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will wrap up this hour of msnbc live. we were just talking about a new poll that came out. the president's job approval rating down seven points, 33%. >> we'll see if it goes down any further. >> and it is a significant space. it is 2:00 p.m. in our nation's capital. we'll bring it to you live when it happens, i suspect they will be asked about the approval rati numbers. and we'll see how they respond to several other stories as well out of washington. following weeks of will he or won't he speck police station. but he did not do it happily. there was none of the customary
bill signing fanfare that we normally see. he went on to explain why the president didn't like it. they are lifting the penalties on russia calling them "unconstitutional." our word of the day is sanctions. >> breaking news coming out about the bill -- >> the president can't reversion the sanctions. >> the fact he does this quietly reinforces the narrative that the trump administration is not serious on pushing back on russia. >> i'm struck that he did so not making a strong statement against russia. >> also today, the man behind the lawsuit that alleges the white house worked with fox news on a fake story to deflect attention from the russia investigation. >> i said, what is it with me
with these quotes, and she said we'll remove it, rod, sorry about that. and when i confronted them about it, they said the quotes were left there because that's the way the president wanted it. could it force the president and his former white house secretary to -- a carol lee ia national reporter. the president is sign this sanctions bill, and he called it unconstitutional. why did he sign it. there was overwhelming support. there was an immention amount of
pressure. the administration says they did win minor concessions particularly around the language of how it might impact the workforce and the energy sector here in the u.s. there was concerns of backlash. this was congress's way of effectively sending a strong signal that the meddling in the election will not be tolerating and poxing the president in a little bit. it comes as they're investigation is going on on capitol hill and also a special council under way to try to determine if there is any connection between the trump campaign and russia's meddling. president trump calling parts of it unconstitutional because it limits his authority to scale br back. that is why the administration was opposed to it in the first
place. >> i imagine if the health care bill went to his desk, he would sign it immediately. they wanted to review the fine print of the sanctions bill if of course, there was some concerns, some lingering concerns among top officials. >> was it that or that the president didn't want to sign it for a number of other reasons, i know you can't speculate on this, but he has never been a fan of tansanctions on russia. was it concerned about their ability to negotiation or something more? >> i think it was all of that, and its i'm poses a new round of sanctions on iran and north korea. there is no doubt that the top
officials here were broadly opposed to this legislation. it limited his authority, and i think it runs counter to what the president wanted to do, which was have stronger relations with russia. we have seen russia retaliate to some extent. they have drawn 755 dip llomats. bottom line, a little hesitation. >> so positive reaction, senator jeff flake who has been pretty har harsh, he says there are times i will agree with donald ump and times i will disagree. today he should be commented for signing russia's sanctions bill. john mccain issued a statement as well saying the concerns are
hardly surprising thousand they are misplaced. it made the congress and the president o -- kco-equal branch of government. >> it gave the president broad latitude for implements american foreign policy. that is where the president has been mostly critical on this. listen, presidents in the past don't like when congress forces their hand on things like sanctions unless it is something they want them to do. president obama, if you recall, he let a bill become law without signing it. he faced what would have been a override of a veto.
it comes with a certain connotation with this white house, it was very closely watched and raised a lot of questions when he was delaying signing it. part of the interesting thing social security that it restricts his ability to cut deals and it does. he can't just waive sanctions without restricting his ability to do that. it throws into question what can he do in terms of cutting any sort of deal with russia. >> what sort of deals does he want to get with russia? the under lying thing he wanted to do here is tt russia interfered in our election. the president was not going to go out there and say that he wanted to impose sanctions. he had not yet done this. russia interferes in the election, the president has not done anything about it even though he went out and criticized president obama for not doing enough about it.
he also said he is not entirely sure that russia interfered. so the fact that he signed this can -- can the white house now argue they are taking is seriously or is that an argument that still does not hold water. >> congress, which is run by the republican party in both chambers tilted in a more hawkish direction. . i read this as a reporter, as a stark message from capitol hill to the white house. get in line on foreign policy. we're going to set the tone as much as you. >> his approval ratings today down to 33%. that is extraordinarily low. 54% of american voters say they're embarrassed rather than proud to have trump, and i think white voters, without them, they
said it is stark numbers, is this all of the controversies that we have seen, are these taking a toll on the president? >> the reality of our politics is certainly directing the administration. you look at the rollout on this hard line immigration policy with the president, you see across the entire administration a play for the base. a play to keep that trump base with the white house, with the president, and not a overture yet to the center. it was intriguing to see the new chief of staff reaching out over the weekend, perhaps thinking ahead to infrastructure and stax reform. they may need democratic mands if they want to get anything
through. >> is the message to the country that only 30% of the country matters? >> if you look at the last six months, the president has not had any vigt victories. his white house has been in turmo turmoil, and the russia investigation is hanging over all of that. if you're americans looking at what is going on in washington, you feel like this is not what you voted for. >> nbc's carroll lee, robert costa, kristen welker, thank you. a former homicide detective and fox news contributor is alleging the network, with the help of the white house, pressured him into going along with a fake story about a murdered operative.
rod wheeler says the narrative was intended to undercut the argument that russia was trying to help trump win the collectel. he says they fabricated quotes and attributed them to him. >> two or three days before the story was published, she sent me a version of the story that did not contain any of the quotes. it was the story that was published that the quotes were added to and that's when i immediately, let me underline that word immediately pushed back on her. when i confronted them, they said the quotes were left in there because that is the way the president wanted them. i said why is the president involved in a murder investigation. >> we're going to follow the
paper trail. the president wanted the article out immediately. >> joining us for the reporting on that story, the chief correspondent for yahoo news. you heard them talking about it, a realitiy donald trump supporter and fox news commentator said we have to investigate this, and said the president saw the story before it posted online and wanted fox to get it out quickly. >> he says he never spoke to the president in his life, there is a clear contradiction between the texas messages that are cited in the lawsuit from butowski suggesting he has inside knowledge of what president's interests were in
this story and what he is saying now. this is possible that he was inflating his information. it is possible he was talking to others in the white house and channelling what he thought the president was interested in. or it could be possible that he made the whole thing up in these text messages. we don't know, but the danger here for the white house is that this is a lawsuit. if it survives a motion to dismiss, it will go into the discovery phase and as the lawyer made clear to me yesterday, and reported yesterday, the president is on the witness list as it sean spicer, who -- >> will he be able to depose them? will it get dismissed out of hand -- >> making it's way through the legal system? >> i'm possible to predict.
there is clearly -- there is a lot there to this lawsuit. the white house, the president, they're not the defendants. fox news is. and fox news retracted the story that mr. wheeler says defamed him. there is clearly an issue there with fox news. they said yesterday they are continuing to investigate and they have not president out any public statement analyzing what went wrong. but on it's face, fox news put out a false story that it has restrakted. now the subject of a lawsuit. it seems there is at least a preliminary basis for the lawsuit to move forward. >> is sounds like rod wheeler at the very least has text messages to back up some of his claims.
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as we wait for the white house briefing to start in about ten minutes, robert mueller added another lawyer to his team. this one is a specialist in bribery. greg is a former official in the justice department and now the 16th lawyer to be part of the investigation. in soot twist, they recently rescuesr rekur recused themselves from two business dealings. so what does it mean for the investigation. they are also coordinating this, tell me what do you know about
greg andres that he knows about bribery and white collar crime. >> i don't know a lot that others don't know. the fbi investigation is what we're doing on the house side and the senate side, if i'm just an observer, which i am, i can't help be notice this is a individual with expertise in pulling apart financial transactions. there and there also been questions around the president's financial interactions with russia. i can't help but notice he drew a very bright red line when he said that any investigation of his or his family's financial li life would be a real problem. >> why does that raise a flag fou? >> because one of the tragedies
of this last six months ishe missed opportunity for the president to say this is a problem. the worst thing that could happen is if it drips out three weeks ago. we learned from the president's own son that he had a meeting which he was excited to get information. the president said this could be a real problem, everything comes out in the next week. we would probably be past this one way or another. but they have been dishonest. when the president points to an area he is nervous about, you have to wonder what is behind that curtain? >> it is not really our per
view. we are investigating the hack of the election and if there was any connections. in as much as it may be relevant to that, it would be in our per view, but we would not be looking at bribery or other with the scope of the investigation. >> we have not heard about the investigation at of late. but who is next in terms of getting interviewed? we have it is certainly our intention to do so. these higher profile depositions will happen with members there. and the month of august will be devoted on part of the
investigators going through the immense amount of documents that have been received. so august will be a lot of pretty unsexy work of reviewing documents and talking to lower level witnesses in anticipation of higher provile witnesses in september and all. >> law clerks out there could find that to be sexy work. the president did sign the bill. they basically say it takes away the flexion ability of the white hoe. what do y say? >> i say the political reality is this was a lock, stock, and barrel veto proof piece of legislation. that would have been an embarrassing moment for the president. i'm sure surprised we are where we are.
back to russia, there may be a greater or lesser willingness on the part of any member of congress. but most members of congress to trust the president on the issue of russia. we heard all sorts of complaints as we typically do about this and that. complaining about the failure in the senate to afeel the affordable care act. we have not heard a peep to kick whatever the number is people out of the country. so suffice is to say, most of us are not listening. if he wants to come around and speak with a new voice, maybe he could regain some credibility. >> i hope you have a ride home that is a car because the boat behind you just sailed away.
>> appreciate your time, sir, thank you very much. and the president reportedly called the white house a "real dump." now a former resident is hitting back. that story, ahead. new comments coming up from anthony scaramucci. and why the women are the survivors of the trump administration as we wait for one of those women to take to the white house podium for the press briefing. it was always a dream of mine to become a professional soccer player, but i never imagined that i'd be playing in kansas city. when i was first elected mayor, they would talk about kansas city, kansas like... i can't wait to get out of here. through the years we lost over 30,000 people.
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around 22,000. you can thank apple for that. the stock surged nearly 6% in the premarket after beating expectations with the quarter lquarterly earnin earnings. in ten days alone, there was three high pro file exits from 1600 pennsylvania avenue. you have sean spicer, reince priebus, and anthony scaramucci who kissed the white house goodbye in just ten days. there is a street to stability over there and it might have something to do with gender. as pointed out in a politico piece, the women are the survivors. current white house officials and political observers give
most of the create to bim being bet toreter equipped to deal wis short fuse. it would be rare to find a female scaramucci. in this white house, most of the drama queens are men. as we await today's white house press briefing by sarah huckabee sanders, i'm joined by annie, all of the men in the white house are the drama queens. >> it certainly seems like that. we hear about reince priebus and steve bannon. they had to take their fake buddy comedy on the road, and prove to us that it was best friends. jared kushner and steve bannon for fighting so badly that trump
had to tell them to work it out. deanna powell, the person considered for chief of staff, sarah sanders has risen, kellyanne conway, she is in it for the long haul. >> she really moved in, she's not going anywhere. >> some were saying that these women were not in the most high profile jobs of the white house, not in the hot seat jobs, but sarah huckabee sanders has taken on one of those jobs. is that potentially problematic for her, is she in it for the long haul? >> it is potentially problematic. part of the problem is the women have not had the top jobs in the administration. five of the top 22 highest paid staffers are white house women. now that sarah is in the media
spotlight every day like we're waiting for her right now, tbd on how long she lasts and if trump continues to like her. she is now in the hot seats. >> only five of the top paid people are women? >> yeah, and it's not unique. in obama's first term, two thirds of his top advisors in the west wing were men. it has always been a problem for women to have the top positions in the white house. it's not a completely unique trump phenomenon, but it is more noticeable, especially for a president that made statements about women in the campaign and dozens of women making claims against the president. they are floating through and rising in their professions as the men are taking each other out in this sort of game of thrones.
we should note that in game of thrones right now all of the women are basically in charge. >> i don't watch "game of thrones," but i get the concept. >> we will move on for that, not to give any spoilers to my audience. women are in, the mooch is out. now we have vicky here now, was he even sworn in, did he ever officially have the title? >> i don't know to be honest with you. >> so what is going on with scaramucci now, what happened? >> i think has roger stone called me to say in a rather surprising phone call, anthony scaramucci was like a suicide bomber. and he blew himself up. >> he was intended to go in and get reince out of the picture and then he wasn't worthwhile?
>> no, not at all, i think to speak to your previous guest and what she was saying is that funny enough anthony scaramucci was so focused on pleasing his boss that he forgot there are two components to his role. one is inward facing. another is dealing with the media. a conversation that he forgot to put it off of the record. >> that is kind of problematic for someone dealing with reporters. >> he is very, very good at selling himself. . he made a lot of money selling himself. he is very charismatic. this was a different job. this was to sell his white house. he faced a lot of personal
battles with brooireince priebu. he got so carried a way. he never really learned it. he never used that kind of language with me. he is, however, very much the product of there are certainly expletiv expletiv expletives. >> according to anthony scaramucci, he said most of what i said was humorous and joking. but the spirit of it was rocked. and you also talked about what
he would do next, and he said i'm going dark then i will reemerge as me. what does that mean? >> i think anthony has had a career of ups and downs, and he is one of those people that loves the limelight. he is like teflon. not angry at trump. is hi angry at ivanka trump or any of the kids that wanted him to bring him in. >> he owned it, he says i own this, i'm moving on. >> thank you for moving on. at any moment now, the white house press briefing will begin, we'll bring that to you live just as soon as that happens. first the white house is denying
reports that president trump called the white house a dump. according to "sports illustrated," he made those comments after being asked why he spent so much time at his own golf clubs. chelsea clinton responded by saying thank you to all of the white house employees for all they do every day, we'll be right back. no, please, please, oh! ♪ (shrieks in terror) (heavy breathing and snorting) no, no. the running of the bulldogs? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money aleia saved by switching to geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. liz assumed all dressingsrust were made equal. assume nothing.
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investigation. it is not a new policy or program announcement. joining me now is reverend al sharpton, host of politics nation on sundays right here on msnbc. they said this is not a new policy or program, do you buy this? >> when you look at this administration, it's the same justice department now working for fraudulent voters where no one has reported the frauds. in fact, the frauds that were investigated by prior administrations including republicans didn't find fraud. now they're looking for whites discriminated against that has not made a complaint either. so they're civil rights agenda, really in my judgment rolling back civil rights, are people having a solution looking for a problem, rather than a problem looking for a solution. that means they have a political agenda. >> they have lawsuits brought
against universities. >> they have been litigated and as you stated, the supreme court says you can continue affirmative action as long as no one is being discriminated against. >> the goal is one, political, playing to a base that is antiaffirmative action, that helped put them in action, saying we're going to deal with whites that are victimized even though we don't have any saying, and second they are really trying to, in many ways roll back the civil rights gains we have seen from the 60s with dr. king through the obama administration. the reason as you stated, katie, the reason their using political appointees, not the career civil sere vavants tells you it is
political. >> career civil sere fants are abiding by the law. you have to get operatives that will try to spin the law and lean another way. i think the great question they need to have to answer, why would you step outside of those that do litigation and law in that area in the justice department to get political appointees. >> we had an interesting full scream up a moment ago. whites, 70% black, 63% hispanic. relatively similar across the board, and there is also another poll that shows how republicans view colleges. 54% said they have a positive review, and only 36% of republicans, 37, execute me, had a hostive view. i will learn how to read, 36% of republicans had a positive view
of college. what do you make for that discrepancy. what happened to republicans that suddenly don't see college as positively as they used to. >> i think a number of things could have happened. i think under the obama administration we saw expansion and innovation in many areas, and i think they began to readjust their thinking, the politics that i think the trump administration is going to. >> do you think they're influencing people in the republican party? >> i think they're influencing them and trying to energize them. he ran a campaign all of the way through all of the way through. it is the mexicans that have your job, the president of the united states, he is other than
us, birther, birtherism, in one week we have gone after transgenders in the military by twitter, we told cops to be tough when arrested people. >> the dea came out and said don't do this, don't listen to the president. and now we get in memo, so it doesn't take a whole lot for you to see a pattern of reversal of civil rights, that's how we got it in the first place, by voting back. thank you for joining us today, appreciate it. be sure to chach politics nation on sundays at 8:00 a.m. here on msnbc. relationship on the rocks? the latest signs congressional republicans may be ready to break up with the president when we come back.
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revealed their agenda and health care was noticeablely absent. healthcare committee chair lamar alexander announced yesterday he would work with republicans to improve the current health care market. unless republican senators are total quitters, repeal and replace is not dead. and with that, sarah huckabee sanders joined by steve miller. >> the president endorsed this morning and i know you guys will have lots of fun. take it away, steven. >> thank you. great to be here today to talk with you about the president's new proposal for immigration reform. i'll just walk through the basics of it and then we'll take some questions and hopefully be able to answer all of them. so this is the largest proposed reform to our immigration policy in half a century.
the most important question when it comes to the u.s. immigration system is who gets a green card. a green card is the golden ticket of u.s. immigration. every year we issue a million green cards to foreign nationals from all the countries of the worl, but we do have without regard to whether that applicant has demonstrated the skill that can add to the u.s. economy, whether they can pay their own way or be reliant on wealth fair or whether they'll displace or take a job from an american worker. and as a result of this policy in place now for many years, we've seen significant reductions in wages for blue collar workers, massive displacement of african-american and hiss panic workers, as well as the displacement of immigrant workers from previous years who oftentimes compete directly against new arrivals who are being paid even less. so it's a policy that's actually exacerbated wealth and equality in the country in a pretty significant way. so you've seen overtime as a
result of this historic flow of unskilled immigration a shift in wealth from the working class to healthier corporations and businesses, and it's been very unfair for american workers, but especially for immigrant, woers, african-american workers and hiss panic workers and blue collar workers in general across the country. at the same time, it's cost taxpayers enormously because roughly half of immigrant headed households in the united states receive some type of welfare benefit, which i know is a fact that many people might consider astonishing, but it's not surprising when u an immigration system that doesn't look at questions like skill level or self sufficiency. and so this proposal has several major historic changes. first, it eliminates so-called chain migration. so right now -- what does chain migration mean? it means if you come into the united states on a green card, and just so we'll we're all
clear green card gives the recipient a fast track u.s. citizenship and with that all the benefits that come with being an american citizen. and so the individuals right now who are receiving green cards, they can bring in, say, an elderly relative who can immediately go on to public assistance if they become unable to support themselves financially and then that person can bring in a relative who can bring in a rel ti, who can bring in a relative. and that's why they call it chain migration. and over the years that has malignancy civil did he skilled the migrant flow into america and produced all those effects i'm talking about. so we're proposing to limit family-based migration to spouses and minor children. additionally, we're establishing a new entry system that's point spaced. australia has a paints based system, canada has a paints
based system. and what will the system look at? does the am can't speak english, can they support themselves and their families financially. do they have a skill that will add to the u.s. economy? are they being paid a high wage? the last part is very important, because this will help prevent displacement of u.s. workers. so if a company, let's say they're offering three times the median wage, that person will get more points on their application than if they're being two times the median wage or one times the median wage. so all of a sudden you're if you telling upward pressure on wages instead of downward pressure and you're making it very hard to use immigrant labor to substitute for american workers, because by prioritizing higher paid workers, you basically end the practice, more or less, of being able to seek out permanent residents to come in at lower pay. and so that's a major historic change to u.s. immigration policy. the effect of this, switching to a skills-based system, and
ending unfettered chain migration would be overtime you would cut net migration in half, which polling shows supported overwhelmingly by the american people in very large numbers. and i will just conclude by saying that this is what president trump campaigned on. he talked about it throughout the campaign, throughout the transition and since coming into office. this is a major promise to the american people, to push former it-based immigration reform that protects u.s. workers, protects u.s. taxpayers, and protects the u.s. economy and that prioritizes the needs of our own citizens, our own residents and our own workers. it's pro-american immigration reform that the american people want, that the american people deserve and that puts the needs of the working class ahead of the invest or class. so with that i would gladly take a few questions. >> thank you. steven. you talk about the president's agenda, but obviously if this doesn't become law it won't be implemented and there's also
resistance in congress specifically from republicans even today that you're rolling out this plan. ? how are you planning to overcome that? what are the compromise points. >> it's been my experience in the legislative process that there's two kinds of proposals. there's proposals that can only succeed in the dark of night and those this can only succeed in the light of day. this is the latter of those two. the more that we as a country have a national conversation about what kind of immigration system we want and to whom we want to give green cards to, the more unstoppable the momentum for something like this comes. >> there's room for change. >> public support is so immerse on this, if you just look at the polling data in many key battleground stalgts across the country that overtime you're going to see massive public push for this kind of legislation. because immigration affects every as smekt of our lives. it affects our schools, our hoopts, our working conditions, our labor market, our tax base, our communities. and it's a deeply personal issue for americans. and so you're going to see
massive public support for this. and also members of congress will have a choice to make. they can either vote with the interests of u.s. citizens and workers or they can vote against their interests and whatever happens as a result of that i think would be somewhat predictable. let me go to john and then we'll move back. >> how do you wedge this into an already jam-packed legislative calendar? >> well, ultimately we're going to have to have conversations with senate leadership and house leadership about the stems forward, but this is an issue that we campaigned on. the american am people voted for by electing donald trump as their president and is of enormous importance to the american economy because again we're protecting plu collar workers and bringing in workers that can add to the economy. this is a -- it's a really historic moment that happened today. the biggest proposed change that would take place in 50 years at a time in which you have automation that is replacing a lot of jobs in the unite