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around for the course of the afternoon. trying to contain yourself. >> let me go outside ask see this thing! >> no, you can't leave. you can't leave. dylan, thank you. we'll come back in a moment and get back to all of our correspondents in just a few moments, as well. it is right now, though, 1:00 on the east coast. that means we are roughly 20 minutes away from folks in mad res, oregon, becoming some of the first to experience what happens when the moon completely covers the sun. this will be the first total eclipse visible in america since 1979. it will be the first since 1918 to cross the entire continent. the moon's shadow will start in oregon. it will spin across the country this afternoon, along the path that you see there, covering some 14 states, just over 12 million people. many of whom are about to enjoy a celestial spectacle the likes
of which the majority of us will never see again. we have unleashed the full power of the peacock and spread our correspondents and experts around the country with a particular focus on that 70-mile-wide path of totality. even if you're not in the path, as you just heard from dylan, depending on cloud cover, you are still going to get quite the historic show in the sky. darkness will interrupt the day. shadows will become strange. temperatures may drop. those who have seen it describe it as nothing short of the most au awe-inspiring spectacle of mother nature. a total solar eclipse. this is going to be magical. it's going to be a lot of fun, too. with us these next two hours, reporters across the country. jacob soboroff, marianna atencio, tom costello in south carolina. and a wealth of experts on solar eclipses who will tell us precisely what we will be seeing, what scientists hope to
learn, and how to safely observe it all. that's very important, that last point. we'll get to that in a moment. let's start with jacob soboroff there close to the middle of the state. he's got two folks there who have -- jacob, as i understand it, they have been there since thursday? >> reporter: yeah, they have, craig. i'm going to take a seat here with -- laurel and amber, right? >> yeah. >> reporter: laurel and amber. laurel, actually, craig, is a high school science teacher. and why don't you just tell me -- you spent four nights out here already. what brought you out here so early? >> we're super nerds. so my birthday was on thursday. >> happy birthday. >> thank you. so this is kind of my birthday trip. a once in a lifetime opportunity, i wanted to get maybe the best seat in the house and i felt like this was it. >> reporter: i think you sure do. amber, let's take a look at what we're seeing right now, which is a partial solar eclipse. still a couple minutes away here from the total. i can't see you, things are so dark. what does it look like to you right now? >> i think it looks like a
really orange banana at this point. >> reporter: it does look like a really orange banana. when you look up at that, laurel, what's the feeling you get? >> i just think it's amazing. and what's so exciting to me about this is we're essentially -- science is about making predictions, making testable predictions. and a whole lot of people were able to make this prediction. we didn't know there would be an eclipse. we predicted there would be. and all of us right here are confirming that prediction and i love it. >> reporter: it's an absolutely extraordinary thing to see, craig. again, from my vantage point, the way to describe it, it looks like you would think a moon normally looks. but looking through these special glasses, you're looking directly at the sun, and you see that shadow of the moon slowly moving across. the temperature actually is starting to feel like it's getting cooler out here. the sky is actually starting to get darker. it almost has a gray hue to it now. and just looking behind me, more and more people are out here, as well as coming out of tents.
from a small town of 7,000 to around 100,000 people that have shown up here, just real quick, what does it feel like, amber, to be a part of something so big? >> it feels like christmas. the best christmas ever. i'm so excited. >> reporter: except for a little more temperate and no santa claus. >> don't go too far, my friend. 15 minutes away from that total solar eclipse there in oregon. and we're going to spend some time talking about precisely why it was that jacob was wearing those glasses and those two women, as well. you probably heard a bit over the past few days and weeks about precisely why you do not want to look directly into the eclipse. we'll talk about that in a moment. let's get back to carbondale, illinois, dark for more than two-and-a-half minutes. this is the longest duration of the eclipse in the country. marianna atencio standing by. had some cheerleaders a few moments ago. who do you have now, marianna?
>> reporter: craig, what i have for you is this ticket to get inside the stadium where 15,000 people are going to watch this. the crowds are starting to pour into the stadium. now this costs $25. i don't need to be checked in. because i'm media. and people are coming in from all over the world. just in the past couple of days that i've been here in carbondale. i've met people from japan, mexico, spain, france. and a lot of families, especially. families like the reagan family. how are you guys? >> good, and you? >> reporter: where are you coming from? >> we came from chisago. >> why was this important? >> it's a rare event and wanted our children to see it. we planned it several months ago. >> reporter: so what has your mom told you about the eclipse? >> well, you should keep your glasses on because you'll hurt your eyes if you don't, because you're looking at the sun. >> reporter: and you're prepared. let me see your glasses. you can be the expert on the next segment for the importance of glasses, craig. are you excited to see the eclipse? >> yes. and my mom and my dad told me
the eclipse already started. >> reporter: yes, it did. it's about to start in the western part of the country. give me five, you guys. you were amazing. thank you so much for being with us. and craig, so many families like them, they're going to experience this together in this stadium behind me. 15,000 people have poured into carbondale, illinois, and the local businesses here are ex attic. it is estimated the private sector in carbondale will gain almost $20 million just by the influx of tourists and people all around the world who have come here to witness this astronomical event together. >> all right. we'll come back to you in a moment, as well. my friend and colleague, jeff rossen, is standing by, not far from where we sit here. he's in new york city, on the upper west side. new york city, by the way, expected to get an eclipse of about 70%. but here's the thing, jeff. that doesn't mean that folks should take viewing any less seriously, right? >> reporter: yeah, you can never look at the sun. whether it's 1% or 70% eclipsed.
no matter where you live in the country, you need these special solar eclipse glasses. craig, i'm not sure you have them on the set with you, but i saw a tweet from you this morning, i think, from your really cool looking glasses. yours are the fashionable kind. >> i've got them on now, brother. >> reporter: oh, you do? see? look how good that looks. this is just the paper kind, but both will be fine, as long as they are certified by nasa. and so we have a full list on my facebook page, facebook.com/rossenreports of the manufacturers that are approved. and here's what you want to do. if you have the glasses at home right now, the first stop you want to make is all this writing over here, look for the manufacturer name. look for the manufacturer name. you want to look for this, too. see, it says iso? you want it to be iso-certified. and what you want to look for -- i'm not sure how close you can get to it. iso 123-12-2.
that is what you want to look for on your glasses. make sure it's there. along with the manufacturer name and cross-reference to make sure it's good. there are counterfeits out therther there. there are people out there trying to rip people off. if you have the glasses and you put them on and it is pitch-black and you say, well, what's going on here, that's exactly what it's supposed to be. pitch-black. because when you look up at the sun, it will block everything else out, except for the sun. so right now i can't see where the camera is, and that's the way it's supposed to be. another tip for you. this is my daughter, skylar, my 11-year-old, skylar. so she came to watch the eclipse with me today. she wears glasses. if you have glassions at home like skylar does, you're supposed to put the solar eclipse glasses over your glasses so you can see it well. how does that feel? >> good. >> reporter: what does the sun look like through those? >> it looks like an orange circle, and i can only see the sun. everything else is black. >> reporter: everything else is black.
except for the sun. that's the way it's supposed to be, craig. so 70% tolltality here in new york. and we have clear-blue skies. we're ready to rock this. >> jeff, really quickly. if i've waited until the last minute, if i don't have the glasses, if there is no one that i can call to borrow a pair of these things, is there anything else i can do? or should i just stay inside? >> reporter: you know, i've seen a lot of these home made things online, ways to make a home made device, and that is well and good if you were to do it perfectly. my personal opinion, and speaking with all the experts, that is dangerous, because if you do one thing wrong, and no one is there to tell you -- unless you have a nasa astronaut or astronomer living with you, i think that's dangerous. you want to watch on msnbc or nbc.com to watch it yourself so you're safe. you need to have these glasses by now. and if you do have them, i want you to check for all of those things because you want to make sure you don't have a counterfeit. >> jeff rossen. we always learn something when
you're on television, sir. >> reporter: watch craig melvin. what other advice do we need? >> thank you. and a big thanks to your daughter, as well. our friend, sam champion, legendary weather man, has decided to drag himself off the beach to come in and enjoy some astronomical history. when you look at the scene there in illinois, we are roughly nine minutes away from totality there. guys like you, how excited do you get? >> we're super psyched. when we show the graphics, and everyone is talking about, oh, it's difficult, you know, to get one of these. but the variables, you don't want to do 9the math. we've got the moon phase, the orbit of the moon, is 27 days. the moon phase to go from new moon to full moon is 29 days. the orbit of the moon wobbles on the sun. so everything has to be perfect. this is so, so incredibly
unique. the variables are great. so when this happens, run. don't walk. run to see it. and we are the only planet in the solar system that has a moon that's capable of the right size and right position to block out the sun fully. and take jupiter, who has like 6 0 minutes. none of them will do what this does on earth. >> especially considering how much larger the sun is than the moon. >> 400 is everything in that number. the sun is 400 times the size of the moon. the moon -- the sun is 400 times farther away than our moon. so when you line them up in just the right way, boom, you get that. and the thing about this is, if you were waiting 1 billion years from now, we wouldn't even get this. because the moon is actually drifting away from the earth in its orbit. slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly. so about a billion -- and then the numbers are -- may vary, anywhere from 500 million to a
million years from now. >> we're watching this live shot courtesy of nasa. it would seem as if during the course of our conversation over the last 90 seconds or so, it would seem as if we're almost at totality. >> yeah. >> is that what we're looking at here? >> that's exactly what you're looking at. so it's going to look like -- and don't worry, east coast and middle of the country. your time is coming. remember, this shadow starts on the west coast and then races across the country. so when you're seeing these things on tv and you're looking out the window and you don't see this, you will. if you're in the path of totality. this is exactly what you'll see. that shadow blocking the sun's light until it looks almost like a sliver of the moon. and then you'll get that full coverage. and exactly what that young man said in your live shot was so brilliant. because in that full coverage of totality, there are two very special things that go on. bailey's beads, because the shape of the edge of the moon is very rocky. there's mountains, cliffs, craters, all this wild stuff. so when the moon pulls in front of the sun, you'll see these
coming around the rocky, crater stuff, and little beads of light around this ring. and then there is just going to be one and they call that the diamond ring phase. and it is so beautifully special to see. so, you know, watch it on tv, if you're not in the totality. because this is going to be a crazy, wonderful thing. >> left side of the screen is where this total eclipse is set to start, roughly six minutes from now. ride sight of your scene, uss yorktown, where this event is set to wrap-up here a couple hours from now. sam, a few moments ago, we saw that orange ring around. was that the corona we saw there? >> the only time you can ever see the corona of the sun is when you've got a total eclipse going on. because the light of the sun makes it too bright to see that dancing glow on the outside of the sun. and this is one of the things that scientists are so excited about, because we can't see it at any other time than total eclipse, this is the one time we get to study it. and there are so many things we don't understand it. like we believe that corona,
that ring, that golden orange ring where the rays are shooting off the edge of the moon's shadow, we believe that's a million degrees or so hotter than the actual sun itself. and we don't know why. so this is a great opportunity to study the gases, what we know that comes off the sun that interrupts our radio and tv frequencies periodically. we get to study that now. >> let's get back to jacob soboroff standing by in oregon. we are roughly five minutes away from totality. jacob, how has this scene changed there in oregon, sir? >> reporter: well, it's darker, for one. it's certainly less and less light as the time goes on. this is really cool. so this is a whole family and group of friends. this gentleman brought this amazing telescope. when you look through this, we basically see what you're looking at from nasa that we have got up close and personal. this is a tiny sliver of the sun. five minutes left, they're telling me. what you were telling me just now, when this ultimately happens, we're going to see a
massive shadow come 2,000 miles an hour from that way, which is the west. >> that's the west, yeah. >> reporter: towards us here in the east. >> jefferson is going to go dark before it gets to total here. >> reporter: so, craig, if we are together and connect at the right time, we're actually going to see 2,000-mile-an-hour shadow, which is the speed at which this total eclipse of the sun is progressing across the united states. throw this place into darkness in a matter of moments. i'm going to quickly check out the sun one more time with my special glasses here. this is probably the dorkiest thing anybody can do on national television. it's getting smaller and smaller. you guys are all here together as a group. one thing, craig, i learned, show me the eye patches. what's that about? >> so if you want to acclimate your eye to totality, if you keep this one dark, so when it's totally dark, then you don't have to waste time having your eye get used to being in total darkness. >> reporter: so four minutes from now, craig, it will go into total darkness here.
and that patch, i guess, is critical to becoming acclimated. what i'm told by these guys, you're going to be able to look up at the sky and see stars as if it was nighttime. and, again, 360 degrees all around us, it will look as though it's dusk, as though the sun is setting for only about two minutes and then slowly go back into a partial eclipse again. only a matter of minutes now. only a matter of seconds, i guess i could say. >> jacob, i want to come back to you in 90 seconds. don't go far. i want to bring in gadi schwartz, in casper, wyoming. gadi, safe to assume, it's also gotten darker there, as well? >> reporter: yeah, starting to get a little bit darker and definitely the sun is almost covered up. the only way to really experience this is this first-class kind of lying down. and then you've got a hill over here. we're in casper, wyoming. this is my friend, maria. i'm just going to join you on the hill, here. just going to lean back, and tell me what you're seeing, maria.
>> i'm seeing a huge sliver. and it almost looks like if it was white, it could be the moon. but it is the sun, so it's orange. and the black is coming in. >> reporter: it looks like it's the opposite, sun and moon. >> exactly. >> reporter: when was the last time you saw an eclipse? >> it was in the '60s, but it was a -- a partial. it was a pretty good one. and -- >> reporter: you still remember it? >> oh, yes. >> reporter: vivid? >> we were in the military, and we were in a military quarters. and i looked up, had no idea what was going on. suddenly, it got dark. i said, what's going on? and then once it was over, the roosters started crowing. >> reporter: the roosters. they thought it was morning. >> morning. >> reporter: wow. yeah. definitely something completely unforgettable. and you see out here, there's a lot of people all along this hill, and then you've got people all along the ridge right now.
this is what it looks like in casper, wyoming. this is a place that basically doubled in size, the population doubled in size over at the airport, planes landing to see this. so we're going to go ahead and keep an eye on it, craig. back to you. >> we'll come back to you in a bit. gadi in wyoming. let's go back to illinois again. we are roughly 60 seconds away now, by my count, sam champion. >> here we go, craig. >> my kw > >> my goodness. >> reporter: it's pretty incredible. you can hear the crowd starting to cheer. the sky is definitely darkening. everyone looking up at the sun being covered up by the moon. the air temperature is getting colder. let's take a look at the crowd right now. it's -- it's an extraordinary thing to behold. and physically, it is getting colder. by the second. they say a 60-second countdown. people are out here cheering.
and if you look with the special glasses and through -- here we go. here it comes -- >> look! >> reporter: here comes the shadow. >> woo! >> reporter: reminder, it is 10:19 in the morning here in oregon. >> and we have it. >> reporter: but it feels as though we are getting into the late hours of the evening. the sky is going dark. >> my goodness. that is what totality looks like. >> reporter: we are now in a virtual -- total eclipse. of the sun. >> reporter: i've got to be honored, craig. i have the chills. this is the moment where you can take your glasses off. take a look at the sun in the sky completely obscured by the
moon. it is an absolutely beautiful thing to see. you have waited a lifetime to see this. how do you feel right now? >> planning for two years. and it's finally found a place. and the smoke was in this morning, i thought it was going to be completely covered up and there it is. i've never seen it before. it's spectacular. i'm going to watch now. >> reporter: okay, go ahead. craig, i think a lot of people feel that way. i've certainly never seen anything like it. it looks like a giant starburst, which i suppose in scientific terms is exactly what it is behind the moon. it's amazing. >> reporter: from this vantage point. and, again, my vantage point certainly nothing compared to yours, but from this vantage point, fat out amazing, sam champion. >> this is one of the few times you'll feel like you're not on planet earth. because during the middle of the day, we don't get sunset. we don't get darkness. and on an eclipse, you do. so it's this awe-inspiring feeling, craig, when you're standing there and all of a sudden the sky goes dark, the
birds get quiet. you start to see the stars and some planets you don't normally get a chance to see with the naked eye. because the sun and the bright skies will keep you from seeing them. you'll be able to see pluto, mercury is also a visible today. now what you're looking at from nasa -- one of the things when we flip shots and you see the nasa emblem right there, you're going to see nasa telescope, but also going to see the wing of a plane. nasa and a lot of scientists are flying along the path of totality. so they can get a nice, long look. because if they were on the ground, they would only get that two-minute, 2:40 look. in a plane, they'll be able to race along that shadow and they'll be able to show us a little bit more and they'll be able to see more. so right now every time we show you from now on for the rest of the time of this eclipse, the shots will look different. >> jacob, are you seeing stars and planets. >> reporter: just real quick, a couple things we're seeing right now. you were saying the bailey's beads. describe what they are. essentially, what i was told before -- coming out of total
eclipse right now. the bailey's beads, i'm going to put my glasses back on as the sun comes back from behind the moon. but the bailey's beads were the reflection, the sun coming off the surface of the moon. we're also seeing planets venus, many, many stars, as if it was the dark of night, craig. and now we are slowly but surely seeing the sun again emerge from behind the moon. i say slowly, but, again, 2,000 miles an hour is how fast this path of totality is, crossing the united states of america right now. >> jacob, it would seem as if the crowd that's gathered there, not disappointed at all in this celestial spectacle. >> reporter: no, let me ask this gentleman right here. sir, did this meet, exceed or disappoint you, your expectations? >> no, couldn't prepare for it. it's unlike anything i've ever experienced. >> reporter: it's incredible, isn't it? >> yeah. >> reporter: there is no
objective journalism in watching a total eclipse of the sun, craig. it's really one of the coolest things i've ever seen. and it just -- it feels -- truly amazing. and something in a time when, you know, all the other stuff we talk about in and out, day in and day out, on our network and, you know, just amongst our friends, this is something that really is bringing everybody together in this country and it's a privilege to be a part of it. >> yeah, it is. it is, jacob soboroff. thank you, my friend. i want to come back and maybe spend some time with that woman in the purple. for her, it really did look like it was pretty close to a religious experience. left side of the screen, again, that is madres, oregon. four minutes ago. we saw totality there. and, again, this thing is going to be moving east. we are going to -- we're going to be moving east, following it, as it moves east. on the right side of your screen, by the way, that's night vision in madres, oregon. you see folks who are still
looking up, those who are not looking up, don't have their glasses on. so we like to see that. we like to see folks appearing to take the necessary precautions. gordon petri, solar scientist, with the national solar observatory in boulder, colorado. he watched the eclipse from salem, oregon. he comes to us now by phone. and gordon, we keep hearing that an event like this is a bonanza for the scientific community. why is that? >> the reason is, it's the best to observe the lower parts of the solar atmosphere to show the most active and dangerous parts. so this gives us a unique look into the flares of the solar atmosphere that you can't quite engineer with telescopes yet. >> the eclipse, as you saw it there in salem, describe it for us.
>> well, it was a beautifully symmetric structure. you saw regions which were dark and then gorgeous streamers coming out the sides. two on one side, and one on the other. so it looked a bit triangular in appearance. the tails whiisping off into th wind. >> you'll have to excuse me, i'm a bit taken aback. >> it will do it, right? >> i wasn't expecting that. i had seen video, but it's -- experiencing it live, it's -- it's pretty impressive. >> and it's even cooler when you're standing outside. because, you know, the wind will die down a little bit. the temperature will drop about ten degrees, at least ten degrees. so you get all of your senses going for this experience when you're standing in that path of totality. you know, it's a visual -- you'll feel it on your skin when the temperature changes. you hear the crowd go crazy. because they're looking at it at
the same time you are. and then this will repeat for the next, you know, couple of hours in communities all across america, it will look exactly like that. >> everyone in the path of totality is going to get the show we just saw. >> but remember, even if you're not in that path, america will get a partial eclipse. so if you're on either side of the dark line we show you on the map, there is still every reason to be excited because you'll see at least what looks like that, and a lot of places in america will see that crescent. and when the sun is a crescent, it's a totally different thing from the moon. it's just this gorgeous, orange glow. >> that rare coast to coast march is under way across this country right now. and there are a lot of folks who are very, very excited. do i still have jacob soboroff? is he still hanging out there in oregon? >> reporter: as i said, it's an emotional experience. >> jacob, are you with me? >> reporter: are you there, craig? >> i am. i just heard you talking about an emotional experience.
>> reporter: yeah. i was talking to miguel almaguer. come here. my fellow correspondent here from nbc news, and i were just talking about what it is like to actually cover this thing. i said to miguel, it was an emotional experience. and he said i almost cried. >> reporter: it was undescribable. and for people in our profession who are supposed to describe what's happening to other people, it was really, really difficult to do. i mean, people told us it was going to be moving, it was spiritual, it will make you cry. i thought, i've heard that before. experienced this before. but that, jacob, truly was surreal. >> reporter: i've never seen anything like it. and, of course, this is like a once in a lifetime experience for people that live in the united states for at least for this thing to go all the way across the country. the -- it was almost like the air was sucked out of this entire place. >> reporter: the temperature dropped, the excitement level went up. people started to clap, people started to cheer. you looked into the sky and see just that sliver of sun and then when we dipped into that totality, it was a surreal experience. i mean, there's really no dollar
amount you could put on an experience like that. i mean, it was moving. >> reporter: yeah. i had been saying for the last couple days, this is like the coachella for nerds. people are out here camping, there's 100,000 people out here. but i -- i feel like i've been welcomed into the community of nerds out here. >> reporter: absolutely. it's been a great experience. since we first arrived here, people have been saying come on in, sharing food, sharing their experiences. and now we all got to share this together, which makes it so much better. >> reporter: yeah. there are a few things that are cool enough you want to interview your colleague about, but craig, this is one of them. i'll send it back to you. >> and here's the thing. miguel almaguer spends a great deal of time crisscrossing this country, covering wildfires and all sorts of other things that might make one emotional. so for him to say that this almost moved him to tears, that's saying a lot. i've known miguel for a number of years. so he doesn't get moved too easily. >> reporter: there's no doubt about it. he said you cover just about everything, so for you to be moved -- >> reporter: it was moving. >> jacob, the folks who were
gathered there in that field, what will they all do now? >> reporter: yeah, that's a good question. i think they've got to get out of here by the end of the day, because this is somebody's private property. but for now, for another hour and a half, if i can check out -- yeah. we have about another hour and a half of partial eclipse to stand here and watch. so frankly, i'm not going anywhere. i don't think any of these people are going anywhere, either, craig. >> we're going to go somewhere right now, though. we'll come back to you in a bit. my regards to miguel, as well. jolene kent covers business for nbc news, msnbc, all of the p peacock properties. what we're going to see in carbondale, columbia, nashville, a lot of these communities are going to see quite the infusion of money over the next day or so, i would imagine. no? >> reporter: yeah, definitely. you've got hotel rooms going for five, ten, twenty times the price. what i want to point out, this
is the west coast, known for having the most solar panels. so what happens when the moon blocks the sun to all of that solar energy that's created? well, it actually takes a huge hit. and according to the california folks who govern solar energy, they're saying they're going to see a 6 gigawatt hit on solar energy. so this affects 6 million families. and you end up having to pump up your wind energy. use that stored up hydropower. in order to make sure those homes don't experience blackouts. and all of that is going to happen all the way across the country, all the way to north carolina. duke energy saying the exact same thing. but this is a really interesting thing too, for companies, because we're seeing 7$700 million lost in productivity because we're watching the eclipse, putting on glasses, stepping outside, and that's at least $700 million in productivity loss. >> like march madness times a few. >> yeah. >> this is casper, wyoming. this is the next point of
totality. we're told. and sam, this is not a scene that's going to get old this afternoon, man. >> no, because remember, it is different than seeing it on camera. i'm getting people on twitter who said, hey, we just decided to watch with you guys, because it's so much fun. but if you're in that path of totality, being outside for it is kind of an incredible experience and it will not get old. getting to the solar power thing, when you think about 1% of the country that gets their power from solar power, this is an interesting experiment, a day of scientific experiments. and this is a very interesting experience, because california, while the country may be at 1%, california is about 30 to 50%. >> that's right. >> so we'll see how they ramp up and how they change and how successful it is when you lose the sun in the middle of your power up day. >> and we have never seen this issue before since 1979. this wasn't -- we didn't have this type of solar energy generation. >> sam, the northwest, i heard earlier this week, a lot of folks traveled out to that part of the country because historically, the skies are
clearer in places like wyoming and places like oregon, in places like idaho. is that the case? >> it certainly is for this time of year and it has been true this year. we have had a lot of dry air into the northwest for this summer. it's been brutally hot and very, very clear and dry. so the only little fly in the ointment with this, and i talked to a lot of people today on twitter. on the coast of oregon and california, there was some coastal fog that didn't want to burn off. once you got away from the coast, you got a pretty good shot. and the west coast has some of the best weather. the west and the inner mountain west has some of the best weather and clear skies to be able to see what we all want to see. that beautiful, perfect moon with nothing in its way. there will be some clouds, once you get into the middle of the country. and also on the east coast there will be some low clouds. but don't be discouraged. still being under clouds in an eclipse is an incredible thing. you're going to see that light change. and you maybe even -- with your solar glasses, may be able to look up through the thin clouds
and watch that shape even through the thin clouds. so even though it's a little cloudy where you are, if you're in the path of totality, don't break down yet. stay where you are. >> when history happens here at nbc news, we like to turn to the man in the building who has covered more history, arguably, than anybody else here in 30 rock. tom brokaw joining me now on the phone from bozeman, montana, where, tom, as i understand it, the eclipse is passing over as we speak? >> reporter: well, i must say that i'm on my own piece of rock. i'm on a mountaintop in the range about 7,000 feet. and in the last 20 minutes or so, we have been watching the moon move across the sun. it suddenly got much cooler. but the light has not changed that dramatically. it's now late afternoon light here. i'm looking down across a lot of cattle. they're not doing anything dramatically different. we had thought that maybe it
would affect some animal behavior. there was a bear spotted earlier. but by and large, i'm looking out on this magnificent scene in what was once a hunting ground. so i can only imagine what it was like here 200 years ago. so the crow when they're out on a hunt and suddenly lost their sense. that's what we're experiencing here, and it's quite mystical. almost like being at the birth of time. and it's kind of reassuring, as well, that nature is totally in charge and we're all united by the idea of this eclipse of the sun. maybe we can hope it all pulls together politically. >> wouldn't that be nice. tom, 79, roughly 38 years ago, you were our man that night, guiding us through coverage. how does this event compare to the last total eclipse nearly four decades ago? >> reporter: well, i think that there's just much more awareness
of it. and that has a lot to do with social media. it's 24/7 now, where you are, or on cable on social media. people are much more in touch with each other. so any unexpected or dramatic event like this one is, which is out of the usual, there is a much larger crowd. and everybody focuses on one thing. we're moving from one dramatic moment in history to anotherful because you can't escape it. and it's something kind of reassuring about that. i was thinking about youngsters now, and science glasses, for example. they'll learn a lot about how the universe works, and how nature really is in charge. the rest of us can do what we think is best for the country. or best for the world. but nature at the end of the day is really in charge. >> amen to that. tom brokaw, bozeman, montana. mr. brokaw, we always enjoy having your insight and perspective, sir.
thank you. i'll let you get back to the show in the sky. >> reporter: well, thank you very much. it's wonderful to be able to spend two hours sitting up here on a mountain top with nothing else to worry about except when i'm going to get out of here. so good luck. we'll be watching through the day. >> tom brokaw, special correspondent, long-time anchor of "nbc nightly news," and still very much the guiding force here at the peacock, as well. tom costello, standing by there in god's country. some call it south carolina. this will be the last spot that the eclipse will pass through here. in an hour and some change. he is in south carolina. charleston harbor. what's happening there, mr. costello, as this thing nears? >> reporter: first of all, this is your hometown, right? so i know why you call it god's country. it is beautiful. behind me, you've got the harbor. look at all of the boats out here, getting ready to watch the eclipse. and i'm going ask george to pan up to the sky. we've got a problem here.
we've got a lot of cloud cover. however, we are seeing, if you can just peek through the clouds, you do see now maybe about a quarter or so, maybe a third of the sun is starting to be eaten away ever so slightly by the moon. so it certainly is spectacular, and we're watching it very closely. they say totality here will happen at about 2:46 p.m. eastern time. this is where we are. we're on the "uss yorktown," right here in charleston, harbor. al, come here. i need an update live on msnbc >> yes, sir. >> reporter: is the cloud cover going to hear? >> we're hoping. in fact, in the last five minutes, it has become much -- a little clearer. >> reporter: it is better, isn't it? >> it was much more obscured about ten minutes ago. >> reporter: it looks pretty good. we're getting there, slowly, slowly getting there. listen, as you know, craig, this is the landmark here in charleston harbor with "uss
yorktown." we're actually on mt. pleasant. >> that's right. three rivers coming together. and then the charleston harbor and raf necessarily bridge. >> reporter: a terrific day, everybody excited. >> it's a little hot. i brought you a cooling towel. >> reporter: do you have a margarita, by chance? >> okay. that's after totality. look who else is here? we've got stephanie ruhle. >> reporter: stephanie ruhle is here. quickly, quickly, quickly! so i'm the only one wearing the microphone. so what do you think? it's starting to peek through right now. >> i'm tempted to look up. it's starting to peek through. i brought my home made -- >> it's a little cloudy. >> we're sending it back to craig. >> very exciting, craig. >> we're going to come back to you guys in a moment. but for our viewers at home, and maybe even our listeners, as well, if you're driving along,
let me describe this for you. or attempt to describe it, although i would tell you that adjectives are actually kind of hard to come by. this is jackson hole, wyoming. this is the scene there. dylan dreyer, we expect to be approaching, again, totality. >> it's awesome, isn't it? >> it really is. how much are you hating being stuck in the studio right now? >> i love being able to explain the science, but i would love to be outside even more. >> for folks at home right now, describe what we're looking at. describe what we're seeing? >> well, you're starting to see that, you know, the orbit of the moon cross between the sun and the earth. and the coolest thing about it is, we are in just the prime location. if you think about it, the earth is 400 times larger than the moon. but it's also 400 times farther away from earth than the moon is. so it's that equation that creates this perfect lineup in the sky for the moon to completely block out the sun. to the point where you can actually take your glasses off for a second, because there are
no harmful raise coming from the sun because it is totally blocked from the moon. and the best part about watching this total eclipse is that most areas are seeing clear skies. so you can actually look up and witness this event. it's not like it's happening behind, and is obscured by the clouds. except for areas like south carolina, but even there i think we're going to really get those moments where you could luck out and see the clouds part for a second. it's just those popup thunderstorms. so i think most of the country is actually going to see this eclipse. >> as we approach totality there in jackson hole. and, you know, you tell me if this is a question that's a little too nerdy and too in the weeds. this is casper, by the way. why is it moving from west to east? >> it's a little complicated to explain. the best way i can do it is to kind of give you an example. you know you're driving in a car, right? >> yeah. >> you're going at a certain speed? >> yeah. >> a bike rides by you, right? also going at a lesser speed.
so you think of the orbit of the moon versus the orbit around the sun. that the earth is doing. so we're all going the same direction. but if you were to look out your window and look at that bike, wouldn't it look like it's going backwards? so that's why this whole thing, because of the different speeds of the orbits, it's like an optical illusion and looks like it's going backwards. >> good to have all of you meteorologists around orthopedic surgeon days like this. dylan, don't go anywhere. i want to bring sam champion back into the conversation, as well. again, casper, wyoming. they're on mountain time. so roughly 11:41 there in casper, as we approach, once again, totality, sam. >> so this is now we start to get to what will be longer and longer totality, until we get to carbondale, illinois. so what we saw first in oregon where you saw the beautiful ring and the bubbling lights, or the rays shooting out from the ring
and then it condenses to the bailey's beads, because of the crater and mountain shape of the edge of the moon. then as it continues to move, you'll get just one spot that hangs upon. and that's that diamond ring. the great thing about sitting here and watching it again, because some of you were saying, i saw it, why do i need to see it again? really, seriously? we're going to do this across the country. because by the time you get from now to carbondale, you'll get to see those dancing lights around the edge of that shadow, longer. and that's what's exciting about this as we watch across the country. again, something you'll see tomorrow in video, but you'll see it live today. >> i think we just achieved totality. did i just get totality there? no? we're not sure how we lost the camera. >> look like it bumped there. a lot of people are shooting through -- >> we're back.
it's rude to talk over a total solar eclipse. we heard the same thing in oregon that we are hearing in casper, wyoming. when totality is achieved, you can hear the thousands of people who have been camping out here who have assembled to watch this show in the sky. they erupt in cheering there. >> did you see what looks like a 360-degree sunset also? >> are we going to see that all afternoon, as well? >> during the total eclipse. >> this is casper, wyoming,
right now, by the way, folks. casper, wyoming, 11:43 a.m. and this is totality. >> that's it. >> that's why we can look right at it. because all you're seeing is basically the corona, the atmosphere of the sun. coming past the moon. but everything else is safe to look at. >> that's the one moment you can take advantage of dropping those glasses and taking a look at this. when you start to see the rays brighten up, put them right back on because even a sliver can burn the back of your eye. >> i wonder, what are scientists thinking right now when they look at this? what are they learning? >> a lot of it is we've got to understand what that corona is. you know, we know that it's gases. we know that it's super heated. but we really need to understand more of the life of the sun. and we need to understand why the temperature has changed. and we learn a lot. there will be science that comes out of this that explains something else. that won't even be astronomy. remember the theory of
relatively was confirmed because of watching the light bend. there will be science experiments done here that we don't understand the power and importance. >> one of the cool things nasa is going to do, they're going to look to social media and look at all of the photos that people submit so that they can examine the corona of the sun and use that to help with their research and what exactly that all does with electrical storms and what happens in space because of it. >> what are we watching now as totality passes, we go back to the partial eclipse? >> on the other side. >> how long, typically, will that last, the partial eclipse? >> it's going to be -- depending on where you are on the path, it's equal. so as you're standing there looking up at it, as the shadow starts to cover the sun, and then you get your totality, and then the shadow leaves the sun, those things will be fairly equal on either side. and the thing that will change
will be how long you get to witness that total eclipse. >> there's casper, wyoming. >> one thing i would be interested -- i know it's hard to find a place to watch this by yourself. if there was someone in an isolated location, i would like to know just how much the birds stop chirping, how the crickets come out. if all of that depends on dark and day of night. >> tom brokaw. >> he's got a lot of acreage. tom made a good point, too. one of the big differences between now and 1979, the last time we saw something like this in this country, obviously social media didn't exist back in the late 70s, but our vantage point, we saw a shot a few moments ago from a drone. and i would imagine a lot of folks are employing those drones today to capture some of the
images that we're seeing now, some of the images we're probably going to be seeing. >> the left side of your screen, that's what it looks like on the ground in casper, wyoming. and on the right side of your screen, that is what it looks like in the sky. control room, do i have that right? casper wyoming, as well? correct. and we appear to be, again, approaching totality in cat per, wyoming. casper, wyoming. one would assume we also would hear the same thing we heard in oregon, as well. when the sun is completely enveloped by the moon, the people will begin to cheer. it's wild how we can actually watch. >> it's so hard. >> yes.
>> i mean, in just 90 minutes, a shadow is being cast across the entire country. >> it's interesting to hear the comments from people in oregon, what to expect. there were some people who thought it would look like midnight. it's going to look like a dusk or dawn situation. and as dylan said, you've got a 350 sunset. so if u stabbed and look around. there are some very interesting things to see, and people are like, i was disappointed i didn't get to pitch-black. so i want everyone in the middle of the country to understand it's going to be a dusky glow. we have special tefilters on th cameras and lenses here. >> so even the cameras can't rook at the sun. >> right. >> reporter: gadi schwartz is
with us from cat pesper, wyomin. we want to hear from that smart legal nephew ow again in a few moments. he has since been signed to a contract here at msnbc. we look forward to getting his insight and expertise there in casper, wyoming, where, again, this is the next spot, we're told, for totality. and, again, for those of you who are at home right now who might be listening and watching and you shear us continue to use this phrase, dylan dreyer, path of totality, what does that mean? >> it's a cool buzz word, because, i mean, it sums up exactly what's happening. there is a path that goes from oregon to south carolina. and within that path, the sun is totally blocked by the moon. completely -- again, to the point where you can look at the sun, because it is safely blocked by the moon for that minute and a half, two-and-a-half minutes, depending on where you are. so it is the path where totality
happens. >> roughly 12.2 million people, according to the smart folks who scratch such things. even beside the 12.2, living in the path of totality, roughly two-thirds of thirds of the 310 million people who live in the united states of america, two thirds of them live within a days drive of totality. we have seen so many stories about traffic being backed up. >> even if you don't live in or near the path of totality, get out and look. the entire country will see 50% or more totality. even hawaii will see 30% or 40%. >> in carbondale, illinois, it's the longest duration, why is that?
>> it would be the same ever where. but what is so special is all of the variables that have to come together to make it happen. and the shadow is moving across a globe. so it will move fast, and then slow at the high point. >> we can see the scene there in the sky, what is the scene scli on the ground? >> it happened three or four minutes ago, it was insane, they started counting down. and you're expecting an eclipse, but you're not expecting what happens, the sky turns are crazy bluish red color and everyone goes wild, the only way to explain is it through the eyes of a kid. this is my nephew, i am going to ask you some questions, okay. what did you think about the
eclipse? >> breathtaking, speechless? >> that's how we all felt here. that is how we all felt, it is interesting to see what happens to everyone. their looking around, the glasses come off, and once they come off you look around and see you're surrounded by people in the sky. so a very spiritual experience, if you will. >> i don't even know how to describe it. it is almost like this. you know what an earthquake is, right? and then you finally understand it when you feel it. that is the only way to explain an eclipse. you know what the word is. something happens and it all just clicks. it is astounding out there.
>> totality. >> you're be on the snap chat these days. >> just saw it disappear for a little bit. we were running around like chickens with our heads cut off. it is called stay tuned. you can see anything that was going on here in casper, wyoming. we had to duck out, but there was just too much to snap. >> i would imagine this is all of the rage on social media. i'll let you get back to the family, thank ace eacer as well. that was the scene in wyoming. this is englewood cliffs, new jersey. we're about an hour from totality, but right now already you can see -- excuse me, the
partial eclipses in new jersey. we're seeing the sun come over. >> tom brokaw was such a great conversation, he is sitting out there putting it in historic perspective. witnessi witnessing something like this today, there was all of these tales and stories in history about why this was happening. they would say it was a lizard taking a bite from the sun, into northern parts of europe, it was a bear fighting with the sun or taking a bite from the sun. and there were early understandings of the eclipse, the greek astronomers knew very well and had charted exactly when it would happen and it took a lot of understanding and constant watching. we have drawings on rocks in
northern ireland dated at 5,000 years and they believe it is the sun, and the spirals, and the covering. they believe it has gone on for a very long time, and now that we know exactly what is happening, it is great to think that nothing is taking bite from the sun, that life won't be different. you know it will come right back at you, you don't have to fear now the way they did hundreds and thousands of years ago. >> carbondale, illinois. that's what we're looking at right now. a live look right there courtesy of our friends at nasa. that is the scene above the stadium. we're handionging out with 15 thousands of the closest friends. >> they are so amped up and it
is so warm out. it is every 90 degrees. this is the mascot, for people to vent a little, and this is like a college, you see your cheerleaders have come out just in time to say high to you and then there is a cast of star wars. there is a couple people from the movie armageddon, and it's getting more and more exciting. i'm here with a college junior and a senior. how exciting is this for you. >> a lot of visitors. >> dominic, you have swag that i have seen a lot of people carrying, can you show us -- >> it's the map of the solar system, planets and galaxys, we have a nasa sticker.
we have total eclipse manual/guide. >> i see binoculars, yes, nasa binoculars. >> i zoom in like twice zoom, it's cool technology, and then these white shirts from you know from our cool. see if i can get it out. they are shooting shirts out of that thing in a few seconds. >> can we show it for craig melvin. >> there is very fancy. >> let's show it. >> i'm sure our influence companies love this. >>. >> here we go. it's warming up, craig. meanwhile. there we go. michael jackson in the
background and all of this going on. it will be the longest period of total darkness. >> and carbondale is the only city in the country that in 2024, when this happens again on a smaller scale, they will experience totality then as well. >> exactly. that is why they are calling themselves solar eclipse crossroads of america, and they're telling me this is their dress rehearsal for 2024. >> oh, okay. >> thank you so much. carr b carbondale, illinois. the ellipse is set to happen toon. they have the distinction of being the city inside the path of totality. inside the path of totality where it is going to be the longest, they will enjoy a little bit longer than they did
in madras. this is where we started our coverage. one of the first cities in america to experience totality. and we're seeing a good chunk of the sun covered by the moon. >> and look how beautiful. we all talk about totality, that's the most exciting moment. i think hasht partial is pretty as well. if you're in new york city, this is what you're seeing. chicago if we can keep the clouds away from the lakeside away for you long enough, and even places in florida. we have some clouds in central florida that i was watching earlier today, but if you can breakthrough the clouds this partial is what you will get. >> what is that quite bit in the sun this, what do we know about that. >> there are many spots, hot spots and flairs, you heard of solar flairs, there is always
activity on the sun. one of the things we don't understand why is at certain times there is more activity than other times. this is a quiet time for the sun, you're getting a pretty good look at something that is not as active as crazy as is it k be sometimes. >> it is now 2:00 in the east. 1:00 p.m. in lincoln, nebraska. >> many of us have been left at this desk and in the field, literally speechless. the darkness, it first arrived in oregon. it has since made it's way across wyoming, now arriving in nebraska, but folks, we're just halfway there. millions of people still anxi s anxiously awaiting it's arrival including president trump that will be watching with the first lady from the truman