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bedminster may be in the middle of new jersey but it may be surrounded by water. president trump is on an island. is he mad at everyone. up early on twitter, mad at his own party, mad at cities taking down confederate statues and some of that will definitely make gop leadership mad as steve bannon blasts his ideological opponents in a scaramucci-style interview. with fewer bleeps. will any of it matter when it comes to getting stuff done? we probably won't see the president today, we are already hearing from him. we're also talking about a story we will be covering on this show. more than a dozen cities moving fast to take down confederate monuments with concerns now that could only mean more violence on the way. our team is set up and ready to go. we have nbc's kelly o'donnell live in bridgewater, new jersey, along with hans nichols and gabe
gutierrez. kelly, i want to go first to you. the president is laying low on his last dworking vacation. this is guvg us a window into how he is feeling today. >> reporter: he certainly has not separated himself from his phone because he is using twitter and he is fighting back. and it gives us, hallie, a sense of the president's mood, frustration and as we look at this over the next few days, it will be interesting to see to what degree the president feels like he is under siege n a way, what he said about senator graham is very telling today. senator lindsey graham, republican of south carolina, who has been critical of the president, certainly was one of his challengers very early on in 2016, but has also been complimentary of the president at times where he felt he was on the right mark, typically with things like foreign policy. and, again, lindsey graham has been splitting that difference, praising the president for his comments about the woman who was killed in charlottesville and his expression toward her, but tough on the president in other
ways. and here is how president trump responded. publicity seeking lindsey graham falsely stated i said that there is moral equivalency between the kkk, neo-nazis and white supremacists and people like miss h hchlt eyer. such a disgusting lie. he just can't forget his election trouncing. the people of south carolina will remember. on every point the president is pounding lindsey graham. the senator has since put out a statement, again, complimenting the president for his gesture toward the family and the memory of heather heyer but saying that the president is separating americans, not bringing them together. critical of him in this way. it's one insight with one set of criticism and how the president is responding that gives us a lot of insight about the president's state of mind and level of frustration right now. hallie? >> kelly o'donnell there in bridgewater, new jersey, where i
will be heading after the show to say hello to you. thank you. appreciate it. with us now like she never left, because she didn't, stephanie ruhle. and panel for the hour, shane goldmacher and business reporter for "the wall street journal," shelby holiday. shane and shelby, i want to start with you. i want to play off what we're talking about when we talk about the president's frustrations, his tweets. lindsey graham is out with this ferocious new statement saying mr. president, like most i seek to move our nation, my state and our party forward, toward the late, not back to the darkness. he continues, because of the manner, however, in which you handled the charlotte theville tragedy you are now receiving praise from some of the most racist and hate-filled individuals and groups in our country. for the sake of our nation, as our president, please fix this. here is the question, though, guys. you have lindsey graham coming out, talking about this. you have other republicans who, as the usa today has reported, mitch mcconnell, for example, in a silent fury.
it's silent. for many, it's silent. obviously for lindsey graham it's not. the praise from white supremacists is what's so alarming from these republicans. some of my colleagues at wall street journal wrote a piece about right-wing movement and white nationalist is quoted saying trump has an implicit sense of white identity. maybe he doesn't realize it but is instinctually implying it. those are the comments rocking the republican party right now. none of them are out defending the president at this point. >> that's also true. >> they stuck with him through his decision to pull out of the paris climate accord. they distanced themselves when president trump tweeted about transgender in the military. but this is like radio silence. and you also have republicans coming out against him. i think more importantly than their words, however, is their actions. over the course of the past few months, congress has limited its power, proposed bills, passed bills to reign him in, prevent
him from firing more. not only are they silent but they're limiting his power, which i think we could see more and more of. >> i think for the most part, republicans haven't checked his authority yet. they've done a little bit. >> started to, yeah. >> these are the people he fundamentally needs, 52 republican senators right now and he attacked two of them today. if those two people have any kind of a memory -- we know trump does -- they'll be less likely to vote for him and his priorities. jeff flake isn't just a republican senator who trump endorsed his primary challenger, he is the second most vulnerable republican up for re-election in 2018. it makes these people unhappy and all these people have more reason to not line up behind him. >> the president just five days heads to arizona on tuesday, is going after the senator there. he wants to but the mayor there has said hey, please don't. please wait a little bit. we kind of need you to put some space between this.
let's say the president goes and decides to endorse jeff flake's republican primary challenger. that will be fairly seismic. >> in all fairness, jeff flake just wrote a book. it goes both ways here. it is shocking to see a president out rallying against people who he needs to help pass his agenda. these people have not shown any fear of sinking legislation, of opposing his agenda. the wall hasn't been built. health care hasn't been overhauled. tax reform hasn't been passed. at this point they don't care. >> that is something you hear all the time. i had a conversation with a top republican aide. >> you hear about it. you don't see it. >> that's the thing. we're distancing ourselves from the president, perhaps now, but i said will this have any impact? they said tax reform. that was the message back. >> hallie jackson, it took over a year for ronald reagan to work with both sides. the day they announced their bill, he was thanking 78 people.
so for those who are in his administration even working on tax reform, the white house said in 6 1/2 weeks, we're going to have a bill. go fish. he's going after the gop. his own team is sitting there, battling whether or not they should come to work tomorrow because he's backing anti-semites. nothing is happening. at the end of the day people didn't vote for president trump because he's the apprentice and he is the coolest. they wanted a change and from a legislative perspective, that ain't happening. >> they may be talking about being unhappy about showing up to work but they're still showing up to work. >> that's a great point. dina powell, steve mnuchin, we gave up a lot to be here. they did give up a lot to be at the white house. if they cannot get to the agenda and work with the gop what's the point of being there? >> stephanie, you have been leading coverage of the ceo fallout here, the big rebellion,
revolt, whatever you want to call it. reaction out today. you could make the point, what were these councils doing? >> nothing. >> it doesn't matter that they're -- >> they were looking for an out. these ceos have been dying to get out. this is the straw that broke the camels back. they've had to endure leaving the paris accords, the transgender ban, immigration. do you think these ceos feel like getting calls from us every day, hey there, jamie dimon, do you like the ku klux klan? they have a job to do. the group barely even met. they did nothing. >> what is the thesis that we can draw from this? there any? when the president says x, y happens. >> donald trump's coalition of bringing people together part of it was the business community. people said we want somebody who has business experience they validated his views from the public. he was seen as this business guy. we talked about "the apprentice." he was seen as an executive. you have all these major executives backing away, saying this isn't our guy, we can't even associate with him.
we don't want to be affiliated with his council, that hurts him. >> jared kushner was called on the phone he didn't say let's talk policy how we'll work together in a different way. in your statement can you say it was a joint decision it wasn't just you guys planning to drop us? can you say it was you guys and trump and his team? they're worried about optics, not policy. these ceos have real business on the line. jamie dimon loves dropping dodd/frank. they want tax cuts. they're starting to believe it ain't happening. >> them looeaving this council, choosing to disband, and the fake news is talking about his unfairly criticizing his comments because you're hearing from a lot of these business leaders. they're condemning the way he handled this fallout from charlottesville, jamie dimon saying business leaders are supposed to bring people together not tear them apart. these are his closest allies shall the business community. they are out, making no bones
about it. >> do you know who is not upset with the president? republicans. more republicans feel that donald trump is assigning blame accurately when it comes to charlottesville. >> which means this is more difficult for lawmakers. but for businessmen, steve schwartzman raised $40 billion, billion with a b, from the saudi royal family for infrastructure bill. he got this clearly being tied to the trump family, being tied to this administration. and it is simply too expensive for companies. >> stephanie ruhle, we have worked you hard this morning. see you back again at 11:00. >> girl, i need a break. >> take a nap in the meantime. shelby and shane, i'll have you stick around. coming up, we're delving into this idea that cities across the country are rushing in to take down these monuments as white nationalist groups work together to try to get more support for rallies, particularly this weekend. it's happening all over the country. not just in lexington, kentucky, where we're live on the ground but on donald trump's twitter page like we've been talking about.
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america can't change its history. does that define our culture now in a question coming up after president trump tweet this had in the last hour or so. sad to see the history and culture, the history and culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments. you can't change history but you can learn from it. robert e. lee, stonewall jackson.
who is next, washington, jefferson? so foolish. also the beauty that is being taken out of our cities, towns and parks will be greatly missed and never able to be comparably replaced. you know what's happening in lexington, kentucky, tonight? city council is voting on whether to remove two confederate monuments off public grounds where we find stephanie gosk ahead of that vote tonight. steph? >> reporter: hey, hallie, to give you a sense of the feeling here in lexington right now, all you need to know is this. police chief in lexington reached out to the police chief in charlottesville to talk about what he could potentially expect on the streets here in lexington. his fight is over two statues that in this park behind me. one is john hunt morgan, a confederate general. the other is john c. brecken ridge, the last confederate secretary of war. there has been a movement in this city to remove these statues for a while. really since the shooting in
charleston, south carolina. however over the weekend you have the mayor in this city, jim gray, push that process forward. so there was a vote, essentially a vote to have a vote. tonight they meet again to vote. here is the interesting thing about lexington. we saw those pictures of baltimore where statues were spirited away in the middle of the night, kind of in secret. that can't happen in kentucky. if that happens here it's actually a felony. the process is this. if this city passes the vote tonight, it then has to go to a statewide commission called the kentucky military heritage commission. that is a commission. you hear the governor talk about this that stops short firmly coming on the side of this city. >> we've got to remember where
we came from, who we are and a sense of vision and purpose of where we're going and we should be very thoughtful with respect to what we think of as the right symbols to show that. and if there's a need and a time to change those, then that's a conversation we should have and a result that should ultimately happe happen. >> what you have, really, is the fight playing out with the governor but also now, as you mentioned, with the president of the united states, the country at odds all across from east to west, hallie. >> stephanie gosk live for us there in lexington. thank you. we'll be watching for more of your reporting on "nbc nightly news." i want to bring back in our panel, shane goldmacher, shelby holliday. i was at that news conference in the lobby of trump tower. that was one of the questions i asked and a colleague asked, should this robert e. lee statue be taken down? you heard the president say it should be up to the states at the time. this is a different response
now. >> he's calling it beautiful and beauty. >> part of our culture. not just our history but our culture. >> that word gets to the heart of the issue. these statues often portray confederate statues as heroes, they are beautiful. that's why many people say they don't have a place on government grounds and state property n kentucky there is a very organized, methodical process for removing them. baltimore overnight is a different story. i think that's what president trump was reacting to, the fact that they were taken down overnight but he didn't clarify. >> there are more than 700 statues across the country that are now, you know, in jeopardy really. >> and do you know how many statues there are at the u.s. capitol? 12 confederate statues, four times the number of african-american senators serving right now. what role does the federal government have in this, if anything? >> when nancy pelosi was speaker she moved one of those statues
to a less prominent place. >> is that enough? >> i don't know if it's enough but it's been an ongoing issue. it's happening all across crit. even here in new york it's happening. the mayor promised to take down all symbols of hate in the next 90 days. the governor is asking for streets to be moved from confederate names, small towns in the south and big cities in the north. this is the debate happening all over the country. certainly those statues in the capital will get more attention than they have in a long time. >> it's a tricky balance between free speech and public safety. it's a conversation our country should be having. it's worth noting this is not just happening in a vacuum but because these statues or the confederate flag in south carolina was a symbol for white nationalists, was a symbol for hate and people are using those symbols to commit acts of violence. to commit hate crimes. then taking this down is a response. it's not just out of the blue. >> the president weighing in, obviously, will be significant as far as the story moving
forward and his team at the white house is now talking about this over at bridgewater, new jersey, where kelly o'donnell is coming back for us here. it's my understanding that one of the president's advisers have talked with reporters off camera and was asked about these tweets, this and the other tweet this is morning. what kul tell us? >> reporter: good to be back with you, hallie. just in the time since i saw you last we had this opportunity to talk to one of the president's officials here where they are also headquartered. on the tweets, the answer is one we've heard before. that the tweets speak for themselves. there was new information that is of interest to many people, the president's expressions toward the family of heather heyer. he said when you were in the lobby of trump tower with him and everyone was asking him about reaching out to the family. we had not had an answer from the president or any of his top officials now for days about how that was going to work out. the typical phone call that a president would place of condolence and support. what we're being told now is that we appreciate the unifying
words that heather heyer's mother spoke yesterday, a reference to the memorial service, i believe. we're working on identifying a time that is convenient with the family to speak with the president. our thoughts and prayers are with the family. supportive words toward the heyer family. that phone call has not yet happened. also in addition, we are told the president will be meeting with the governor of florida today. that was on his schedule. we're also told that the chief of staff, john kelly, will be in that meeting as well. no updates on a reaction from john kelly after we all saw some of those kind of moechlts in time during the president's news conference or question and answer session in trump tower. those are some of the updates today. in addition, on the new comments from steve bannon, instead of speaking on behalf of the white house, they have suggested we go back to bannon, the interview or conversation that he had that has now been reported. hallie? >> kelly o'donnell, staying busy there in new jersey. thank you very much for that. the tweets speak for themselves, the tweets on the statues, on jeff flake.
they speak for themselves. that is not surprising. that is a line we have heard since, i don't know. >> he has a new communications director. it's very clear he's still doing his own pr. the bannon point kelly brought up is a good point. after these interviews there was a lot of speculation about bannon's job security. is he the chief leaker, is he on thin ice? after trump's tweet this is morning it is very clear that bannon is the one president trump is listening to, at least today. >> perfect segue into our new segment, which you didn't even know. so, thank you. all about steve bannn and john kelly, what's happening inside the west wing and most importantly what it means for policy. bannon reacted to not just what is happening in the political sphere but geopolitical sphere. any military action against kim jong-un has to go through him first and he is pledging there will be no war with the north. so if the u.s. needs to strike pyongyang it has to get
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this morning, senator lindsey graham, telling the president to fix his response to charlottesville. the president's first order of business to attack the south carolina senator online, saying he was spreading lies about him. visitation begins to honor trooper burke bates, killed in a helicopter crash after they were monitoring the protests there in charlottesville. just the last few minutes back here in washington, secretary of state rex till ersn and secretary of defense james mattis welcomed their japanese counterparts to d.c. how to coordinate their response to what they're calling a regional environment. safe to say it will be a big topic there. immediate fears of nuclear war seem to have simmered down, still plenty of long-term questions about the united states' standoff with north
korea. south korea's president said president trump agreed to talk with him and get the okay from south korea before taking any kind of military action. hans nichols is joining us now from the pentagon. hans, can you explain this? what is this agreement? is this sop? has the white house responded? the pentagon? >> the white house has not confirmed this nor has anyone here at the pentagon. as a formal matter it's probably correct. if there were military action against north korea, there would likely be phone conversations between all levels of government. as a practical matter, though, what the defense department and pentagon continues to say is that they have the doctrine of self-defense and the warnings we've heard here up till a few days ago from secretary mattis himself, if there's an attack at guam, that means war. that means game on. not a whole lot of time for diplomatic niceties if it escalates to that level.
hail hallie? >> if south korea is critical to this, so is japan. >> they want to send a message that the three allies are close. any exercise, any sort of response to tests, fly b-1 bombers up from guam as a show of force but be escort bid japanese fighters as well as south korean fighters. i should add one more thing on the agreement between south korea and the u.s., at the d.o.d. level, formal level, cfc, combined forces command. if there is an attack and they do have an escalation there, general brooks, the commanding u.s. general in south korea, he would assume control of the republic of korea, south korea, of their more than 600,000 troops. so, there are a lot of formal and legalistic agreements what happens once action does get kinetic or i should say if it gets kinetic.
i don't want to march things along before where they are. as a formal matter diplomatic conversations would take place. hallie? >> hans, stick around, too, for part of this conversation. shelby, obviously, when it comes to this, there may not be a ton of time for those diplomatic conversations if something were, in fact, to happen. >> no. take a step back and look what would happen if there was a strike, the president has the sole authority to act. you have to act very quickly, within a matter of seconds often. this is not something, like hans said, we would call up our allies, get all on the same p e page. you simply don't have the time. however, i do think it's reassuring that president trump has had this discussion with mr. moon and we have had back channel diplomacy chats while trump is escalating rhetoric on twitter and the media. this is all interesting against the backdrop of this recent poll showing many of our allies trust putin more than trump to do the right thing when it comes to world affairs and in south korea it's a ten-point margin in putin's favor. we're dealing with allies who
think putin would do the right thing over trump. with nuclear war on the table that is a very scary topic. >> chief strategist steve bannon coming out to do this impromptu interview. hans, i want you to jump in, too, with shane. bannon insisted there was no military solution to what's happening in north korea, that south korea would be doomed no matter what and that's unacceptable. bannon said he might consider a deal in which china got north korea to freeze its nuclear buildup with verifiable inspections. >> steve bannon said there is no military solution while the president is talking about military solutions. this only going to make the ice
he's on thinner. >> what would you imagine it might snb. >> nothing formal from the pentagon weighing in on the steve bannon conversations. what's very clear here, though, they want it to be a diplomatically led effort. if diplomacy lends itself and leads to that sort of outcome where you have withdraw of the 28,000 troops in return for having a denuclearization of the korean peninsula, that doesn't seem to be something to be tossed out completely here at the pentagon because, again, if you talk about the civilian casualties, bannon said 10 million in the first any sort of conflict and millions would die in seoul. the number we hear here is hundreds of thousands or a million in the first couple of hours. fact of the matter is that no one knows. all the estimates that the u.s. and south koreans have are estimates. they don't know precisely how many pieces of artillery they have buried in the hills,
underneath cover. these are all estimates and they're all kind of scary. >> hans nichols, we'll leave it there from the pentagon. thank you so much. >> we've been talking about steve bannon here so far. he sounds off, unplugged you might say, china and threats from north korea but waging war politically in d.c. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪
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of new interviews in the last 18 hours or so, talking about, well, all of it. everything. getting into some stuff, including the idea that his rooifbls ov rivals at the department of defense, as he put it rather colorfully, wetting themselves. proceeding to detail how he would oust some of his opponents in those agencies. all right. michael crowley is joining us now, politico senior foreign affairs correspondent along with shane goldmacher and shelby holliday, back with us. steve bannon, the big nationalist push from somebody very close to president trump in a week in which we are renegotiating nafta, looking at potentially its strategy in afghanistan, flash point for the steve bannon wing versus the h.r. mcmaster wing. >> yeah. it's a strange dynamic. all the talk in washington has been that bannon is on the outs,
on the brink of being fired. it's almost as if steve bannon was at the podium at that press conference a couple of days ago and bannon clearly is not going down without a fight. in general, i would say in many ways trump's presidency is hitting a lot of bannon themes very hard. so that said, h.r. mcmaster has been consolidating his power, pushing out people who are allies from bannon from the national security council and just this morning we are hearing from the state department signals of strong support for an asi asian -- state department official who handles asian issues, sorry, who bannon tar t targeted that in that interview, assistant secretary for east asian affairs state department. there's a real pushback from the
anti-bannon wing. >> he says i'm changing out people in east asia defense, getting hawks in, getting susan thornton out at state, the acting head of east asia pacific affairs. in the last couple of minutes at the state department, pull up this video if we can, secretary tillerson making a point of walking over to her, shaking her hand in some of this video you're about to see. there he goes. little bit of a signal, it seems. at least it seems to me. state department is continuing to push back on this, state department official telling nbc news the secretary asked susan thornton lead a very important role and continues to rely on her to lead the state department's agency in yash. it's like a throwdown. >> i can't remember seeing anything quite like this in government. throwdown is exactly right. rex tillerson, remember this guy was running one of the biggest multi-national corporations in the world, ceo who would snap his fingers and have things happen. now a guy like steve bannon is
basically bragging that he's hiring and firing people at the state department. i think tillerson, i assume, is infuriated by this. i think what you just saw is a clear demonstration of that. so if steve bannon survives, is able to hold on to his job, is not fired, this fight is going to go on. we may not have seen the worst of it. >> he also, shelby, talked about -- steve bannon did, comments related to white nationalists. he said this. the democrats, the longer they talk about identity politics, i got 'em. i want them to talk about racism every day. if the left is focused on race and identity and we go with economic nationalism we can crush the democrats. this say bit of a window in his thinking as we have the aftermath of the violence in charlottesville with how the white house conducts this conversation around race and identity. >> take all the statues down that, helps us. to my point earlier, his tweets this morning really show us who
the president is listening to today, certainly sounds like steve bannon, who likes to double down on these issue. when you're out talking to trump voters, you hear that the identity politics backfired in a way. there's a big movement behind president trump because he's not politically correct, because he's willing to say things that might sound inappropriate and crazy but a lot of people do like that, you know, he speaks the truth. however, it is not helping the president's agenda. it's not helping his approval ratings. steve bannon might have been a great strategist on the campaign trail. he is not helping this nation come together. that's why you see so many people inside the white house and outside really advocating for his ouster. >> washington post did a deep dive into john kelly, chief of staff. bob costa over there writes this. capitol hill, lack of ideological compass has drawn
mixed reactions from republicans who have dealt with him. steve bannon does. how does that stand? >> donald trump's ties to the institution of the republican party are fraying. reince ran the rnc. steve bannon has been attacking the republican party. kelly is a military guy. the people on the hill are wanting to make those connections and they just don't have them. they don't have people in the white house they can call and trust. >> this will be an interesting trust of kelly's power in the white house. after scaramucci did this, maybe it was off the record or on the record interview, very similar to the one we saw steve bannon just do and speaking about his colleagues in a way that frustrated and bothered general kelly. so, if this evokes the same reaction, will general kelly push bannon out or does president trump like him better? >> michael, step back, take the 30,000 foot view in light of the
conversation we've been having. you've been writing about the president choosing fighting over healing this week. give us that big picture look. >> donald trump's response to the events in charlottesville, the violence and tragic death again is just -- it shatters all the categories we've used to evaluate how presidents handle moments of national angst and crisis, particularly when it comes to racial turmoil. remember, bill clinton started a national dialogue on race and set up this appointed panel of esteemed race experts that produce aid big report. and barack obama, of course, the starkest contrast here. we all remember him actually singing "amazing grace" in charlestown, south carolina, church at a memorial service for a black pastor who was massacred, among those massacred by a white maniac. and in particular, i remember how about this point in barack obama's first term he had a
famous beer summit with a black harvard professor and white cambridge police officer who had wrongly arrested the professor on his doorstep, thinking he was a burglar. obama made comments about it which he said were ill advised, called it a teachable moment, brought the professor and cop together for a beer summit, trying to heal, reconcile, soothe. and trump's approach has been completely the opposite, fighting, inflaming, firing people up. we're just in unchartered water. >> michael crowley, thank you for joining us. i want to thank our panel today, shelby holliday and shane goldmacher. thank you for being here. >> we want to know what local leaders can do. for that matter, what congress can do. we're diving into some concrete steps lawmakers can take, next. ♪ music
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good morning to you. >> reporter: hi, hallie, good morning. as we've been reporting, groups who track these -- the experts that track these groups, rather, say they've been emboldened and they're not going away. we don't want to provide a platform for these fringe voices. it's important to understand who they are. some of the language you're about to hear is disturbing. this morning a growing number of cities across the country are bracing for far-right rallies like this one in charlottesville, from boston, to san francisco, to lexington, kentucky, where white supremacists are fighting city officials who plan to vote tonight on a resolution to remove two confederate statues, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell saying their message of hatred and bigotry are not welcome in kentucky. >> we will engage throughout america's cities, becoming more active than ever. >> reporter: self proclaimed white nationalist matthew h
heibach is. saying his movement has grown since president trump's election. >> no doubt our movement is winning. >> reporter: they go by different names and nationalists, white supremacists and neo-nazi but their ideas are repulsive to everybody. >> we're not nonviolent. we're kill these [ bleep ] people if we have to. >> we have done everything we can to keep this peaceful. >> this man addresses the police after learning of a warrant for his arrest. on it an emotional cantwell is shown getting teared up. >> i'm afraid you're going to kill me. >> a far different emotion than this interview before the riot. >> i'm here to spread ideas, talk in the hopes that somebody more capable will come along and lo do that. somebody like donald trump who
does not give his daughter to a jew. >> late last night i spoke with him by phone. how can you possibly defend that? >> i just don't think that there's anything wrong with racism, frankly. >> still he's now encouraging his followers to lay low after charlottesville. >> you want them to deescalate for how long? >> i don't know the answer to that question. we have to regroup. right now things are too hot. it's looking bad for a lot of things and we need to calm down. >> police say protester james fields killed a woman with his car. another white nationalist says that may temporarily hurt the cause. >> i think there's going tab a setback but eventually there will be more meeting and gatherings but that may be six months down the road. >> every time we talk about this i think there are people who feel uncomfortable, hugely disturbed by what we're hearing. can you talk through how folks in charlottesville with doing with this? they saw a lot f these folks come in from out of the country,
out of town. it wasn't their town. what's the mood there on the ground days tafter the violence >> reporter: the people here on the ground that we've been speaking to and the people who showed up to a candle light vigil last night, they would prefer to focus on the people who died in this tragedy. they honored heather hire last night. hundreds of people showed up last night marching with candles in the same area that the nationalists marched there. a but the white nationalists that we have spoke within said that they do plan to return to charlottesville. but again, folks here, including the governor, say they would rather focus on the victims. >> gabe, thank you. we also are looking at new polling that shows that 67% of americans believe the crash in charlottesville should be investigated as an act of
economic terror. and this npr marist poll finds that feeling crosses party lines. 76% of democrats, 60% of republicans and 63% of independents agree it was an act of terror. it comes after democrats called on chairman mccall to schedule hearings on domestic terror and senator lindsey graham is calling for dhs to form a task force. joining me now, former dnc adviser and elise jordan, msnbc political analyst and columnist for "time" magazine. lawmakers in both parties agree on something. that this is potentially domestic terror. this should be look at, congress should be taking action on that. what should congress actually be doing. we've talked about the problem again and again. what are the solutions for lawmakers? >> the first thing is everybody needs to rebuke the disgraceful
comments of donald trump and how he's handle that. >> is that a political solution or an actual concrete solution. >> it's a symbolic solution that we need to show these folks, these terrorists groups, these right-wingers that there is no place in america for this. and right now what you have is that door was opened by trump two days ago and the door needs to be slammed in their face. the second thing is we need to get history and facts into what we're talking about when we're talking about the confederacy and successionists. the party of lincoln, the irony is that abraham lincoln was murdered by a confederate sympathizer and now we have the president of the united states glorifying the confederacy. the third thing is there are a number of things bipartisan that we could do. we could talk about a committee to look at domestic terrorism. we could look at reauthorizing the voting rights act.
we could talk about maybe tearing down that pence coback voting commission which is depriving the right of voting to many americans. i think there are a number of things that congress can do. criminal justice reform. >> elise, i want you to talk to me a little bit about what doug is talking about here. do you think that these are realistic concrete solutions to this? what would your advice be? >> i think that we should have hearings looking at white supremacy in this country. but i think that the knockout blow to the white supremacy movement would be criminal justice reform. this is what the senate, the house, they all should be looking at bipartisan solutions to a criminal justice system that disproportionately targets the poor and minorities. you've seen narts lick rand paul, cory booker, coming together to push solutions toward unfair bail for the poor, for disproportionate sentencing for drug offenses to try to take on the prison industrial complex
and bring back some justice to this country to a judicial system, to a criminal justice system that has really become the embodiment of the modern jim crowe. that is what we can do to actually move beyond symbols here. >> thank you both for joining us here. we don't want you to his as we talk about what's happened in sar lotsville, the exclusive interview with the mother of heather hire, today at 2:00 p.m. on msnbc. we're be back with the big picture. so that's the idea. what do you think? hate to play devil's advocate but...
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