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mr. president what is your decision on baca. mr. president? a decision on daca? >> sometime today or over the weekend we'll have a decision. >> should d.r.e.a.m.ers be worried? >> we love the d.r.e.a.m.ers. we love everybody. thank you very much. >> this has been yet another busy news week. with harvey devastating the city of houston, and multiple developments in the trump-russia scandal but for the next hour i want to talk to you about the 800,000 americans who may soon be at risk of deportation. the d.r.e.a.m.ers. undocumented migrants who came to this country as children under the age of 16.
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for many of whom america is the only country they know. this tuesday donald trump is expected to announce whether he will end the obama era program allowing the d.r.e.a.m.ers to remain in the u.s., known as daca for short. while candidate trump referred to daca as illegal amnesty on the campaign trail, once in the white house, he promised to handle the issue with, quote, heart. well now his hand is being forced by first ten and now nine republican attorneys general and one republican governor. for threatening to sue the administration is no action is taken to end daca by tuesday. and despite widespread popular support, 64% approve of daca in the latest nbc news survey monkey poll, as well as calls from his own party and the business community to keep the program, donald trump may be on the verge of making one of the cruellest decisions of his administration. and joining me now is journalist and founder of define american,
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jose vargas and maria hosa, host of the latino usa and chris prudham. thank you for being here. jo jose, i want to start with you. it started with a text that you sent me where we were texting back and forth which even though i knew that donald trump was thinking about ending daca was sort of shocking to my system because the idea of doing it so suddenly when he is 800,000 young people gave their information to the government and they know where to find them, when you first -- when it first dawned on you this could happen, what were your thoughts as somebody who is undocumented yourself? >> and one of my thoughts was thinking to myself, these 800,000 people are intergrated in all of our communities across the country. they are in medical schools, some of them are police officers. did you hear about the story of someone in houston that is a daca person that helped with the relief effort in houston right
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now. >> yeah. >> so i thought of all of those stories of all of those people and the fact that the stories, the real personal stories are gotting lost in the politics of this. and it is important to remember this. the government said to them, come, give us your phone numbers and give us your address and give -- give us -- pay us, i don't know if people know this. daca recipients have to pay $500 to the government so the government doesn't deport them for two years. they have to pay that again when they renew it. 800,000 young people in this country collectively paid, what, $400 million so the government doesn't deport them. >> and that is in addition to the taxes that they pay. >> to the taxes they pay. >> like social security. >> and i want to put up just for our audience how you qualify for daca. and donald trump said he on the wanl to want to deport people that are criminals. you have to come to the u.s.
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before before your 16th birthday and be under the age of and reside in the u.s. since june 15th, 2007 and in school and have a diploma or a ged or be a veteran and some are serving in the military. note that. you have to have no felonies or significant misdemeanor convictions and not a threat to national security or public safety. so if you look at just who these folks are, maria, median age is 25-year-olds and the age was 6-year-olds and 91.4% are employed and 56 were not employ yd before dack dwrk daca. >> so they are american kids, jose romero. he is like what i do. i'm an american citizen. i'm upset about this and can't believe i'm getting emotional but it is because in fact these kids represent the best, right.
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they represent the total best. and i think for them, we have to realize it is like, they are dealing with being flood victims. like right now. but it is a flood that is decided by a couple of men, let's say general kelly, jefferson bow reguard sessions and donald trump. and they are going to be suffering and the words that everybody is using regarding harvey and houston and louisiana is resilience and love and compassion. it is like, and you are going to make a decision that is going to shock these kids' lives and change everything for them because of politics. because frankly donald trump did say this, this was a campaign promise and you know what, there are a lot of people saying can you just deliver on one thing. and this may be it. >> and let's listen to him doing that. this is from my producers on "meet the press."
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this was back on august 16th, 2015 and chuck asked him, spacivicly about the executive order that he wants to rescind which was the dream act and talking about daca. let's take a listen. >> the executive order gets rescinded. one good thing -- >> you will rescind that one too? >> one good thing -- you have to. we have to make a whole new set of standards -- >> so you are going to split up families. >> we have to keep them together. >> but out -- >> but they have to go. >> what if they have no place to go. >> we will work with them. they have to good. >> and keeping the families together is you have to deport the american born relatives because if you are deporting the undocumented migrant if you keep the family together you have to deport the american citizen family members. >> and you know what i'm so upset that i got upset because now i could see everybody is like -- oh, they get to so upset they are crying. i'm upset that i got upset.
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but the point is that for a young people like lucio romero, there are real mental health consequences they are dealing with. like what did i do wrong. i followed everything and they are living in this limbo. and i want to say to them, joy, actually, is they've got you, the doca recipients, you have to find a way to, one, not give up. you have to find a way to totally know that you are going to make it because you've already been raised with the most extraordinary challenges in your life. so you are going to feel sad an mourning and traumatize and you have to find ways to take care of yourself. and i run that is what i do. and you have to realize, if this country doesn't want you, there are many who do. and so do not -- this is not a loss. and i know jose, this is horrible, because i just -- i don't want our daca young people to be living in fear. because they are going to make
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it. you have made it here, you have -- you will make it. and that is the kind of spirit that truly is an american spirit. right. it is truly an american spirit. [ inaudible ] said we are going to do it and you will take that with you no matter where you end up. and don't give up. because they have all of the employees and neighbors. what will happen now, is that daca, like white supremacists, is out there and everybody is talking about it. so thank you, donald trump, for making daca the thing now that efb is talking about. come out of the closet, and maybe they will, i'm not saying do. >> that but that could be one of the moments. >> i'm glad you brought that up. because the question now, i've been rereading a letter from birmingham jail which gets me very -- martin luther king saying history will be recorded and this period of social transition the greatest tragedy is not the -- at bad people but the appalling silence of the good people. >> right. >> and that means all of the
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teachers, the mentors and employers and the co-worker that know that we're here because they've mentored us, are they speaking out? are they getting uncomfortable? what are they willing to risk? >> i think toz are the questions -- >> where are the rallies right now. >> i want to bring christopher drum into this. you've had more than 1800 people sign a letter supporting the d.r.e.a.m.ers and employers and silicon valley and business leaders and political leaders and one of the original ten attorneys general, the tennessee attorney general change their mind and say, he doesn't want to be a part of this group any more. what do you say to these 800,000 young people, chris, how do you respond to what you've heard from jose and maria this morning? >> well, first i'll say this. i think a legal path through -- a path through legal status is not the same path to citizenship. we have to be very cognizant and
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let be for a minute and get a word out and let's just say this. we are all compassionate about children and compassionate about a people in general. we are a nation of laws an want to be cognizant and cautious about how we bring people into our country. america is the best country in the world. it is a wonderful nation and we want to be cognizant of how we do that. no one wants to break families apart. the the president himself has said he doesn't want to hurt families. he want tos -- he wants to do something and that is why he taking this weekend to make the decision. he doesn't want to rush into a decision. he wachblts to take his time and come up to with a -- with a comfortable solution and we to look at this and say how could we work together to have an effort that makes more plause able sense for everyone. >> i'm not sure that a weekend is a long time. but you're saying that the president wants to have a compassionate solution but what
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he has said in point of fact on the campaign trail is his solution is deport people. and that people need to go. he said, quote, they need to go. they have to go. so i'm not sure how you square that with the idea of compassion if his solution is to remove people from the united states. >> well of course we're not going to remove millions of people. that is -- >> but if you end daca, then all 800,000 people are subject to deportation immediately. >> so i think what the president -- and again i -- he can obviously speak for himself on tuesday. but what i think the president is saying is let's come with a better -- the buck has to stop somewhere. we have to draw the line in the sand at some point. up until now we won't let hard working people that are 35 and 32 years old and just say, hey you have to go and that is it. but i do believe that the line has to start somewhere. we have to draw the line and say what the requirements and change the laws and at the same time. >> but everything about gacka is
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abo -- daca is about requirements. the government has all of the information about the young people. all of these daca, the government knows everything about them. so when you are saying we need to be understanding and clear about who is here. these are all young people and who have not committed any crimes who are in school and are in the army. so i'm not sure how much more documentations. do you want to take their blood. >> and also look, biometric samples. >> they have to -- >> wait a minute. let me ask you this question and i want to put back up and i don't know if you could see it on your screen. back up the documents for daca because there needs to be a system. but there is already a system. a requirement in terms of what years you have to be born, when you have to come into the country. you have to have a ged or a high school diploma or be a veteran. and they go through and they look at look at your criminal background. you cannot have felonies or significant misdemeanor convictions. they do a full background check to make sure that you are not a threat to the country. so all of that is already doing
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done. what -- you want bio mettics and blood drawn? >> so here is also a very strong point. we need to encourage citizenship in america. but isn't that what daca is doing. >> by no means. it is not encouraging citizenship and i choose my words careful and when you look at the welfare system as an example and i'm comparing the two, the welfare system, we encourage certain as pecks of the system to stay on the program without any type of concrete assurance moving forward. >> wait, i'm sorry. you -- you brought up the welfare system. as a -- what is the -- that is not related to daca. and i already went through and i said that 91.5% of these young people are employed and those who are not are students or children and one of things that
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changed is once daca happened is they became employed. >> and that is phenomenal. but at the same time one in four americans are not employed so become citizens of america. >> so look, i have to say by the way, chris -- >> because why do we have to worry about them being renewed. >> and you would like to see congress pass what ronald reagan did was he granted blanket amnesty for people in the country undocumented and you think we should do citizenship. i think a lot of people would agree with you. >> and i think again that -- >> do you agree with that? due want to -- do you want to see blanket citiship for daca recipients. >> if they meet the requirements and if it makes sense. we want them to be citizens. that is just a reality. >> i have to say, i'm an american and i'm waiting for my own country to recognize it. i have to say too, that in this country, as i'm sure chris and
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joy and maria knows, in this country laws don't always equal justice. and i think to the young people watching, especially if you have daca, you are -- you know that your life is more than pieces of paper and more than laws that people don't even understand, even the president. i think it is really important that we remind ourselves, the president has still not made up his mind. we don't know what he will say. and maria, i'm so happy that you brought up the point of making sure we remember the resilience of people and if anything what defines america which is a question across the kucountry i our resilience and that is what makes america. and america is not something that landed in your lap and is given to you. and joy, so we're near time square. could you imagine if we went to time square and say would you pay $500 so that the government doesn't deporter now the next two years so you could work? >> and chris, i have to ask you this -- and i do thank you for
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coming on. it is not an easy thing to try to defend. do you think it is ironic that donald trump had promised that he would do a press conference to discuss the process through which his own wife immigrated to this country. that for a while was also questioned. do you find it ironic that being married to an migrant and somebody for whom there have been questions when she started working in the country and whether she was working legally in the country, do you find that ironic. >> i think the president is doing the best he can with the sense that he is allowed. his job is of course dynamic as members of congress is dynamic. his wife certainly is an migrant. but he wants to do what he to help -- he can to help people as much as he can. the reality with daca is this, no one can question -- everybody is empathetic and we all could agree on that. some of the people -- some of the individuals are 32-year-old,
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and 35-year-olds and we are saying let's have a more secure path to citizenship. why even have them have to worry about every two years or even if it is changed every three. that is not enough. why don't we have a more concrete and direct way. >> i'm still not clear -- >> does he support daca. >> i think he supports [ inaudible ] comprehensive immigration reform. we'll be back later in the hour. thank you very much chris for now. and up next, you will meet some american d.r.e.a.m.ers, stay with us. four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls... and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. liberty stands with you™.
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daca was introduced right when i was graduated high school. and in may of this year, i graduated with a bachelors in mathematics and i now work for a bank in the fraud department and i protect and monitor our citizens money from being stolen through financial crimes. i do believe that my work ethic aan asset to this nation and i don't understand how removing daca is beneficial for anyone at all. the term american should not be defined with a document or the lack of one. it is more so the willingness to contribute to the country and help others out whoever possible and that is exactly what i and thousands of others are willing to do. well the future of daca hangs by a thread. d.r.e.a.m.ers have come forward humanizing the conversation with their stories. and joining me now are three recipients, john green, from undoca black and jen park, founder of higher dreams and
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carla perez. thank you for being here. i'm excited to talk to you. one of the things we wanted to do, jim, is to take people out of the mindset that the issue of daca is just about mexican migrants because i think a lot of people have the stereo type that every single daca recipient came from mexico and immigration is just a mexican and american problem. but it is much bigger than that. tell us your story. >> so my parentsa and moved fro south korea when i was 7 and they knew the education system was more fair and just in the u.s. and i think it is important to understand what you said, that immigration is a human issue. it is fundamentally about opportunity, it is about people coming to the u.s. to improve themselves and lives that they have in the country. so i think that is something that donald trump has failed to do. that immigration is a much broader and much more
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complicated issue that he seems to report in his rallies. >> and immigration in general, jonathan, is multi-cultural. it is from -- we get migrants from all over the world and the undocumented are no different. we have have stats an i believe these are from a pugh poll and mexican mights make up a dominate percentage and 92% are latino. and but 3.5% aasian pacific and 1.9% are black. and you came from panama. tell us your story. >> thank you for the invitation. and for us it is superimportant to understand that immigration is a racial justice issue look at that integration of blackness because there is over 565,000 black undocumented folks across the country and some have daca and some of us fall under tps there are also under threat.
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>> and that is temporary status. >> protecting haitians and others. >> and for us it is to be able to understand that yes i'm worried about being undomed but i'm a young black men in the city of baltimore and there are consequences to that. >> could you talk about that. because one of them is policing. how does it complicate interacing with people, when you add blackness and also undom documented status. >> this is a perfect example. so i know that i'm more likely to be picked up for anything. so what does it mean to lose that protection, and i'm more likely to have an interaction with the police. >> and carla, the obviously the other issue is that you have young people who are already paying into the system and not only paying to have the daca status, but also contributing to the economy and the previous stat by the center for american
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progress i i want to give them credit for that. but according to define american, you have 1$11.6 billin in annual and state local taxes contributed by undocumented americans and $12 billion into the social security trust fund which you do not get back and are not eligible for and more likely to start businesses. you have all of this resources that daca recipients are putting in. what does it mean or how does it feel to know that you could never get back any of that money? . you won't get social security, you are not eligible for it. >> certainly. and i'm glad to be here and an example -- i'm here today from houston, texas. and our city has been devastated by hurricane harvey. but i have seen how our community has come together to rebuild this city and that includes many migrants in our community and many daca recipients like myself who right now are putting together their
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love for their community and for their cities before themselves. >> and carla, just to stay with you, i'm glad that you made that point you are from houston. you've had members of the community who are undocumented who are helping with the recovery and trying to contribute in that way. but also can you talk about the fear that people have that there are still check points. so if you are trying to evacuate from houston and you are undocumented, what additional element of fear does that add? >> sadly there have been many reports in part of some efforts that we have been undergoing here to inform our community is participating in phone banks and i've spoken to virds -- individuals who are afraid to ask for help from lawmaker or to seek other resources because they are afraid. and although i've constantly told people they shouldn't put thur lives in danger and that we are all here for each other in this moment, unfortunately that
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does deter some people from seeking this help. >> and you know, jim, we know that according to the migration policy institute, undocumented asian americans are the fastest growing. a growth rate of 202% and they are of the fastest growing group over all but some of the communities are insolated and not necessarily mainstreamed any way. does that add an additional layer of fear for und -- undocumented asians. >> in the asian american community, among the people that have -- among the recipients of deferred action, the community has been one of the smallest groups. so i think going forward, it is important to note that even in 2012, when daca was firstin stated, it didn't just fall out of the sky. all of our communities, we had to unite and unify and fight for it. so going forward, i think it is specially important in the asian american community that we join the fight and ensure that even if the decision comes on tuesday that the administration decides
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to rescind it, that we're going to unite and demonstrate that -- the incredible mobilizing power that we have in our community. >> and that is one of the most important things and i'm glad that the three of you are here and i hope that comes out of it, that the communities, whether it is black or white and asian or latino, realize that we are all together. thank you so much. thank you guys for being here. and be sure to join the conversation using the #american d.r.e.a.m.ers and "am joy" and at define american.com. discover card.
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i'm richard lui. a developing story out of north korea claiming that the country now has a hydrogen bomb that could be loaded on top of a new icbm. north korea leader kim jong-un reportedly watched the bomb being loaded. and this is coming from north
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korea state news agency. president trump and first lady are heading to washington after meeting with rescue workers and victims of harvey. they made two stops in houston and lake charles, louisiana. the president talked to victims and the hurricane affected a estimated 100,000 homes. he is promised aid in areas. a california icon is gone. remnants of oakland's bay bridge built there 1933 demolished this morning. s it gone. and muslim celebrated a festival today. they kill livestock and give the meat to the poor and it commemorates the willingness of abraham to sacrifice his son ish mile to god. and the man who asked us to imagine a better more peaceful world may have inspired the
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program for d.r.e.a.m.ers. in 1972 a immigrant overstayed his tourist visa while helping his wife over her daughter from a previous marriage. complicating the matter, his 1968 conviction in london for possession of cannabis resin. his lawyer managed to get his vita extended but only for a month. and an application for a green card was denied. as npr has noted, according to fbi files, the nixon administration wanted the front man out of the country because of his anti-war activism and influence over his young fans. but lennon's lawyer found evidence of a policy that allows immigration officials to hold off son some deportation cases for humanitarian or political reasons. he eventually got his green card as a none priority case and the secret policy which we now call prosecutorial discretion was now public record. decades later, an migrant son
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and american president by the name of barack obama would use the john lennon precedent to create daca. imagine. and up next, d.r.e.a.m.ers coming to the rescue in texas.
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our first responders have been doing absolutely heroic work to shepherd people out of harm's way and their courage and devotion has saved countless lives. they represent truly the very best of america. >> among the very best of america, helping in houston are daca recipients. the d.r.e.a.m.ers who legal status is in his hands. in harris county alone, 68,000 people are eligible for daca and second only to los angeles nationwide. and several houston area d.r.e.a.m.ers working on the recovery effort delivered a message to trump directly on friday. >> i know president trump said
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that he is coming to the city of houston. during his visit i ask him to spend at least 30 minutes with us, with the daca recipients who have been voentsing and helping here in the city of houston. to come meet us and to -- so that he could understand and remove the stereo type that is here. we are not here to cause any harm. we are here to help. >> joining me now, founder of define american and mary lena of the national immigration law center and julietta, from united we dream action. and julietta, you are coming from a protest, can you tell us what that was about? >> yeah. we did all night protest outside of the governor's mansion office and i'm really exhausted. it was all night. but it was to send a very clear message. when governor abbott passes and signs before a very racist and unconstitutional law, we know
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that we have to -- a temporary halt by judge garcia, we also wanted to make it clear to a.g. paxton who is putting a threat on the program that we wan or our daca when they try to terrorize us, criminalize us and deport us, we are going to take over his space. and we're going to make it clear that migrants are here to stay and that we're here to stay and it to be part of the rebuilding of our beautiful state as harvey has hit us so hard. >> and for those of you viewers who are unwear. what she is talking about, a federal judge blocked the texas ban on sanctuary cities. it was a bill called sb-4. a judge issued a preliminary injunction against the law that aims to ban sanctuary cities and one of the cities that sued the state. and mary lena, texas is one of the states threatening to sue the federal government is daca is not taken away. the list of states.
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texas, south carolina, alabama, tennessee has dropped out, arc and idaho and what do you make of one of the largest daca recipients is part of the threat to sue over daca. >> thank you for the invitation and congratulations for this show with d.r.e.a.m.ers at the front of this line. we're at a defining moment in this country. joy, where we're not operating even under a legal time line. this is a completely manufactured time line that paxton, the attorney general from texas has decided in the most inhumane way to basically threaten the president along with now eight -- not nine, state attorney generals because the tennessee attorney general has pulled out. but attorney general paxton has basically threatened to the trump administration with suing over daca, despite the fact that the program has been many place for five years and a successful
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program and this administration has allowed it to continue for last seven months and daca is completely constitutional as he mentioned earlier, the legal precedent for this has been used by every administration since eisenhower. republican and democratic presidents have used this. and president trump is about to place 800,000 young immigrants like jonathan and jen and carla and julietta in harm's way. and it is completely cruel and inhumane and it will call on all of us, every segment of society, to stand up with migrant youth and say no, they are americans, they are part of us. we are all in this together. >> ab one of the things -- one of the things that you were kind enough to do, is you put together some stories of individual daca recipients under threat if this is rescinded. let's play joel. >> my name is joel. i'm a second year ph.d student at the university of california
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berkeley. i came to the united states when i was 9 years old. dack as been critical to being a law professor. i see defining america as being able to question the very terms by which me and people like me are rendered illegal. i call on immigrant communities both those who fit the narrative and those would don't to come together and chart a new court forward. >> feel like there is a disconnect because they are americans. >> and i met joel a few years ago here in new york. he went to this immigration event and he said, jose, i need people to talk more about undocumented black immigrants and when we have this conversation, it is not a purely a latino issue. thousands of undocumented asian and black and those who qualify for daca are under threat. i think we have to realize the diversity of the population. we were talking about right now for example, according to teach
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for america, brittany was saying that there is 10,000 students in 11 states who would lose their teachers who have daca. if this is implements. and you really have to wonder if the president goes through with this, who is this -- who is he doing this for? who is the base? >> it is a good point. because if you look at the polling, julietta, people overwhelmingly support keeping daca. the nbc poll shows 64%. so two-thirds of americans support it and at the same too in houston you have 575,000 daca recipients embedded in the community and while it is not specifically a latino or latina issue it is the community that feels most threatened by something like i.c.e. the border patrol have put out a entertainment that routine nonlaw enforcement operations will not be convicted at evacuation sites such as shelters or food banks but the laws will not be suspended and that we will vigil of any crimes
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to exploit disruption caused by the storm. that is who law enforcement focuses on when it comes to immigration enforcement. >> it is a really painful past month. talking to the community, a lot of them were saying, we know september 1st is coming. what are we going to do? and it is being kind of like tram at toik just think of september 1st is coming. a lot of the work that we have been doing is not only know your rights but how do you prepare yourself and equip yourself to protect each other and so it has been a tough couple of months. we were happy that judge garcia -- what we have been saying, that that law is racist and unconstitutional. but there is till that fear. especially now with harvey when people are wondering do i go to a shelter or not. >> what should people do? >> well first and foremost, fight back. just as we're seeing. this past week the fact that we still have daca every day that
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means new people are being approved because young imgrants have said we are going to stay and so we are talking to people at the state and local level and anyone who cares about america and the dignity and justice of every single human being stand up with usond tuesday, president trump may or may not announce it, before then, we don't know. stand with us. we at the national immigration law center are ready to sue and we are also calling on congress. >> jose, we'll be back. and thank you very much. thank you both for being here. and still ahead, some final thoughts on donald trump's decision and the 800,000 lives, more than that when you count families hanging in the balance. join the conversation at american dreamers and hashtag "am joy" and share your story at defineamerican.com. >> my name is [ inaudible ] and i work for amazon as an
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. >> i was born into mexico. and when i was two years old my mom decided to move to the u.s. along with me and my older sister. daca has allowed me to continue to continue my education and my family afforded to send me to college. i have continued to my family's income and allowed me to travel outside my hometown without the fear of being deported. i define america as being proud of what america was founded on and works to improve not just themselves but the country as a whole. >> impact of daca on nearly a million dreamers on their families and what's at stake if donald trump decides to end the program. i'm joined again by our guests. jose, we talk about this a lot.
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one of the reasons i relate so much to this story is my parents came here from 1960. one from the african continent and the other from ghana. i have no paperwork. i don't know their process. all i know is i'm american. they came here, and we never questioned it. i find it weird that people -- that's how i define american. i'm here. i was born here. my mother was american because she came at some point and was naturalized somehow. >> for me, what's been stunning is three journalists of color, which is a rarity on cable news, two not born on this country. i have to say that so much of the political media and how they talk about this issue is lacking the kind of humanity and context and diversity that we're seeing here today. i really implore every journalist who is about to write about this defineamerican.com/daca. every fact you need to know
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about what daca is. talk about it. look at some of the facts. 95% of the people on daca are currently in school. 60% got a better paying job. 12 % bought their first home. >> they're paying a mor galk? >> what happens if nay get deported. and this, 54% bought their first car. all those auto maker dealers across this country and people who do car insurance work, can you get involved? don't you want us to buy cars and purchase car insurance? >> and if somebody gets deported, are they still liable to pay on their mortgage? banks with a mortgage note, do they get the money? >> this is not a smart business decision. >> it's not. >> spend it for american progress. it's between 1,000 to 15,000 jobs lost every week because of this. for the daca recipients working, your employers want you. this could be a moment yet again where there's a confrontation
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between donald trump, the businessman and the business people. >> even in houston, there's been a chilling effect on the construction industry which relies on immigrant labor and has to rebuild houston. >> tammy mark zuckerberg has become one of the proponents of daca. he posted something on facebook two days ago. and then started to reply to people on facebook. people saying why don't people get in line. he's mark zuckerberg, probably the defining millennial ceo in the world, talking about it. the entrepreneur and donald trump? does this make any business sense? >> there is a bit of a problem. we don't know what he's going to do. we have no idea. what we do know as immigrants and latinos is this is a president who ran against immigrants, ran against mexican immigrants in particular who just recently defended white
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supremacists, the kkk, nazi supporters who pardoned joe arpaio who was specifically coming after latinos and brown immigrants with accents. so whatever he does. >> aso sadly, whatever he does, president trump has shown his true colors. for the young people here, this is confusing. he's saying i have heart, but within his own words and actions, there's context here that makes all of this, regardless of what he does with trump already deeply problematic. >> aet he ask the question. is there a chance that this conflagration, you have paul ryan saying this is a bad idea. could we get comprehensive immigration reform out of this mess? >> i don't see it, but then again, anything can happen. but no, the republicans can't have it both ways. they've been wants to stop immigration, so here you go. >> the question is president trump how do you define
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american? that is the question. >> yep. that is the question. and i want to thank you all, the entire cast that came here today and my crew for putting this together. greatest team ever. that's our show for today. join us tomorrow for more a.m. joy. in the meantime, keep it right here on msnbc. ♪ if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's, and your symptoms have left you with the same view, it may be time for a different perspective. if other treatments haven't worked well enough, ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn's. entyvio works by focusing right in the gi-tract to help control damaging inflammation and is clinically proven to begin helping many patients achieve both symptom relief as well as remission. infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. entyvio may increase risk of infection,
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it turns out to the world's surprise that donald trump's golf weekends are not all golf and binge watching the queen on netflix to learn how to be presidential. sometimes instead of golf, the president stews. according to tonight's breaking news in the new york times, the long bed minister weekend began late thursday may 4th when mr. trump arrived by helicopter joined by advisers. his

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