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hate? what does that accomplish? what would that do for anybody? so that's how i raised her, and that's how i believe myself. there's no point to that. that will not do me any good. it won't do anyone else any good. there's no point in the hate. she was all about family and friends, and she's left a big hole. >> that's tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. tonight, donald trump back in new york spending his first night at trump tower since becoming president and given the weekend we've just witnessed, it's a noising crowd below. and after a nasty weekend without condemnation of white supremacists or neo-nazis, the president grudgingly went there today and later called out the media. and news tonight on two other fronts, north korea and russia. including reports robert mueller's looking to meet with west wing staff including the former chief of staff. all part of our world as "the
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11th hour" gets under way on a monday night. as we begin a new week, good evening to you, once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 207 of the trump administration. today when the african-american ceo of merck pharmaceuticals resigned from the president's manufacturing council, it took the president 54 minutes to attack him on twitter. now to the reason why the merck ceo resigned. it took the president two days to criticize the presence of neo-nazis and white supremacists on the streets in our country which this weekend resulted in charlottesville in a loss of life. and tonight after a grim weekend for the american presidency, the president of the united states is back at trump tower. you're looking at a live picture. and in part because of what happened this weekend, the crowds are large and loud in midtown manhattan, about five blocks from here. we have for you tonight a look
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at the president's comments just after 3:30 p.m. on saturday afternoon, and then over 45 hours later today back at the white house. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. >> we are starting to learn what was going on behind the scenes during those 45 intervening hours. associated press correspondent jonathan lamere, who will join us here momentarily, loathe to appear to be admitting to a mistake, trump was reluctant to
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address his remarks. the media's unfair assessment of his remarks believing he had effectively denounced all forms of bigotry. new chief of staff john kelly had urged him to make a more specific condemnation warning that the negative story would not go away and the rising tide of criticism from fellow republicans on capitol hill could endanger his legislative agenda, according to two white house officials. and the president is still blaming the media, writing this on twitter tonight -- made additional remarks on charlottesville and realize once again that the fake news media will never be satisfied. truly bad people. put another way, his statement today was to satisfy the news media, not to satisfy americans that what we saw in charlottesville this weekend does not define who we are. it did seem to define the alt right, though, the grab bag of
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nationalist causes and then some represented in the tiki torch march on the uva campus friday night. another story from the ap tonight carries the headline, white nationalists, charlottesville just a beginning. the leader of the movement named matthew heimbach as saying we're going to be more active than ever before. richard spencer from the alt right held a press conference today and said the following about the president. >> we saw in donald trump someone who wasn't a conservative. donald trump never talked about tax or at least during the campaign, he never talked about tax cuts. he never talked about all these -- he was not -- all this just kind of conservative garbage that we've been hearing for year. he talked about immigration first and foremost. he was a nationalist. he used phrases like america first. donald trump is not alt right, not an identarian, but hes with connected to him in this kind of
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psychic level where donald trump was a nationalist, he was the first true authentic nationalist in my lifetime. >> that was from this afternoon. there was also this tonight, the latest daily tracking numbers from gallup show this could indeed be hurting the president's job approval rating. this is a poll, mind you, taken from friday to sunday showing president trump at a new record low of 34%. after all that, let's write in our leadoff panel tonight. white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lamere, whose voice you heard last week peppering the president at bedminster. he was on hand for the president's remarks saturday and today at the white house. harold ford, democrat of tennessee, now an msnbc political analyst. and from washington, charlottesville native anita kumar, white house correspondent for mcclatchy newspapers. welcome to you all. jonathan, i'd like to begin with
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you. you are neither the president's apologist nor therapist, but this will call for all your donald trump knowledge. what in his psyche prevents him from going out to make this right for two days, resist calling out nazis, alt right, white supremacists, white nationalists and forces him to ad lib on many sides the part of his remarks that caused the most trouble? >> president trump is never one to acknowledge a mistake. it is very rare that he accepts responsibility. it's very rare that he wants to publicly second guess himself or seem like he's caving to public pressure. he's susceptible to flattery. these are groups who speak highly of him. he knows that he's people, some of them, support him. he recognizes that they are small but energize part of the coalition of people that backed him last november. on saturday, when he came out to
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give his initial statement in b b bedminster. he told people around him he wanted to focus on the law and order aspect of this. he said, on many sides, which will resonate with this president for some time, then he felt like he did his job. over the last two days a firestorm of bipartisan criticism. people around him recognized that this is something that could really damage him going forward. they talked to him. he was reluctant -- he told people around him he was upset, thought he was being treated unfairly, but he was eventually persuaded that he needed to go to the white house today and give this new more forceful statement. >> congressman, are you convinced to your satisfaction, that the portion of the president's base made up of these folks in charlottesville and people sympathetic maybe even secretly or quietly to their cause, that's why he took
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something off his rhetorical fastball on saturday? >> i've heard the commentary. i have no reason to not believe jonathan. i have no reason to not believe those who say this is all about his base. but you have to wonder on a level, there are two groups that he's coddled and defended without hesitation. russians who may have apparently interfered with the election process, claiming he didn't know them or didn't know much about them and was reluctant to answer. his fallback is always fake news when he doesn't like what people in the press are talking about. there's a 32-year-old woman who is dead. i'm not blaming the president, but there's nothing fake about her death. for this president to continue to put up this facade, it's laughable at one level and tragic on a very real level. three, you watch him and you have to wonder when he talks about fake news as well, what is the news media blocking him from getting accomplished in congress? there's a republican congress
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that is now -- talked with a high ranking republican official before dinner who said you saw pence who halfway did it from overseas, he came back to clean it up because he wanted to be accepted at the white house, but orrin hatch who invoked his own family. it will be curious if they maintain that posture going forward or stand up to him. the fake news moniker going forward, we'll have to wait and see. i said it before. i think terry mcauliffe, his words because he was right away the one that reassured and soothed america, but the most troubling thing about this and the president, i appreciate him being on record criticizing the alt right and white supremacists, but he didn't criticize their behavior. he didn't lecture like he lectured the ceo of merck saying you're going to go back and lower drug prices, a little cute shootback at him, to not say to white supremacists, this is not what america is, not what my
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campaign is about, not what my presidency aspires to be about says more about him than what he didn't do on saturday. >> anita kumar, what a great community you are from, what a great university you were fortunate enough to attend. i'm guessing that growing up in charlottesville you did not associate anything there with the alt right, with white nationalists, with neo-nazis or the kkk, and yet, sadly, that great place is going to be tied at least in our memory at least for some time with those awful causes. >> no. i mean, anyone who knows charlottesville, it's a small liberal college town. so it's very steeped in history, though, so there are the statues. i can see this disagreement happening, but to keep hearing charlottesville, it's very jarring to me, every time i hear it because no one really talks about it in that way. and just hearing about it, this small town being on the map like this, it's incredible. >> anita, five blocks from here
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the president is in new york. >> right. >> his first night as president in the place, the steel and glass tower, the triplex he calls home in trump tower, and yet you see the sand-filled dump trucks at the entrance. that's a relatively new secret service vehicle control method. and yet because of his own doing, the crowds are larger, the crowds are louder than they were during the campaign. >> right. i mean, he did come out and have a do-over, if you will, today, and he said what he needed to say. but the question is, it took so long, is that still going to hurt him? is it too late? he also didn't say a couple things. the congressman mentioned one thing, there were two other things he didn't say that people pointed out today that they wanted to hear. one he didn't use the word "terrorism." now members of his staff have.
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i believe the attorney general did, the national security adviser did. but people wanted to hear him say domestic terrorism. it's a question of whether it's enough. the other thing he didn't say was he didn't talk about -- he didn't denounce them and say, these aren't my supporters. he didn't really say that either way. i know people were sort of waiting for him to say i denounce these people. they aren't my supporters. they aren't part of who i want to support me. >> i'm reading from the screen on my phone. the president has just said on twitter, feels good to be home after seven months, but the white house is very special. there is no place like it. and the u.s. is really my home. jonathan, last week at bedminster, the president almost didn't stop talking when cameras were around. a huge departure. how much of it has to do with the fact that he had an enemy in the subject matter? he had comfort zone around him
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but north korea was the story in chief? >> i think that's exactly right. the president, when he feels back on his heels, his instinct is to find an enemy and punch, counterpunch. mitch mcconnell took some of that last week at bed minster. this is a president who rarely talks with the media. he hasn't had a full fledged press conference since february. he'll take a question or two at a bill signing, but it's rare. two days he had four different media events where he took a total of 50 questions, more than 50 questions from the press pool and sometimes making eye contact with reporters. >> the most in six months. >> exactly right. seeking questions, like give me more. and he seemed to engage and clearly delivering his message. the tough guy bravado, these threats to north korea. we get to saturday, charlottesville happens, we're still at bedminster, he delivers his statement and he walks off.
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shouted questions, do you renounce these white nationalists who support you? was this an act of terrorism? nothing. today he ignored our questions until he singled on one tv reporter and accused them of being fake news, which is his go-to defense mechanism when he doesn't like what he's being asked. >> before we talk about the slightly thornier issue of this president and race, using david duke as an example, we have an example here on videotape separated by several years of what the president said then and what the president said more recently. >> what do you see as the biggest problem with the reform party right now? >> well, you've got david duke just joined, a bigot, a racist, a problem. i mean, this is not exactly the people you want in your party. >> will you unequivocally condemn david duke and say you don't want his vote or other white supremacists in this election? >> just so you understand, i
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don't anything about david duke, okay? i don't even know anything that you're talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. give me a list of groups and i'll let you know. >> i'm just talking about david duke and the ku klux klan, though. >> i don't know david duke. i haven't met him or i don't think i met him. i just don't know anything about him. >> i'm a law school graduate at the university of michigan, go blue, and those are the kind of things you can't wait for having a witness on the stand and being able to show a video like that. what happened in the last 17 years. a young matt lauer, by the way, but what happened over the last 17 years that made him change his mind. surely in campaigns, and it happens every year, people say things and do things that they regret that oftentimes are beneath who they are and you hope once in office they rise to the occasion. he has not risen to the occasion but i'm interested here how he reconciles that. i couldn't agree more with anita
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moore. and the point i was trying to make was george bush gave one of the greatest speeches ever after 9/11. president obama many moments he rose to the occasion and brought america together. this president unfortunately may have a moment where he has to look us in the eye and talk about committing young men and women to parts of the world to defend freedom and defend us. you got to hope over the next few days he will take a moment to remind us all that david duke doesn't represent anything he wants and anyone that believes that he would support people who represent their principles they're sadly mistaken. that's what will allow him, if these reports are correct that john kelly urged him to speak, i'm glad his voice is being heard her, his influence is being felt here, that's the only way an agenda will get pushed through the congress. >> anita, the president is home in new york with phone in hand
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and has just retweeted somebody else's post showing 39 shootings in chicago this weekend. 9 deaths. no national media outrage. why is that? again, not the president's words, but the president retweeting it. this could be an interesting couple hours at home, anita. >> it can. we usually see this more early in the morning. we might see that tomorrow morning, too. he tends to do this when he was annoyed and he clearly was annoyed today in that back and forth with cnn's jim acosta at the white house. he had something that he wanted to -- he had a message today. i think we've all probably forgotten. he was supposed to come back to washington to talk about chinese trade practices and he had a message there. it was totally overshadowed by charlottesville and what's been going on and his response. so he did want to talk about that. he did want to be tough on china and have that message get across and he just does not like it
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when his message is overrun. so we're going to see him talk about all sorts of other things and lash out at the media. >> our great thanks to our starting pabl tonight, harold ford, jonathan lamire, anita kumar. we'll witness the president snapping at a reporter at the white house today and why so many believe what we witnessed this weekend in charlottesville was a leadership test and how previous presidents have handled the crises that were dealt to them. and later in our broadcast tonight, new developments on the russia front including this "washington post" story breaking tonight on that subject, all of it when the monday night edition of "the 11th hour" continues. each year sarah climbs 58,007 steps. that's the height of mount everest. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home... even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl's orthotics. clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain,
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i can hear you, the rest of the world hears you, and the people -- and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. ♪ amazing grace ♪ how sweet the sound >> powerful stuff to see it all over again, isn't it? different presidents consoling the american people in different ways after different types the of national tragedy. president trump was handed a leadership test this weekend in the form of an awful tragedy in charlottesville. we will talk about it tonight
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with two pulitzer prize winner. presidential historian, author, biographer of jefferson, jackson, fdr, churchill most recently bush 41, our friend john meecham is with us. we welcome back clarence page, columnist for the "chicago tribune." before we begin our conversation i have two separate pieces of business to play for you both on videotape. the first, we don't have many people walking around who worked for four presidents. i found that people listen up when they do talk, at least sensible people. in is david gergen tonight on cnn. >> he cannot address the hatred in the country until he addresses the hatred in his own heart. >> that was powerful. that got our attention. and here was the exchange earlier today, again, this is cnn correspondent jim acosta asking the president questions after his state ment on camera.
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>> mr. president can you explain why you did not condemn the by name on the weekend. >> they've been condemned. >> why are we not having a press conference today? you said on friday we'd have a press conference. >> we had a press conference. we just had a press conference. >> can we ask you more questions then, sir. >> i like real news not fake news. you're fake news. >> haven't you spread a lot of fake news yourself, sir? >> okay, john meecham, that's where we are. you've seen the weekend we've just endured. part of david gergen's comments tonight, he mentioned his childhood in north carolina growing up with the kkk as a presence as a young kid in that state, and he worried that this is going to start tearing people apart. >> well, it's been tearing us apart since the civil war. you know, i come from tennessee, i grew up on a civil war battlefield, missionary ridge
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which is where douglas macarthur's father won his medal of honor when he was 17. i remember standing on that ridge watching riots in chattanooga in 1980 after an all-white jury acquitted a klansman in a drive-by shooting of an african-american woman. i remember my grandfather saying as he watched the smoke rising from the city that the jury didn't let the facts get in the way of their bigotry and that was a damn shame. so this is tragically a recurring feature in the american story. what we have hoped for in the past and what we've often had in the past are presidents who address our better angels, who let us hear the whisper of those wings. sometimes it's just a whisper, but we are, in fact, inspired by those who encourage us to hope as opposed to letting us fear. and right now the 45th president of the united states is encouraging a climate of fear.
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>> clarence, where do you think your country and your presidency stands after the weekend we've just witnessed? >> well, it is a test for all of us, i think, brian. you know, when john meecham talks about the past, i think about how i became politicized in grade school when i saw national guard troops escorting black students into little rock high school -- i'm sorry, i shouldn't say national guard. it was actually the airborne. president eisenhower called in to replace the arkansas national guard in order to escort black students into little rock central high school in arkansas, and i said to my parents, what happened? because things had changed overnight. and they said, president eisenhower. and i was too young to know about the presidency, but i thought president eisenhower was a title in itself like emperor. and i said who will be the next president eisenhower when this president eisenhower is gone? that stuck with me all these years because that's when i
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first got interested in politics because i could see that washington and government means something. when i hear people putting down government and talking about the dark bureaucracy or the deep state, i really take offense at that because our government means a lot. it is government of the people, by the people and for the people and should be. it disturbs me when president trump does not show a serious attitude toward government and seems to think that because he made it in real estate he can manage the government. we're talking about people. you're talking about folks like you and me and all the other folks out there watching. over this weekend we did not see the kind of leadership folks want. from what i hear even david duke is upset tonight because trump caved into the liberal media as he puts it. that's not the kind of spirit we want running this country. >> john, clarence just put his fing right on it. the sense of stewardship that to watch over and care for all of us and all these things greater
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than us that comes traditionally with the job of the presidency. >> franklin roosevelt said that the presidency is preeminently a place of moral leadership. it is, in fact -- it's a strange office. it's developed in ways that the founders on this very day in 1787, 230 years ago, were drafting the articles, debating the articles about what a president would be like, and i don't think they could have foreseen this role of chief executive party leader but also of pastor of a kind of national pastor. and when president roosevelt -- the only words fdr spoke on d-day in public in 1944 was to read a prayer of his own composition. bill clinton went to oklahoma city after the terrible bombing there in 1995 and quoted st. paul. george herbert walker bush when
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he read an nra fund-raising letter that referred to them as jackbooted thugs he sat down and wrote a letter of resignation saying that offended his sense of decency and service to country. the presidency is an office that's inherently political but constitutionally it plays a different role in the life of the country and the 45th president, i think it's clear to most people at this point, is not co-menz you are rat with that task. >> i'll quote someone here for the first time tonight, the noted political scientist bryan cranston who said on social media when he saw the president finally appear at the white house today, it had all the appearance of a hostage tape to him, the way the president was reciting the kind of by now necessary lines that he had to do because of the damage done
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this weekend. i also note, clarence, he topped it with kind of economic news, bad trade deals, a surging wall street before he got to the subject in chief. >> and just moments ago president trump sent a tweet out about chicago's terrible homicide rate. he's changing the subject, brian, that's not a sign that makes you feel really confident about leadership. the president stepped on his own message today about trade once again. he obviously has this -- well, the catastrophe there in virginia on his mind, his plunging poll numbers, all this is happening and he's trying to put a strong face on it, but he won't do a news conference. he walks out of the room when reporters ask him questions. he doesn't present a portrait of strength right now and that's sad. we have to go beyond partisanship here and talk about the good of the country and this is a time for people to be
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pulling together and i'm happy most americans right now seem to be forging ahead on this and but still wondering what's going on in washington. >> well, here, here, and to our viewers i give you two living reasons why the pulitzer jury is rarely wrong. john meecham, clarence page, recipients both. gentlemen, thank you for your time on this monday night as we try to get our arms around at what we witnessed this past weekend. coming up after another break for us, the republican party went running from the president this weekend in droves. plus the trump staffer who is being called an internal exile in the west wing these days. we're back with more after this. we're on to you, diabetes. time's up, insufficient prenatal care. and administrative paperwork... your days of drowning people are numbered. same goes for you,
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welcome back. as we mentioned it took president trump two days to condemn by name the white nationalists and neo-nazis responsible for the deadly violence in charlottesville this weekend. he paid a very heavy price for that within his own party. senators marco rubio, jeff flake, orrin hatch, cory gardner among those republicans who criticized the president directly for not renouncing racism sooner. others condemned the attack the day it happened using much stronger language than the president directly denouncing groups labeling it domestic terrorism. the chair of the republican
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national committee had strong words for the president and the party as a whole. here now michael steele from our 8:00 p.m. hour this evening talking to joy reid. >> this is the seminal moment for the republican party. you're going to be defined by the stench that comes from this. the country is watching, the country wants a response. you can't on the one instance say this is terrible privately and then publicly hem and haw and figure out a way to sort of smooth over hurt feelings in the white house. that's not what this is about. this is about how you hold a country together. this is your lincoln moment as a republican, mr. president. >> joining us to talk about this, former u.s. republican congressman david jolly of florida and jonathan lamire from the ap has agreed to stay here with us. congressman, you've been on a ballot with that "r" after your name. how are you feeling about your
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party and your country after the weekend we just witnessed? >> michael is right. this is a defining moment. this president has given validation to an alt right white nationalist movement and waited two days too long to denounce it. bigger picture, though, brian, listen, republicans right now are facing a reminder that this president is unprepared to lead. on saturday they knew he was parsing his words in which case he was accommodating a white nationalist movement or he did it in. you like to talk about tomorrow's news today. my fear in his statement today, it was all the right words, two days too late. my fear is that tomorrow we start to see mainstream conservatives accept that statement and start to build moral equivalency with other groups like black lives matter on the left. i would say to republicans do not do that. there's no equivalency. black lives matter and those groups are asking for racial equality. the alt right white nationalist movement is asking for racial
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supremacy. do not follow this president down that road. >> we've seen previous occasions -- i just wrote down a feel, mccain, mr. con, the federal judge, our own megyn kelly, where republicans were tough, they came out in response and they were tough. will this be one of those? >> it's possible. this is certainly the third rail of american politics are not neo-nazis. >> right. >> these are things that you can pretty safely criticize and not worry about much in the way of blowback. we certainly saw over the last few days republicans who already had started to distance themselves from the president. we saw the healthcare fall apart. we saw the president at 34% in the tracking numbers. interesting to see the president has given an endorsement in alabama that senate race to take jeff sessions old seat. does that do anything? the candidate he picked did not win. these republicans are unafraid of this president and what
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political retribution he can dish out but you're seeing some concern about the leadership they're getting from the white house. the great test is they don't build statues to senators who privately grumble or worry about the white house, they don't even give them to people who tweet negative things about the president. will they stand up and vote against him, back away from him, or will they continue to perhaps express displeasure but still go along with whatever the president's agenda might be? >> david, "a," it will be interesting if there is talk that the president somehow unfit to be president, be interesting to see where that comes from, people with an "r" after their names. "b," you saw in the media in the last 24 hours, the articles on mr. bannon calling him kind of in exile in the west wing. bannon in limbo as trump faces growing calls for the strategist's ouster. where is that going to come from? where is the push going to come from? it says here in general mr.
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bannon has cautioned the president not to criticize far right activists too severely as a small and energetic part of his base, but what once endeared him to the president has now become a major liability. david? >> this is a leadership test for donald trump. we know that this is a litmus test. is it going to be a steve bannon white house or is it going the be a general kelly white house? jonathan's reporting tonight is spot-on in terms of the influences on this president. "the new york times" is out as well with a similar report. at the end of the day, it is a litmus test. listen, general kelly and general mcmaster, if you listen to mcmaster when he talked to your colleague chuck todd on sunday, those are the reasoned, balanced voices of this administration. there is no room in a reasoned, balanced white house for a steve bannon. it will be a leadership decision for the president and one that he fails if bannon still has a place to call home in the white house. >> gentlemen, our great thanks to you both. congressman david jolly,
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welcome back to our broadcast. new tonight from "the washington post," we're learning that a trump campaign aide sent several e-mails to staffers offering to set up meetings between the campaign and russian officials. the piece reads in part, quote, three days after donald trump named his campaign foreign policy team in march of '16 the youngest of the new advisers sent an e-mail to seven campaign officials with the subject line "meeting with russian leadership including putin." putten, putin, rather. that will get your attention. it sent ripples of concern among headquarters in trump tower. among to express concern through the effort was then-campaign
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chairman paul manafort. this comes over the weekend from "the new york times" that robert mueller and his team are interested in meeting with former and current staffers including reince priebus. we're joined by our friend ken vogel, political reporter for "the new york times." very good to see you, thanks for coming on. obviously, it's not a surprise that mr. mueller would want to meet with these people, but, a, what details can you add, and, b, why are some trump staffers more worried than others? >> there's a lot of concern about the loyalties of some of the folks who are now sort of e being brought into mueller's investigation including reince priebus, a former chief of staff, who you mentioned obviously parted ways with trump on less than agreeable terms, was kind of picked on throughout his tenure there and there are some concerns about both what he knows and whether he be willing to sort of put the most positive spin on some of this stuff for trump. he was on the -- you know, the
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mueller folks are focusing on this meeting that we revealed in june of last year at trump tower between this russian lawyer, russian american lobbyist, paul manafort, jared kushner and donald trump jr. that was set up with the offer that these russians would be able to provide dirt on hillary clinton. reince priebus was on paul manafort's schedule for a meeting that same day. we don't know if they ultimately met, but you can rest assured know that mueller will look into whether that meeting between reince priebus and manafort occurred and ask both manafort and priebus for any details on that. >> if we were to read the tea leaves and lord knows journalists would never engaej in something like that. would manafort, do we look at him and think he's the crux of all or a substantial part of the mueller case even though here his name appears in an exculpatory manner, manafort was
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saying no, that wouldn't be right, wouldn't be prudent to meet with the russians? >> yeah, i think so. for a couple reasons, brian. first of all, obviously manafort was at the top of the campaign despite efforts that suggest that manafort played a limited role for a limited time in the words of former secretary sean spicer, manafort was there at a pivotal moment. he does have ties to both serious russian players and people who are very closely allied to the putin regime include i including victorian na cove itch, the former president of the ukraine. and there are things that have come into the sites that don't directly relate to any coordination between the campaign and russia or between other trump associates and other russian associates, and that has to do with his adherence to money laundering roles, banking
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roles, there are a number of ways that manafort could potentially have some liability here that aren't necessarily directly related to what had been the core animating issue of this investigation, that being any ties between trump and russia and any potential collusion between the trump campaign and russia. >> ken vogel, one of the best on this story. thank you for coming on. that's a terrific explanation of the state of play as we know it, as they say. the past attacks that the president has been quick to label terrorism. was there any more evidence than exists tonight in charlottesville? we're back with that right after this. in the middle of the night. hold on dad... liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. don't worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench?
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. we have a lot in the news tonight that called for one guest in particular who has made it here to our studio. malcolm nance, 35-year veteran
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of counterterrorism and intelligence and all things u.s. military and also an analyst for msnbc. so forgive this quick tour of the world. i have to start overseas with north korea. they not only issued a photo through state media of their leader, kim jong-un, looking at a map, which when we looked at it in high-definition does show loosely, a missile flight path from north korea down to the southern pacific which could conceivably be guam. u.s. intelligence is watching very closely a mobile launcher they have, they could be preparing a test shot. they're certainly making those same noises how do you view this crisis compared to last thursday, friday night? >> american political considerations have stepped in to make this crisis appear as if it is lessened but it hasn't.
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these are two leaders who are master trolls here. north korea has been playing this game for 63 years and been preparing for war for 63 years. they know no one is really going to resort to nuclear weapons. however if they feel the united states is going to carry out a conventional weapons attack like they saw in syria the second korean war will is to start. what he's doing is he's ratcheting up the tension because north korea are the masters of playing the provocation game and donald trump may be taking the bait. >> do you think there is clarity on our threshold? is something near guam our threshold? what is our threshold? >> the secretary of defense said an attack on guam would be -- reason for a retaliation. that is correct. but if north korea decides to do an intermediate range ballistic missile test and it misses guam
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by 300 miles or lands in the sea of japan or the yellow sea, that's not an attack on guam but we are going to see it fly in the direction of guam and half of the united states defense forces are going to go online. will cooler heads prevail and realize that this is not an attack on guam? if it is an attack on guam we know that kim jong-un has lost his mind and is preparing for a second korean war but we are seeing none of the intelligence indicators on the ground that north korea is preparing for a war. >> my final question, does the awfulness in charlottesville does it match the definition of domestic terrorism. >> i like to say american terrorism because domestic terrorism gets lost in the wash. people like to use that term to downgrade the potency of the word terrorism. american terrorism tells you the
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nation of origin of that particular thing, same thing as isis. using a vehicle as a weapon system attack in a provocative manner with the intent to instill convenience and threaten violence on others for a political purpose, that is the technical definition of terrorism the entire united states government uses. when he drove that car into that crowd knowing he would kill and injury for the creator cause of his neonazi white supremacist movement he carried out terrorism as it's done in nice and in israel by hamas. it is an act of terrorism. >> clarity from our friend malcolm nance. a final break from us. when we come back, a word about the loss this weekend in charlottesville. (class) ewwww! (boy) sorry. (dad) don't worry about it.
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a tragedy for charlottesville and for good people everywhere because of the hatred at the heart of it. heather heyer was 32 years old and was killed when the car plunged into the crowd. she was protesting against injustice. she was easily moved to tears. friends say such things were her absolute passion. she studied hard to become a paralegal at a charlottesville law firm where she took up those very causes. commonwealth of virginia is mourning two state police officers who were in a chopper because of the violence providing reports for officers on the ground. lieutenant jay cullen was 48. berke bates was 40. both were married and both fathers of two children. the cause of the crash is unknown. that is our broadcast for tonight. thank you for being here with us as we start a new week. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
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thanks for joining us this hour. if you drive north from san francisco you cross the golden gate bridge you will find yourself on highway 101 headed into the northern part of northern california. and if you keep going straight up the highway, 120 miles up highway 101 from san francisco you get to a place called ukiah. 33 years ago in july 1984 on highway 101 just outside ukiah, california there was an armored truck traveling up that highway in broad daylight and the truck got ambushed. it was a portion of the highway on an uphill climb. the armored car was fully loaded and had to slow downs


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