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u.s. territory of guam. the latest launch confirms that north korea's closer than ever to building a viable nuclear arsenal. one that's capable of reaching the u.s. homeland. and from nuclear nightmare to confirmed terror attack, a man hunt is under way in london after a rush hour blast on a busy commuter train. 29 people were injured after an improvised explosive device detonated in a crowded passenger car. shortly after the attack, president trump took to twitter. he blasted, quote, loser terrorists. tweeted, these are sick and demented people who are in the sights of scotland yard and plugged his own travel ban. british prime minister may was quick to criticize that response. we have so much news to cover today so i want to debrief with the reporters covering everything angle of these stories. nbc's hans nichols at the pentagon and also joining me is nbc's chief white house correspondent hallie jackson.
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i want to start with you since i know the briefing just wrapped up there and you were throwing questions to all of those officials. sum up what you learned over the last hour. >> reporter: so, quite a bit, i think. it was a newsy briefing with h.r. mcmaster and nikki hallie here and let's run through the top headlines. number one, on north korea, nikki haley addressed the dominant issue heading into the united nations general assembly next week talking about how she believes that the sanctions that have been put in place already in fact are a big step and just the beginning despite president trump's comments that secretary of state tillerson agreed with apparently of a small step and she said something i think was interesting raising eyebrows and said i'm happy to kick it over to secretary mattis if diplomatic options are not working and heard the follow-up of i believe "the washington post" reporter saying do americans need to be prepared for military action with north
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korea and the possibility of war. the note, both officials talked about how both haley and mcmaster talked about the importance of giving it sometime to let the impact of the sanctions sink in. you are hearing a lot of foreign policy over the next week given the schedule laid out by general mcmaster for president trump. each day meetings with foreign leaders at the united nations general assembly in his speech the first speech he will be giving them he is going to be hugging some people and slapping some people according to nikki haley, verbally, of course. and other than that, didn't reveal much about which nations he can talk about. we can assume iran, venezuela, north korea and others but we won't know. it's written. other headlines, scotland yard tweet raising eyebrows. h.r. mcmaster said the president was not referring to the specific incident in that tweet when he said that this individual or individuals were in the sights of scotland yard but referring broadly to terror
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incidents and terrorism. this did come up in that phone call with prime minister may that happened -- looking at the watch, a couple of hours ago between the president and the prime minister. the readout officially from the white house was that both pledged -- the president pledged close cooperation after the terror incident and then the other i think issue that came up was this espn sports caster commentator who called president trump in a tweet essentially a white supremacist. sarah huckabee sanders said that should be a fireable offense and there's follow-up on that in particular regarding whether that's appropriate because the president himself tweeted that this was an issue. and so, there's some back and forth with the press secretary about why the president tweeted that. what she meant by that. she sort of said, well, i was talking about a private individual and not a company and you heard that exchange there. so, monologue over. a lot of headlines out of the briefing today and more to come
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next week. >> thanks. if you could stick around for a second, i want to ask hans, she mentioned secretary mattis and the -- them saying essentially, hey, diplomacy might be over here and time to turn this north korea crisis over to d.o.d. when's the view of the pentagon? >> the view of pentagon is diplomacy is preferred course of action. you know, a lot of ways i think the most important thing we heard in the briefing is what we didn't hear and we did not hear any sort of announcement, any sort of telegraphing that the u.s. is going to press for additional sanctions on north korea. and that we heard from nikki haley and heard from general mcmaster almost contradicts what we heard from secretary tillerson overnight which was that the sanctions that were passed and implemented on monday, this 30% reduction in fuel was the floor, not the ceiling. i heard from nikki haley there a lot of floor talk. i did not hear any aspirational, any goals, any indications that they're pushing for additional
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sanctions. as they said, it several points, they want to see how these sanctions continue to work. now, just real briefly on sort of the hinting and the glib responses of kicking the can down the road to mattis. a lot of ways, the posture hasn't changed. diplomacy first. if that doesn't work, they have military options. there's a slight change in tone and tenor there and the policy remains the same. that's diplomacy first and we always have options. guys? >> yeah. i noticed that mcmaster was asked what went on in that call that the president had with theresa may. he said i wasn't on the call. is it unusual for a national security adviser to not be in on something like that and tell us anything about the relationship that's currently going on between the president and his national security adviser? >> reporter: always a tendency to want to read tea leaves and i think that was unusual given that the national security adviser might be in on the phone calls and discussions.
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i need to go do more reporting on why that was the case. i don't know what the general's schedule was today so we'll follow up with you. >> any indication to hear more from the president? >> well, yeah. >> normally retracts the remarks on twitter making them. >> here's the thing. i don't know regarding the scotland yard issue with the prime minister particularly because if they discussed it there might be a sense inside the west wing, hey, let it lie and move on and hearing from the president checking my watch in about an hour and ten minutes or so when he is over at joint base andrews for the -- as hans is well aware, the air force's 70th anniversary celebration. an air show and he will be there with members of the air force and i would not be surprised to hear from him regarding the threat of north korea. seems like an appropriate or natural setting for him to bring it up and watching for that later on in the afternoon. >> hallie jackson at white house
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and hans nichols at the pentagon, thank you for your time today. joining me now is republican congressman kissinger from illinois. he served in the air force in both iraq and afghanistan and is still a pilot in the air national guard. great to see you. thank you for taking time today. >> you, too. you bet. >> do you think that the launch of north korea was a direct response to the sanctions leveled against north korea on monday? >> it's hard to tell without actually asking kim jong-un. we expected launches any way prior to the u.n. sanctions and i think what's obvious here is he's going to continue to play a very dangerous game and that game is not just developing an operable nuclear fleet and something that's important to note, obviously, but willing to flex muscle and frankly fly a missl over an ally of the united states. what would happen had that missile failed mid flight and landed in japanese territory? what happens if he shoots a
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missile toward guam? this is a very dangerous, intense situation and dangerous intense man and so i think these u.n. sanctions are good. it's a good start. or i guess a good escalation. but at the end of the day, we have to pray and hope and do everything we can to make sure this economic stick works. otherwise, i fear the only option is the military. >> congressman, what is your level of confidence in the president's ability to handle the tension in this situation? i have talked to a lot of colleagues and to leadership aides and even among republicans there's been a lot of nervousness about the bellicose language, tweeting and seems there's a sense that the u.s. government as a whole led by president trump has gotten a little bit calmer and more capable. do you agree with that, or do you still have concerns about the president's willingness to kind of fire off tweets at will when it comes to this kind of a potential nuclear crisis? >> well, when it comes to
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typically on international policy and twitter, i'm not a huge fan but that said we've tried this idea of walk softly, carry a big stick for 20 years coming to north korea. and if speaking softly doesn't work, ultimately, the answer is a stick. esque lating the rhetoric to make it clear there's a military option, military options and many cases using language to make that clear is what makes diplomacy effective against an adversary. there are two instruments of power working in conjunction with each other so i don't have a problem, frankly, with some of the president's rhetoric on this because i think he's making clear to kim jong-un and china and russia this is serious and we are taking this seriously and last thing we want to do and willing to defend our people and homeland is to use the military option. >> so speaking of of twitter, i do want to ask you about the terror incident in london happening earlier today. the president's tweet this morning, he said these are sick and demented people in the sites
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of scotland yard and set off anger of british officials, including the prime minister may. she said it wasn't helpful. take a look and then we'll talk about it. >> prime minister, donald trump has intervened to say it was carried out by people who scotland yard had in its sights. does he know something we don't? >> i don't think it's helpful to speculate on an ongoing investigation. as i have just said, the police and security services are working to discover the full circumstances of this cowardly attack and to identify all those responsible. >> and in the white house briefing, they just tried to clean this up a little bit when they were asked if the president should have done something differently here. do you think that he should have approached this this way? >> no. it's what i was referring to when i said the twitter issue. i think that's the perfect time to tweet that, you know, the thoughts and prayers and resources of the united states
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of america stand with the people of the uk. i think to cast blame early on is absolutely the wrong way to go. but that said, calling them losers and, you know, sick individuals, these isis members or terrorists, i fully agree with that and what's important now is the western world, uk, united states and frankly all freedom-loving people to make it clear it won't stand and liberating terror of isis, you run counter the narrative of a prophesied caliphate because that's not supposed to be defeated in combat and they are right now. i think he is missing an opportunity to make it clear that we all stand together with our friends. we are making progress against the terrorist groups and frankly this is a fight of our generation and last probably as long as i'm alive to some level and it's unfortunate but it's a reality i think we have to accept. >> republican congressman of illinois, thank you for taking the time today, sir. >> any time. you bet. let's turn now to london where the terror threat level raised to severe after the attack we have been talking about all day.
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a bucket bomb detonated on an underground train. the device exploded 8:28 local time on a crowded commuter line. 29 people were injured but none of the injuries are life threatening. authorities calling the explosion a terrorist incident. after first tweeting about the attack, president trump said this earlier today at the white house. >> no, it's a terrible thing. it just keeps going and going. and we have to be very smart. we have to be very, very tough which perhaps we're not nearly tough enough but that is just an absolutely terrible thing. in fact, i'm going to call the prime minister right now. >> nbc news's keir simmons joins me now from london. what is the latest in this investigation? >> reporter: well, i think tonight here as night closes in, we are beginning to get a picture that there are quite a
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number of people who very likely might not be with their family this evening if this crude bomb as it now appears had fully detonated. our security analyst duncan garden, his sources telling him that the detonator went off in this improvised explosive device but the main charge did not. and that had it gone off what you'd seen on that subway car would have been far worse. he's also getting suggestions that it was on a timer rather than it was remotely detonated and that is somewhat different to the kind of attacks we have seen in europe in recent years where quite often it's suicide attacks. does that give the police some kind of an insight into who this was? somebody that doesn't want to kill themselves trying to kill others. perhaps so. certainly they're searching through the subway which is just along the street here now and searching through the security
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footage on the subway and on the subway car. that security footage on the london subway now is much better than it's been in the past so they should be able to go back and find where whoever it is walked on to the car with this improvised device and from there begin to try to identify who he is. as of now tonight here in london they do not have anyone under arrest. >> can i ask you about the prime minister's comments? theresa may known to be critical? >> reporter: well, she is known for being pretty tough. icy you might say. i mean, it was quite understated the response to the question. diplomatic. but i think that's what counts in -- you know, in british culture if you like as a rebuke to the president. we don't know if she was more forthright by telephone but the
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british have been pretty clear with the u.s. about their unhappiness of u.s. intervention of an investigation going on like this. i would just say this and i think it reflects and spoken to people in scotland yard and not just a question of i guess feeling insulted. i think it's also to do with that -- as i mentioned, right now, there is somebody out there who carried this out. we don't know who that is. we don't know how much pressure they're under and for the president to suggest scotland yard could know it could affect the hours that play out and important to keep in mind. >> nbc's keir simmons in london, thanks so much. some of the president's biggest backers are saying so long. even ann coulter whose book is titled "in trump we trust." she tweeted today calling the president a sellout. if he keeps working with democrats on daca. and if he gives up the wall, will the base jump ship?
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i think you could see the emergence of a primary candidate from the right challenging donald trump. >> i think something's going to have to be reversed here with this president's policy or it'll just blow up his base. i mean, this was a straight-up promise all the way through his campaign. >> he will get creamed on this. if this goes down the way i fear it will go down, mark my words. this will be an electoral nightmare for republicans.
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>> iowa congressman steve king, laura ing gra ham and all reacting to policies that president trump and congressional democratic leaders have reached a deal on daca while it only looks like they agreed on the outlines of a potential legislation that's not stopped some of the president's most ardent supporters of turning against him and a few gone so far to post pictures on twitter of burning make america great again hats. yikes. that's an image. joining us here, timothy o'brien, editor of bloomberg view and author of "the trump nation." and from washington, "the washington post" political reporter amber phillips. thank you so much for being here. tim, i want to start with you. first, do you think that this is going to become an existential problem for the president, the pictures of the hats burning is a switch from the campaign. >> well' know at the midterms. right? what i think he's done now is
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sown the seeds for real problems with his base because he's flip flopped on some landmark issues that he put front and center in the campaign. namely, the wall and immigration. and he's done it not only by reversing his positions but by getting into a nice complex dance with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. and embarrassed the republican party leadership in the process. so i do think there's a potential of long-term damage of this. the problem is trump can reverse course within minutes or hours on issues. and if he starts to see some damage here you could see him backtrack. >> the details are a question here, right? a path to citizenship, that's potentially much more damaging with this base. you wrote in the piece, trump has never sweated details in his business life. he's never been intellectually sophisticated, hasn't been a student of public policy so i would wager the president doesn't know the difference between the daca and d.r.e.a.m.
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act and possibly he got an earful from immigration hard liners on his flight down from florida. it's a path, a long one, to citizenship. >> daca does not. i think trump was under the impression dining with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer talking about legalizing daca which doesn't include a path to citizenship and pelosi and schumer went out in public saying we have a great deal. people who are now under daca will find a path to citizenship. i think trump said he supported this, got on the plane to florida and i imagine on air force one he got an earful from people who are hard line conservatives on immigration. gets off the plane and he changes course yet again and so i think all of this is up in the air and i think it's a mistake probably to talk about deal making when you're talking about donald trump. i think it's more of a pinball machine. >> let's talk about the traditional, amber, republican allies of the presidents on capitol hill. they were not even invited to dinner in this particular case. >> no. >> what's your sense from your
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reporting on the latest -- there's hard feelings, right? >> yeah. there's absolutely some hurt feelings. i'll point to senate judiciary chairman chuck grassley like, hey, mr. president, you could have told me you would have this conversation. we're working on legislation here in my committee. mitch mcconnell issued a very similar statement and toned down. what he essentially said was, okay, if you're going to take the lead on immigration, not a bad thing. right? republicans felt like president trump wasn't there for them on health care. go ahead. take the lead on immigration and clue us in. and including us in you're going to avoid this kind of messaging trap that republicans on capitol hill feel president trump ran smack into. i mean, hours after the meeting, the narrative was that democrats had struck a deal with the president without some of his key campaign promises. that was -- they kept -- republicans on capitol hill feel like president trump really got schooled there.
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so the message that they're trying to send to him is, fine, take the lead on immigration but clue us in. we can help you not mess this up. >> an it's not really clear right now if the president really thinks that highly of his traditional allies on capitol hill. chuck schumer on the other hand thinks things are going pretty well. he was caught yesterday on the senate floor on a hot mike. we'll take a look at that and then chat about it. >> he likes us. he likes me anyway. look. what he said is exactly accurate. here's what i told him. i said, mr. president, you're much better off if you side right and side left. one direction, you're boxed. always going to work out and make us more productive, too. >> so, amber, my question to you is, how much danger is there for chuck schumer and the president liking him too much? does he end up with backlash from the democratic left? >> we'll see. depends what happens. right? out of that relationship of him
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and president trump who we pointed out are new york guys, they kind of get along together. mitch mcconnell is different in permit from trump and schumer. we'll see what comes out of that. if chuck schumer and nancy pelosi can go out and campaign next summer and say, look, we secured a path to citizenship for d.r.e.a.m.ers, there's not a dime in the fiscal budget for trump's border wall, look how awesome this is, trump came to us and the narrative they're kind of pedaling to reporters on capitol hill, i think that they could get away with a base that you're absolutely right. thinks trump is toxic and not talked to in any way and depends on what they get out of that and they're close on something or they think they are. >> author and executive author timothy o'brien and reporter amber phillips, thank you both so much. and a reminder that we will hear from president trump this afternoon. he's expected to arrive at joint base andrews in just a couple of minutes and he'll speak in the
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welcome back. i'm kasie hunt with a look at today's trump free headlines at the half. we start in st. louis where demonstrators gathered today angry over a judge's decision to acquit an officer who shot and killed a black man. st. louis officer jason stockily charged with first-degree murder for killing anthony lamar smith in 2011 in a traffic stop and accused of planting a gun in smith's car after shooting smith and the cop's dna was found on
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the weapon. but the judge says he wasn't convinced. harvard university says it's reversed the decision to name chelsea manning as a visiting fellow coming a day after cia director scrapped the decision to speak there because of the convicted soldier. manning hit back saying this is what a military police intel state looks like. the cia determines what is said and not taught at harvard. tropical storm jose is still churning in the atlantic. and as nbc's bill karins said today, the jose trend is not our friend. models suggest jose could restrengthen to a hurricane as it moves up the atlantic. and parts of the east coast are within that cone of uncertainty, including us here in new york. and even if it remains offshore, storm surge and flooding could still pose a problem along the tlaktd coastline.
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nine days now since hurricane irma first tore through the caribbean islands. the damage is so extensive on the island of bahbudo that all 1,800 residents were evacuated. first time in 300 years not a soul living there. meantime, evacuations across parts of the u.s. virgin islands still under way. there are thousands of refugees that have landed in puerto rico after their homes were decimated by the storm. and the virgin islands are now practically unrecognizable from space. nasa's images show just how green the islands were and there you can see now they're buried in brown under debris, uprooted trees. new york governor cuomo on the ground there today with an assessment team to help with the recovery efforts and also there is msnbc's stephanie rule. she is in st. john and she talked to my colleague ali vel s velshi about the hardships of
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the residents are facing. >> reporter: this part of the world needs is to be reconnected with our portion of the world. they need information and they need resources. just as we're about to leave, i ran in to the congresswoman saying to me she had calls with speaker ryan and speaker pelosi and a concern is fair share when the relief comes in for harvey and irma and they need it. near term what i do do they need? resources, tarps, food, water. long term, it is so different from here than the continental united states. the fact that across the virgin islands there's practically no wi-fi connections. practically no cell phone connection. it's essential to make that happen. you know, when we were with digitell they were telling us the biggest change for economic impact improvement in far reaches of the world is getting that connectivity and they need it. the biggest concern and worry
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walking away is hotel industry. a hotel has its own water, has its own power system but still they don't think they'll be open for a year. we talked about this after harvey. if you're an hourly worker, working in a restaurant, working in a hotel, if that restaurant isn't open, if that hotel isn't, you won't have work. other people i have spoken to are working feverishly to get the kids off the island indefinitely because they don't think schools will reopen. >> that was msnbc's stephanie rule reporting from the u.s. virgin islands. and we also want to show these are live pictures of the president arriving at joint base andrews where he is going to participate in a demonstration before heading to bedminister for the weekend. but she's made her rounds this week. deta detailing her new book of what happened in 2016. what's next for hillary clinton?
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trump. but we do want to show you a little bit of rachel maddow's interview last night with hillary clinton about her new book "what happened." clinton's return to the limelight has come through the launching of her new tell-ale book, a reflection own her presidential campaign loss to now president trump. after a week of interviews, it seems at least one thing is clear. while she does say she won't be running for office again, hillary clinton is not done with public life. >> i think this president and some of the people around him pose a clear and present danger to our country. i believe that trump admires authoritarians. he doesn't just like putin. he wants to be like putin. a president who wanted to be a president of all of the country
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would be investigating what the russians did to us. they were sowing discord in the election with phony groups with facebook. they were running anti-immigrant, anti-me, anti-hillary clinton demonstrations. here's my big concern. diplomacy with north korea is complicated. it requires people who know the language, the customs, the history. get over the twitter stuff and get on to the dip lo mattic negotiations. >> well. joining me now political analyst alease your dan, also a former adviser to senator rand paul's campaign and jess mcintosh, a former clinton campaign adviser. ladies, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> to talk about something i know, jess, we talked about this a lot over the course of the last two years. what did you see there in that interview and the others that the secretary has done that's different from what we saw in
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the campaign trail? >> it was so lovely just after, like, the 220-something days of the donald trump to watch somebody answer foreign and domestic policy questions who thought about it, who had some experience putting behind why she said the things she said. they were maybe measured, diplomatic words that meant something to those hearing and squint and say maybe on earth 2 we have a president that actually knows and cares to know about matters of great concern to our country. so that was my reaction to watching last night but i'm thrilled to have her particular point. like, there's literally no one's point of view on what happened that i want more than hillary clinton's so anybody i think who had a negative reaction to the fact that she wanted to tell her story just needs to sit down and millions of americans want to hear what she has to say about what happened. >> at the same time, though, she does spend time in the book looking at outside forces
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instead of introspectively looking at what she did. >> i think that's par for the course going through and deciding what went wrong on your presidential campaign. and that's something she's always received a lot of criticism for that she pushes away blame and she doesn't take accountability herself and, you know, i was someone starting to read the book i was pretty pre-conditioned to not like it. and to expect that -- i'm being really honest. i expected it was just going to be a lot of blaming everyone else. actually, i found it to be incredibly real and honest and the sections on women and politics i found it to be extraordinarily moving and important. >> yeah. you know, to that point, i think she talked a little bit with rachel maddow about that and i think we have the sound bite if we're ready to take a look at it. >> just being a woman at that high level of politics is still so unusual. >> yeah. >> and people are sorting it
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out. there's that thing, oh, well i would have voted for another woman but not that woman. because we never had a woman president, the barrier is so high, that glass ceiling is so hard. >> pretty honest. i never seen her talk -- use mocking language, kind of be so up front of this. barely talked about it like that in the campaign. >> part of the problem of being the first woman to do this is there's no playbook for how a woman does this successfully. we can't say, well, other women were able to show more humanity and win the presidency or other women kept it really buttoned up and won the presidency that way. we don't know because no one's done it. i think the bar is so high for that office as she said. we saw sexism at every level. in the media, in voters, in the way that she was treated, in way that the supporter wrs treated. expressing surprise that she was continuing to speak in public or
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unhappiness that she was continuing to speak in public. all throughout the campaign we were told if we said enthuz astic supporters, we weren't really wild about her despite the fact that's what people were saying over and over again. >> i thought that rachel asked a question that i really did want to hear from hillary clinton on did she think that 2016 was a more sexist campaign season? than 2008. and hillary clinton said, of course it was. and that's just empirical truth. there is donald trump in the race who donald trump i would argue which hillary clinton makes this case in her book and i agree with her isn't necessarily a sexist. he's a misonly nis and proves that time and time again in the behavior. >> other thing of a difference of 2016 and 2008 is that 2016 was not just a sexist reaction to having a woman nominee.
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it was the backlash to having eight years of a black president and that's why we saw that intersection of vitriol reach the level in 2016 and that backlash created something like donald trump being able to raise the way he did. >> sure, although, i mean, one thing that caught my eye this morninging was reporting of ashley parker and "the new york times" where nancy pelosi had to interject saying, hey, do women get to talk in this administration? only woman at the table. just seems -- >> i can't say that i doubt that account one bit based on this white house. you look at all the appointments that have been made and certainly there are a few women here and there but the majority of cabinet appointees, you look at the new u.s. attorneys he appoints, overwhelmingly a male dominated administration as one would expect from donald trump. >> yeah. we have to leave it there. thank you so much for taking time to be with us. alese jordan and jess mcintosh.
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we want to return to some breaking news that we talked about a little bit in the streets of st. louis, missouri, after a judge declared that a former police officer is not guilty in the shooting and killing of a black man. st. louis police are tweeting their officers are currently being hit with water bottles at the scene and demonstrators are being ordered to disburse. officer jason stockily charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of anthony scott following a police chase back in 2011. stockily shot smith five times. the officer said he saw smith holding a gun and felt his life was in danger. prosecutors said stockily pla planted a gun some smith's car before he shot him.
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they did not prove stockily did not act in self-defense. we'll keep an eye on this and keep you posted on developments as they happen. now back to politics. the fight to find out who met with president trump at his mar-a-lago home in florida? that fight is far from over. we know the president met with the leaders of japan and china at that palm beach estate, but ethics groups want to know who else has met with him during the 25 days there since taking office. almost a month. in july, ordered to turn over visitor logs to the watch dog groups, for responsibility and ethics in washington. and the group says it only received 22 names, and all of them were from the delegation that accompanied japan's prime minister to the estate in february. they say they'll continue to fight the issue in court. joining us now to talk about that fight is executive director noah bookbinder. thank you so much for taking time to walk through this with us today. >> good to be here.
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>> so walk me through -- you guys had, there was a lot of anticipation built up to this. you agreed to a week delay, and now we only get names that are, you know, reasonably expected to have been on logs, but nothing else. what happens next here? >> well, right now our lawyers and the lawyers for our partners in this case, the national security archive and the institute are thinking about the appropriate next legal action, bust i can assure you we are going into court saying this was a totally inadequate response and asking the judge to order the government in one form or another to provide those logs that we believe they were going to provide and that the american people have a right to. >> and what was their justification foreign not releasing more than these 22 names? >> they haven't said a lot. they said -- we sued under a law called the freedom of information act allowing the
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public to get documents and find out what our government is doing. the freedom of information act doesn't apply to the president, but it does apply to other parts of government, like the secret service which is part of the department of homeland security. they have said that all of the other records are -- are not governed by the freedom of information act. they didn't say that previously. you know, when they asked for more than a month to produce these records and then asked for an extra week extension. it's outrageous that they were ordered to produce these. they said they were going to. took a whole bunch of time and come in with basically one page with a handful of names mostly public. strikes us as completely outrageous. >> and white house visitor logs are often subject to release. right? >> right. this not our first time in this, on this issue. we have sued the bush administration and then the obama administration and ultimately worked out a
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settlement with the obama administration where they agreed to produce visitor logs. did it for seven years. they produced millions of names. it gave the people, the media, a lot of information about who was getting access to the president and his aides. who was having the opportunity to influence the president. it's really useful information. it's been done before without a problem. it ought to be happening now. >> and really remarkable, considering that the president now has the winter white house down at mar-a-lago and his estate in bedminster, where he's headed for the weekend. thank you for taking time to be with us today. >> thank you very much. we have one more thing for you. after the break, how a young man's grass roots effort paid off today at the white house. and here is a live look at joint base andrews where first lady melania trump just walked in to meet with first and second graders at the youth center there. and a reminder that we are going to hear from the president at joint base andrews next hour and
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could be seen outside the oval office cutting what might be the most famous lawn in the world. here's the story. a big fan of the president and wrote in to let trump knows he's a businessman, too. he has his own lawn care operation. the president saw the story and invited frank to cut the grass outside the west wing. then this happened. [ laughter ] >> this young man called it the best day of his life. not even the commander in chief was enough, though, to divert his attention from doing a good job mowing that lawn. you can see there. he eventually stopped to shake the president's hand, and give him a high five. now, that is dedication to the task at hand. when you talk to frank a little later, the president reminded all of us that --
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frank is what america is all about. taking an idea and running with it. never knowing where it might lead you. you might flop, but that's okay. you could end up -- outside the rose garden with the president of the united states. like frank proved this morning and how trump argue bloably pron 2016, you never know how you might get to 1700 pennsylvania avenue. wraps it up for me. katy tur son her book tour. >> my wife says an 11-year-old kid can do the lawn better than you can. thanks, frank. >> there you go. he might, you know -- doing a great job. >> you got a long day. i tweeted a picture of you and me many, many hours ago. great to see you. be in the same place. have a great rest of your day. good afternoon. i'm ali velshi. terror across the atlantic. heard from two most powerful people when it comes


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