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that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. hey, katie. >> nice to see you. this hour on msnbc, the president in his own words, today the washington post published transscrips of donald trump's first phone calls with two foreign leaders. it gives an inside look at how he handles diplomacy. suggesting dangers to threats and insults. >> if you're going to say that mexico is not going toy pay for the wall, then i don't want to mean with you any more because i cannot live with that. >> and in a call to turnbil, i have been making calls all day and this is the most unpleasant call all day. putin was a pleasant call, this is ridiculous.
>> six months later, he has acknowledged his relationship between the u.s. and russia is at an all-time and very dangerous low. you can thank congress, he says, in a tweet this morning. the same people that can't even give us health care. our word of the day today is blame. which is what the president is laying at the feet of republican lead congress, a day after signing new sanctions into law. >> is congress to lame for our relationship with russia right now? what do you make of that statement? >> i try not to respond to tweets. i will say that look, the relationship that we have with russia is solely becau of putin. >> no president can blame congress -- >> he did reluctantly sign the sanctions bill. >> lashing out at congress and
not have the same type of harsh words for russia. >> one personal responsible for the state of the u.s. and russia relationship, and it is the person that our president seems intent not to blame. >> first, let's dig into more of those transcripts. back then, there was reports that the calls had not gone well, but now the full strans scripted of the transcripts published by the "washington post" confirm it. >> it has ultimately put him in "a political bind." i have to have mexico pay for the wall. i have to. i have been talking about it for a two year period. he goes on to say believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we're talking about. but politically this might be
the most important. trump later presses nieto to stop telling the media that mexico will not pay for the wall saying you cannot say that to the press because i cannot negotiate under those circumstances. they also clashed under a refugee deal struck under the obama administration. important to you and embarassing to me. it is an embarrassment to me, but at least i got you off of the hook so you put me back on the hook. with both leaders, he took time to toot his own horn as well. and to nieto, he brags about his election victory saying i won with a large percentage of hispanic voters. i had well over 30% and everyone was shocked to see this. i understand the community and
they understand me. kristen welker is joining us. greg, since you have the story of the day, we'll start with you. we knew the broad outhikes of these transcripts, why is someone leaking these now? >> i think they have been interested in reporting on the qualities as being pretty rough, and i think you learn a lot from the transcripts. if gives you a more complete picture of how he approaching a very central aspect of his job. how he relates to foreign leaders and in this case to united states allies. >> david, who has not been a big
supporter of this presidency, but a republican said this about these leaked transcripts, no leader will speak candidly on the phone to washington dc for the duration of this presidency and perhaps longer. no leader dare say anything to the president of the united states that he or she to get transcripts between the president and a world leader. what was the goal here in leaking these to the press and getting it out there. what are they trying to accomplish it and does he have a point? >> i don't want to talk to any degree about the sourcing for these documents. i think it is accurate to say it is extraordinary to see the documents like this surface
publicly. i think it is also fair to say these are extraordinary conversations for the president to be having with foreign leaders. he is trading two u.s. allies as if they were adversaries. he is preoccupied and fix saiatn his own policy. i think that, you know, at various points in these conversations, he really subjects the two foreign leaders to really abusive treatment. >> it does not look good for him, what is the white house saying about this? >>. >> the deputy press secretary says i can't confirm or deny the leaks classified documents. we will hear more from her today, she will answer reporters questions, but bottom line, you can tell that this is only
adding to the anger here at the white house directed at all of the leaks. the president says he want the to crack down on the leaks. i expect that just seven days into the new administration he is very fix saided on the poll numbers, the election victory, and building the wall. you were at so many rallies with him, and his very real concern about the optics of the mexican president digging in on this issue. >> for him to tell the mexican president that this is not the biggest issue, but politically
it is, to make the division in his words, saying this was a big deal, but only to say it was a big deal to my base of voters. glenn, walk me through that. >> well, look, you know there is a lot of interesting stuff. mozzletoff to greg and their staff for getting their hands on this. i read this two or three times, the statement on the wall towers above everything else. can you imagine if he had this kind of information with hillary clinton in the campaign. >> he would go all out with it. it is proof, he would say, that she is saying one thing and doing another. >> i remember a key clinton ally
suggested that she might revisit her position to tpp and the trump people went bananas on her. this is a monumental admission that he was talking out of both sides of his mouth. he said he can go on 5th avenue, and shoot someone, and he would not lose any support. >> what about this new hampshire line? glenn, he is diminishing and demeaning new hampshire. he said he won it. he said that it is a drug infested deen. what do you make of that? >> i have been to new hampshire, they have excellent pancakes. >> they do. >> he is talking like a man that perhaps does not intend to run
in another new hampshire primary. but a lot of the stuff that he says many private is just very, very consistent with what he says in public. i disagree with what he said that foreign leaders will not want to talk candidly. i think it is the opposite. . i think they come out looking more dignified, professional, and politically prudent. >> and the republican governor of new hampshire saying this is not what his state is about. the president is wrong, it is disappointing his mischaracterization of this epidemic ignores the good things this state has. he did campaign hard for solving the opioid crisis in that state. today we have the president lashing out at congress over russia saying the sanctions are
a bad idea. that they're creating programs dipmatical malomatically saying administration showed their weakness by handing over executive power to congress in the most humiliating way. >> the russian prime minister went much further in his fable statement on the issue saying that the american establishment would ultimately aim to remove trump from power. now the puppet prime minister, not an independent politician, used often in russian diplomacy as a warning of last resort. it is sort of a break with previous policies. they say this is a big read flashing warning from donald
trump to the kremlin. what does it show about russian foreign policy more generally? ever since the united states imposed banking sanctions on russia, together with their opinion in response to the illegal annexation of cry mimea the key plan has been removing sanctions. it is a credit crunch for the russian economy. growing like an emerging market. they are freeing the bonds that. so it has been an absolute priority leading to the daring operations which have seen them raech out to not only washington, but other capitals to attempt to flip these
sanctions. so what he is also saying is in a sense an admission of failure for the policy of courting trump and attempting to help trump might not have a chance for the results like they hoped. >> is it an admission of failure or just another way to try to get the influence at president. you had that scathing tweet towards our president, and instead of going after russia, he goes after congress. >> on his facebook statement, he gives up on the policy of trying to lift sanctions in the united states. he says this is the beginning of a very long trade war, and that russia will cope with them and that they will continue to move forward. so it is a statement to the russian people that sanctions
are not going to be lifted any time soon. ben juda, glenn thresh, greg, kristen welker over at the white house who had to leave, thank you. joining me now charlie dent. thank you for joining us. i want to stick on the story of russia, the president did sign that angsts bill, but he had deep reservations about it. we had this tweet today, essentially goading the president, and we don't see him go after the russians for this and say excuse me, it works as it does, our president has done after you in congress. >> well, the truth is that the problem is vladimir putin's russia. american policy toward rush that
will change. russia has annexed crimea. the correct response is that we will be sending antitank weapons to the ukrainian government. russia has been trying to rattle the european union any way they can. they behave badly, they deserve these sanctions, and the president should stand by it and push back on russia. >> you and a number of your colleagues say this every day, the president is no doubt hearing this. you sent him a strong message sending him this by saying you would override a veto if he chose to do that. why does he not want to follow congress's lead especially when the intelligence community says russia interfered.
>> i can't speak to his accommodati accommodationist feelings to russia. i wish he would take more conventional approach toward russia, just like a secretary mattis or mcmasters who have that view of russia. our country sack fited greatly over the last 70 years to help build a better europe, and we created a nato to keep the russians out and the germans down. i think the president must stand up and defend the world order that we work so hard to create along with our allies. i can't explain why the president doesn't embrace that more political view. >> so they are claiming language
in key talks. during the 20twilight yearsf the cold war. if we follow this political report in this key defensive bill, what happens next. are we preparing for a faceoff with ush srussia again? >> no, we want to deter russian aggressi aggression. i have been to lithuania and poland, believe me, they want us to take more of an aggressive posture toward russians. they think that will deter vladimir putin. we don want conflict with the russians, nobody does.
so we're saying we need to build up our armaments though to make sure they're deterred from doing anything. >> i think it is pretty rich for him to say, setting upon the poor russians gathering every day. putin says that everyone is a threat around him. there is a certain amount of pa paranoia. we have to push back. we don't want a conflict with russia, but we didn't enter ukraine or the baltics. >> what do you think happens if they do have a military style aggression in any of the baltic states or anything you mentioned. how does the president respond? >> we'll, look we're all part of na trk
nato. the president said he supports article five. i think it comes to that. i'm not yet convinced that putin does want to invade the baltics. i certainly hope he doesn't, but i think the best way to keep him out of the baltics is showing him that we're serious about ukraine, and we have to make him pay a price for his intervention in ukraine. they are begging us for lethal defensive weapons to deter the aggression. >> and that was taken out of the platform per the request of the trump campaign. pennsylvania congressman, charlie dent, really appreciate your time today sir, thank you for joining us. coming up, why both sides of capitol hill are determined
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. president trump's approval rating has hit a new low, just 33%. now he is go back to his base and his campaign basics to try to shore up those numbers. they are looking to cut illegal immigration by 50% in ten years while moving to a merit based system. the new proposal was sponsored by tom cotton and david purdue. support on capitol hill doesn't extend far beyond that. >> the illegal immigration system has not been the focus or the problem for the last several years. >> there are no lines of people lining up to pick fruit, work in slaughter houses, or poultry processing plants. >> this immigration proposal will not go anywhere because it would devastate the economy. >> according to the rauls
journal poul. they say it helping more than it hurts. the majority of trump supporters say it hurts more that it helps. >> director of the dreamt action coalition. let's start with you. does it have a chance of passing? if it does not, what is donald trump trying to achieve? >> in a word, katie, no. they have a very long list of to-dos and they having trouble getting through that one and adds troubles like this. i think you saw a couple, someone that worked on a so-called gang of eight, at the
end of the day, i don't think what senator tim scott said about i'll legal immigration being the problem, the view here is that that is not the core of the issue for trump's base. i think for trump's president, you need to shore up the numbers and get the base. that he is really doing something for them. those guys stood in my way, he said. >> senator tom cotton defended the bill earlier today on morning joe, take a listen. >>. >> it is not coincidental that the numberers have quad ruruplq.
>> so tom cannoten says he wants to protect the american worker. >> i think what senate eor cano is taking us back to a time where we prioritized white western person. we have seen undocumented immigrants pay over $1 billion in taxes every year. they were contributing to the economy in record numbers. i think it is just them, trump and the senators shoring up a base that is concerned, anxious, it is working, we need to modernize it. it a american citizens to bring in
their loved ones. >> they say you're prioritizing people who speak english. that seemed to say you want people from the uk and australia, basically western europeans, and steve miller pushed back on that and said there was a cosmopolitan access. >> let them go to countries where people are migrating to learn english. i can tell you that his ancestors and many in the us, they were italian or german and they did not speak english. it doesn't say give me english speakers, it says bring me
anyone that has -- focusing not just on skill, but on attributions. >> is anyone worried about going up against the president. they believe that legal immigration hurts more than it helps american workers. >> i don't think so. they don't really have to do anything to prevent it from becoming law. they just have to not bother with it. are we seeing it more and more from congress that they're just deciding to let trump be trump? >> if your becoming a lame duck president six months in? >> i don't think we're quite at that point yet. everything the president says
and does is having an impact, but i think there is an increasing level of frustration, and it will be a real test to see if it is a republican party or a midterm party for president trump. >> it might seem like a long time, but i promise you it is not a long time at all. kacie hunt, caesar vargas, thank you for being with me today. remember when president trump said this in february? >> we must ensure that our courageous servicemen and women have the tools they need to deter -- we have to win, we have to start winning wars again. >> the president has become increasingly frustrated that we're losing america's longest
war. 8,000 troops are in harm's way every day, just yesterday two american service members were killed by a suicide bomber near the city of candihar. they said a fuming president suggested in the situation room two weeks ago that his defense secretary fire his top commander in afghanistan, general john nicholson. they sat down with hr mcmaster to ask him directly. >> do you have confidence in the commander? >> yes, i have known him many years. >> so does secretary mattis and the president? >> absolutely. >> carol lee is joining me now, wonderful reporting on this.
take me behind the scenes, what was that meeting like? >> it was very tense. it lasted about two hours. all of the president's top advisors and national security team were there, and they were going into the meeting hoping they would make a new decision. it has been going on for months. he asked for more information, he was dissatisfied with the options. and he suggested multiple times that they fire the commander in afghanistan, and he said maybe we should set up a meeting because the president has not met him, but at the end of the meeting, he did not make a decision and he left frustrated. other presidents have had to grapple similarly with this issue. >> has he made an point to meet with that general yet?
>> our understanding is that he has not. >> carol lee, thank you very much. wonderful to have you as part of our network. i want to bring in ed markey of massachusetts. thank you for joining us. talking about afghanistan, should there be a shake up? things are not going well. >> he is the commander in chief, but in reality he is just the complainer in chief. he has a responsibility for deciding what strategy should be. he compares his four-star generals to a consultant to a four-star restaurant up in new york city in terms of how bad that consultants advice was. >> he was trying to say maybe we should talk to people on the
ground to find out what they think. he has gotten good advice from people not at the top. does he have a point? is it time to change things up there? >> if he wants to change things up, he should have a meeting where he announces what the new strategy is. the generals have presented him with options in afghanistan. they're there in front of him, the responsibility down the chain to the generals and those behind him. if he wants to change policy, if he wants to "win" in afghanistan, he should sit there, bring people in again. the strategies have been presented to him, and make a decision. but this scapegoating of generals, waiting for the commander and chief to do his
job, it is just inappropriate and wrong. >> how do you define a win in afghanistan? >> that's what we're waiting to see. when he gooive that's speech, w will have a debate and see if we agree. >> senator ed markie of massachusetts, thank you for join us. >> thank you, ahead, more of the mooch. more aud from his angry call with a reporter. and "on the road again." president trump goes to west virginia for a campaign style rally. his rate iings are near record lows, but what are they saying in a state he won by nearly 40 points? his is humira.
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he promised he would make a big announcement. donald trump won by more than 40 points, his largest margin of victory in any state. a new poll puts it at just 30%. joining me now me now is matt, so good to see you. obviously west virginia voters are going to give him a little more time, but 77%, that is just not a good number is it? >> yeah, i think that nobody wants to see those numbers when you're president. i worked for president george w. bush in his first term, and by the end of his second term he was facing low networks as well.
this is early for the administration to see these numbers and i think it is an indicator for those of us that really like what president trump is doing on the agenda, there has been a lot of turbulence with the leaks and the stories about the team in the west wing. i'm gratified with general kelly coming in and i think they will get to a better place on the process of stories. >> what do you think about the president still tweeting. general kelly has not been able to cut down on this. >> i think there is a twitter obsession on the part of everyone's part. >> we would stop talking about it if he would stop tweeting these things. >> i'm not so much worried about if he tweets or not, i want to see the white house have a real
strategy. he gets frustrated when people are not using the words he wants them to use, it is atypical, but you a president being his own maj major spokesperson. part of that would be that the president would not feel like he had to put out strong messages. we have the reporting from the over day saying he was crafting don junior's statement, dictating it on air force one. the white house saying he had nothing to do with it, but there seems to be a daily disconnect. between what they are doing and what they're saying he is doing. i want to give you another portion of this q poll. this is showing the president losing support among key blocks
of voters. white men, 60% approve, 48 disapprove. these were key parts of his voting block. what does he have to do in order to keep those numbers from going down any further. after all, if he loses them, it will be hard to see how he gets a win in 2020. >> i think what happened to him is he has been a victim of a lot of stories. >> is he the victim matt, or -- >> he is the victim of a lot of processed sorries or at least you can say they don't put him in the best light. if you look at the policies he is trying to implement, with his reporters he is very popular on those issues. when you have the west wing
intrigue, between the policy they are trying to implement, that's where the numbers start to get fuzzy. think when they get back on track for talking about the supporters. i think he and a lot of republicans have the ability to bring a unique coalition like they did in the last election. >> do you want to see him push back harder or keep acting the way he has been acting? >> i want him to push back harder on china. i think it would be good to get to a place with russia where we can do business together on the things we agree with. i think russia is a menace, and hopefully putin will get the message that he cannot continue to under mine our elections with cyber hacking and spying.
>> does he get that message when trump says he saying he is signing it begrudgingly. >> i know a lot of foreign policy experts on my board at the american conservative union that don't think this is the right way to deal with russia, but this is where we are as a country. the country has spoken clearly, and putin hea it, and that's why he is expelling our american personnel. we're in a trade ward, and a war of words with russia, let's see what happens. >> republicans were pushing those sanctions as well. >> it was a bipartisan over whelming vote. no question about that. >> matt, it is wonderful to see you, i would like to see you more often on my show. so say yes.
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the 2018 midterm elections are just over 15 months away. apparently the guys down there are pretty excited about that. kentucky democrat and retired fighter pilot amy mcgrath already her campaign for congress and her announcement video has gone viral. >> when i was 12 years old i exactly what i wanted to do when i grew up. i wanted to fly fighter jets and land on aircraft carriers, because that's the toughest flying you can do. when i was 13 my congressman told me i couldn't fly in combat. he said congress thought women ought be protected and not allowed to serve in combat. i never got a letter back from any senator mitch mcconnell. i then wrote every member of the house and senate armed services kmes asking them to change the law. i said they just hadn't met me yet and i knew i could do it, but most of them told me i
couldn't. then i got into the naval academy and wouldn't you know? that's when they changed the law. i'm a.m. mcgrath and i love our country. i spent 20 years as a u.s. marine, spent 29 combat missions. i was the first woman marine to fly in an f. 18 in combat and i got to land on aircraft carriers. >> and joining us now is that congressional candidate and kentucky denial, amy mcgrath. thank you very much for joining us. my first question to you is you live in a red state, why do you think you have a good chance of winning? >> well, it's nice to be with you, indicate why i. i think i have a good chance of winning because i think people just want different candidates that come from all walks of life that really are just speaking to them. they want americans. they want americans that stand up and be leaders. they want them to tackle the issues of the day, and they just -- they're tired of standard politicians. and i'm somebody that i've served my country my entire
life. and to me this is just an extension of public service. >> so why do you think as a combat veteran you're going to bring something unique to the table? >> well, i think this is what the founders wanted. the founders wanted people from all walks of life to come to the table. i may not have a political background, but i have an extensive background in national security and other issues. and those are the types of things that we need to have in congress. we need to have people of all different walks of life. >> what is the democratic message right now? >> well, i think the democratic message, at least in kentucky, the one that i'm talking about is health care. i mean, that's the number one issue. the affordable care act has done a lot of good in kentucky for a lot of kentuckians. we've gone from over 20% uninsured rate down to single digits in the state. so let's not throw it away, what the republicans want to do is basically scrap it. that's not us. we're america. leegts not throw this away w. we didn't throw away medicare.
we didn't throw away social security. we tweaked it. we fixed it. this is what we do. let's not give up. and i think that's what we need to do here. >> so, listen, trump has a base of support. nobody denies that. and often times when something goes wrong in congress say health care does not get passed or some sort of impasse happens, what his supporters will say is that, hey, listen, congress isn't working with him. they're not doing what he's asking them to do. and they don't put the own us on donald trump himself. rather they put the own us on congress. so how do you battle that in a state like kentucky which voted for donald trump and for the republicans? how do you battle this idea that i'm going to, you know, let donald trump do his thing and i'm just going to blame the congress for it, but ultimately i'd rather have a republican there because a republican is more likely to help donald trump than a democrat? >> well, i mean, the republicans own the house and the senate right now. our two senators from kentucky
are republicans, so, you know, i don't know what you would say if trump's not getting his agenda pushed through. he's a republican president -- >> well, what are you saying to nem? because a lot of these voters will say, listen, this is not the president's fault and this is congress's fault. if we have more republicans in power, then he's going to be able to get things done. so when you're talking to the voters in kentucky, what do you say to them to say, hey, listen, he isn't getting anything done. it's not because he's not getting any back up. it's because he doesn't have a coherent message? >> well, i think that the president has made a lot of promises and i don't think he's -- i think many voters are disappointed in him for not following through with those promises. and, yes, he has a republican house and a republican senate, but this is government. this isn't big business. this is the government of the united states. we had this thing called the constitution, and we have to work within what the foun ders gave us. that's what being an american is
and that's what our government is all about. >> would you vow to work with the other side? >> absolutely. that's what we need. that's why hiem running. we have to fix these problems in a bipartisan by and we have to start talking together like adults again. >> can i get one of those bomber jackets? i love that jacket? your ad, by the way. i was jealous of it. it looked great. >> absolutely. it's a -- >> you have to fly a fighter jet to get one of those. >> yes, katy. >> retired marine corps lieutenant amy mcgrath. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, katy. >> and one more thing right when we come back.
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well, one more thing before we go. anthony scaramucci may be gone from the white house, but that interview with a reporter, well, it will live forever. >> reince is bleep paranoid schizophrenic paranoiac what he's going to do is, oh, maybe bill shine is coming, let me leak something and then see ific block these people. he leaked stuff on me. you know my financial disclosure has been leaked to politico, which is a flown. >> but i wanted to ask you if you wanted to be profiled -- >> i don't, i don't want to be prefiled. i'm not steve bannon. >> what you're trying to do, what you're trying to do. >> i'm not steve bannon. m not trying to i'm not -- i'm here to serve the country. >> the new yorker released audio
of reporter reason lizza's phone call with the former white house communications director. scaramucci maintained it the conversation may have been on the record legally, in quotes, but it was the record in, quote, spirit. after rumors of a press briefing tomorrow scaramucci tweeted today no press event tomorrow. stay tuned. and with that, i will to say things over to my colleague ali velshi. >> there's a lot of bleepg out there. y hear that part where he was talking about steve bannon. what was he saying -- >> he was saying in the i am mortal words of brian williams that steve bannon may have been a jim nas. >> katy terr, have a great afternoon. this afternoon we're going to take a peek behind the curtain. remember those first few days of the presidency the calls he was making to world leaders. we wondered, oh, to be a fly on the wall. his conversation with the mexican president after a campaign spent telling the american people who exactly would be paying for that wall. and then that highly