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tv   MSNBC Live With Hallie Jackson  MSNBC  September 5, 2017 7:00am-8:00am PDT

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just been upgraded to this monster category 5 hurricane with states of emergency declared already in the caribbean and florida. we have a lot happening on this tuesday. and we've got a lot of folks on the ground for our team coverage right now. i want to start with hans nichols over at the white house. everybody is watching attorney general jeff sessions coming out of the department of justice in 58 minutes from now. this is a big deal. >> all eyes are on attorney general sessions because the president himself does not seem to be that visible, hallie. the president twice on friday teased this announcement and it looks like the actual announcement on what they do for childhood arrivals for these so-called dreamers will come from the justice department. essentially what we think we have is the president deferring action himself. deferring action to congress. this is a president who had fights with congress and picked fights with his own party and, yet, again, looking like he's putting the onus on congress.
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here's what he put on congress. congress, get ready to do your job, daca! we heard from republicans think it is doable. we will have lawsuits and we'll have a big political fight, in part, about the president, potentially, breaking a promise to keep the dreamers alive. hallie. >> he did, he made a couple promises on the campaign trail. end this executive action and he also said he wanted to have dreamers rest easy. so, it is certainly a conflict. hans nichols i'll see you at the white house later this afternoon. first, head to capitol hill. kasie hunt is there. not everybody inside the republican party is. this is something else that they're going to have to deal with over the next six months. >> hallie, this is essentially likely to spark a civil war inside the republican party. there's going to be intense opposition from those conservatives we talked a lot about. the freedom caucus, et cetera,
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risk for primary challenges. i think you'll hear a lot of noise. our colleague kristen welker reporting that some are calling this a bloody september from the perspective of conservatives. now, what i think the way that this is tracking, according to my sources, is that, you know, there is quite a bit of support for continuing essentially the underlying policy that is daca through legislation among republicans who we might have previously called chamber of commerce republicans. people who are listening to the business community. this is an issue that the business community is very focused on. big companies don't want to see this policy reversed. many of them have. people who are here legally under this program and who are working for them. and they don't want to have to suddenly make different plans to fill those holes. so, you potentially do have republicans who would be willing to get on board. this is also something where they're going to have to convince democrats to go along with it. in that way, this is going to be really the first big test or one
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of the first big tests for the president who says, you know, he can cut those deals. he's the expert at the art of the deal. this may be the first situation where you see a very contentious issue dealt with by people on both sides of the aisle. that will play into other conversations about border security, the funding for the wall. they may try to, okay, use this as a way to get funding for that border wall through congress. and this is going -- this dynamic is going to expand to other area. raising the debt ceiling. my sources are saying that, you know, democrats are potentially willing to go along with putting the debt ceiling along with aid for harvey victims. but republicans have been saying, hey, maybe we should do that all the way through october or november of 2018, which, of course, would save them some headaches for the midterm elections. democrats are saying behind the scenes right now, maybe we'll lift the debt ceiling for you, but we won't do it for a whole year. we'll only do it until maybe december to set up a show down
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over government funding that will get them more of what they want. a lot of initial calculations going on, hallie. we'll get the first chance to talk about the wake of charlottesville. a lot of temperature taking as we get back to school, as you say here on capitol hill today. >> and i hope you have your sneakers and your backpack ready. kasie hunt over on the hill. thank you very much. i want to bring in kansas secretary of state. so, thank you very much, secretary kobach for being with us. let me start there. are you still going forward with this lawsuit against the government if, in fact, attorney general session in an hour from now, rescinds daca? >> it depends what the terms of the rescission are. if the program is ended and ended fairly swiftly, then it is up to the nine states to decide
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what to do. >> if it's rescinded with the six-month window. it is likely to be rescind would the six-month window. will you still sue? >> then the question is, what does that six-month window mean? at the end of six months all the daca recipients defer action status is canceled at that point and go back to be an illegal alien. if that's what it means, then i would guess that the debate among the states to be probably, no, we won't bring the suit because it will be effectively gone at six months. at six months then you still have two more years of people getting daca or having daca because basically you're given the defoared action. too many questions to talk about litigation. >> let me ask you this, you made it very clear you were out this morning talking about how this order is unconstitutional. i want to ask about that. you made that sort of crystal clear. so, my question is, how is this
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unconstitutional? but when it comes to the president's immigration enforcement powers, the administration is relying on that. they say the travel ban is constitutional because of that. so, how is this relying on the power of the president's enforcement abilities unconstitutional but the travel ban is not. how do you square that? >> yeah, great question. so, the daca is unconstitutional because an amnesty, which changes the legal status of a lar large number people is a legislative act. of course, when you do something that is legislative and in order to do that, you have to have an act of congress. it's not illegal to have a dream act, to give these people an amnesty, but the president can't do it unilaterally. >> but i guess my question is, why can't he do the travel ban unilaterally? that's what the administration has been arguing for the last eight months. >> correct. the travel ban is authorized by a congressional statute. congress has the overall power of immigration and then
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statutory authority to the president to do things. there is a statute that says the president can withhold admission to any category of people. and he used that statutory authority to do the travel ban. so, he has statutory authority there. the daca actually violates three different federal statutes that say you can't do this. >> if you're relying on congress, this needs to be a legislative fix, why do you oppose the legislative fix? you come out and say you're against congress doing something about it. what is your problem with that? >> as a matter of policy. setting aside the law. i agree congress has the power to do this. i would vote against it because right now you have a huge problem in the labor market for young americans. the average age, the median age of a daca person is about 25 or so. and you've got massive unemployment among american high school graduates who are seeking jobs. 17% unemployment and 31% underemployment and even college
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graduates are underemployed in america. these are u.s. citizens. why in the world would we legalize an additional 1.7 million people to compete against our own u.s. citizens who can't get a job or working part time with a college degree. >> so, i get that your argument is based on the economic part of it. there are estimates that the u.s. gdp can go down $400 billion. these huge numbers. you know it will affect kansas and estimates it will affect $300 million in your state. so, why not keep these people the vast majority of whom have work permits work or go to school. why not keep them in this country to help with the economic as it's so important to you. >> people look at the overall gdp number and here's the total gdp and how it will go up with these people in the country. that is too superficial. you have to look at gdp capita. you can bring in 2 million, 3 million, 5 million illegal aliens tomorrow and it will increase the gdp because you have more bodies in the united
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states. per capita wealth will go down in america. when you look at it per person it does not help our individual situation and you're talking about young americans who won't have those jobs and will see wages depress because the labor force in those markets grows and that drops down wages. wages have been stagnant in america for almost 30 years. >> 780,000 people roughly are here young people under daca right now. >> 886,000. >> what are these people supposed to do? should i.c.e. go after them and round them up? >> what i would suggest they do is that they go back to their home country and get in line with the hundreds of thousands of people from their home country who are trying to do it legally. >> these dreamers are here legally. >> try to follow our laws, too. >> let me ask you this -- >> temporary stats. >> you mentioned 800,000 dreamers roughly in this country.
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one of them is angel ramero. he was brought here illegally when he was 2 years old. i want you to listen to what he has to say. here. >> i basically got the message that my country doesn't want me here. it's trying to get rid of me and that was, that was very confusing. >> if you could talk to somebody like him or to somebody like jes jesus contrares. he's a dreamer. what is your message individually to him? >> a couple of things. one is that he's got an great gift from the american taxpayer. he's got on the best free public education in the western hemisphere. and, you know, he should be grateful because we, the taxpayers, have paid for that. we're saying, look, if you want to be part of the american country, do it legally. go to the home country. your parents brought you here illegally could go with you. >> they're also paying taxes. they're not relying on the american taxpayer, they're relying on themselves, as well. right? >> that's not correct. the vast majority do not pay
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enough in taxes to compensate for the benefits that they are receiving from the government. so, their net takers from the system. so, yeah paying some taxes. we all pay some taxes whether we buy a pack of gum at the store. that doesn't mean we're not carrying our weight in the american economy. >> in adeition to the idea that they pay taxes, they also give a lot of information from the government when they came forward to get on the program. they trusted the government and provided a lot of personal information and concern now about that. what do you think the government is going to do or should do with all that information that these dreamers have provided? >> well, what the department of homeland security has said in any allocation of our resources for deporting people, we're always going to go against those who are committing crimes and those who present gang members first. if you committed a crime which many daca recipients have. so, if you committed a crime or you're a gang member, you better be watching out because you're a high priority for removal. >> you can't be a daca recipi t
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recipient. let's talk about the numbers for a second. >> you can. >> no, you can't. not if you've committed a crime. you lose your status. >> okay. no, there are several, certain high-level crimes cause you to lose your status. lower-level crimes do not allow you to lose your status and if you have been arrested, but not convicted, you can get daca. >> last week you said have you been arrested but not convicted. you are innocent until proven guilty. let me talk about the numbers. 1,500 people have lost their daca status. which according to the u.s. government -- >> they went to trial and were found innocent. they were never prosecuted because counties don't have the resources to -- >> is that anecdotal? >> testimony from i.c.e. agents in federal district court about assault by daca gang members and they were still given the benefits of the program because they weren't prosecuted. >> let me stop you for one second, secretary. this is an important conversation to have and when we look at the facts.
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1,500 daca recipients have lost and out of 780 or 800,000 total recipients of daca. total dreamers. that is 0.2%. we're talking about less than half of 1% of people who lost their daca status because of crime. you have anecdotes of people who have committed crimes. other anecdotes from people like the dreamers we just showed you and the young paramedic in houston, as well. the facts, the vast majority of dreamers are in his country contributing to the economy which is important to you. i ask, how does is this consistent ending daca with the president's promise to take care of dreamers. these dreamers should rest easy. how does that square? >> well, i'm not sure what the president meant when he said rest easy. who knows. the point is -- >> he probably meant they should rest easy. >> let's agree on this. dreamers represent a cross section of the illegal alien population. you do have some criminals and you also have some people who
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are doing very well on our scholars, what have you. those individuals have come into the country illegally and at this point the question is, you no longer have that illegal, that status that president obama gave you and he had no authority to give you. so, you're back into your illegal status. i would suggest go home and get in line, come into the united states legally and then get a green card and then become a citizen. do it the right way like so many hundreds of your countrymen are trying to do. what is wrong with following the law? >> we are out of time. we'll leave it there. follow up in your office because i'm curious about this lawsuit once the attorney general does talk about the terms of this. we'll update later in the day on this. i appreciate it, secretary. also get to breaking news we're following unrelated to politics. states of america in puerto rico and florida as hurricane irma pommels towards the caribbean today. this is the forecast here. sustained winds of 175 miles an hour. landfall expected in puerto rico
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tomorrow and that is where nbc morgan ranford is in san juan. >> hallie, this is what you call the calm before the storm. states of emergency have already been issued not only in florida, but also here in puerto rico. we now know irma was upgraded to a category 5 and a hurricane warning here. that means today is all about preparation. the people we have spoken to on the ground say, look, we're caribbean people. we get it. we're used to heavy rain and heavy wind. but a category 5, that is a completely different beast. that's why the national guard has already been activated. more than 200 fema troops are here on the ground and almost 500 emergency shelters have been set up throughout the island. back in florida people are gearing up with gasoline and food and supplies and because authorities there are saying they can't afford not to pay attention to hurricane irma. that's why all 67 counties in florida are under a state of emergency. some people are determining if they're going to evacuate. meanwhile, this is an event that
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has already been described as catastrophic, as life threatening and that is barreling our way. hallie? >> morgan radford there in san juan keeping a close eye on irma. thank you. waiting now for official word on what the trump administration is going to do on this obama-era program to protect so-called dreamers. the president signaled this morning he is going to let congress make the next move. next up, let's head over to congress. i'm talking to carlos who has filed legislation to protect dreamers from deportation. but we want to know what other members of his party think. he's coming up after the break. i count on my dell small business advisor
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check it out. we're going live outside this studio to the streets of d.c. this is a rally in support of that program to protect so-called dreamers that were brought here as kids. we are expecting a critical decision from the administration very soon. you'll see these folks marching down to doj, to i.c.e. headquarters in just a couple minutes here. joining me to talk about the news of the day, republican congressman carlos cobella of florida. thank you for being with us on this program. a couple minutes ago i had the secretary of state of kansas kris kobach saying dreamers should go back to their home countries and get in line. i'd like your reaction to that. >> it's regrettable that some fringe elements in our politics have a sick obsession with scapegating immigrants for blaming them for all of our
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economic struggles in this country. if you want a culprit for stagna stagnant, economic growth, weak economic growth, look at the tax code we're trying to fix. look at our education system which isn't fully aligned with the jobs of the 21st century. technology is a blessing but presents challenges to people looking for jobs. something that he said that really stood out is that young americans are struggling in this country. and he blamed immigrants for those struggles. well, it's young americans who overwhelmingly support the dreamers' cause and want to see congress take action to afford them a permanent solution. why? because they understand that these young people went to school with them, grew up in this country and that's why my bill is called the recognizing america's children's act because these young people are americans and it's up to us to recognize them as such. >> i want to talk about your bill, but i also want to talk about what you describe as a
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fringe element in your party. this is, we're talking about somebody who is a top adviser to president trump and is on immigration who currently runs his election board. is that really a fringe element? >> look at all the polling. an overwhelming majority of trump voters. support allowing these young immigrants to remain in our country. overwhelming majorities of republicans and democrats understand that these young people grew up in our country. that they are de facto americans. the law has to recognize them. they are already contributing to our country. we know that over time they will pay back in taxes a lot more than any benefits that they have received. so, that's another statistic that was shared that is a complete fallacy. most people in our country understand this. yes, there are people on the fringes who want to scapegoat these young people who are contributing so much. by the way, the president understands this. that's why the president has said that he wants to treat
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these young people with heart, with compassion. i know that the president of the united states does not think that these young people should leave the country. so, yes, those are fringe elements. >> how do you know that, congressman? have you had conversations with the president about the rack act, your bill you're using to propose these dreamers? have you talked to the white house about this? >> i have spoken with various administration officials and here's the bottom line. the president, as soon as he took office, could have rescinded this order. he decided to keep it in place and is only acting now because these states are threatening a lawsuit. general kelly, president's chief of staff when he was the secretary of homeland security specifically went to congress to ask for a legislative solution for these dreamers. so, the administration, i think, is actually in an okay place. obviously, i would prefer keeping this order in place until congress reaches a
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solution. the only good news here is that because the administration is canceling the order gradually, congress has now put on a deadline. we know, hallie, as we'll see in the month of september, congress will move quicker when deadlines are in place. >> when you're giving the six-month window are you hoping, senator cotton said he's optimistic. are you? >> i am. just in the last few days i have gotten calls from many republican colleagues asking about this legislation. the recognizing america's children act. today we just got a new co-sponsor before coming on the air with you all. i will let him make the news. >> you want to give me a little hint? who is it? republicans, democrats? >> a republican from the state of new jersey. definitely momentum is on our side. this is not just an issue of compassion. this is common sense. and most americans agree and i think most members of congress want to be on the right side of this issue and on the right side
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of history. >> very quickly, the "washington post" reporting on this deal to put protections for dreamers for funding for a border wall. is that something you would support if it came down to that? >> i'm not enamored with a border wall, halli. one of the members of congress who think compromise is a good word, not a bad word. designed a constitution based on numerous compromises. if it comes to a negotiation, i want to be at that table. and i want to get to yes. and i hope colleagues who approach this issue from different angles will all come to the table with their ideas and hoping to forge a compromise. knowing that a compromise may force all of us to support certain ideas or concepts that we're not fully comfortable with. that's the nature of it. that's the way congress is supposed to work. >> thank you for being here on this program. we'll stay tuned to see what happens with your bill over on the hill. i want to show you this radar image of hurricane irma
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we are back now with a quick check of your tuesday morning headlines. remember this guy? sean spicer. he's got a new gig. he confirmed in a tweet, of course, that he signed on with the worldwide speakers group and will be paid to give speeches. according to politico spicer gives one next week. resigned as white house press secretary back in late july, i think. california where the biggest wildfire ever to hit los angeles is now 30% contained. that's good news thanks to cooler temperatures, little bit of rain out there. all the evacuation orders have been lifted. flames have spread for some 7,000 acres this weekend. a state of emergency in l.a. eight people ended up hurt, inclouding four firefighters. house of representatives is set to vote on a $7 billion hurricane harvey relief bill tomorrow as folks in texas are still recovering from all of that devastation. really just the beginning of it.
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some are starting to return home for just the first time, but in other places, there are still mandatory evacuation orders. officials are releasing more water to try to bring down the levels of overwhelm eed reservoirs. 48 people have been killed so far as a result of the storm. we're also watching another storostorm, too. hurricane irma making its way towards puerto rico this morning. we're talking about states of emergency in puerto rico and in florida. and, listen, while we still don't know the storm's path, let's be clear about that. the national hurricane center says an increasing chance that irma will affect some of florida later this week. let's break this down. i want to bring in steve who is tracking irma's path. put this into context here. how concerned should people in florida and puerto rico be? >> we have a great concern, hallie. the reason why is over the last several days our models are starting to converge. when that happens, our confidence increases.
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so, while it's not a guarantee, our confidence for a florida impact is definitely going up. and when we see signs like this from our satellites showing such a healthy and impressive storm and nothing in the charts to basically disrupt this storm, we have some great concern. so, let's walk over to the boards here and show you where the imminent concerns are right now. that is areas of antigua and then you move up to the british virgin islands and u.s. virgin islands and puerto rico. all under hurricane warnings. hurricane conditions by later tonight and through the day tomorrow. time is running out to prepare for these conditions. including storm surge, deadly storm surge possible. hurricane-force wind gusts and also a lot of rainfall. after we get through puerto rico, then it's on to the other islands such as hispaniola and the other islands. less than a half hour on an
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update on the intensity and surge of this storm. hurricane-force winds extend out 45 miles from the eye. so, even on the southern part of this storm, there could be a considerable amount of damage. and then that turn to the west and northwest as we head towards friday into saturday, so, the landfall possibility in south florida would come on the day saturday, saturday night and into sunday. that's the time frame we're looking at here. so, there is time to prepare. there's also time for this to change. if the hurricane passes on the north shore of cuba, it could weaken it just a bit. that's what we would have to hope for for a weaker storm. that's really the only scenario i could see right now, at least, for this storm to be a little bit weaker as it heads towards florida. >> steve, i know you will track that from the weather center up at 30 rock. i want to show you, too, where we expect to see any minute florida governor rick scott coming out at that microphone at naples. he will be giving an update on
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so we're following some new developments this morning after kim jong-un's latest nuclear test. north korea's ambassador is warning the u.n. that more gift packages, as he says, are on the way if the u.s. keeps putting pressure on pyongyang. vladimir putin is asking for some dialogue overnight. warning that ramping up what he calls military hysteria could lead to a global catastrophe. richard engel is in seoul, south korea. new military drills were held there today, right? >> so, oortanother show of forc that came from the south koreans. we've seen many of these over the last couple of weeks. the south korean military trying to reassure its people, trying to project messaging towards north korea that it is strong. that its army is robust. it's not just a pushover. but i think that the big news came out maybe with that
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statement from vladimir putin. he was not just calling for dialogue. he was actually expressing a great deal of understanding, let's say, for the north korean position. he said that other regimes, he mentioned them specifically, like saddam hussein and moammar gadhafi. they gave up their programs. saddam didn't have one to give up. but both of those regimes were forcefully overthrown by the united states. gadhafi ended up getting murdered in a drainage ditch. putin understands why north korea wants to have a program. he said the people of north korea would rather eat grass or give up or the leadership of north korea would rather eat grass than give up the nuclear program and that all the build up and rhetoric from the united states and south korea and japan. but primarily from the united states that we're seeing right now is what could lead to an international disaster and calamity. he thinks the united states should be talking directly to north korea.
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also significantly, when i think this gives an indication of the direction this is going, i think the u.s. that the administration had been hoping that there would be this big coming together of the international community. people getting together behind a new sanctions regime. perhaps announcing it at a u.n. security council meeting. maybe even at the u.n. general assembly meeting. but russia has come out and said it's not going to support any more sanctions. putin giving a dig at the u.s. right now saying how could he support putting no more sanctions on north korea when russia itself is under sanction. so, i think that's giving it an indication that russia does not, is not reading from the same sheet of music as the united states by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to dealing with the north korean crisis. this crisis, by the way, this weekend could escalate quite a bit when we're talking about the north koreans, the south koreans predict that the north will fire
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another kind of ballistic missile. that gift package, you referenced at the top of the show. that could happen. maybe even on saturday. and we will be watching what happens. which direction it goes in. does the united states trying to shoot the missile down. that ballistic missile test considering this environment and the rhetoric that's been thrown out there is quite significant, if it happens. >> richard engel reporting from seoul, thank you very much. i want to bring in the former director of the national security council under the bush and obama administrations. along with my panel senior politics reporter and msnbc political analyst hieidi. thank you, all, for being here. i'll start with you because i want you to react to what you heard from richard about russia, basically. and the significance of this. what does it mean that putin is now, that vladimir putin is now taking this line. >> he's just trying to play a spoiler. regardless, we have sanctions in
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place the last time north korea after the intercontinental ballistic missile test. the problem is, we need to enforce sanctions. so, the question for the trump administration. yes, we can do more sanctions and russia is playing a spoiler. if the russian banks and entities don't play ball and enforce we're going to have a problem. we're now look at, perhaps, pressing on the secondary boycott of third party entities and banks doing this business with north korea. do we have a will to go in that direction? more secondary boycott and pressing on third-party entities. >> to answer the question that you, yourself pose, does the united states have a will to go forward with these other secondary sanctions and should they? >> are you asking me? >> yes. >> oh, i'm sorry. >> that's okay. >> well, mr. trump has said that now he's going to go after any country that is doing trade with north korea. that he is going to make this choice very explicit for the
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countries, other countries. you can only do trade or business with the united states or with north korea. not both. so -- >> would that be eeffective? a lot of folks think that is unrealistic. >> that is unrealistic, but secondary boycott of entities that do business with north korea are not realistic. we have started doing it and i think we're going to see more secondary boycott. i'm not sure about the overall trade, but i think that is unrealistic. >> hang tight for a second. i want to bring you two in here, heidi and jennifer. as we talk about trade and economic sanctions discussion in the white house of pulling out of a free trade agreement with south korea. in the last couple minutes you had senator hatch and head of ways and means to finance and our producer on the hill put it, big guns coming out and urging the president not to do that. he's facing some political pressure. >> that is exactly why lawmakers are so concerned right now that right at the time when we need to be locking arms with our
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allies, we are doing things, these ten gentle things including threatening a trade war with china. threatening a trade war with south korea. these are the countries that we need to incircle north korea and to bring that overwhelming economic pressure on them. and you can see here where the president's party is breaking with him because it makes no sense at this time where north korea is feeling so emboldened right now. they're seeing these frayed relations with our allies and they're feeling empowered by it, not just by what is going on with russia and china but threatening a trade war against our allies. >> you know you have the trump administration at once saying we stand with south korea. we're going to sell them more weapons as he said in the call yesterday that he had with our president, again, tweeted today. so, if you're going to stand with them, then you're also going to pull out of trade. like it doesn't, it doesn't quite work. and i think that that's a complication where you have the president's kind of different
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pieces of positions of kind of the very, you know, populous butting up against, trying to run against a country and not a nuclear war. >> vladimir putin question when he was talking about the sanctions of north korea the effectiveness of it. he said that north korea would rather eat grass than give up their nuclear program. he said this, it's on your screen. he said north korea would rather eat grass than give up their nuclear program. do you think he has a point? >> he has a point that north korea will probably never give up nuclear weapons. they have said it over and over and i don't know how many times they have said it. see holding on to nuclear weapons the ultimate way to survive and, yes, they have seen khaddifi and saddam hussein and they have drawn all kind of wrong lessons. nuclear weapons is the only way for them to continue survive. that said, we don't have a lot of ways to pressure the regime.
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sanctions is the only way. one of the only things we can do because we military option is not really on the table. >> one of the other things putin said and we pulled that quote up on the screen. asked if he was disappointed with president trump, your question sounds very naive. he is not my bride neither am i his bride or groom. >> you see both leaders try to distance from each other at this point in time and i think you're just seeing that again here. >> kind of interesting response, heidi. >> yeah. well, this comes also at a time when he's sending some people, authorized presumably by the kremlin to say, do we have on trump? yes, we do. russia is feeling the pressure of the trump administration pulling away from them. >> i'll ask you to hang out after the break. thank you for being with us, but we do want to get back to today's big announcement on dreamers. in about 15 minutes from now, we'll talk more about that after the break. they're experts in things you haven't heard of -
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ten minutes from now we expect to see jeff sessions over at the department of justice to determine what happens next with the dreamers program. it will affect those brought by
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friends and families. watching this, monday tering this, kristen, what can we expect here? we don't expect questions from the attorney general. >> reporter: jeff sessions is going to announce president trump's decision to end daca, that program that protects undocumented young people who are brought here as children. but he's also going to announce it with a six-month delay. it's politically significant that president trump is not making the announcement himself. this is a highly controversial move and he's distancing himself from that announcement quite frankly. we don't expect questions from the attorney general but certainly do have a number of them. i anticipate you'll hear reporters shouting out questions. look, this is being met with a backlash with those on the left and far right. you have a democrat's immigration advocates that say this is punishing those who are effectively model immigrants. then you have the far right saying that president trump campaigned on a promise to end
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daca and this is effectively trying to have it both ways, that he's kicking the can down the road on this very critical campaign promise. in terms of chances of congress coming up with a solution, the republican party deeply divided over this, hallie, there's already talk of a potential compromise, trying to get funding for the border wall in order to get a fix for daca but that's of course going to be very far down the line as you and i have been talking about. it's a jam packed fall leg lirve season. all across the country this is a very hot button issue. >> i think we have live pictures of the protests happening, we'll look for your report on "nightly news." want to go to houston, a lot of people watching this closely are in texas. it's where we fine mariana etansio, you have been talking with those trying to rebuild
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after harvey. >> reporter: that's exactly right. i've been talking to dreamers all morning and there's a lot of frustration resilience yens and fear on the ground here. fear of the unknown for a community like houston that has been battered by the storm. i mean, many of these dreamers one the ones driving their family to safety and provide financial stability for families to rebuild. as they await this decision and the fact that they lost their homes but many of them could also lose their family, it's created a lot of anxiety for many of them here. i'm standing in the neighborhood where a lot of people are literally picking up the pieces. i just spoke to a dreamer, her house is home me, her home got flooded and she gave me a tour of what's left and described what losing daca could mean for her family as they try to rebuild here in houston. >> we lost everything and now just -- i mean, to rebuild your house, you need a job.
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you need money. and it's just really hard. it's really hard rebuild your house, your family and also you have this wall that they are putting everything on hold. >> reporter: many of these dreamers have described the situation here in houston as dealing with two storms. but the waiting game is over and right now they are just counting the minutes to get to know what this decision is and how to deal with it head on. >> mariana, thank you. we have about six minutes until the top of the hour when we expect to see the attorney general come out and formally officially announce what a lot of folks are expecting, heidi and jennifer, this rescinding daca with the six-month window for congress. you look at the faces of people affected by this. this is obviously an emotionally
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challenged issue. that prevents a real challenge for a president who on the one hand has dreamers to rest easy and on the other hand, i am going to rescind what he believes is a constitutional executive order. there's such a huge morale dimension to this. she's a perfect example why even if we want to put aside the huge moral side of this, the economic side, the return on investment here, that this country has made and these dreamers, you look, the average age they came here, 6 years old. now they are all in their 20s, even if like secretary cobach we invested the tax dollars and public education system, they are out as adults and working over 90% are in school or paying college tuition or working and paying taxes and by the way, before this ever happened, i covered the social security issue. one of the main ways that we can
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fix the problem we have in the aging society is by bringing in productive and immigrants who are of working age and the secretary is wrong -- >> they are not net takers, they are giving by paying taxes into our system. >> it's personal and political, so many things in washington are. it's interesting and kristen alluded to this. it's jeff sessions making the announcement, not the president from the east room or at the white house, it's the attorney general over at the doj. >> one of the things that we've gotten a sense of from the white house is that there was a lot of pressure on the president from the attorney general from steven miller who is an extremely hawkish on immigration, that these two advisers pushed the president to make a decision to kind of go along with the timing and threats coming from the state attorneys general and that kind of forced and made today the decision day. and it sounds like the president by all accounts is kind of a
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little bit indecisive about this. >> he appears conflicted. conflicted and concerns and nuances which we don't see on a lot of issues. >> go ahead, it is true on the one hand he said we want to help them and on the other hand we have to end this -- >> can we remind people why we're here? the reason why we're here congress couldn't get the act together to do some kind of immigration reform. despite the fact that president obama in trying to get them to move became what we call the deporter in chief. he did that because he knew it was his good faith part of trying to get the congress to move. even under the best circumstances they couldn't do the bare minimum of taking care of these individuals by all accounts americans because they were brought here before -- i have a six-year-old, couldn't even remember remember these things. >> i'm looking at my notes, one of our political unit members, talking about exactly these
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numbers, that in december of 2010 the dream act passed by only eight republicans supported it. the bottom line, the president is putting this in hands of congress, republican congress who may not want to do anything with it. we have to say good-bye, guess what's happening in two minutes from now. jeff sessions is going to be coming up talking about this. thank you very much for joining us. that does it for us for now. i'm give it over a little early to ali velshi and stephanie ruhle, standing by to see what the attorney general has to say. >> thanks very much for that. good morning, i'm ali velshi. >> i'm stephanie ruhle, it is september 5th, let's get started. zblt national hurricane center said the changss ever irma affecting parts of florida this week or this weekend, are increasing. >> all 67 counties are under a state of emergency. >> everybody is pretty much in
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agreement and then sunday into monday, look at that path. >> today is all about preparation. >> the last time we had a category five it was hurricane andrew back in 1992. >> sources say the president will likely end daca with a six-month delay. >> protects undocumented immigrants brought to the u.s. as children. >> it is going to create a lot of uncertainty and be damaging for the country. >> a blue state backlash with attorneys general in new york and washington vowing to sue if the president cancels daca. >> we need to end it and start looking over the united states citizens first. it's a tough job market. >> why would you want to give an amnesty for 1.7 million young illegal aliens to compete against them. >> nothing wrong with asking people to go home. >> a lot of republicans saying this is a bad idea.
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>> it's the latest edition of the gop's daunting to do list -- >> when i was in congress, a plate this big in this consequential -- >> the trump administration is warning kim jong-un that enough is enough. >> the possibility of war hangs in the balance. >> south korea carrying out live fire exercises for a second straight day. >> one of north korea's principal aims is to split the united states from south korea. >> stevemunchin said he's drafting the new sanction package. >> russia's president put frn issuing a stark warning. north korea would rather eat grass than abandon its nuclear program. >> truth is they are now a nuclear state. >> we have a lot of breaking news, you're looking at rallies the top two squares on the top of your screen are rallies in new york. the bottom two are washington. in front of the white house, there are hundreds now rallying


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