybe united states would like them to be restive but it's not clear they are. they are probably very glad to be living far wealthier than russia. >> your point is well taken. i agree with you on that. dan, gooded to you. ambassador fried served as coordinator for president obama and early days of the administration. >> thanks for having me. >> stay with us. we're going to dive into the health care drama, including new bill to stabilize showers market. we'll hear from chris van hollen when we come back.
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." tweets chastise the collapse of the gop billing. in the latest this morning, the president is floating a recurring idea saying if obamacare is hurting people, and it is, why shouldn't it hurt the insurance companies and why should congress not be paying what they are paying. kellyanne conway talking about that. >> a really sweet deal members of congress have where they are not beholden to the health care many say is unaffordable, unsustainable and untenable. this is exactly what so many americans hate about washington, d.c.. meanwhile politico reports roughly 40 house democrats and republicans plan to unveil a bipartisan bill that will help stabilize the insurance market
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following months of private meetings between the problem solvers. joining me to talk about this democrat senator chris van hollen, member of senate appropriations committee. senator, grate to see you. thank you for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> i'll talk about this later on, give the audience a breakdown why these cost sharing subsidies are the issue. this is what the president is talking about. the deparent health and human services gives money over monthly to people to subsidize the insurance companies really, subsidize low income on the policies. that is one way to kill obamacare without legislation. >> that's right. these are payments to help reduce the cost of insurance to lower income people in the exchange, which helps increase the number of people who participate in the exchanges, which stabilizes the exchanges. you're absolutely right. this is within the power of the trump administration to continue
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to make these payments. they have been making them on a month-to-month basis, but their continued threats to pull the plug on these payments is what insurance companies are telling us is going to lead to a big rise in their premiums. that along with the fact the trump administration has threatened not to enforce the individual mandate, what i call the social responsibility provision, the idea that everybody needs to be in the insurance pool. those two things are within the control of the administration. >> right. >> they should not sabotage the system. >> so as you and i have discussed, really when you look at every other developed country, rich cup, 58 countries around the world, they have all figured out whether conservative or liberal countries, they have all figured out if everybody is insured, that is the best risk pool. it's the one that brings the cost of health care down as much as possible. are democrats moving toward a discussion of single payer or universal health care? that is mittically a little bit
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dangerous? >> ali, i think what democrats are doing is the following. number one, trying to make sure we stabilize the insurance markets in the very short-term because insurance companies are going out with their plans and their prices. but democrats are also looking at long-term changes. at the top of the list reigning in cost of prescription drugs. i believe we should include in the exchanges medicare for all-type option and see how that competition works within the exchanges and think about where we take next steps. i think the immediate priority is t make se that the trump administration doesn't sabotage then do what john mccain suggested, work through regular order with colleagues to come up with measures, prescriptions would be a great mass to start. >> what do you know about the problem solvers caucus plan? do you know anything about this? 40 lawmakers coming up.
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>> i don't know. i would say they are working on it. many in the senate as well. many introduced practical measures to stabilize the exchanges in the short-term as well as some of these longer-term efforts regarding prescription drugs. i think there's a possibility we could get together with republican senators and do something if mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, would be willing to go down that path. i have to say republican senators are taking all this abuse from trump through tweets and other things. i hope they have gotten to the point where they just unplug from all the trump tweets so we can work on a bipartisan basis. >> are you in a position, or are you willing to go down a road, that republicans can have some of their concerns addressed and you get a win if the final product doesn't look like
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obamacare but achieves some of the goals? >> we've also said, ali, there are ways to strengthen the exchanges specifically. we are not doing to go after medicaid and these very deep cuts to medicaid that republicans proposed and we're not doing to do that while providing tax breaks to very wealthy people, including the insurance companies, i should say. it's interesting to read that donald trump tweet this morning. he was supporting the house bill and senate bills that provided big tax breaks to the insurance companies including tax breaks for the bonuses insurance companies pay to the ceos. that was the giveaway to the insurance companies. >> now subsidies to insurance companies. a little inconsistent on tha front the. >> exactly. >> good to see you. thank you for being with me. >> good to be with you. >> chris van hollen, democratic senator from maryland. donald trump hints he might end this subsidy program that gives health care to the poor. we're going to explain how these cost sharing subsidies work, get
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." i'm ali velshi. stephanie is off. stories we're watching, white house has new chief of staff john kelly, sworn in by president trump. he's inside the full cabinet meeting at the white house as chief of staff. used to go to those as cabinet secretary. in russia vladimir putin cutting u.s. diplomatic staff. he said 755 staff will be removed from their roles in the country. the cold waresque punishment is in response to sanctions. four arrested for a plot to bomb an airplane in australia. they arrested after intelligence of islamic-style attack. security is tightened at
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airports as police continue to inveigate eincident. also today republican senator john mccain begins trt for an aggressive brain tumor. his office says he's expected to return to washington by the end of the august recess. jury deliberations have begin in the trial of martin shkreli. he's called most hated man in america for spiking lifesaving aids drug. we'll bring you the verdict as soon as it comes out. we've been talking about the president's laser focus on health care. a series of criticisms against senate republicans he threatened something else that would destabilize insurance market, cost sharing subsidies. president trump tweeted if a new health care bill is not approved quickly bailouts for insurance companies and bailouts for members of congress will end very soon. i'm going to leave the members of congress thing out for a moment. i want to talk about cost sharing subsidies and who wins and who loses. we talked a little with chris
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van hollen about this. let me talk about what these subsidies are. this is what they wost $7 billion, 2018 more expensive, $10 billion, partially because insurance rate premiums going up. they were going up before obamacare, during obamacare and depending what you do afterward they are still going up. they are never doing down. the number of americans that receive these cost sharing subsidies, 7.1 million low in come people who receive money to subsidize insurance. ultimately the money ends up with the insurance companies, which is why donald trump is referring to them as insurance company subsidies but the money goes to individuals first. here is what happens if donald trump's threat comes through and the money doesn't end up getting to those people. the insurance companies can either absorb the costs. they are publicly traded companies in most cases. that's not likely to happen. they can request midyear premium rate increase which they would be likely to get because their
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cost situation changed so much or they can do what ty ve been doing exit affordable care marketplace ente martnd no longer sell plans to individuals. so that's part of what the issue is with these cost sharing subsidies. let's bring into the discussion a practicing physician with johns hopkins university. she was deputy staff director for health education, labor and pensions committee chaired by senator ted kennedy. good to see you, thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> this is a way to kill obamacare without killing obamacare through legislation. >> that's right. as you said, these aren't bailouts, these are really payments to offset the out of pocket cost for low income families. >> so in a way, this is sort of a back door to getting to government paying for health care, because the government is subsidizing people who can't pay their premiums. is this the most elegant way to do it? we've created back door killing
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affordable care act without doing it through congress? >> i think you're highlighting the fact when this was done in the on administration, this was seen as a way to stand up an individual market and get insurance companies to see that this was an attractive opportunity to offer products in. as the administration has changed and certainly the lawsuit filed by the house of representatives even during the obama administration highlights that this is certainly becoming a much more thorny political issue that no one had anticipated at the time. >> okay. so now the bottom line is the payments tcontinue, these subsidies. almost monthly they make a comment how they may stop. this morning he tweeted about it. just the suggestion they may stop is affecting some of these insurers. >> absolutely. even last year when the election happened, you saw insurers kind of pausing and trying to decide. as i mentioned that lawsuit was
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going on and the courts had actually allowed for the obama administration to try to delay and work things out when the administration changed. that certainly caused insurance companies to feel very nervous about this. you mentioned premiums are rising. so this certainly makes it difficult not just for 2017 and 2018 but insurance companies are getting ready for 2019. that's certainly eugh to make them concerned. >> we'll continue the discussi. good to see you. thanks. >> thanks. >> bring in gop reaction to the debate. joining me on set, republican congresswoman claudia tinny. she sits on the house services. good to see you. >> thank you. >> you're from new york state. you own a business? >> yes. >> you had a very personal experience with obamacare. prior to obamacare you bought insurance in the commercial market for your maui he's. i think you had over 80 employees. >> we had 80, we're down to 67
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or so. we had to reduce employees to pay for the increased costs of obamacare. because we did insurance to try to attract better employees because we have to compete against school districts and government who seem to be biggest employers in a rural area, they provide not just 401 (k)s but pensions even for part-time work. we had 401(k), flexible insurance plan with optical, dental. we had all kinds of options. you could join a health club. we had all these great things but we had to get rid of them to comply with obama mandates because they were expensive. we didn't want to force our employees onto a heb exchange because health care exchange so expensive in new york. interesting you talked about subsidies. as someone who ran our newspaper in my former life which we sold in 2004, we are always up againstbsies. government subsidies really hurt smal businesses and hurt the
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competition appear takes away from t -- and takes away from the model. talking about how it's not working, we need to continue subsidies, cost share, why isn't individual market working, because you still have government trying to provide subsidies to prop up certain individuals over others. what do we do now? we have a problem with obamacare, it's not working, how do we solve it. a lot semantics, republicans want repeal, democrats want repair. to me we need to fix the problem for individual job creators. >> so what is the solution? i see the problem. this the issue. the solution that both the house and senate came up with didn't seem workable. in the senate's case wasn't even workable enough to get senators to work, republican senators. what do you suggest? >> interestingly all those people voted to repeal many, many times. >> i think it's easier when you know the president is going to -- >> it's a wrinkle. >> shouldn't you be voting on policy not whether it passes, vote on what's good. we have to take terrible votes.
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we vote on compromises. that's what we end up, form of government we have. nonetheless, this bill was a compromise, part of the step, back into reconciliation and hash it out again. it was really a partial step. >> right. >> the problem underline repair, say repair of the democrats. but the problem is if you don't repeal you can't start over. struurally democrats or republicans have a different idea. democrats are leading towar single payer. they voted in the state assembly when i was a member there every year. they vote for it, almost all of them. the question is, is it single payer, which vermont with drew from very quickly because it didn't work. i have a son active duty -- >> you have a whole country where it works. >> i have a son who is an active duty marine. v.a. failing terribly, single payer. >> that's administrator problem. >> you can say that but that's what government is. >> medicare works. >> there is a lot of problems with medicare if you're a.
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>> a lot of problems with individual market insurance. >> i don't prefer single payer model. >> there are a lot of ways to achieve this. switzerland has universal that's not single payer, private insurance but everybody has to be covered. >> right now we need to figure out what we're doing because we're hurting especially businesses and individual market in my community. we have a huge expanded medicaid in the state of new york, which presents a problem to the new york representatives. we met every week. we come up with a lot of nos, kept trying our way around it. we understand we have to have public health care for truly needy, our seniors. people with special needs. people who can't take care of themselves. we have to take care of a public health care system, how do you provide it, maintain a dynamic market and live with the government working against small businesses and individuals who are trying to survive. they are the ones working two and three jobs just to try and maintain. so it's a frustrating battle. >> all right. well, lots moreo tal about. we'll continue this discussion
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." more tough time on north korea as the reclusive country fired a missile test, this one concerning because analysis shows it can reach even closer to the continental u.s. on twitter president trump palaced china saying they could easily solve the problem while reaffirming u.s. commitment to protecting japan and south korea in an overpass call with the japanese prime minister. u.s. military tested thaad missile defense in alaska dramatically shooting down projectile over pacific as super song bombers streaked across peninsula. the show of force hoping to add teeth to the deterrent talk. joining us live from seoul, south korea, janice, tell us what's going on in south korea. are the nerves frayed in a place like seoul, or are they used to this? >> they are accustomed to crisis with north korea but the government here is aitting this latest testill
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fundamentally change security namic in tregion. of course if you consider the statistics around this latest icbm test, if you flatten the trajectory, it can reach not only the coast of the united states according to experts but cities like denver, even chicago. so it does raise the stakes not only for the u.s. but also for regional allies who are getting nervous about whether the u.s. will be there to back them. >> janice, what, if anything, can happen here. president trump has vowed -- america has a mutual defense agreement with south korea but obviously with south korea and with japan. president trump has vowed protection. what's left to do other than test thaad missiles and send bombers close to dmz. >> a clear stratly would put regional players at ease. the lack of one on the part of south korea so north korea
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appears to be making its own moves saying it wants to strengthen missiles and will enter talks with the u.s. to do so. as well president moon jae-in ordered immediate deployment of thaad anti-missile defense system that he suspended back in may. skra japan looking at boosting its as well as missile strikes. there is the sense that allies here are forth feiifying their defenses given this nervousness from the u.s. to offer clear direction. >> janice mackie freyer in seoul, south korea. now that general kelly is running white house staff who will run department of homeland security? we'll tell you who is considered when we come back. president trump is bragging about gdp today. her he is in a cabinet meeting citing second quarter gdp, a number that came out friday. >> the number i say we will hit three at some point in the not too distant future and everybody smiled and they laughed.
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they thought we would be at one. 2.6 is an unbelievable number announced on friday. >> i'm telling you, this guy and his economic numbers keep me employed. first of all during the election he said 4%, 5% and 6%, not 3. look what happened, 2015, 2.9, 16, 1.4. we only got the first half of 2017 in and it's 1.9, which is actually lower than the long-term average of 2.1. so he chose the second three months of 2017 to sort of spread the impression that the economy is on fi sorry, donald trump, wrong again. we'll be right bac a millie dresselhaus doll! happy birthday, sweetie! oh, millies. trick or treat! we're so glad to have you here. ♪ what if we treated great female scientists like they were stars? ♪
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for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. liberty mutual insurance. welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." i'm ali velshi. stephanie is off. john kelly is now president trump's new chief of staff after being sworn in this morning. that leaves department of homeland security without a permanent boss. deputy secretary duke acting secretary. who is the president going to nominate for sensitive and crucial job? it's a big deal. let's take a look at some of the early potentials are. this is all early, representative michael mccall of
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texas, the acting i.c.e. director, secretary of state, jeff sessions he's actually got a job at the moment. he's the united states attorney general. mike mccall, homeland security committee serve in u.s. attorney's office chief of counter-terrorism abdominal security and former deputy general serving under now senator john cornyn. thomas homan, you may have seen him last week. he's acting director of i.c.e., citizenship enforcement efforts to arrest and detain undocumented. former nypd police officer and u.s. border patrol agent. this guy is an interesting one. a republican kansas secretary of state, the co-chair of the election integrity commission, the one that president trump has designed to prove his claim millions voted illegally kris kobach. co-author of sb 1070, very
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controversial immigration law in arizona. of course jeff sessions a republican, who is the current attorney general under a little pressure these days. he's the former senator from alabama, from 1996 to '7alabama's attorney general for fr 1995 until later. serve from '81 to 1993. those are your options. somebody else may come up, no knows. for now bring in tsa administrator, coast guard comandante. sir, thank you for being with us. >> glad to be with you, ali. >> let's talk about homeland security. is there an issue that the deputy is running this? this is a department take coordinates a lot of responses to what americans fear most in many cases, and that's a terrorist attack. >> you're absolutely right. the scope of the department is relentless. elaine duke is a solid
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performer. i hired tsa and property her to dhs when i was secretary. she's been there, done that. probably knows more about the ins an outs of the department than almost anyone else. she's also surrounded by some k mcillane and so the department is in very good hands during this time when they're looking for a new secretary. >> let's talk about what the dhs does. there was no dhs before 9/11, it's got a quarte$44 billion bu. what kind of person is needed for the top job? >> i think general kelly was almost a perfect choice, largely
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because of the discipline att d attendant to his time as a police officer, he was a legislati legislative assistant for a couple of secretaries of defense. he was number one over at sacur. he was the sync at southland security. border security, immigration policy, he was steeped in that as he came to the job. so if he can find a clone of general kelly, that's the right guy for the job. >> people seem like him whenever we goes. james was the deputy secretary of homeland security and a commandant of the u.s. coast guard. >> president trump told them, quote, don't be too nice.
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when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough. i said please don't be too nice, like when you guys put these guys in a car and you protect their head. somebody just killed someone and you protect the head. >> president trump encouraged
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officers to not be so nice. this was supposed to be focused on the gang known as ms-14. this set off a backlash from police groups across the county. i just want to go to the suffolk county, violations of those rules are treat extremely seriously, as a department we do not and we will not tolerate the roughing up of prisoners. my next guest is a chief with the police chief's association. you have rules you have to follow, and aassume as a veteran, i think you're a 40-year veteran, you believe that those rules make sense to follow, but there are a lot --
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>> i'm the 40-year-old guy. but it did make it difficult. we have been so hard as a profession to push back on the narrative that the -- everything that the good men and women of law enforcement are trying to overcome, i think it feeds mistrust and paranoia of lawmaker. >> it's one thing that the president goes out there and does that, because some people say that does create an environment for those places where the relations between police and civilians are not terrific. but more importantly, to your point, it feeds an existing narrative that's out there, the existing narrative is that in some quarters is that police are rough on suspects. >> yeah, it does, and i don't
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think it's -- there's any place for it, the phone lines and the communication lines of law enforcement around the country lit up on friday and throughout the weekend, and we can't turn addresses like ms-14 which is a serious problem we're combatting in this country, into a campaign like speech. i think the president tries to win the adoration or the support of the audience he's in front of. he's the president of the united states, and he needs to stay on point. and general kelly in the white house will focus on good public policy instead of distractions. >> what would be helpful to hear from the president that is supporting of good policing and police forces that are feeling the pressure of the public on them for events that have happened in recent years, without going over that line and making it seem like it's a war, in fact the president said in
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this speech that the laws are horrendously stacked against us, i think he was speaking as a law enforcement officer. what's the way to be helpful to police without making it look like it's an us and them. >> first of all, words matter, whether it's the president, or the police chief or anyone in society, words matter and when we start making jokes and quite frankly police officers if they made that on duty, would be disciplined for it. that doesn't help us in the long run, and so what we need is the president to focus on funding, focus on building relationships, not just with law enforcement. we appreciate this administration trying to lift us up. but our number one force serves communities, whether it's a community of immigrants or poor people, we do not want to be joking around. >> good do see you, thanks for
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being with us. chief of houston police department. thanks for watching this hour of msnbc, i'll be back at 3:00 p.m. eastern for the medal of honors ceremony and the white house press briefing, but now it's time for andrea mitchell reports. john kelly taking over as the new chief of staff, but can the retired four star general get the white house troops to fall into formation? >> i predict that general kelly will go down in terms of the position of chief of staff, one of the great ever and we're going to have a good time, but much more importantly, we're going to work hard, and we're going to make america great again. the boot, moscow sends hundreds of american diplomats packing. with the administration's toughest language yet

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