tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC August 30, 2017 12:00am-1:00am PDT
tonight. thank you for being with us. i'm going to see you back here at 11:00 a.m. and 3:00 p.m. eastern time and then back here again tomorrow night. good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. tonight -- >> we won't say congratulations. we don't want to do that. we don't want to congratulate. we'll congratulate each other when it is all finished. >> the president visits texas in the middle of the most extreme rain event in u.s. history. >> thank you, everybody. what a crowd. what a turnout. >> my guest, new jersey governor chris christie. >> we have a friendship for 15 years. then the latest news on the russia investigation with the ranking member of the house intelligence committee. and a new case for the president's impeachment. >> the answer to the question, should there be an impeachment
inquiry was, duh! >> all in starts right now. with more than 51 inches falling in some areas as catastrophic flooding has left hundreds of thousands without power and forced tens of thousands to flee their homes. and the rain is not stopping. in houston, the nation's fourth largest city, reservoirs are flooding. flash flood warnings remain in effect with officials now moving to open new mega shelters to accommodate the storm's victims. victims who continue to flock to the city's now overflowing convention center where thousands have sought refuge. they are working to rescue people and pets stranded by the storm. the coast guard saying it has rescued more than 3,000. and the job isn't getting easier. bands of heavy rain are expected
to that you are sis in parts of texas and louisiana into labor day weekend. nbc news has confirmed five deaths related to the hurricane. that number is expected to rise as the waters recede. the houston police chief saying, i'm really worried about how many bodies we're going on find. among those killed, officer steve perez. >> his father-in-law, a korean war veteran from the army, told him not to go. the conditions were so bad. and his response was, we've got work to do. >> president trump and first lady melania trump traveled to texas for an update on the storm, stopping first in corpus christi for a meeting with state officials. >> this was of epic proportion. nobody has ever seen anything like this. and i want to say, working the governor and his entire team has been an honor for us. so thank you very much.
and we won't say congratulations. we don't want to do that. we'll congratulated each other when it is all finished. >> the president then appeared this front of cheering supporters. he waved a texas flag making no mention of the victims of the hurricane. >> we are here to take care. it is going well. we're going to get you back and operating immediately. what a crowd, what a turnout. >> the president toured the operations center in austin where he received an uprate on the damage. >> probably there's never been anything so extensive, anything so historic in terms of damage. in terms of ferocity as what we witnessed with harvey. it sounds like such an innocent name but it's not innocent. >> had a person who investigated the hurricane joins me again by
phone. i'm seeing reports that the sun is out for the first time. is that right? >> reporter: it is. it is very sunny. i'm very thankful for a brief respite in the rain. >> where do things stand? it seems like today the capacity of shelters and things like that were getting to more of a strained point. >> yes. absolutely. we've been periodically visiting the red cross shelter zpounlt the convention center. a few thousand people yesterday. it looks like it is more than that and they're having to open the toyota center, which is right next door to accommodate evacua evacuates. >> what had does the city need? i think there will be a bit more rain that hits houston. what do the next 24 hours look like?
>> i think a lot of people are watching the reservoirs on the west side of the houston area. even though the sun is shining, hopefully we'll get a respite. they're continuing to rise. and areas around the reservoirs are flooding. the army corps is having to send people in to help. on top of that, as it continues to rain, that makes it even worse. i think the city is trying to make sure that people don't be deceived by this. don't spent a lot of time driving. it will rain again. >> about 30% of the metro area is currently under water. you have these brutal choices about flooding parts of the city. where there are homes to save from more catastrophic damage.
is that the calculation? >> it is, yes. when they built these, there was no development around them. now there is so they have to make that calculation as well. them. >> right. they're going to be flooding areas where people have their lives and lively hoods and homes and possessions. >> absolutely. thanks again for your insight. stay safe. >> thanks for having me. >> live from there tonight, congresswoman, how are you and how are things in downtown houston? >> well, chris, thank you so very much. let me offer my deepest sympathy to those who lost their life,
family. whose vehicle, van went over because of the flooding and lost members of their family. my deepest sympathy to them. and today we lost sergeant perez. a houston police officer on his way to work. and we've seen other deaths but we are resilient. we pray for those families, for those who evacuated to our centers, our shelters, and we're just showing the toughness of houston. i think it is important to know, which is unusual, we don't repeat it often. but we are 50 feet below sea level. all the patch work we tried, and i don't say that out of criticism at this moment bust reservoirs. the dam structure, is to be safe as much as we can. people love living around water. we have lakes and bayous. it is something we've never
seen. we're about to get 50 inches of water. we will hit water between tonight and tomorrow. i love the sun coming out. we're still trying to rescue people off tidwell and beltway eight. i'm trying to make sure our first responders, our coast guard and texas national guard get out to those areas. we are standing strong. we don't want to open them unless we have everything we need, food, cots, medical care. if we get through thursday, we can begin long journey of recovery and that's where the president ske congress comes in. we need not one divide. not one moment of sunlight between our focus on get the dollars here so that people can
go on with their life. >> do you have a sense of what kind of scope the people are looking at in terms of the level of destruction? >> we know about a vast number of people and struck trurs underwater. it might be a large assessment of what has happened to those businesses, for example. that's the property aspect. we know city hall is underwater and having to be repaired. and we know the housing stock, from low income to high income housing have been impacted. so we're in the business, the city is 2.3 million. sandy was a request of $70 billion. that swath of damage there.
of course we pray for them. we think that from victoria and rock port that was destroyed. beaumont hit last night. and all of us, that it will be in the billions and billions. we need those funds quickly but we also need fema on the ground for people who want their homes restored. people are resilient. texas love their land, love where we are and want to stand up to the forces of nature as best we can, recognizing the challenge that's we have. we want to be good custodians of what we have west want to belief in the environment and then be back on our land. >> i'm joined with someone who has a lot of experience with this. what did you learn if sandy that you were thinking about or want to communicate as you watch this develop?
>> a few things, there are stages to this. right now you're still in the rescue stage and trying to get female safety. what you have to do long before that, where do you put all these folks? i saw her talking about supplies. if they don't have enough already, they're in trouble. trying on get them in under these circumstances are extraordinarily difficult. so the first part is you have to be prepared for this and overprepare. the next phase now is interaction with the government. that's not easy. and fema is fema. and it is a tough agency to work. they do their best. but it's hard. >> just going through a flood insurance claims program. it can be a nightmare. >> it is a nightmare. it is one of the worst run programs in america, the national flood insurance pral. it committed fraud against the
people of new jersey. then the third part is remember, what your people are expecting is, how do you return me to some sense of normalcy? it was four things on get done. first get power back on, second, get your roads repaired. generators. and get kids back this school. if you do that, you get to more of a sense of normalcy. >> the scope is beyond historic. this is record for the continental u.s. we've never seen this much rainfall. we're dealing with a crazy scope. i want to play for you something that ted cruz said people are now asking ted cruz about that. two-thirds of that bill had nothing to do with sandy. what i said then and still believe now, it is not right for
politicians to exploit a disaster and people are hurting to pay for their own political wish list. >> what was wrong was for ted cruz to exploit the disaster for political gainful that's what he was doing. >> the fact is, that is an absolute falsehood that two-thirds of the $50 billion did not go to sandy aid. it was untrue when it was said then. and let's remember what senator cruz was trying to do at the time. he was trying to be the most conservative, the most fiscally conservative person in the world. what i said at the time was, someday it will come to texas. it just does. if you have a coastal area, a disaster will come to you. when it does, i'm going to promise him that new jersey congress people will stand up and do the right thing. and peter king saying he'll
vote for it. with katrina, he got on the floor of congress. he said it breaks my heart. we need offsets. do you expect the vice president to tow that line this fall? >> i hope he doesn't. >> it would be wrong for him to do that. the fact is, this is what the federal government is there for. put everything else aside. all kinds of philosophical arguments. if you're not there for this, what the hell are you doing? >> there are 60 million people under water in bangladesh and india. one thing we know about climate models. we don't know about hurricanes. we know there's more flooding. sea level rise, huge water events. a week before this storm the president revoked an obama director that required agencies to factor flooding into their climate change.
>> i think what we've done in new jersey is to say, we have to react to new realities. >> that may be true in new jersey. but this is about the federal government and this president. >> i think this gets really politicized and people want to argue about what is causing this. what we know in new jersey now is, our homes, if you're going to be along the coast, the homes have to be higher. we have to raise our homes. >> all that's true. i'm asking you, is that a mistake? it says, you should look into this. tu climate models. this isn't a crazy voodoo we're casting here. >> i think what we've seen over the course of the last number of years was sandy and katrina and now harvey. tells us it has to be taken into account. >> so it was a mistake. >> well, sure. why mistakes are made like this. they get overly politicized by both sides. it doesn't mean it's not a mistake but my point is we have
to stop arguing about cause and look at effect will. >> that's a perfect example of the psychology. that directive didn't go down to say, you dumb conservatives. it was a directive that came down. we'll have more flooding. we should do this. the revocation of it strikes me as the kind of thing. i'll stick it to the liberals. >> my point is that's the political climate created by both sides. >> it's not passive. you're the first person who ever accused me of being passive. i should come on this show more. >> i want to talk -- there's a lot more to talk about. right after this break. still with me, governor chris christie.
down. the president he pardoned sheriff joe arpaio. a lot of people were very critical of that. particularly those who worked in the rule of law who know how hard it is to get a criminal conviction of contempt. did the president make the right call? >> i talked to the president about this. i said if you feel really strongly about it personally, it is your call. >> in the end, listen. i think that the pardon power should be used very, very sparingly. a lot of people have changed their lives. i think a key part is, has the person changed their life and have they changed what caused them to do it? he has to make those calls. he has to be the executive. he got voted out by 13 points.
the latino that's live there. sheriff joe was demanding papers of people which was unconstitutional according the two judges. for the president to pardon him. what message does that send? >> it's a message the president has sent through his whole campaign. you know i disagreed the building of the wall, with the muslim ban. i think tows things are very, very harmful to the spirit of country. that's one reason i ran against him. >> but then what's on the other side of the ledger? >> what's the question? these things are harmful to the spirit of america.
he believes it is effective. i've said you can be an effective enforcer of immigration laws acting within the constitution. that's what we should be doing. building the wall, mexans are rapists. you have comments about charlottesville. at a certain point, it adds up to someone whose world view really does seem to be shot through with bigotry. >> i don't agree with that. i've known him for 15 years. do you understand why that testimony doesn't stand? well, i'm a u.s. citizen.
i see what he says. and he says after neo-nazises chanted blood and soil, there are decent people there. the charge of bigotry is one of the most base charges you can make. and i don't think you have nearly enough information to make charge. i don't think you do. i think i do for knowing him 15 years and i don't think there's a bigoted bone in his body. you disagree philosophically. >> the guy just went out and said, a person who was -- after he said mexico is sending rapists. at a certain the point i don't care what is in his body or what his bones are, is there some way you can make derrellation without knowing him final years? >> he disagrees the premise of your question.
he does not believe arpaio's wrakss unconstitutional. he disagrees the court's finding. so you can't say therefore that makes it bigotry. he doesn't believe it is unconstitutional. >> you're saying that i know guy for 15 years. you do know him better than i do. i believe you when you say i don't think he's bigoted. but there is a whole big country of people who do not know the president of the united states. what they see is how he says things and the actions that he takes. that's why i said the yomts a mistake. the rhetoric was a mistake. not only because they're divisive but also because i don't think he's giving an accurate important trail of who i know him to be. and he's placed himself in a position, whether you know him
well or not over snowe he's the president. >> i want to ask you another thing. the president says a lot of untrue things all the time. i'm not going to say i know what is in his mind. yesterday he said finland is buying f-18s. they're not. that's a perfect example. it is tiring. fatiguing. it is bizarre to have a president who utters untrue things this much. >> i don't want you to be tired or fatigued. >> how do you deal with it? >> people often say things turn out not to be true. i remember president obama saying, if you like your doctor,
you can keep it. >> that's the -- that's the go-to. >> it doesn't make it any less untrue. it turned out to be demonstrably untrue. >> barack obama did not say things, for example, the 3 million people who illegally voted. i'm not saying he was always truthful. of course he was not. he said untrue things. it is different. it really is. >> i know you feel like it's different. >> this is what i feel. i feel like the intensity of the coverage of this president for now seven months or so, a little over seven months, it has been exhausting. it feels like it's been seven years. not seven months. >> he is driving a lot of that attention.
>> of course. some of that is not just because of him. it is also because of the intensity of the coverage of everything that goes on. which i haven't seen with previous presidents. i'm not saying it is even a bias. i think it was the same thing with george w. bush. and oftentimes with barack obama. this is even more intense than either of those. >> i feel like there is a fundamental level. let me ask you this. you're the chair of the opioid commission. 60,000 people have died. let's say, we could be under had martial law. >> it is a 9/11 every three years. your number one top line is to declare a state of emergency. president trump said he won't do it at first. >> he didn't say it. >> you're in -- you were on a
commission. >> i was on vacation. >> still weird. then will he gets asked about the emergency declaration. and he gets up and says, we're drawing papers up. >> it should be done. why doesn't he do it? >> it is being done. there's a lot of debate in the administration about which way to do it. we presented him with two different options. i've been an executive now for nearly eight years and there are times when the people who work for me frustrate me. i think it is time, the president is not a lawyer. i think it is time for the president and the white house staff to get on this. for the president to demand that they get papers in front so they can sign. >> it's an emergency. >> when a 9/11 is happening every three weeks, in our
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i could name them here but i won't. the biggest and almost all of them, they've all used the chapter laws, the bankruptcy laws to their own benefit. before this, i was a very successful person as a developer and as a businessman. >> by the third republican primary debate, then candidate trump was the front-runner. he was not quite ready to leave his business behind. he signed a letter of intent with the russian developer to license his name for a new develop nypd moscow according to his personal attorney and it is the latest shocking revelation following the news first reported by the "washington
post" that the trump organization was seeking a deal actively in the russian capital while the chief executive was running for president of the united states and leading the field. cohn said he discussed it with trump on three separate occasions. it is financed by a russian bank subject to u.s. sanctions. six days after president trump spinld letter of intent, another business associate, a russian born ex-con, e-mailed cohn saying i will get putin on this program and we will get donald elected. the project stalled and it represents another effort by the president's allies to cooperate with the russian government or its agents. we now know of three such efforts including donald trump's lawyer who has government supplied dirt on hillary clinton. the president's son who has yet to be interviewed by the judiciary committee. then the reported attempts by a republican activist and donor
who claimed ties to the campaign to obtain clinton's e-mails. on what all of this means to the russian investigation, right after this break. and our adult children, they're here too. so we save by using tide. which means we use less. now we get three generations of clothes clean in one wash. has anyone seen my pants? i found 'em ellen! put those on, dad! nothing cleans better. number 1 trusted, number 1 awarded. it's got to be tide.
to the best of my knowledge, no person that i deal with. >> i am not involved in russia. no loans no, nothing. >> congressman adam schiff, let me start with this. given what we've learned and what you have access to, is the president telling the truth when he says that? >> well, i can only comment on what he said publicly. clearly, and publicly, he was not being truthful about that. i think the significance, there are several layers of significance. the first is that he had a potential interest with russia during the course of the presidential campaign. that may have caused him to have a pro russia policy. the second one is the one you mention. the president was being less than truthful about pursuing business with russia during the campaign. we have seen with it the president and others, being less than truthful when it comes to
russian ties. probably most significant is the president and his son, disembling. they claimed it was about adoptions when wasn't. and finally, i would say that it is also significant that michael cohn should issue a statement about this today. to make it about the storm. that they can frame what it means or hide what it means during the storm. we early on and part of the public record had requested information from mr. cohn. when that wasn't sufficiently forthcoming, we had to subpoena the information and mr. cohn is choosing this time to make a public statement about how he would like that information to be seen. >> are you convinced that the subject of the back and forthwith the president, a russian born, what they were
wanting to do, to build in russia. that was the object they were engaged in. >> if these reports are accurate, and i can't comment on any materials we may or may not of. a major financial undertaking that would dmif economic wealth to make it worthwhile. that was ample reason for the president to document a very pro russian policy. particularly at that stage of the campaign when the president doesn't know whether he'll win he may derive benefit from whatever it does by run go for president. but also if he were to lose the election. least he didn't have the benefit of saying nice things about russia and having a pro russia
policy might help him do business in the future. >> i want to ask but the timing and what you make of it. the three bits of conversation, the e-mails about the letter of intent and the pursuit of it. and saying the government agent with dirt on hillary clinton. all of that happened before the dnc hacks are made public. what do you make of that timing? >> i think it is significant, particularly in this meeting. it was very much consistent in the sense the russians use oligarchs and the deniability. would it make sense for to us deliver negative information with hillary clinton?
how should we do it? how much deniability do we need? what's the best timing? and they got that information from the meeting. yes, the trump campaign would love it. late summer is the best timing. that's when the e-mails begin to be dumped. so it is very consistent with trade craft. the business deal. the potential dangling of a business deal over this trump tower is also consistent with what the russians do. in terms of legitimate transactions and not ledge it mass transactions. >> first, perhaps it is unrelated, joe arpaio, a person he asked if they could drop the case. how do you think that will resonate with people had are currently under investigation in
the russia matter? >> well, first, if the president was soliciteding go it is consistent with jm's testimony and what he tried to do with michael flynn. this sends a message very like i to other people. if you have my back, you stick with me. that's very threatening. to the whole checks and balances. if the president of the united states says you can ignore the constitution if you're on my side. even if you're racially profiling. that tears apart our on system.
they were suggesting this power is more or less absolute. it's not absolute. it is not absolute. it would negate other parts of the constitution. hey, law enforcement, you can ignore parts of the constitution and if you do, i'll pardon you. >> signs you may have a crowd complex in thing one, thing two, next.
>> we're going to get you back. what a crowd. what a turn out. >> this president's obsession with crowd size no secret. >> i set a record. i had crowds like, well, massive crowds. >> massive crowds. >> did you see that crowd? >> the line was like 30 blocks long. >> the crowds are amazing. >> as we've wlernld this president and this administration, you cannot take them at their word. certainly not about crowd sizes. take a look at cpac. >> you folks here, the place is packed. there are lines that go back six blocks. and i tell you that because you won't read about it. there are lines that go back six blocks. >> the lines did not exist, as journalists tweeted at the time. and as for the packed arena, also debatable. and photos like the from his crowd in phoenix really bothered
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at tempurpedic.com wow, what a crowd! what a crowd! and just so you know, from the secret service, there aren't too many people outside protesting. okay? that i can tell you. >> president trump's first order of business at his phoenix rally to say there were lots of supporters and not many protesters. wasn't true, of course. there were thousands of people protesting. we're also learning trump wasn't satisfied with those inside either. trump was in a bad mood backstage after seeing reporter photos like this from the back of the arena and while more people filled in by the time he spoke, trump was displeased. tv optics and crowd sizes are extremely important to the
law fair blog which has become a must read. he made a name for himself defending the war or terror and its policies against its many critics. but this may he went from covering the story to being the story after donald trump fired james comey in may were he revealed that comey had been trying to keep distance from the president during the query in the 2016 election. writing that comey told him of at least two incidents which comey regarded as efforts on the part of the president to compromise him or implicate him. and that's not the only story wit tis is famous for. he's tweet out tick tick tick in the break of a russia investigation story. and his blog is read by everyone today for its analysis of the current administration. now he's gone further than ever before calling on congress to seriously consider impeaching the president. he says it's time for congress
to start seriously talk about an impeachment inquiry and he told me the impetus of the article has been building for months. >> it really was a reflection of a larger sense of serious questions about the president's fitness for office. and the urgency of the question presented itself somewhat in light of charlottesville. but i really think you could have written the same piece a week ago, a month ago, three months ago. you know, this is the consistent pattern of president trump's behavior really since january 20th has involved conduct that is simply inconsistent with the office of the president. and that's across quite a range of activities. and so i don't think there was
any right moment in time to say, okay, now we've crossed the rubicon, any moment was going to be arbitrary. >> you use a fitness. and i've heard a lot of people talking about fitness and he is unfit. that judgment. and i've heard it from republicans, heard it from democrats, heard it from people across the ideological spectrum. the question becomes is impeachment the appropriate remedy for that state of affairs? >> well, it's the only remedy. i mean, yes, there is the 25th amendment. but the 25th amendment is about disability. and the fundamental question is whether this man is capable of performing the office of president in a fashion that doesn't threaten our democratic culture. and you know, there's only two mechanisms that we have to evaluate that question. by far the preferred mechanism is the electoral process. and we should always be extremely careful about presuming, as a legislative or
nonelectoral matter to overturn the results of a legitimate democratic election. that said, the impeachment process is there for a reason. and it's there to consider acts by somebody in office that are, you know, frankly inconsistent with the behavior that we rightly expect from people holding that office. and so i want to turn the question around and ask you, do you think the president's behavior sense taking office is consistent with our reasonable expectations for the office, and do you think if not that the deviations from those expectations are genuinely threatening to democratic governance in the united states. and if the answer so that
question is that you don't think the president's conduct is consistent with our reasonable expectations of the presidential office and that it does threaten democratic governance, what other remedies do you have other than impeachment? and so my, i think, modest proposition with jane in this piece was that a reasonable member of congress simply has to be thinking about the presidential behavior in light of the impeachment clauses of the constitution. that's not to say that you must impeach and remove him. but if you're not thinking about his conduct with reference to the impeachment power, you're not doing your job. >> are you setting a precedent here if you go down the path of impeachment as the remedy that creates some further unwinding of what is already a set of very fragile democratic institutions or seemingly fragile democratic institutions in the country? >> so, of course you are. anytime you invoke a process as
rarely invoked as impeachment, you're setting potential precedence and the question is are you comfortable with the precedence that you're setting. let me lay my cards on the table. i am very comfortable with the proposition that any future president who engagings with his law enforcement apparatus the way this president has engaged with his should do so knowing that he may be subject to impeachment as a result. i'm extremely comfortable with the proposition that any president who engages in the grotesque moral misbehavior that this president has engaged in with respect to lying about people, making up crimes by his predecessor, slandering the intelligence community that works for him would do so with some sense that congress might think about that conduct in light of the impeachment power.
i'm really comfortable with that. i'm really comfortable with the idea that a future president who not only fails to do the basic components of his job, like filling the government with people, you know, in executive branch positions but behaves in a way that, you know, dozens and dozens and dozens of times his senior staff and cabinet officers talk about him to the press as though he were a toddler. might raise a question in the minds of a reasonable member of congress about whether he should appropriately be in the office that he was elected to. so yes, it sends a precedent -- sets a precedent popotentially. i'm not uncomfortable with the potential precedence that it might set. this situation is generally extraordinary and i hope it would set a precedent that says we will not tolerate this situation. >> final question, does your friend james comey agree with
you? >> if i knew the answer to that question i wouldn't answer it. >> all right. thanks for making time. >> my pleasure. >> that is all in for this evening. tonight, donald trump visits flood ravaged texas and while i described harvey ago having epic proportions the president fails to mention the victims of the storm, more does he see any damage close-up. plus new reports of subpoenas in russia investigation. special counsel robert mueller reportedly serves a spokesman for paul manafort. irchlts and troubling new numbers for the president from members of his own. the 11th hour rgs begins now. good evening once again from