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away. fwz as close as the public can get to the white house south lawn which is not that close. according to the intelligencer, the artist behind the design was commissioned to create something rooster like in honor of the rooster being this year's zodiac animal. he tez l. sasaid the resemblanc president is coincidental. i don't noechlt i thought that was possibly a bizarre kfc ad or something that this is the latest attempt at getting the colonel. >> we're going to get to the bottom of this rooster story. >> you got it. good to see you, chuck. paul man i for the said he was cooperating with the russia investigation. today we're learning the fbi had a very different view and that's why the fbi raided paul manifort's home.
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the fbi surpriseded paul maniforn a predawn raid of his home in july. first reported home raid in a special counsel's investigation into russia ties according to a new "washington post" report. the raid came after he privately spoke to senate investigators and gave him the notes from that controversial trump tower meeting with the russians. now that is a key detail. manifort said he was handing over evidence voluntarily. so why did the fbi knock down his door to get that very evidence? the answer is important. this shows that he is a pry art in the russia probe. they're going at him first. two, this raid shows that mueller is following the money. the search includes scrutinizing his financial dealings around the world. three, the fbi cannot legally
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just raid anyone's home. it must prove to a judge there is good reason to think that ma manifort's home had evidence of a crime. a judge my approve such a raid if investigators showed that he could not be trusted to turn over all records in response to say a grand jury spp. now that is crucial. a federal judge had to find cause that there was evidence of a crime in manafort's home. a judge would have reason to think that there was evidence of a specific crime in the location to be searched, since it was manafort's house searched, it is likely he is implicated in the crimes but that might not necessarily be the case. translation, investigators have cause to think there is evidence in manafort's house that somebody committed a crime. this is a very high level raid.
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mu mueller must have weighed the pros and cons to keep a defendant from destroying anything. mueller's approval to go that route shows he was willing both to shake manafort up and to communicate that they're playing this aggressively. that is an explanation from harry lipman. he will join me along with two former watergate prosecutors, a reporter and chairman of the dnc in a moment on this big story. we begin with "washington post" reporter. what were investigators looking for and why did this story break now? >> it broke now is now is when we were able done firm it to put in the paper. there were rumors that such a raid occurred and took a little work to nail it all down and get the details right. a raid is a thing that ultimately is hard to keep secret. it may be a little bit surprising that it kept for as long as it did.
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when you show up with fbi jackets, people can see that and it generally gets out. >> do you know if he informed anyone in the white house circle about this at the time? >> i don't know the answer to that question. i've seen this sm talk online noting on the same morning of the raid the president tweeted with the special counsel investigation. but we just don't know if he was actually aware of the raid when he did that or if that just happened to be a coincidence. >> right. fast naturi fascinating you have such a big story on your hands. i want to bring in harry lipman, prosecutor for the u.s. army, nick ackerman, frances ka chambers and a former governor and former dnc chairman howard dean. nick, this is big. when you were doing watergate, did you execute a search warrant
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like there? >> never. this is absolutely extraordinary. it means not only does they have an n. a very detailed affidavit this is a document that is provided to a judge. it puts together all of the investigation that's been done to show probable cause, reason to believe that a crime was committed and evidence of that crime could actually be found in paul manafort's home. in is a major step and i can't believe that mule woehr have done this without having really solid evidence to go into a federal district court judge with to get a search warrant. >> harry, continue on the point i quoted about what you say this means. >> sure. they had the evidence but they didn't have to do the predawn raid. that is what you do with drug defendants and criminals is meant to send a message. mueller is not a grandstander that way.
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but a message to potential co-defendant that co-defendants, look, you may be used to general treatment but there is not a gentleman's game. you're looking at jail time, at being treated like a common criminal. you better think very carefully about whether you want to cooperate. and i think this has a sort of seismic collateral effect within the white house. everyone has to look around and see who is next, who is cooperating, who isn't? all the while trying to figure out what to do with north korea. >> you say your experience this is seismic and we know other potential witnesses work. joe, speak tlos harry's point that we see this kind of maneuver, a secret and aggressive raid in drug cases and other criminal cases because there's no belief or expectation that those potential suspects or defendants will cooperate with grand jury subpoenas.
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obviously in, more corporate settings what you see is an orderly grand jury request and then the documents and other evidence provided. do you agree, jill that, this suggests potentially investigators belief that manafort would not provide materials? in other words, break the law on an on going basis? >> it certainly sounds like that could be the reason for asking for a search warrant is to get thicks y things you don't think will be produced. it's a message to other witness that's says if you this don't produce everything that expect they may face this raid on their home, something that will embarrass them with their neighbors and will become a public issue. so it can be effective tool. >> roz, you reported on the search for the documents about this now infamous trump tower meeting with folks promising dirt on hillary clinton on behalf of the kremlin. you reported basically
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manafort's notes can provide information about what was said at the meeting and how participants responded back in july. do you have any indication that this is now in mueller's hands and what that means? >> with you don't know exactly. we do know that some of the records that were taken from manafort's home included documents that have been used to prepare his congressional testimony. so it stands to reason since he was testifying about that meeting that those notes or materials that we flekted the conte -- reflected the content shows that it included bank records and tax records belonging to mr. manafort. it's important to remember that it appears the special counsel has consolidate the investigation that's had been underway into mr. man afort's work in ukraine and potentially how he accounted for money he
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was paid by political consulting contracts in ukraine. >> right. that is fascinating that that foreign money trail is also part of this. nick ackerman and then francesca. one, would these notes about this famous meeting with the russians be exculpatory to paul manafort? and, two, is it good or bad for paul manafort? >> we don't know. i it this big evidence -- seven talking about documents here. but fit were if it were me, all search warrants include compute aer ers and data to be seized. i think the real proof -- >> you say data. does that mean that paul manafort texted a friend or a family member, that same day and said you'll never believe the meeting i just had. that is something they could have gotten out of his home? >> sure. they could have gotten that out of the computer. they could have seized his phones. they could have seized usb
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sticks. all kinds of data devices. and that's where they're going really find the evidence. if you go back to that june 9th meeting, certainly what i would be looking for are all of the connections voun connections vounlding tha connections surrounding. that i would look it you unallocated space of the computers to determine whether document has been destroyed. >> which itself would be a felony. francesca said this is seismic in his legal view. do you agree with that assess ment or what is playing out today? >> the white house isn't saying much on this topic at all. i'm at the white house now. but most of the white house is either next door at eisenhower office building or in new jersey with the president today. now i did have a chance to speak with paul manafort's spokesperson and they're not saying much on this topic either. they're saying that he is cooperating and they confirm that there was in fact a raid. but whether or not he has been
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called before the grand jury at this point is something that they're not revealing. >> roz, you also write another piece, there are so many pieces to this story right now that we want to get to and building on what francesca is saying about how it's playing out. you say manafort's allies, i take that as people are sympathetic. fear, mueller hopes to build a case against manafort unrelated to the 2016 campaign sow would provide information against others in trump's inner circle and in exchange for less ening the exposure. a fascinating sentence do. they fear that because they think there is a criminal case against him in unrelated matters or they fear that just generally? >> well, i would say that's a pretty classic technique of a federal prosecution. you build a case against one guy, bring it against him and urge him to cooperate and share what he knows about others. to get the bigger fish. i think they fear it because
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it's a terrible legal position for any person to be in. it's also been suggested to me that he in fact zrblt any information to share about other membersst trump campaign. that's typically what people say regardless whast ultimate outcome is going to be. >> governor dean, we just went through a lot of the law and the investigative tools here. talk us to about the right way to hand this will sort of thing if you're a chief executive and any potential politics that you see in this charged inquiry. >> well, the politics is extraordinary. but i it this legal stuff is much, much tougher. you know, there was a manafort friend, roger stone who was a notorious, these guys have been playing with the russians and russian stooges for a very long time. i think the notion mueller hopes to build another case and get mania ford manafort is a good one. they have taken large amounts of money. that is public record.
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the ledger sheets have been in the newspapers. you get large amounts of money, you don't pay american taxes on it. that's a problem too. this say very deep potential case. the manafort say guy playing along the edges for a very, very long time with some incredibly unscrupulous people. i think it's unlikely they're not going to find something that he's going to wish they didn't find. and that is -- that's going to help them turn. >> governor, you're mentioning there is this kremlin backed figure from ukraine that basically had manafort as a multimillion dollar, you know, paid consultant and adviser in that whole money show for a long time. governor, if you are looking at this from the position of what is best for the united states, what should the people who still work at the white house or linked to this and the president himself do today now that everyone is learning the fbi,
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nonpartisan, was so concerned about this that they knocked down his door in the morning essentially, not with the grand jury but secretly so they could get all this stuff. what should we be hearing from the white house? >> what we should be hearing from the white house is we'll give you whatever you want and we'll be happy to open our records. i think that's incredibly unlikely given this president who has taken lots of russian money. so that's the problem. it's almost too late to make a clean rest of it because there's a lot of stuff in there. and we'll find out if it's criminal or not. twhauven sun fold brg our eyes because of roz's reporting. thank you to roz, governor dean, nick, and harry stay with me. i really appreciate your expertise. coming up, who else should worry about the potential fbi raids? does cooperation stop that knock on the door? and trump now reportedly was ad lib wleg made that major threat
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the fbi surprised paul manafort on the early morning hours there on july 26th, predawn, no warning. this raid came a day after manafort spoke to congressional investigators and then tees up a major question. what does it mean to cooperate with the russia inquiries? how does this approach compare to other fbi crime raids and do other individuals in the trump administration or orbit say they're cooperating, do they as we were discussing earlier, do they have to worry about having that knock on their front door? was this specific to manafort's
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situation? i'm telling you now, we may be hearing a lot about the word cooperation. >> i think it's a very clear sign from special counsel mueller they're not messing around, they're serious about this investigation. they're going to demand cooperation. >> they're going to demand cooperation. back with me former watergate special prosecutor nick ackerman and senior doj official harry litman. you said you have overseen over 100 of these kinds of knock raids that are judge approved. how do you get them approved and what is the purpose, the point of surprising someone in the morning like that? >> generally you get them approved by showing there is probable cause that there seis evidence of a crime there and you want to do it to keep any evidence from being destroyed. i suggested here that there is an ancillary reason which has to do with, you know, sending a
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message to not only manafort but to other co-defendants including, you know, this is an important point that struck me. the logic of going after manafort for the old financial dealings with the pro russian ukrainon forces is identical from going after or investigating president trump himself for his financial dealings with russian entities over the last ten years. in other words, mueller has shown himself willing to cross the so-called red line that trump drew about financial dealings pre2016. that sets things up for major showdown. >> major showdown and one that some potential analysts or allies of donald trump are already turning back into an tack on rod rosenstein.
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take a listen to shawn hannity. >> the russia investigation which is overseen about it dpu at the attorney general is beyond corrupt, beyond political and is now turned into an open ended fishing expedition and just like robert mueller, rod rowsenstein has glaring conflicts of interest that we can no longer ignore. >> is there evidence for the idea that rowssenstein is corru? >> he has no idea what he is talking b paul manafort was the campaign manager for donald trump. ien into is a very high official in the trump campaign. the allegation here is exclusion between the trump campaign and the russians. mueller would not have gone into a federal district court judge without real powerful evidence on three points. one, that a crime was committed.
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two, that there is evidence of that crime in manafort's house. and, three, there was a real danger that somebody would destroy that evidence and couldn't use the regular process of a subpoena. >> right. >> there is a big deal. >> and that evidence, harry, is potentially contemporaneous. data we discusses or the money trail. put the money trail from an investigator's per inspective in the context of the fact that no money allegedly ever went from donald trump's campaign to paul manafort. he was the most senior volunteer in the history of american politics. >> yeah. it has to be the latter. there is no doubt that there was going to get the notes from the june 16th meeting. he already turned them over to the house. so they must be interested in the sorts of financial records and you're exactly right. it's not records that deal with trump exactly. it's those that deal with manafort's own adventures in the
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ukraine. so in that sense, it's like other special counsel prosecution where they were looking at crimes specific to the person they were going after like web hubble as a way of turning the defendant into a cooperator and into someone who would fess up and give the information he knows against the bigger fish. >> you both taught us a lot. three highlights that come out to me is number one, you execute this raid because you want something other than the notes. number, two you want to surprise the individual so there is some fbi belief the individual might be engaged in a flownous cover-up or obstruction. and number three, you're looking at money from a guy who didn't take money from the donald trump campaign which during the campaign was always odd. he said he was doing it as a matter of service and belief. now obvious lit fbi might be looking at other reasons. nick and harry, thank you both for teaching us so much tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> now, the other story, of course, also significant.
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new reports president trump was ad libbing when he threatened north korea with fire and fury. "the new york times" reporting that after the piece of paper you may have seen trump looking at was not about north korea. it was a fax sheet on the oip ow opioid crisis. the warning was, gentlemen, john kelly the retired marine general who has taken over as white house chief of staff. new this hour, north korea is now fully responded to the fire and fury threat saying it's a load of nonsense and vowing to finalize attack plans on the u.s. territory of guam by mid august. i'm joined by a former carter
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administration official and wesley clark, supreme commander and now a senior fellow at the ucla center. general, your thoughts on all of these developments? >> first of all, it's no surprise that north koreans have managed to miniaturize nuclear weapons. they' they're reasonably competent people. despite the efforts of u.s. anti-pro livation efforts, they were going to reach this point. they believe this is essential for their regimes to survive. so they're not likely to give it up. so there is a big shock now as this intelligence report came out. but the truth is we have deterred north korea attacks on the south since the korean war. sometimes there was a little open conflict but we deterred them. they knew they would be destroyed if they actually launched another major attack. that deterence still holds. what we need to do now is dekaes
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la deescalate the rhetoric and make sure they understand that their acquisition of a nuclear arms ballistic missile changes nothing. they'll still be destroyed if they do anything. and maybe there's a way of giving them greater reassurance using economic sanctions, so forth. but got to be very careful what we say publicly. >> exactly. you talk about being careful. rick this is sort of the opposite of careful. it's made up on the spot. i would note a lot of people took fire and fury to mean a certain type of weapon. in a way, although this is not good for the president, it's not as bad as it looked if people said that means x. when it didn't maybe mean anything. >> i think he was just very -- you said that this wasn't
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scripted. i think it was scripted in this sense, he thought up that phrase fire and fury. when you watch the full segment of his saying it, it certainly appears that way. because he goes back to it. >> all right. let's play it and then we'll get your thoughts on it. so viewers can see again. here was president trump making the remarks heard around the world. we don't have it? i thought we had it. well, we had it at one point. but he basically says they best not test us. we have this -- we're going to have fire and fury. >> right. and that's a very -- that's not a phrase you come up with on the spot. >> we have it, let's take a listen. >> north korea best not make any
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more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. >> then he goes on to say fire and fury again. this was not cleared with anyone. can anyone think of anyone that is close enough to him? >> we heard a lot of complaints about leaks. the people who leaked this information were in that room looking at the piece of paper and speaking on behalf of the national security team s this people close to the generals trying to make it clear that they weren't a part of this? >> it's inconceivable to me that the president of the united states would react publicly this way with this kind of a statement without at least his chief of staff and the white
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house national security team clearing a statement. i never heard of a president ad libbing like this especially a president that is not experienced in foreign affairs. it raises a lot of concerns about the direction of u.s. policy. and i say that for this reason. because when i hear the administration say it's intolerable that north korea has the missiles and the nuclear weapons, it won't be permitted, that's what the president said at other times, where's that coming from? what it is connected to? if you articulate the goals like this you get in the same position as saying that we're going to get rid offal asod and someone says, well how? and then you're left with, well, i'm going to look to the military. and we have looked at the military for years. there's no filt option here. so what is it that we're actually pointing toward? what i'm concerned about is i don't want to see the united
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states march down the road to diplomatic failure here. and it's all about settling the right context and then having the right objectives. >> right. general clark, i appreciate that. i appreciate your context for the fewers. yufr saying let's dial it down. thank you so much. now up next, president trump promised to help with the opioid crisis. why is he rejecting some of own experts and what we're now learning about the propaganda packets in the oval office. pass please. i'm here to fix the elevator. nothing's wrong with the elevator. right. but you want to fix it. right. so who sent you? new guy. what new guy? watson. my analysis of sensor and maintenance data indicates elevator 3 will malfunction in 2 days. there you go. you still need a pass. there you go. you myour joints...thing for your heart...
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some of america's problems get the least attention. drug problems affect millions affecting work, health and crime and taking the lives of 30,000 people on an annual basis, that is 91 overdoses a day. many hope that president trump's talk about opioids will lead to action. some of the ideas are promising like declaring a national emergency on all this. putting money towards treatment. and looking at alternatives to absence only programs including those pursued about it obama administration. then the president spoke yesterday and he made it clear he is actually rejecting some of the his own commission's policy ideas in favor of this. >> so we can keep them from going on and maybe by talking to youth and telling them no good really bad for you in every way. but if they don't start, it will never be a problem. >> tackling complex health
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challenges of drug addiction as if they are only a matter of personal discipline has a long history. >> say yes to your life. and whether it comes to drugs and alcohol, just say no. >> this is your brain. and this is heroin. this is what happens to your brain after snorting heroin. >> those ads often ended with someone asking any questions? and the answer is, yeah. what do do you if you're already dakted and first time abusers, should they be treated in a hospital or prison? the trump administration's already answering these kind of questions with their own policy. they proposed cuts to the control office and also cuts to the prevention programs. and they degraded the use of oep identifies as replacing one with another and taken a hard line approach towards drug use reminiscent of the war on drugs
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as mother jones opioid reporter explains shechlt joins me now along with rick burke, executive editor of staff news, a publication focused on medicine and health and, of course, dr. governor howard dean back us with who worked on these issues from health and policy perspectives. appreciate all being here. julia, what do you think of what trump has rolled out? >> well, you know, yesterday a lot of us were expecting him after he said that he had a big opioid announce mement, we were expecting him to declare a state of emergency. that something that the opioid commission had recommended to him last week. that is definitely not what happened. what happened yesterday as we just saw was he was basically recommending exclusively law enforcement tactics to combat this drug epidemic. s so he wanted to increase mandatory sentencing. he wanted to crack down on drug dealers.
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he wants to crack down on the mexican border. there was almost no mention of treatment for active drug users. >> right. >> there was not very well informed mention of prevention. we know already that just say no does not work. people learn that the hard way. >> let me take that to dr. dean. they're cutting prevention programs in the proposed budget. >> right. i think anybody who takes donald trump seriously as president of the united states is making a mistake. so it may not be -- he did say essentially nothing nonsense and pap yesterday. and maybe that's good. maybe the states are going to be the twhaunz have to really deal with this. we learned a lot. interestingly enough, i actually banned purdue pharmaceuticals from my form larry when i was governor and medicaid governor 20 years ago. i knew it was incredibly addicting.
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and that's really in many way what's started all this. and then when they had to reformulate the drug so it couldn't be cooked and snorted, heroin became the cheap substitute. that's really how this exploded. i don't think we'll get any help from trump at all. sessions has no idea what they're doing. i'm not sure price has any idea what's going on. the states are on their own here. disease this is a disease. this is not some choice by evil people. this is a disease. we have to treat it as a disease. should we go after the pushers? sure. but the low level pushers that are easy to go after are only feeding their own habits. they have to go after the kingpins. and the nonsense that we'll have a wall from mexico that is going to stop this stuff being imported is asinine. first of all, most of it doesn't come over the mexican border anyway it comes from china and afrg. >> does the trump administration have the balance that governor
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is proposing as looking at this as a health issue or not. >> it's interesting what the governor said about purdue pharma. we're in litigation right now with purdue trying to get the company to unseal documents about opioids and the whole genesis of the opioid epidemic. the genesis is not -- and the problem isn't necessarily law enforcement. it's legal drug that's have led to this opioid epidemic. i think that is something that i'm not clear that the trump administration is seeing eye-to-eye with many of the experts. the other thing i'd say, julia's mentioned the expectation yesterday that the president would declare a national emergency, a national crisis on this, i talked to michael right before that announce ment, the former michael is a former obama drug czar. i said what do you think of this
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thing that we thought trump was going to announce? and he said, you know, it has merit. even obama's drug czar was thinking declaring a national emergency. >> that's the whole issue here hitting on. exactly. and julia, this is a commission that made some good points. and then as with many other things, none of that seemed to go upstream to the president. even though it's his commission, speak to that and the political context we know from the president's unvarnished thoughts when he talked about winning new hampshire which he did win in the primary not the general. wo i won new hampshire because it's a drug infested dead. >> he's at a cross roads. he's getting advice from jeff sessions and the attorney general's office generally to crack down on drug dealers and on illegal immigration and things like. that on the other hand, he has this report that recently came out from the commission that he created to give him
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recommendations on what to do about opioids. en that report came out last week. did it not mention law enforcement. almost at all. but what did it mention a lot was increasing access to treatment and to opioids and to a lot of things that would help people who are daaddicted get better. and so he sort of has to choose at this point. and to howard dean's point, it's kind of unclear what he's going to do. he didn't really say much yesterday. >> yeah. we're sort of out of time. he said almost nothing but left people with the impression and what sessions is doing with the impression that they're going hard on manld torre sentences and not doing rest of it. the report is a good read. i'm sorry we're out of time. i hope we can return to this topic. julia, rick, and dr. dean, thank you. >> thank you. >> what if the propaganda is coming from inside the white house? a new report that president trump's team is giving him a folder of only good news to read. life, life
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they say the truth hurts. a new report suggests that mr. trump may be getting a distorted picture of current events because he gets false information. gets a packet full of positive only news all about himself twice a day. a 25-page packet with screen shots of good cable news pictures like you might see on this channel admiring tweets, transcripts of tv interviews, praise stories and pictures of trump on tv looking powerful. all of this may shed light on all sorts of moments in trump history as well as the future of trump information. krt launch of trump tv. >> thank you as we provide you the news of the week from trump tower. en that is the real news. >> i don't know about. that i'm going to go right to it.
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a real news professor. he writes the press write blog at new york university and a thoughtful critic of what all of us do. so thank you for being here. >> thanks. you look at the propaganda file, does it matter if donald trump is misinforms when he misinforms the public? >> as a lawyer you know we live in a system of checks and balances. and one of the checks on the president was reality itself. with trump, that has become a kind of obstacle to his agenda and to his psychology. he can't actually handle a reality check. and that is why this spice report is so interesting. the staff is solving a kind of problem for him which is that he can't survive a reality check and they're giving him the positive news. >> yeah, the question is how do you solve a problem like reality? and then you were writing about we're going to put on the screen, trump as an information
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source. and there is a study looking at the trustworthiness of different sources of information. and what people think is not trustworthy. so at the top, you have, you know, occupy democrats. brightbart and trump. walk at the top, you have, occupy democrats, breitbart and trump. walk us through this chart. those are the least trusted. >> yeah. so trump is here presented as an information source in himself. widely mistrusted, compared to the others. what i think is so interesting about this way of displaying the information, is that you know, one of the big trends in the presidency over the last decades has been the growth of executive power. and each president has assumed more and more power. over who will be trusted as a source of information.
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>> he's using taxpayer dollars, public resources to do that. here's one thing that hasn't gotten enough attention. anthony scaramucci saying something about trump that was then changed in the government transcript that we pay for. take a look. >> i've seen this guy throw a dead spiral through a tire. i've seen him at madison square garden with a top coat on. he is standing in the key. he's hitting foul shots and swishing they will. he sinks three foot putts. >> he sinks three foot putts. the government transcript says 30. >> that's an expression of this idea that executive power is so majestic that it can extend to reality itself. and that's what the aides are doing in that report. what's trump is doing when he's discrediting the main stream media. it is a new concept in democracy that we can survive an executive who tries to redefine what is real in the world. >> fascinating.
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a constant urge to move. if someone you know is suffering from schizophrenia they may also be struggling with akathisia: a common side effect of some schizophrenia medications. learn more at myakathisia.com. the senate is on recess but republicans aren't taking a recess from infighting. trump throwing shade at mitch mcconnell saying i had excessive expectations. he was responding to this. >> our new president in this line of work -- and i think excessive expectations about how quickly things happen. in the democratic process. so part of reason i think people feel like we're underperforming
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is because too many artificial deadlines unrelated to the reality and the complexity of legislating may not have been fully understood. >> not fully understood. i'm joined by the former editor, and political contributor of trump cast. er virginia, what is mitch mcconnell trying to do here? >> i love that you caught this throwing shade but this was not a anthony scaramucci rant. he is at a distance. he makes a whimsical joke about something we know to be true which the president is not in this line of work and the hand done this before. that was a selling point. that shouldn't offend anyone. >> i think you're being very fair. but ira, he has to know no matter how measured the comment, donald trump will clap back.
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>> and look, this is a fight that republicans don't need. donald trump is already in a fight with north korea, he is in a fight with the press. the last thing he needs is a fight with mitch mcconnell. they're supposed to be on the sail side. mr. mcconnell's wife is trump's transportation secretary. so the fact this has degenerated to this level, it is another example of trump turning governance into reality tv. and it is pretty disappointing. >> as a conservative, do you think this is something the president should have left alone? >> well, i think mcconnell started it. and if he thinks trump's expectations are unrealistic, he ought to say that to the president privately. he doesn't need to get in a public disparaging match. >> virginia, it is very 2017 for
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our political analysis to be, well, mcconnell started it. i take his point. it depends how far you go. donald trump originally tweeted, the outdated filibuster rule must go. the budget reconciliation is killing rs in the senate. >> of course we want to make the a world wrestling federation thing. i think conservatives may be excited about it because they don't want to see more infighting. liberals are excited with this because we're waiting for the republicans to turn. we're on the edge and this is the word not being spoken is we have the impeachment fantasy. every time one of them makes a sound or casts a vote that looks anti-trump, everybody's heart starts to pound faster. maybe the leadership is turning. i'm not sure that's happening. i think mcconnell is looking out for his legacy and his way of saying, i'll not to blame for health care. >> and would you say mitch
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mcconnell has not been successful in his first six months as majority leader? or hold on to your hats, it's just beginning. >> i think it has been a disappointing first six months but president obama the didn't get obamacare pass in the his first year either. health care is complicated. on the other hand, republicans have been promising to get rid of it for seven years. i think impatience is understandable and so is a lack of progress. >> i like how ira says he's slightly disappointed. i would call it catastrophic. these are small shadings of difference. i think neither trump nor mcconnell wants to be held responsible for the other man's style, so different from his. mcconnell haits that trump tweets. he mat hates that he's a brander. trump is not a proceduralalist and has thrown out that handbook
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and they'll fight like wrestlers. >> and it is a failure on obamacare despite the republican majority that may give lie to the republican promise, if we win, we'll do what we said. in the first six months, it hasn't happen. thanks for watching "the beat." "hardball" starts now. pre dawn raid. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. it is being called a dramatic escalation of russia in the campaign. nbc news is reporting that the fbi executed a search warrant last month at the virginia apartment of former trump campaign chairman paul manafort. a surprise raid which took place in the hours before dawn. it came

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