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we'll have to find a none traj terrifying weather event. did i just spill a secret? that does it for the hour to all of my friends here. that does it for our hour of nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> hi, nicolle. >> i hope your family is in my thoughts and prayers. >> everybody is taking it seriously. everybody is right. everybody is taking it seriously. our people are bolting. any way, thank you, nicolle. if it's wednesday, everyone is in disaster prevention mode. tonight, tracking hurricane irma. >> this storm is massive and the storm surge as predikd will go on for miles. this storm is bigger, faster and stronger than hurricane andrew. >> we will get an update from the head of fema as this monster hurricane barrels thwarted the florida coast. plus the growing threat from nrk. i'll talk to former pentagon and
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cia chief leon pan et at that. >> i think we've got both covert and overt capabilities to make sure that those missiles can be taken down. >> and the new prescription for health care. senator lamar alexander on his bipartisan plan for an obamacare lifeline. >> in some cases if we don't act, they might not be able to buy insurance next year, so we have to change it. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >> good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington and welcome to "mtp daily." on a day when it seems like everyone is in disaster plea vengs mode, when it's of the natural kind like hurricane irma, the national security kind like north korea or the political kind like the escalating fall out from the president's actions on a government shutdown and on immigration. we're going to dive into all of these stories tonight but we begin with another historic hurricane barreling towards the mainland. washington still navigating the complicated politics of cleaning
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up after harvey which today prompted president trump to openly defy his own party. after meeting with congressional leaders at the white house, the president said agreed with the dmgs on a deal that provides harvey cleanup funds with a simple short term three month extension of the debt limit and funding. some republicans are fuming. gop leadership wanted a long-term, 18-month extension of the debt ceiling to avoid having yet another vote on it before the mid sterms. but the president agreed to the three-month hike that democrats put on the table. so that means no government shutdown, yet. but buckle up for a december to remember. >> earlier today, though, the house did pass a bill totaling nearly $8 billion in harvey aid with no strings attached. as hurricane politics frustrate republican leadership, irma is quickly approaching the united states. it did make landfall as a cot gory 5 storm in bar bu da in the caribbean earlier today with maximum sustained winds of 185
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miles per hour which is near the highest ever on record. damage is already extensive in the areas that have been hit. president trump declared emergencies in the u.s. virgin islands, puerto rico and yes florida where the eye of the storm could move in by sunday morning. forecasters are saying that it cannot yet be predicted but at this point it's expected to head near south florida. the state's governor did not mince words today on the storm's potential destructive power. >> this storm is bigger, faster and stronger than hurricane andrew. many of here experienced andrew. this storm far exceeds that. we are being very aggressive in our preparation for this storm and every flaen should take this storm seriously and be aggressive to protect their family. >> governor scott called for the evacuation of tourists and advisers from the florida keys this morning and he orlandoed all residents to evacuate starting this evening. additional evacuations are also expected. joining me now for the latest is
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the administrator of the federal emergency management agency, brock long. mr. long, welcome back to the show. this has been quite the busy hurricane season for you already. >> good afternoon, chuck. how are you? >> i'm okay. let me ask you this. i know we got the # 5:00 update. what can you tell us more about the path. >> irma is a deadly storm. unfortunately, it's already impacted our -- the u.s. virgin islands and currently impacting puerto rico and the good news is that we have leaned very far forward, very similar to harvey. we have incident management teams in place in both puerto rico and the virgin islands along with commodities and once the storm allows we'll begin to start our life saving operations there. and then we'll see what happens over the next 24, 48 hours as it encroaches on florida and the southeast. very dangerous storm. i hope people are listening to the local evacuation warpgs as necessity come into play. >> i want to ask you about that. governor scott ordered the evacuation of the keys.
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if you live in the keys, you know to heed those warnings. how concerned are you that folks aren't going to heed some of these warnings if they're on the mainland of florida? >> there aren't many americans that have ever experienced storm surge from a major hurricane and the ones that stick around to figure out what it's like typically get killed. you know, the bottom line is storm surge is the unfor giving hazard. it's the main reason we ask people to evacuate or local governments and state governments ask people to evacuate. storm surge has the highest potential to kill the most amount of people and cause the most amount of damage. and so this is different than harvey, because harvey was devastating for five days, mostly because of rainfall. but this has great steering currents and storm sunch is going to be the main exact here. >> and it looks like this hurricane is going to be a strong hurricane for quite sometime. that just because it hits south florida, about half the hurricane is still going to be over water of the this means what for the rest of the
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southeast coast? >> well, anytime a hurricane has access to water, it still has the ability to draw in energy and maintain its intensity. and so i think the national hurricane forecast, you know, suggests that this is going to remain a major hurricane through the next five days. and then we have to watch it very closely. florida is not the only one that needs to be watching it in the continental united states. if it stays on the east side of florida, it's going tow implications for ja, south carolina and north carolina. we're monitoring the entire southeastern united states right now. >> are you on resources both financial and physical, to be honest. money you can find but sometimes my guess is with all the physical response that has to be done in texas, how short of staff are you? >> so we're not short of staff right now. we have rolled -- we've been able to roll all search and rescue teams out of texas. we're repositioning them in the southeast. and we also have search and rescue ready to go for the
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islands. the bottom line is we've already pushed forward on power teams. we're using other staff from other regions and other states coming in to be able to support irma. as far as the funding goes, i've been laser focused on the life safety mission, but it's my understanding that the white house and homeland security are working with the congress to get going on the supplemental so we should be good there. >> one final thing i'm hoping to get you to emphasize. i have no doubt there are folks on the southwest side of florida who are sitting there watching and thinking, okay, if it hits miami and it goes up there, we have less to worry about. why shouldn't they be thinking that way? >> well, you know, i've said this before. i don't put a lot of confidence in a five-day forecast, meaning that in five days it will exactly be where that forecast point is predicted currently. what you have to look for is friends. what's it been doing over the last three, four cast periodsment is it trending to the west or to the east? and right now it's a race against a cold front coming out
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over the continental united states and the bermuda high, and the bottom line is as when this storm starts to turn north we'll have a better understanding of the true impacts when it comes to florida or whether or not it travel in a different direction. and, you know, you don't want to be in the maximum radius winds of this storm or where hurricane force winds are prevalent. >> well, as somebody who went through andrew, i can tell you there were people that were without power for months and never evacuated and should have. and these were friends and family of mine. i think a lot of people in miami learned hard lessons during andrew. i hope they don't have to this time. >> and chuck that's an important message. expectations here, citizens they'd to be ready and understand that this could be devastating to south florida. >> all right. brock long, head of fema. a lot of sleepless nights ahead for you. good luck. >> thank you. all right. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. turning now to the big news today in politics. in addition to the president's surprise move to side with democrats on a short-term deal
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to fund harvey cleanup, fund the government and raise the debt limit, but while meeting with congressional leaders from both parties, the president insisted he had, quote, no second thoughts about his decision to end daca despite a tweet last night strongly suggesting that he did. yesterday he announced he would terminate the obama era program which protects approximately 800,000 immigrants brought here illegal is achildren from deportation in six months unless congress acts. but last night he said that if congress doesn't act, he would merely, quote, revisit this issue. today he echoed that sentiment while speaking with reporters saying if congress doesn't act then, quote, we're going to do what we're going to do. that uncertainty is not sitting well with some top republicans, including these folks. and right now the wheeling and dealing has begun on both sides. >> we are demanding that we pass a clean d.r.e.a.m. act this september, this year to protect these d.r.e.a.m.ers and generations to come. >> it's only fitting and reasonable that we also deal with some of the root cause of this problem, because what we
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don't want to have happen is another daca program in ten years from now. >> it looks to be some linkage with border security and daca moving forward. >> it is going to require some people on both sides of the aisle to, how can i put this? to basically grow some oranges and step up to the plate and make some hard decisions. >> well, i'm joined now by leon pan et at that. you name it he's probably done it. what did i leave out, leon, at this point? >> that was pretty good, chuck. >> let me start with what you just heard there. this seems to be not a hard thing to make happen. when you hear the rhetoric from paul ryan, you hear the rhetoric from particular dur ban, top leader in the senate democrats, top leader house republicans. everybody wants -- it seems as
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if there is a consensus about daca. i guess the question is how do you make it happen, because let's be realistic, it isn't going to be done stand alone? >> well, you're right. and normally it would require presidential leadership. you know, i think if we were looking at past presidents how they'd approach this issue, they would provide a proposal to the congress that would correct what is required here in order to protect those young people and that in the interim they would also protect from any kind of federal action those students while congress is working on this issue. so it would require presidential leadership. what i get a sense here is that president trump has kind of gone ahead and said he's going to wipe out daca in six months and throwing the ball to the
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congress with the hope that somehow the congress will be able to put this together. without presidential leadership, you know, this is a pretty dysfunctional congress generally. and i just think it's going to be very difficult to have both sides come together on a proposal that can fix this. >> well, let me play devil's advocate here. sometimes congress doesn't abt unless there's a deadline. >> well, that's true too. but i've always thought that the best way to get congress to operate is to put the leaders in the same room, put democrats and republicans in the same room and try to work out a resolution. both sides agree that this has to be fixed. both sides understand that it should have been fixed. the problem is congress hasn't fixed it. that's why president obama went ahead and issued this order and it's why we have the situation
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we have now. so it is really important for the leadership to come together. my hope would be, frankly, that they could approve some kind of daca bill hopefully near the end of this year as part of that overall solution to the budget and debt limit ceiling issue that they're going to face in december as a result of this short-term extension. >> what would be your advice to democrats who p don't want to see that wall funded, don't want to see that wall built that if the price of protecting these folks that were protected under daca is a down payment on that wall, if that's the legislative price, what's your advice to democrats on how to vote on that bill? >> well, there are a lot of moving parts here going into december. a lot of things that are going to be needed, not only in terms of the budget, not only in terms of the debt limit, but also on hurricane assistance,
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particularly the additional assistance that will be required for the hurricane that's going to hit in these next few days. the reauthorization of key legislation. i would try to keep all of those moving parts in play. i would not try to make this a quid pro quo for funding the wall. i would try to look for other parts that the president and republicans are going to want as a result of some kind of comprehensive deal. >> let me turn to north korea. it seems as if -- are we out of diplomatic options, and if we're not, what's left? >> chuck, this is obviously, you know, one of the tenseist moments i've seen in dealing with north korea since i've been in public life. and these guys have been obviously engaged in a whole history of provocation,
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accommodation and provocation and accommodation. but i've never seen a situation where my sense is that they want to rush to the point where they can have an icbm and be able to put some kind of miniature iced nuclear weapon on the top of an icbm. this is a dangerous moment. i think the key is that we have to keep applying pressure. look, we know that -- >> does the pressure -- let me ask you this. we continue to apply the pressure on north korea. is it time to apply more pressure on china? >> oh, no. i think you've got to tighten the noos all the way around. i think you've got to continue to provide the military assistance to south korea and to japan, give them missile capabilities, increase our military presence there. i think we've got to toughen up on the sanctions. that means pushing china to
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increase additional sanctions on north korea. it means keeping up, obviously, a diplomatic effort, including south korea, including japan, including other countries in the asia region, all applying pressure on north korea. that all has to be tied to a very, very clear presentation of a message to north korea that we are going to squeeze you and tighten this noos around you, but we are not going to allow you to continue to test your missiles and to do the kind of testing that you're doing with nuclear weapons. that violates international law and it's a threat to our national security. >> all right. but we've heard this time and time again and the fact of the matter is sanctions haven't worked yet. >> well, i think it has to be
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sanctions plus. i don't think -- you know, i think you keep the sanctions going, you try to get china to abide by that. but you make very clear that the united states is not going to allow north korea to simply continue to test these missiles at will. >> what do you do -- >> we will do everything necessary. >> what does that mean? >> everything necessary to stop that. i think we've got both covert and overt capabilities to make sure that those missiles can be taken down. >> and you think it's about time we show that we can take one down? >> i think you've got to show that the united states has the muscle and the intent to make sure that we're going to protect our national security, period. >> well, leon pan et at that, i will leave that period as the last word. i won't tick through everything, but appreciate you coming on. >> good. nice to talk with you, chuck. >> you got it. thanks. >> we've got a lot to dissect
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but appreciate you coming on. we'll be right bac welcome back to "mtp daily." the president just wrapped up remarks in nord. it was the second speech in a week aimed at pushing tax reform and with these appearances he's doing something rare, an actual favor for his party. president trump invited north dakota democratic senator heidi heitkamp to hitch a ride on air force one. senator heitkamp is up for re-election in 2018 and she's running in a red state. >> senator heitkamp, senator, come on up. i have to say you are all in favor of tax cuts, aren't you? >> absolutely. >> thank you, senator. everyone is saying what's she doing up here, but i'll tell you what, good woman and i think we'll have your support. i hope we'll have your support. >> last week the president appeared in missouri, another state he won and the home of another democrat, senator claire
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mccaskill whose seat could also flip next year. and he didn't go after her too badly. he sounded like he was trying to win her vote for tax reform. either he talks them into or she just won herself a primary challenge esh just for agreeing to appear with the president. then again, this is north dakota. at least that's something that might make mitch mcconnell smile a little bit today, because he's not smiling after his white house meeting this morning. we'll be back with more "mtp daily" in 60 second. you don't let anything lkeep you sidelined.
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>> welcome back. let me bring in tonight's panel. carol lee, michael steele, and ruth mark us, deputy he had editorial page editor and columnist for the "washington post." you spend a lot of time covering this white house. before the show started i thought did he side with schumer and pelosi in a continuing of the august grievances against mcconnell and ryan? and then i saw "the wall street journal" breaking news story that gary cohn is no longer in the running to be fed chair and source say because of his comments on charlottesville. now it feels as if there may be something more to this, that this may have been personal. >> well, where the president is asserting himself. >> yes. >> also. you know, it did feel like a little bit of a rebuke of the republicans after their feuding over the summer. at the same time it felt like the president, you know, there was this narrative that the republicans were going to govern and, you know, ignore trump and not really pay attention to what
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he was doing and just focus on what they want to do, and this seemed to be the president saying like, hey, you need me and i'm going to focus on maybe give you the hand a little bit and work with democrats, at least in this particular instance. but, you know, he's saying that everybody walked out of there happy. that was certainly not the case. >> not the case. i mean, mitch mcconnell -- and i'm going to put my folks on the spot here. i think we have mitch mcconnell earlier today on what he said. oh, where he basically said well, this is the deal that the president and the democrats have agreed to and i will support it. >> there are different levels of happy. i'm sure that was mcconnell's version of ebb u lent. >> there is a side of this, though, to your point about the president's approach. the president from the very beginning and i always thought and some of his folks believe he would find a way to go his own way. he's about cutting the deal that he thinks is going to work for him. probably a lot of what you're
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saying on smack back on the party establishment for the way they treated him in august or the way he felt he was treated. this is something republicans need to get used to because this is the first taste of it. there's going to be more of this. you think infrastructure discussions are going to go the way the gop wants it to go? he's got leverage with democrats. he knows he can go and make the deal with them at the end of the day and he sat in that meeting and he listened to everybody, and it was very clear as reported the congressional teams were like, okay, we'll just agree to disagree. and the president was like no, i'm with the democrats. changed the whole thing. >> why is this not smart of the president. >> it is. >> if the republicans are going to sit here and say we're just going to get him to sign legislation. >> well, i think -- i'm wondering if there's not going to be a bellow back from this because i'm not sure it's a very good deal in terms of republicans -- >> a terrible deal politically. >> okay. so as there is reporting that says, oh, by the way, mr. art of the deal there cut a terrible deal.
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they started at 18 months and the democrats said three. so then they went to six months and the democrats said three. so finally he agreed on three. great negotiation. how is he going to respond to that? probably not very well. he gives up an renormous amount of leverage. it might look good now. it's not going to look that good in december when he's over a barrel on a bunch of other things. >> maybe he sees that as part of the more that's in play in december, there's another theory here, right, the more that's in play, the more deals you can cut and he may envision this grand bargain of daca, government funding, his wall, debt limit. >> absolutely. yeah. >> and look at me, marry christmas, america. >> although it's interesting because congress hasn't done anything grand for a long time. >> there's a lot of christmas that have gotten ruined. >> democrats never had it so good even when they had a democratic president in terms of getting a deal like this which is exactly what they wanted. but then you heard the president afterwards, you know, he said well, chuck and thaens, they
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want to see something on daca too and so he seems to be laying the groundwork for this really playing out -- >> you're throwing in the wall, right, and the democrats say, no, no wall. and he says wall and they say no wall and the clock is ticking. >> but again, let's play -- if he wants this wall and he knows he's going to have to convince democrats to do this, don't you start handing them little figure leaves like this? give them a short term win because you're trying to convince them, hey, look, i'm going to give you your daca deal, but i want the wall. >> you show you're not a really good negotiator in order to lure them in maybe. >> how do they contextual eyes the wall versus this particular deal versus anything else the president throws on the table. so for the democrats, they're walking out of the oval office scratching their head today going -- >> because they can't believe -- that's the part -- >> what did we do again?
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>> they're probably going, wait a minute, what did we agree to. they probably had no idea they'd get this. >> and with donald trump, everything has a price. and so the question is are you going to pay the price now or are you going to pay it in december or some other negotiation for a deal that he values much more than even this deal. >> i've gt to ask quickly about the gary cohn thing. >> that was. >> foreseeable. >> it was obviously that was what it was going to cost him was fed chair. i wonder if he's asking himself why didn't he just resign. >> i think this was something that he anticipated was going to anger the president so much because if you talk to people in the white house they thought that he was aware of how he felt about this at least and by all accounts he is completely shunned inside the white house and this was the inevitable end to that. >> as long as it's not public. >> right. it's the public piece of it. >> anybody who watched donald trump from the outside should
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have, no less from the inside should have understood. maybe you can say express yourself behind closed doors but if you humiliate him or embarrass him in public, he'll never forget it. the man was talking the size of his hands when he was putting on gloves the other day. there's no slight that he ever forgets. >> leon pan et at that it seemed, carol, was basically saying it's time to show the north koreans some of our military might. but then you'd ask him do you have to take town a missile? well, there's many options we have. he's not the only former defense secretary i've had a conversation about this over the past few years. we have the capability but there's always been a hesitance to show it, but there's a growing chorus of folks in the pentagon it's about time. >> show them something. >> not bopg of their -- but to stop their launches. >> right. and this is an inflexion point in all of this. and incompetent the other part of that interview was
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interesting was the talk about china because how this plays out depends as much on china as it does north korea. and i talked to officials today that said that call did not go well, there was no breakthrough in that call. it was the same circular conversation that they had, you know, the president says we want you to cut off oil and china says well, we want you to talk to nok and he says we're bnt going to do that, we're going to have to move to sanctioning your banks if you don't do something and china says well, then we'll retail yalt. nen you're -- well, you should talk to north korea. back in this loop, right. >> something for china as well as russia as we were sort of -- >> i think the russia angle to this is way much more, much more. any way, all right, guys. stick around. up next, a new bipartisan push to keep obamacare afloat. stay with us. it's time to rethink what's possible. rethink the experience. rethink your allergy pills.
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still ahead, how wide is the cultural divide in we have some remarkable new numbers. but first with some different numbers with the market wrap. >> thanks, chuck. stocks closing higher as president trump backs attaching a debt ceiling hike to a hurricane relief bill. the dow rising 54 points. the s&p up by 7. the nasdaq gaining 17. the u.s. trade deficit expanding slightly according to commerce department data for july, indicating a decline in exports. toys r us has hired a law firm to prepare for a possible
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that are on the plate. hopefully we can solve them in a rational way. >> welcome back. you heard him. that was president trump today mentioning the many things congress has to take on now that they're back from the august recess. on top of raising the debt ceiling, funding the government, passing relief for hurricane harvey and everything else this month, health care still remains a big priority. now the senate is doing something many lawmakers pleaded for before the republican healthcare bill imploded in the senate in july. a version of regular order. that means holding hearings and those hearings got away today. the help committee. well, this afternoon i went to capitol hill and sat down with the chair of that committee, republican senator lamar alexander of tennessee to talk about what's realistic on health
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care, president trump and congress's rocky road ahead. >> let me start with a simple broad question. is obamacare the law of the land i am perpetuity. >> it's the law of the land until it's changed. and we have to change it because we're talking about 18 million americans in this individual market. they don't get their insurance from the government. they don't get it on the job. and the premiums are going up. and in some cases if we don't act, they might not be able to buy insurance next year. so we have to change it. >> it was always interesting to me. you throughout this process have tried not to use the word repeal. you were somebody that kept trying to use the word repair when it came to obamacare. >> yeah. >> why? >> well, first it's not accurate, because we need 60 votes to repeal, and we didn't even get 51. >> yeah. >> so we were using a process that was limited. so in truth we were repealing major parts of obamacare. that was the republican effort, and replacing it with major parts. so it wasn't accurate to say
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it's repealing the whole thing. >> so that's why you have always wanted to use the word repair? >> yeah. >> but it also seemed to me like an outreach effort, like if you said repair, democrats were more likely to listen to you. >> that's probably true. i was a governor, so, you know, my job as governor and the president's job really is to persuade at least half the people were right, and that means some democrats and inds every independence. so i'm always working to try to get a result. in the senate that means 60 votes. in the country that means at least half the people. and in the republican party or among the conservative base, maybe we've got a third. so i'm always reaching out. >> what have you learned now through all this? you guys made the six-month effort to repeal a major piece of this legislation. it expires at the end of the month. i assume your ability to change the law with 50 votes, you guys are going to let that expire? >> well, senator mcconnell says it's still on the table. >> but on september 30th -- >> on september 30th that
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opportunity is gone. >> and are you comfortable with that? >> i don't like it. i voted innum rabl times to change it. the fundamental problem was that too many decisions are made in washington and it increased the cost of insurance. we wanted to move decisions back to the states, increase the number of choices, lower the costs, and that was the difference of opinion we've had for seven years of a political stalemate. >> so on october 1st what does this look like? >> well, if we're fortunate between now and the end of the month we'll have a small bipartisan agreement that will lower premiums in 2018 or at least keep them from going up much and then lower them more in 2019. in this very small part of the insurance market. what people don't realize is that the whole so-called obamacare debate is mostly about 6% of the people with insurance. nearly 300 million of us have health insurance. we're arguing about the people
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who don't have -- who have individual insurance. >> let me move onto the summer of attacks that president trump went after mitch mcconnell, other republicans. >> uh-huh. >> what kind of repercussions could that lead to this month? how bruised are the fields around here? >> oh, the people -- you know, senator mcconnell has been here awhile. he and the president met this week. i think they get along fine. mcconnell is very professional. he knows he's got a job to do. he's got an institution to make work. and the president is, you know -- he just does things in a different way. he doesn't do things the way i do it or say the things that i would say, but he was elected by the people, so my job is to work with him and when i can as i hope to do on this health care this month, we'll try to make the country better. >> i am curious what your reaction was when your tennessee colleague bob corker said this of the president. the president has not yet been
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able to demonstrate the stability or some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful? >> i'm not very surprised by that because senator corker always says what he thinks, even about me or president trump. what most people don't know is there's not a single republican senator who president trump talks with more than bob corker. >> that's interesting. >> they talk a lot. the president will call him for advice. >> what does that mean to you, then? if he's saying that, if bob -- you just said there's no u.s. senator the president speaks with more than bob corker, then what does that statement say. >> that means to me it's probably advice the president would be well advised to listen to. my suggestion was the president and corker should go play another round of golf and talk to each other. >> let me ask you about daca? where are you on it? if this comes on the floor of the united states senate -- first of all, should it be stand alone or would you support having it linked to other bills? >> here is what i think. i think after we finish tax reform, the president said six months. i think this gives president
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trump an opportunity to do for immigration what president nixon did for china. president trump might be the only president who could take this very contentious issue and say to the american people, okay, i've got a proposal. let's secure the borders, develop a legal immigration system and take care of the problems that people without status like the children who came here with their parents. i don't know any other president who could cause that to happen. if he'd make a proposal like that, i would work with him on it. i voted for something much like that in 2013. >> right. >> 68 senators did. so i hope he does that. i think it's a chance for him to provide extraordinary leadership of which he would be very proud when it was over. >> how do you sell this in tennessee? how do you sell daca in tennessee, the idea rf protecting these folks who came over here as children? how do you sell that and say, you know what, we're going to give them a form of amnesty? how do you sell this in tennessee? >> their parents brought them
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here and what we're going to say is you grew up here. this is the only country you know. we usually don't visit the sins of the parents on children. so they're law-abiding. if they graduate from high school, if they're enrolled in college or the military, we'll give them a status hearing. that makes a lot of sense to me. i voted for that exact formula in 2013. i was re-elected in 2014. >> interesting political period on that by senator alexander. that was just some of our interview this afternoon. we'll have the whole thing up online soon, including more details on health care, what's ahead for congress and the state of technology. wait until you hear what he calls our democracy of the 21st century these days. up next, some interesting findings on our new nbc news wall street journal poll on what's exactly dieding the country. determine its power.
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welcome back. tonight i'm obsessed with how deep the cultural fault lines are in the country today and how they correspond with our political party i.d.s. we asked people whether they are comfortable with america becoming for diverse and tolerant of different lifestyles, gender roles, languages, cultures and experiences. the responses give us a good picture of why the country is so divided.
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85% of liberals, yes. so do 81% of clinton voters, 77% of democrats and 65% of urban residents. on the other hand, only 38 of rural residents say they are comfortable with these changes. so do 33% of conservative, 30% of republicans and 38% of trump voters. let's get a bit more specific. more americans than not say they're okay with immigration, globalization and same sex marriage. 85% of clinton voters strength ens the u.s., while just 38% of trump voters agree. the same split could be seen on same sex marriage and on globalization. the one area that pushes against more progressive opinion is gun rights. just 23% of clinton voters say worry that government will go too far in regulating gun invites while 28% of trump voters say that way. two words for you, west virginia which is rural, conservative, increasingly republican. in 1996 bill clinton won by 15 points. just 20 years later donald trump
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here. facebook sold ads during the u.s. presidential election to a shadowy russian company seeking to target voters. rau a russian troll farm was connected to this company.
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facebook has put out their own report. that's not an insignificant amount of money. this is both most disturbing part of the coordination of reporting and probably the hardest to nail down. >> that's right. it's aspect of u.s. intelligence assessment that hasn't gotten a lot of focus but people believe is highly effective. it's not that expensive. there's an atmosphere that allow for this sort of tactic to thrive. it's something we haven't focused on so much but it's very significant. this someone social media platform. who knows how much, how far this goes and where else it goes. >> twitter is on it than facebook did here. the twitter bots clearly -- michael as a guy in charge of the party, in charge of
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messaging to think that the russians said, you know what. i know a way to fire things up. they came up with the most, i guess, what a liberal characterture of what a conservative position would be on same-sex marriage or other stuff. that has to be extra disturbing. >> it's very disturbing because you realize how many folks bought it and bought into it and how deep does it really go. you raise the point about other social media outlets out there. you start connecting those dots and you see not only how vast the web is that russia was playing with but how deep does it go and how much within the political structure itself did they plant themselves. it's not just the 2016 election. remember, the russians are playing a long ball game here. it's about the stabilization at the one end but also about controlling messaging. >> one of the most vicious attack e-mails i got turned out
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to be a bot e-mail. i know i'm not the only one that's receiving these. >> it started in mid-2015 when no one -- unrelated one would think to trump. the most important thing is what we don't know. disturbing that russians were involved. when they get involved on issues of substance, policy positions might be legal for them to do it though disturbing and facebook doesn't have to sell to them. when they start intervening on behalf of candidates, that's illegal. the real unknown here is how did they do their targeting and was there any coordination? we don't know. was there any koord naticoordin
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the trump campaign or anythibod else that would tell them where to target the ads. >> there's some benefit to your point to getting inside the respective parts dna. the communication shop. and to figure out what the problems are for the party. the dnc break in is significant because it's land mine of opportunity. >> this is fake news but they almost camouflage inside someone a republican or democrat might already be saying or putting out there. >> it's sort of like fake activism is a good way of putting it. we'll hit the pause button here. thank you very much. up next, a republican retirement that has democrats getting excited. i'll explain.
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retirement. big question now, are these simply one offs for a couple of veteran members of congress or the beginning of a trend where some republicans don't want to have to campaign in 2018 in this environment. paul ryan and kevin mccarthy are wondering that tonight. the beat with ari melber starts now. good evening. >> good evening. i'm from king county. i will tell you he's probably the most mpopular sheriff in th history of washington state. >> that's why republicans are shedding a tear tonight. he hay be the only republican that can hold the seat. >> he was a real crossover player. thank you, chuck. we have breaking news. tonight a new report that russian money made its way to facebook in the 2016 election. the social media giant is telling investigators this evening for the first time they took the money and ran the ads. the reporter who is breaking that story will join me on the

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