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>> i think it's two or three models ago and it's served me well and i'm going to stick with it. >> it's an ipod. >> make an iphone that doesn't break, okay, worry about that. stop charging so much. that does for us this morning. stephanie picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. i'm stephanie ruhle. we're in the dark or at least 5 million people are without power after irma and now it's the flooding that is threatening thousands in the u.s. >> i did not expect to see this at all. like, okay, flooding, okay. no big deal. but these were waves. i was like, is this the owiceanr a river? >> more republican retirements and talk of retirement. is the house up for grabs? is the senate safe for republicans? >> i'm worried about losing the house now because of doca. >> after that bombshell interview with steve bannon in which he declares war on the republican establishment. the so-called establishment
responds. >> i'm supposed to comment on what steve bannon believes? good night. >> and john mccain drops the mic. we have got to begin today with the aftermath of irma. now a post-tropical cyclone. as it slowly winds down over the southeastern u.s. i hate to say it's winding down. if you think about what's happening to those millions of people who are going to be dealing with the effects long after it's gone. at least 40 deaths have been linked to irma, 11 in the united states, puerto rico and the virgin islands. the white house says president trump is considering a trip to the virgin islands soon. it is still flooded in parts of south and more than 7 million people, 7 million, are waking up without electricity. we have a great team across the region here to break it down starting with msnbc's mariana or tenso flying over the keys. >> stephanie, good morning. we are flying over the florida
keys to give you an aerial view of the devastation that the monster hurricane caused in the florida keys. we know of an area that got a direct hit from a category 4 hurricane. seeing business, homes, boats completely shattered, almost to the ground. winds of up to 130 miles an hour. you have strong storm surge. waves up to 10 if not 15 feet in this area. an area that is considered one of the most beautiful areas in the country. now possibly facing a humanitarian crisis according to officials. we know 10,000 residents in the keys decided not to evacuate. those are people that are not all accounted for at the moment. 10,000 people. doesn't seem like a lot. if you take into account that the entire population of the keys is 80,000 people, we're talking roughly about almost 10% of the population in this area.
a situation where they have no water, no food, no cell service. as we try to hover around these area, we can't really go too far. it makes it incredibly challenging for the military to conduct these search and rescue missions. however, we do know that this county, they'll be opening up a hospital here to try to get those people that need help, try to get them help as soon as they can, bethany, back to you. >> 10% of the people in the keys stick around and people in the keys are describing the area as a war zoep. nbc's gaudy shorts. walk us through what it's like there. the fact so many people stayed. when we look at the image, it looks as though the streets are flooded. a lot of those streets aren't actually street, they're canals, there's supposed to be water there. can we get to the people who
have stayed behind? >> yeah, that's right, stephanie. first of all, we moved down from islamorada, we're now where the storm made landfall, this is basically ground zero for irma. i want to show you the power for some of this wind. over here is the actual ocean. it came in right here. you can see it ripped through these homes. they are still standing but they have been gutted. in fact, this, this is a washing machine that somehow came out of this house and basically blew across the street. there's another washing machine. there's a dryer over here. there's debris in these waterways. some neighbors we were talking to have been describing seeing things like ice boxes and sofas and beds floating down the canal there. they don't know where they came from, especially those ice boxes. they think they may have come in from a storm surge from possibly a mile away. this is the type of scene we're seeing again. concrete structure, they are standing, but they have been gutted out.
when the winds came in the home and blasted out the back side. but the good news is, a lot of people here say that these homes are still structurally sound. there's going to be a lot of cleaning up to do. now the concern is the people that stayed behind, as maur yawn that was just talking about. we've already come across probably dozens of people. we've seen thousands of people back here going through their stuff. and some of them are elderly. so there's one neighbor just went to go check on another neighbor that's a few streets over. they say it's an elderly couple. they have -- one has alzheimer's. the other one is a little bit -- handicapped. they're running them food because they can't get out of their homes. they've been trying to flag down police officers and emergency crews. but the scene out here is so chaotic that there are a lot of moving parts. so pretty soon we should see some of the reinforcements arrive to this area. right now, this is jolly roger road here in cudjoe so they're
hoping these reinforcements arrive to these areas. to get supplies to people like that that are possibly stuck in their homes. but you see over here, these are some of the homes -- this is a big difference. this home right there didn't batter down their windows. the wind got in there and basically blew it out. the other homes that took the precautions and put those hurricane storm -- the hurricane storm shutters up fared a lot better. again, concrete structures around here are still standing. other structures, there has been some devastation. but that's what we've seep so far. it seems as cudjoe, marathon and big pines key got the worst of it from what we've seen. key west looks like it's in pretty good shape. but that's the latest here on the ground. >> i haven't seen anyone but you really inside that close. beside the families you were just speaking about, when you walk around the street, do you see people, have you spoken to them? what did they experience? >> yeah, in fact, if we can just
come a little bit. we're tethered to a satellite truck because that's the only way we can communicate. that's one of the terrifying things right now, stephanie, is that this whole area is basically under blackout in terms of electricity, in terms of food, in terms of water. and so it's terrifying for people that have family in this area because they are assuming the worst. but this is basically what's going on. you can see some people loading up. we just talked to them a little while ago. this is the first time they're back at their home. they're okay. they say they're fine. they just have no way of communicating with the outside world. but they are going through they belonging, trying to see what they can salvage. so many times when we come across these people, they want us to get messages out to their loved ones to tell them they're okay. we're down on our sat phones now. we're trying to relay those messages as they come in. if you have family in this area, chances are they're okay, they just probably can't talk to you because there is no cell phone
service here, no electricity. it could be some days before that's restored to this area. >> but you have no reports from walking streets and speaking to the people in the neighborhood, you have no reports of injuries? >> not other than bump, scrapes and bruises from people going outside during the storm when they probably shouldn't have. some people actually went out to try to secure belongings when the worst of the hurp wricane w hitting. but nothing that is catastrophic. nothing that would injure somebody to the point where it's life and limb is in jeopardy. however, we have had a very difficult time communicating with the outside world so we're not exactly sure what the reports are. and, in fact, the emergency responders here are still setting up their comes coms so difficult. in the first day, they'd have trouble communicating with key west. they would actually ask us what
does key west look like? so we were relaying the messages. it's a fluid situation that hopefully will become a little bit better as the infrastructure now comes back into place. so far we have heard no major reports of injuries. >> are the roads open? when you say the family just behind you just got back to check on their house, where were they staying? >> i'm sorry, i lost you there for just a second. >> i'm asking you if the roads are open. you pointed to the family just behind you. you said they just got back to their home for the first time. where were they when the storm hit? were they staring in another area? were they able to drive back today? >> yeah, so this family stayed in big pines. big pines actually from what we understand was hit just as hard, if not harder, than this area. but they rode it out in a home -- a home that was secure. it was a concrete home. they knew somebody that was staying at that home. so at the point where the storm started to approach, they called
that person and said, can we come stay with you, we feel like it's more of a secure home. so they fell back to that area. they're starting to get through here. one of the things we've seen is there are lines down almost everywhere. it's very difficult to navigate through these roads. there are boats in the roads. a lot of the marinas, a lot of the waterways, the boated flooded out and have now landed in the road so it's difficult to navigate around them with cars. so some of these areas that have been inaccessible until now, people getting out with tow straps. but very dangerous because a lot of these lines are still down and it's unclear whether or not they're going to be re-energized as the electric company tries to restore power to this area. >> try to help those people while you have those satellite phones. call their families. >> absolutely. >> all right, let's turn now to nbc's morgan radford. she's live in jacksonville where we have seen record setting amounts of flooding. morgan, what's it like there this morning?
>> it sounds like we're in the second stage of that process. kind of that concurrent step following what gaudy just saw on the ground. i'm not sure if you can hear the coast guard choppers above me, but they're going by these low lying areas here. this is the st. on's river. just hours ago, this river, the storm surge already crested over and flooded the street here in sgroun town jacksonville. this is a lot of what we're seeing. this barrier was set up just 48 hours ago and now you can see it's knocked over and effectively doesn't exist. it's the storm surge that has rendered a lot of these streets in downtown jacksonville near limb possible. this is as millions of people in the state of florida are already waking up without power. about 150,000 people here in the city of jacksonville still don't have power. as we mentioned, those coast guard choppers, we've already seen 350 people have been rescued by coast guard just in this city alone. and it's the storm surge that's really been the number one issue. it's already wined out homes.
it's wiped out property, cars. it's wiped out entire residential neighborhoods. >> have you ever seen anything like this? >> no. not this bad. i mean, i've been through, you know, some hurricanes. born and raised in florida. this is something i have never seen the river like this. it was cresting through here. like we were out in the ocean. >> we just got word that it's, in fact, the governor that is touring above us in that chopper. he also was touring just yesterday. he said look, two-thirds of the state are currently without power. so it's the type of damage that people are coming back from. they also just decided to lift the mandatory curfew and the mandatory evacuations in a lot of these low lying areas. remember, stephanie, we were speaking together when we had started following the storm when it had just hit puerto rico. then we followed it to atlanta where they were preparing for shelters and evacuations. we moved to gamesville where we saw a woman who was stranded
inside of her home just outside of the city. here in jacksonville, people are finally beginning those steps. schools remain closed. businesses remain closed. about 200,000 people are waking up in shelters across the state of florida. stephanie. >> all right, i mean, those images are stunning. for anyone who said maybe the storm wasn't so bad? did you hear that? two-thirds of the population in the state of florida are without power. two days from now, the shortage of electricity, the shortage of fuel, it will continue to hurt this state. the recovery is going to be brutal. there's also a ton of flooding in coastal south carolina where many people just weren't anticipating this. nbc's rehema ellis. i spoke to a family in charleston who said they couldn't get out of their house. their cars were covered in water and they simply weren't prepared for this. looking down the street, they said it looked like it was the ocean. >> yeah, in fact, in some
places, the ocean had overtaken some streets. i'm standing here right now with one of the folks with the department of transportation for the city of charleston. he's got a shovel in hand. i want to show you this sheet. this is a sheet of all the roads closed that this one crew is working on trying to get the catch basins open so water will drain. you look where i am now, a lot of it's going down. david, a lot of work to do. you're on a 12 hour shift? and you've been busy all morning? >> yes, ma'am. >> i'm going to give this back to you and let you get busy again. i don't want him to get in trouble because we're stopping him from working. young man, would you take that for me? this is what they're doing all around here, trying to get the water to go down. you can see it has receded in large part here in this downtown section of charleston. but it was a road of rivers earlier. we've got some pictures to show you of what it was like here just yesterday. the only thing you could get down here from one person, it
was a kayak they had coming down. he was on a kayak instead because of what you're talking about, this water had come up so high. in many respects it was that storm surge. we're on a street that bordered with ashley river on one side. the copper river on the other. comes into the atlantic ocean. when those winds were high. when it was surging. that water came all the way over here. clean-up is under way. but they said at one point about 70 of the streets here in charleston were covered in water. so that also with the wind brought down some power lines. this morning, thousands of people in this area were waking up. they have no power. also, because of the storm, and the power lines being down, once again, they closed schools in the area. so the clean-up is under way. they think it will be another day of action like this kind of thing you see going on here. making certain that the city, to
get back into action in a normal kind of way, in a place that is accustomed to flooding. it can rain here in charleston and you will get some flooded streets. but never like what they had here over yesterday and in the pat couple of days when the impact of irma came raging into their city. stephanie. >> all right, thank you, raheem ma. let's go to bill karens. i can't get over how many people are without power and people in states not just florida that are still dealing with this aftermath and now maybe jose is coming. >> it was only a tropical storm in georgia and about 1.5 million people in georgia alone lost power. a tropical storm can knock down trees. so it's no longer what we consider a tropical system. right now it's post-tropical. the clouds and radar spread from eastern north carolina. if you go outside in oklahoma,
those are the clouds from irma. it's pretty crazy. but it's just rain. maybe a little concern for thunderstorms today and heavy rain in north carolina but that's really about it. as we take a look at the track of irma, it's going to go through northern alabama, then through portions of eastern -- excuse me, western tennessee. it's not really going to cause any problems with the winds. again, it's mostly does any area -- isolate flooding is going to be the concern with that storm. you want to know about the other one? because sometimes if you remember in '04, we had one after another. once the pattern sets up, you can get a whole bunch in a row. this is jose. it was strong. it was only cat 4. now it's down to a category 1. it's going to do a little loop deloop and hurricane center thinks it's back towards the united states. you look at the cone of uncertainty. that's too close to call. especially for areas eastern north carolina and south carolina. here's the little piece of good news. about five days from now, we're going to get a push of cool air
and a cold front coming a crossing the country. that should be able to knock the system from this point out to sea. so right now i think jose's going to be great for the surfers with the waves dangerous at the beach for the swimmers and everyone on the eastern seaboard is going to have a nice weekend and not worry about it. >> let's hope so. up next, new reports that white house lawyers are pushing for president trump's son-in-law jared kushner to resign as the russia investigation expands. is there any chance trump dumps his son-in-law or maybe a creative exit strategy? plus, steve bannon says he is going to war with the republican establishment. as more announce their retirement, could the democrats retake control of the house and senate? for your heart...
welcome back. i'm stephanie ruehl. turn up the volume for this one. new reports out overnight that some of president trump's lawyers wanted his son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner to step down from his senior role at the white house. "the wall street journal," you know the one owned by rupert murdoch and "the washington post" reveal that suggestions for kushner's resignation came as probes into the russian involvement in the 2016's elections broadened. the reports say the white house press shop even drafted a statement in the event of kushner's resignation. an official called the story, quote, completely false. i want to bring in jonathan
swan, national political reporter for axios. along with our guest, the former deputy manager for mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign. i don't know, maybe she's going to be working for mitt again. jonathan, you must be running least a mini victory lap today. weeks ago, you reported attempts by the legal team to get kushner out of the building. >> yes, it's accurate, "the wall street journal" report is accurate, but it is a very narrow story. it's mark cassowitz who is the president's outside counsel and the press team in particular who -- and jay seculo, by the way who developed a very poisonous relationship with jared kushner, the jared kushner legal team. i was told con temp rainiously
they wanted to purse t up a wal between the president and kushner and the advice to the president from kasowitz was he needed to stop talking about the russian investigation with jared kushner. the story from "the wall street journal" yesterday takes this even further. saying that they recommended -- that jared kushner no longer work inside the west wing and that the outside press shop is the way i read that story. it's mark curalo apparently drafted a statement apparently for him to leave. i think we need to make very clear my understanding is the suggestion that he would leave was never taken seriously or, to my knowledge, seriously discussed at the top levels of the white house. >> all right, katie, we have to remind people that jared kushner has denied any collusion whatsoever. but from senior advisers i speak to inside the white house when they describe jared, they said he is so dangerous because he doesn't know what he doesn't know.
what could be in store for him? i mean, he could be as clever as he wants to be. robert mueller and the dream team of lawyers they got around him, they know what they're doing. >> it's a reason it's not a good idea to have family members this close in. because there's not any perspective between the president and his son-in-law. he views his son-in-law as a family member, not somebody who can be a detriment to his presidency. he doesn't know what he doesn't know. what we all know in the political class is a representative of the russian government comes to you with information, you report that to the fbi. you don't take a meeting. that's not how this works. and it's very, very dangerous. he put the campaign in a precarious position. he put the president in a precarious position. all these roads seem to lead to russia. and if he were any other staff person, he would have been forced out by now. it's tough to do that with a family member. that's why it's dangerous to bring them in in the first place. >> all right, jonathan, it's tough to do that with a family
member. but president trump is surrounded by family members. when he was speaking about tax reform, he called ivanka up on stage and called her "baby," said, she said, "daddy, i really want to go on that trip with you." ty cobb, the president's lawyer, said kushner is just a victim of leaks by jealous people. is this just a kushner versus bannon thing going on? >> i mean, i don't know who the sources were for that story. to me the way i read that story, it was the outside legal team, who i know for a fact despised jared kushner at the time and wanted him out. thought he was dangerous to be around the president. obviously steve bannon and jared kushner have -- we all know about their feud. i don't think that's a secret to anyone. but as far as the family goes, this has been donald trump's passion his whole life. you look at his professional -- his career at trump organization. his brother was working for him at one point.
i think he actually fired his brother. so that suggests no one's quite safe. his former wife, ivana, ran one of his casinos in atlantic city. this is how he knows how to operate. he's basically run, you know, even though all of the grandier he surrounds himself with, in many way, the trump organization was a small family company and he's taken that attitude into the white house. >> i remember when she ran the casino, she famously said she was paid a dollar a year from her former husband donald trump. that one stuck with me. i want to talk about russia for a moment. i do hate relitigating anything from the election. steve, you are my election man. i want to play the sound from hillary clinton on cbs on sunday. >> 11 days before the election. >> 11 days before the election. it raised the specter that somehow the investigation was being reopened. it just stopped my momentum. now, remember this too, jane, at
the same time he does that, about a closed investigation, there's an open investigation into the trump campaign and their connections with russia. you never hear a word about it. >> does she have a point? >> i've been seeing her make this point for a few months now. it's ultimately unprovable. you'll never know. if you want to ask the question why did hillary clinton lose to donald trump, there's a million different answers. it's 70,000 votes across three states. more than one of them can be true. there can be multiple factors. i will tell you this, look, it's a compelling point. she says, look, she was leading in all these polls. there was a tightening down the homestretch. that tightening coincided with the sudden explosion of news about the investigation being reopened then two days before the election they say there's nothing here. that sounds compelling. on the other hand, i would have to say this. i did hear from the trump campaign during the campaign, their theory.
i discounted this theory when they told me this in august and september. they said at the end of this race, in the final ten day, the undecided voters, the ones who can't decide between clinton and trump, they're going to break for trump because they're against the establishment and there's never been a more pro-establishment, face of the establishment face than clint and never been a more anti-establishment blow up the system candidate than trump. you did see those voters who decided in the last day of the race break two to one. it is because they hated the establishment? is it because comey put clinton back in the news? is it because of both? is it because of other factors? it's unprovable. >> before we move on, i do have to ask you this, we hear from gop establishment when you mentioned steve bannon's name. steve bannon, he's out. chris christie who cares what steve bannon says, he doesn't have a job anymore, but people inside the white house told me as recent as this morning that the president continues to talk to steve bannon all the time, is that true? >> well, it's hard to prove if that's true or not. that's what you hear from
bannon's allies. obviously it's in their interest to keep him relevant in that sense. i know they've spoken at least once. they spoke the day after steve bannon left the white house. i don't know how much they've spoken since then. it stands to reason because donald trump is frankly surrounded by people now who in many ways are trying to restrain him on certain issues, particularly trade where he wanted to terminate the south korean trade deal and, you know, a group of people around him said, well, wait a second, have you thought about the national security implications, have you thought about, you know, the effect on the markets. bannon's the guy in the room saying yeah, yeah, do it, do it. and now he's no longer there. so it stands to reason at least in my understanding of the president that when he wants affirmation, that's why he still connects with people like corey lewandowski. corey lewandowski will never tell the president anything he does is wrong. corey is slavishly supportive of
the president. and trump seekings that out from time to time. >> indeed, he does. all right, we have to move forward. because i got to give you the morning primer. everything you need to know to start your day. we begin with north korea facing tougher international sanctions over its latest nuclear test. the united nations unanimously approved new sanctions on monday. restricting the north's oil imports and banning textile exports. an initial draft circulated by the u.s. was watered down to ensure support from china and russia. watered down. that's never what people want to hear. california now the latest of 20 states to sue the trump administration over the president's plan to end the dreamer's program. california is home to more than 200,000 undocumented people brought to the united states as young children. in the wake of hurricane irma, pope francis is criticizing climate change deniers. you hear that, scott pruitt? speaking to reporters as he flew over devastated areas in the caribbean, the pope warned history will judge the world
leaders who do not act. and another hurricane brewing in the atlantic. forecasters say jose. a category 2 hurricane cane. will do a loop in the atlantic over the next few days before heading north. let's hope it stays out there. and of course that will be terrible news for southern florida. that is still trying to get back on its feet. msnbc weather contributor sam champion in miami. i understand it's going to be 90 degrees. people inside the administration have said the president is thrilled with how he and the team have handled the storm. but what's it going to look like over the next few days? while a fuel shortage remains and it is unclear when these people are getting power back? >> yeah, hey, stephanie, yeah. everything you've just said going on right here. let me back up for a second with jose. i know a lot of people who are looking at that picture of a hurricane just off the east coast of the u.s. now cat 1 will be a little concerned about
that. but the national hurricane center has that storm making a loop up until the end of the week and most of the forecast models steer what's left of jose. because jose's drifting in a circle and weakening. it's getting impacted by a wind shear. one of the things that will tear apart a storm is wind shear. i want the east coast to stay with its eye on that storm but we feel pretty good about the forecast for jose. now, day two of that 90 degree tropical heat recovery in florida. this goes on today almost for the rest of the week. very humid conditions here. it all comes down to who has power. and when the power gets back on. now that we've seen where irma has gone and the remnants are now in the ohio valley, we now know this is one of the largest power outages caused by a natural disaster in american history. so we got more than 7 million people in the carolinas, georgia and florida without power and the big question is when does it come back on and who gets it first. so now we've looked at the damage area. we've talked to folks like f
p & l. they control most of the power in florida. they were up in the new york area looking at sandy and how quickly folks got their power back. most of it within 90% of a week. so f p & l came down here with some of those lessons. they put flood sensors in more than 200 substations. so that helps because if the water's getting into substations, they can protect those. now let's break it down into east coast and west coast. on east coast, we have a lot of lines down. they say and power people tell us you can get lines up pretty quickly so a lot of the east coast areas we feel good that power will get up faster than a lot of people are hearing because you're hearing that multiple week kind of estimate. so let's go west coast. because that's where this comes in real, real, real important to know. west coast areas that may have been inundated by water, by saltwater where the substations could have been flooded, those areas will take a little bit more time to get their power together. stephanie, i just wanted to show you one more thing before we go.
we're right here at a marina in coconut grove just south of florida. a lot of people coming ought here today to take pictures. a direct open marina. the atlantic straight out through biscayne bay. these yachts, small pleasure craft, all tossed up against the edge. this is just a sign of the kind of storm surge and wind this area was under just to show you another look because over the last couple of days we've been trying to give you a look at the damage across south florida. >> all right, thanks so much, sam. i want to go to nbc's gabe gutierrez at miami international airport where some people have been stuck for days. what's the situation? when you think about people coming and going, trying to get their lives back in order, trying to get back to business. when's that going to happen? >> hi, stephanie, good morning. yes, some of the people have been in miami international airport for days. those were the people that were stranded last week when marriage was barreling towards the u.s. many had to be evacuated to
emergency shelters. hundreds of them were bussed to those shelters when we were here on friday. a few of them, however, stayed at the airport over the last couple of days. airport officials had said and they stress that they were not a shelter. now the process begins of getting the air travel back up to normal here in south florida. now, as we understand it, flights were supposed to resume this afternoon here at mia. now looking at the board, there's already some flights that at least on that board say they're going to be taking off later this morning. there's one in dallas scheduled for in about an hour. and some international destinations. on a limited basis, we're expected to get back up and running later on this afternoon. ft. lauderdale's airport, stephanie, that's also open today. but irma's forced the cancellation of more than 14,000 flights. so it's going to take a long time. and this ripple effect to sort itself out. stephanie. >> we're going to take a quick
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what gives? >> yeah, well, it wasn't -- it was a very unusual partnership if you want to call it that to begin with. remember, he won new hampshire before a single republican member of congress even endorsed him. this was different than past campaigns where you load up the congressional republican endorsements early, then you get the nomination, then if you win it's sort of a party project. i think when you look at these retirement numbers, one thing to keep in mind, historically seven retirements at this point. it's actually a low number. republicans to date have actually been doing okay when it comes to retirements. the problem they have, is this the start of a trend, are we going to see an acceleration here? three in the last week suggest the other problem is not all retirements are made equal. you're seeing members here coming from districts that when they run it, the republicans can win because the incumbents do well in the districts. these are competitive districts in a lot of cases, in pennsylvania, in michigan, out in washington state, politically competitive districts that have opened up.
democrat, that target number in 2018, 24 seat, flip 24 seats, that's not a very high number historically, given the approval ratings trump has. >> katie, is it too early to call it a trend? i'm just thinking wouldn't republicans love to be in this position right now? but you know what a contentious relationship they've had with the president. mitt romney who you worked for had a rough relationship with him. and then not long ago they were dining on frogs legs together at john george. >> i think that's the point of a lot of these members of congress, to steve's point, they weren't on the trump team early. they grunlingly came on in the general election. they were sort of forced to defend reprehensible behavior. >> they weren't forced. >> they chose to. but they felt that in terms of rallying behind the nominee of party for the sake of party, they did that. and then they get things like what happened last week, where, you know, the president takes a deal. i mean, i don't know if you can actually call it a deal when somebody robs you blind. but they feel like he's turned
their back on him. so it's not interesting and empowering to be part of this majority. you have somebody like dave trott in my home state of michigan who's the republican caucus's dream candidate in a tough seat like that. he's a great candidate. he's well liked. he's got lots of personal american. he's saying i'm just not interested in this anymore. i don't think it's a trend yet. but i think to steve's point, you don't want it to become a trend or it becomes dangerous to hold on to a precarious majorities. >> president trump thinks that deal he made last week with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer was pure artistry. i want to play a little bit of what steve bannon said on "60 minutes." you can say all day long steve bannon doesn't matter, he's out, but listen to his words. >> they're going to be held accountable if they do not support the president of the united states. right now, there's no accountability. they have totally -- they do not support the president's program. it's an open seat on capitol hill. everybody knows it.
>> therefore now that you're out of the white house you're going to war with them? >> absolutely. >> you're going to war with your own party. is this not steve bannon's dream materializing? a self-described lennon university wist who said let's breck t ae's break t >> i don't know if one rubbeded off on the other, but i think one thing in the primary season they were right on, they read that the republican electorate, the republican base, does not like to put it very mildly the republican establishment and n washington, d.c. in fact, despises might be a more accurate term. that positioning of trump in the primaries last year of being in opposition to mcconnell, in opposition to ryan, in opposition to the washington establishment, probably his single most powerful tool in the republican primary, and i everything this he got in this position as president there where again he gets elected, republicans have all the majorities and ryan and mcconnell want to make this a big team. you can see think those same instincts that bannon had a year, two years ago, they're still there. we don't want to be on a team
with these guys. that gives away our political power. >> well, you should apologize to katie because you putting the image in my mind of steve bannon and donald trump rubbing off on one another is making me end this segment. all right. up next, steve mnuchin headed to the hill today to push tax reform. mnuchin speaking out this morning. please, you've got to see this extraordinary video. a small plane in the state of connecticut veered away from a nearby runway, crashing into a local business parking lot. the 79-year-old pilot was taken to the hospital. amazingly, he only had minor injuries. that man should buy a powerball ticket. haven't you ever wanted something more barry? watch your step. a pilot like you should be serving your country. you're c.i.a.? based on an incredible true story... we're sending you to columbia. of the c.i.a.'s biggest secret. i have helped build the biggest drug cartel this world has ever seen. tom cruise. all this is legal? if you're doin' it for the good guys. [ police sirens ] no mas. no mas. [ laughter ] [ gun shot ]
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a senior administration official tells nbc news their goal is to push lawmakers to move on tax legislation. in today's money power politics, i want to bring in cnbc contributor and chief economic correspondent for politico ben white. ben, you reported on this meeting on capitol hill today, what should we expect from it? a lot of people support the idea of it. >> details are a little harder. the purpose of this meeting is mnuchin and cohn going to meet with the senate budget committee because republicans want to do tax reform with 51 votes in the senate. they need reconciliation rules, that means they need a budget. so there's a big step to get from here to tax reform done in september. that means the house and senate have to clear a budget. that's not the easiest thing to do because as we know, republicans disagree about how to cut spending, about the budget, they are mad at trump for doing the debt limit deal, so the point of the meeting is to really get them started fast. because you have to get the budget done by september if you want to get a bill moving in october and somehow get it done
by december. this is like high-wire act to pull off by december. not easy. >> but how, again, we remain without details, right? even president trump's speech just a couple weeks ago, he says things like, this is good for you, the worker, not good for me. but for steve mnuchin to say we agree on the outline, i agreed with my husband to get married, it's the details of our life that toerture us. how on earth does steve mnuchin and gary cohn going to get this thing done? >> they are going to have to rely on paul ryan and the house ways and means committee and the senate finance committee to put the bow on this. >> one more time, they're going to rely on paul ryan, who the president, you know, kicked to the curb last week with nancy pelosi in the house. >> true. this is why i'm dubious they can get it done by the end of the year. details matter so much on this, obviously. everybody kind of likes the idea of the lower corporate rate, lower individual rates, but then
you get into the question of, what are you willing to trade for that so you don't blow up the deficit? mortgage reduction, state and local reduction, every one of these things has a powerful constituency behind it. if you can't get rid of all those and the corporate rate very low, it is tough. trump says publicly, this would be bad for me. but he does his taxes on the pass-through basis. >> and we have never seen them. >> so we can't know, but we are assuming that he's taxed on pass-through level, which is individuals who report business income on their taxes as pass-throughs. and they are talking about lowering that rate as well as the corporate rate to 15%. all the very rich people who do pass-through income could get a huge tax cut. >> there you have it. i want to ask you, steve bannon is trying to make the point, mitch mcconnell and paul ryan better get in line. who ultimately has the power here? because while mitch mcconnell is the most powerful guy in washington, president trump has been very successful with his base. when he continues to turn on gop
establishment, his base says, right on, just like they did last week when he struck a deal with pelosi and schumer. >> right. the republican is whoever trump says is a republican. if he suggests that ryan and rhirh rhinos are, they believe that. he will decide what tax reform bill hits the floor. trump can't completely alienate them and continue to beat on them and hope to get his agenda through. the good news for him is they are very invested in getting tax reform done. all republicans are, because if they don't get it done, they are 0 for 2 on the giant issues of health care and taxes and in bad shape for the midterms. >> take me to the cone of uncertainty, quickly. reports that gary cohn could be going to jpmorgan. i say no way jose. >> there are plenty of good people at jpmorgan like mary to take on the job. i talked to jpmorgan folks yesterday who said, this is a
fun parlor game, jaime is there for a while. we have good in-house people. and do they want to bring in a former goldman guy to run the bank? i don't know. >> before i go, i must ask you about equifax. some in the senate say there needs to be a hearing. for me, the fact that senior executives including the cfo managed to sell stock just before this became public, are you kidding me? what do you think? >> it's insane they sold stock beforehand after knowing of the breach. congress is going to look into that. they have said the company didn't know before they sold the stock. we'll see. but the fact of the matter, think about equifax with a giant bank but the stuff it holds is all our personal data and information, which is incredibly valuable in this information age. they couldn't protect it and are lightly regulated. cfb regulates them and the fdc, but they are not like the fed and anyone else. >> cfb, which cory lewandowski
has been lobbying to get rid of. >> they have to be regulated much harder than now because this is enormously hard data and they dumped it out. >> that affects every person out there. >> and it is as valuable as money. so why aren't they regulated like a bank? >> we talk about dodd-frank and the cpb rule. >> information is money, it's value and not regulated that way. it's a tremendous breach of public trust. >> there you have it. ben white, naupthank you. to the cfo of equifax, if you didn't know that before you sold the stock, why not? you're the cfo. coming up, hurricane irma is no longer a hurricane, but it is still causing issues. flooding streets from florida to south carolina, we'll have the latest reports, next. s easy. it's a long-distance run. and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for nearly 10 years. humira works inside the body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to symptoms.
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