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about. taking an idea and running with it. never knowing where it might lead you. you might flop, but that's okay. you could end up -- outside the rose garden with the president of the united states. like frank proved this morning and how trump argue bloably pron 2016, you never know how you might get to 1700 pennsylvania avenue. wraps it up for me. katy tur son her book tour. >> my wife says an 11-year-old kid can do the lawn better than you can. thanks, frank. >> there you go. he might, you know -- doing a great job. >> you got a long day. i tweeted a picture of you and me many, many hours ago. great to see you. be in the same place. have a great rest of your day. good afternoon. i'm ali velshi. terror across the atlantic. heard from two most powerful people when it comes to foreign policy and a lot is on their
plates. starters, north korea fired a ballistic missile flew from japanese air space and it flew far. and despite increasing sanctions. u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley didn't take military options off the table. in fact, warned about them and said to let sanctions take their course. >> you have to look at how much has been cut off. already started to feel it, but they're getting ready to feel 90% of their exports going away. 30% of their oil. imagine what that would do to the united states if that was there? if you look at what -- i was looking at what north korea was saying. a full-scale economic blockade suffocating its state and people. this is dramatic. >> dramatic and that's north korea. look over here across the atlantic ocean. authorities in london are investigating an explosion aboard a subway train.
they're calling it a terrorist incident but as they work to treat the wounded and find the person or people responsible, british prime minister theresa may forced to take time to respond to something that president trump tweeted. let's get started at the white house. hallie jackson standing by for us. give us a full rundown of an interesting press conference in that we had nikki haley there and h.r. mcmaster. big heavy hitters on foreign policy add what is normally the regular white house press briefing? >> reporter: plenty of foreign policy issues to talk about here, ali. start with north korea. that took up a lot of the focus for both general mcmaster and ambassador haley. you heard notable comments from both. nikki haley begging for folks to let sanctions run their course. you might remember president trump called these sanctions the u.n. security council voted on last week a small step, and seemed to intimate that the
secretary of state agreed with him on that. nikki haley said, hey, call it a small step a big step, it's just a start and a small sthaep could lead to a big step. i'm paraphrasing. eventually, north korea will feel this, touting what has been done on the united states side. that said, both she and general mcmaster added diplomacy can only take the united states so far. at some point we'll kick 2 it or to the secretary of defense. >> we've kicked the can down the road and are out of road. so for those who have said and have been commenting about the lack of a military option. there is a military option. now, it's not what we prefer to do. so what we have to do is call on all nations. call on everyone to do everything we can to address this global problem short of war. >> reporter: so h.r. mcmaster, national security advisers there as we come to you from the
construction zone of the north lawneer, ali. i know this is the verd television program hosted today. interesting, watching the story develop from 9:00 this morning to where we are now and leading into the early afternoon with these advisers coming out. yes, there to preview the united nations general assembly that begins next week pap ton of policy talk there. the president has already written his speech he'll give to the general assembly and the questions they got focused not entirely on that. not just what's happening in north korea, also overseas in london after what police describe as that terror incident. >> we'll follow both of those. united nations general assembly, not the most exciting thing happening next week, though. you know what is, hallie? you'll be in new york i. get to see you every single day. >> looking forward to it, my friend. >> reporter: thank you. >> and talk about north korea. this latest missile test is the 19th one this year.
this one fired as they often are from an airport just north of pyongyang. flying over the northern japanese island of hokkaido, all the way over japanese air space. that amount of travel took two minutes. and this is the second time in less than three weeks this happened. it landed way out here. this is important. because it traveled the farthest distance of any missile launched by north korea so far. it was 2,300 miles before falling into the pacific. that is relevant for a particular reason. because this distance, 2,300 miles, puts the u.s. territory of guam, which is only 2,131 miles from pyongyang, well within range. you see the distance to guam versus the distance to where this went. it's not clear once you put a head on that missile it would actual dlo that, but pyongyang threatened to fire missiles towards guam. all of this kims after the united states security council unanimously approved new
sanctions on north korea on monday. that was in response to the last test, which north korea suspected hydrogen bomb test on september 3rd. it's one thing to analyze distances and trajectories on a board here. it's another thing entirely to be there in japan, or in south korea, listening with this day to day. matt bradley is in tokyo, hans nichols, keeping track of things at the pentagon. let me before i get to matt, start with hans. hans, just give us some relevance about this distance and the payload and the missile. the fact that this thing went 2,300 miles into the oacean doesn't necessarily mean an armed missile can hit guam? >> no, it doesn't. they haven't factored in and don't know what the payload was or is on that missile. it went quite high. 500 miles up into the air. could have teased it out a little more. they're still doing the analysis
here. this is not the icbm. they still have something a little more powerful than this, quite a bit more. has quite a bit more range and we still don't know just what the re-entry was on this one. live to what was said at that briefing earlier today, this idea sanctions have taken effect. ali, they're not answering the question whether or not sanctions are having an effect. that's a crucial distinction. arguing for stronger sanctions, got watered down, weak eer sanctions and now the two of them haley and mcmaster seem to be playing for time. interesting question. curious what sort of internal conversations there are in the white house, in the pentagon and the state department on how much time they're willing to play for. ali? >> hans, thank you. stand by. matt bradley is in tokyo for us. matt, talk about what happened in japan. this is on one hand very frightening. alarms go off when an actual
missile is flying over japan. at the same point we know that north korea has been doing this for a while. what are the japanese making of this? >> reporter: well, it's a good point, ali. you walk around here in tokyo you would think nothing is going on. indeed, for most japanese, the vast majority, this is just not a cause of concern, because you're right. they've been dealing with this threat for decades, and a bit of a boy who cried wolf element going on here, if you'll allow me to use that cliche. they've seen these threats amplify. the fact is the threats are qualitatively worse now. the frequency of these tests, magnitude of the weapons tested by the north, are much, much greater. at the sim time there is a palpable feeling that the thing that's changed most is in washington. that it's president trump who created this problem with his fire and fury comments back in august. and then some of the comments from other lawmakers.
like lindsey graham, if hundreds of thousands of people die they'll day "over there," striking many in the firing line of north korea as quite glib to put it mildly. >> matt, what does this do in japan politically? the japanese prime minister taking a, sort of a hard line about this. and to some degree, these types of threats do tend to rally a nation around a politician. >> reporter: that's right. well, shinzo abe, who's the prime minister here, he has wavered in popularity. been in office for quite a while, but seen as a nationalist, right winger, which causes a lot of concern among other nations in the region who have a very strong visceral memory of how japan behaved back in world war ii. and they're not willing to forget it and will constantly remind japan of that. for the japanese public, they're kind of rallying behind their leader. we've seen popularity polls
coming out in the past couple weeks that show a marked increase in popularity for shinzo abe, and some of his right-wing elements. people who want to see japan move april way from its traditional passivist constitution and start to see a more aggressive military, start to arm up and have more aggressive weapons that they can use to make something like a preemptive strike. ali, that's the kind of thing japan's constitution actually ties its own hands. they're not allowed under their own law to attack north korea and say, blow up a nuclear missile on a tarmac in north korea before it strikes. they simply can't and won't do that. they're actually barred from get toing the kinds of weapons that would allow them to do that. japan has one of the most powerful and sophisticated militaries in the world. >> right, but legally are not allowed to use it. shinzo abe, he wants to change that, and he's getting a little more support from the public. that could really alter the balance of power throughout the region. >> understand bly. when those sirens start going off, missiles are flying over
your country, people tend to be more open to these ideas. matt, thanks, very much and hans as well. all right. whenever something happens in the korean peninsula we're on the phone with my next guest who knows this stuff better than pretty much anyone. lindsay ford, director of political security affairs with the asia society. talk to me about what you make of this, because it's becoming hard for people in the world to understand what pyongyang is hoping to achieve with these increasingly more threatening tests. i mean, albeit, this one is not as threatening as potential hydrogen bomb that went off the other day, but it went farther. what's the goal? >> i think the goal here is that they want to get the united states to recognize a north korean regime and do it on their terms. so the practical point here is, we demonstrate we have a credible nuclear ballistic missile program that we can strike the united states and
your allies if we chose. and, therefore, we want you to recognize that this regime and specifically the kim family and this leadership has the right to stick around. you're not going to threaten us. >> this is putting jinping in a difficult circumstances. sometimes xi jinping gets it from president trump. they have not blocked sanctions against north korea. in theory china is north korea's patron, but seems to be an awkward position for china to be in. increased sanctions, at some point directed at china more seriously? >> absolutely. xi jinping is between a rock and hard place. and they're in an incredibly bad position at a time this is the last thing he wants to focus on. 19th party congress coming up
shortly, he really doesn't want to spend time having to deal with an erratic north korean regime right now, and the u.s. government made pretty clear basically where they are is the chinese can more fully implement the sanctions that are on the table, and you saw u.s. officials this past week basically saying in testimony on the hill that they suspect both the chinese an the russians, and said they have evidence, really aren't implementing sanctions fully. the way they should be. or that secondary savg arary sat will take a swipe at chinese companies are coming shortly. the chinese are looking at basically additional sanctions with an impact on their companies. or they're going to have to actually more fully follow through with the existen sanctions in a way they really haven't wanted to so far. >> let me ask you something. the president has been talking the last couple of days about the iran deal, with suggestions that in october they're going to have some decision, and the implication, they may want to cancel this iran deal.
the one good thing about the iran deal, whether one agrees with how we got to it or not is that it takes iran's nuclear program off the table. given that we have a real nuclear threat right now in north korea, and by the way, iran nerve her a nuclear armed missile. is this risky to now get into a nuclear confrontation in two parts of the world? >> it's incredibly risky. you could not pick a worst time to try to deal with a nuclear crisis in two places potentially. in middle east and east asia. the reality is that the iran deal we made was never necessarily going to make iran a nice regime we wanted to hold hands with and get along with, but at least took the nuclear issue off the table. if you renege on this deal you're absolutely putting back into play potentially you have to deal with an iranian nuclear program and a north korea program at the same time. and from a practical standpoint, this has a lot of really concerning implications for the
united states. not least of which, if i was secretary mattis, the last thing i want to think about, how to posture forces in both east asia and the middle east to deal with two crises. >> lindsey, thanks for your analysis. lindsey ford, director of political affairs for the agency policy institute. the white house continues to send mixed messages on what the plan is for nearly 800,000 d.r.e.a.m.ers here in the united states. the president seemed to back off significantly on any plan worked out with chuck and nancy. some house republicans in the meantime are trying to keep that dream alive. nbc learned that leadership is uting together working groups of moderates, but also hard-liners on immigration to come up with a plan. not only on daca, but also border security. it's unclear if that includes trump's promised wall. garrett hake first reported the news and joins me now. garrett, seems republicans are realizing they have to take the lead on daca and maybe turn this into a legislative win for themselves, or someone else is
going to do something with it. the concept, i said chuck and nancy, that's how the president referred to chuck schumer and nancy pelosi like they're old friends. >> reporter: yes. i can't believe that's our usable shorthand. broadly speaks you're right. republicans want to turn it into a win for them. they have the majority in the house and senate. they want it to be their deal. first things first. republicans particularly in the house have to figure out who they are and what they stand for when it comes to immigration reform and border security. speaker ryan said he won't put anything on the floor that isn't supported when it comes to immigration, isn't supported by a majority of republicans in the house. the working groups are an effort to fig are out what exactly the majority of republicans in the house can actually support. where republicans can start from their negotiates position if they're really going to negotiate with democrats. the working groups are a part of that. another part of that will come from the white house, which finally signaled today with a little more specificity what
they would like to see in a deal. here was sarah huckabee sanders earlier. >> right now our goal, our focus, is making sure that that program gets taken care of with also coupling that with massive border security, interior enforcement, some of the specific things we'd like to see into sanctuary cities, expedited removal, more immigration jumps. support ug thiing things like t act. more of things you'll see in the coming days. >> reporter: some won't be acceptable to democrats but that's why they negotiate and we we are now. >> exciting times on capitol hill next couple of weeks. garrett, thank you, on capitol hill for us. and washington continues to bicker over what to do about daca. states are stepping up to protect their constituents. as of right now nearly two dozen states are suing the trump administration. the latest to join the fight is california. >> in california, we don't turn our backs on those who help build the state.
who work hard. it's unfortunate that president donald trump chose to turn his back. >> joining me right now, california's attorney general javiar basarro. you just saw there. in light of everything you heard, the conversations you've heard between the president, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, the fact paul ryan is now saying we'll take the lead on this. where does this leave you and the protections that you wish to extend to daca people in california? >> ali, we're where we were before. do everything we can to protect these d.r.e.a.m.erers, creating jobs by opening businesses. valedictorians in their high school class, gone some of the best universities in our nation. we're going to do what we need to do defend them and move forward. if congress is able to strike a deal with the president, that's the best of all worlds, but
we're not going to wait. we're going to continue forward with our lawsuit to defend these folks, because they have produced for this country, and i believe the lawsuit will show that the president and his administration acted against the law and against the constitution when they tried to terminate the daca program. >> you got about 223,000, i think, d.r.e.a.m.ers that would be the largest, one in four american d.r.e.a.m.ers is in the state of california. what's the league argument you are making due to -- to maintain the program? >> well, the constitution provides all of us in this country with due process rights, equal protection rights. we have federal statutes that require our government to treat us with fairness, and you can see from the actions taken by the trump administration in the way they're trying to unwind this program, that they are violating the due process rights, the equal protection rights, and the administrative rights of all of those individuals who did this the
right way, and have gone on to, as i said, serve in our military, create jobs, graduating from our colleges. >> you are a former congressman. would you agree with the, with the evaluation that some made that this is better done by congress and if there's a will to get done in congress that might be the best solution? >> a permanent solution must be done by congress, because the executive actions of a president are only temporary, and they're meant to adjust the way in which a president puts in effect, enforces, a law. so you can't change law dramatically and permanently through an executive order. what you can simply do, this is a way i wish to execute the law to make it work best. we definitely need an act of congress, passage of a bill, to get to the president for his signature to take care of this in the long term. >> attorney general, you and i talked before. in part because who you are and have a big state tend to be out
in front of a lot of issues. i have to ask you about the whole equifax, and the actions of the company, lack of explanation for why almost $2 million in stock was sold by senior executives after the breach. the allegation executives didn't know about this. so much is wrong with this. your thoughts? >> first i have to make sure i preface remarks our practice in the department of justice here in california is not announce, if we are in any way doing an investigation, but i will say, because we've said it before is, the day after equifax made the announ announcement, notified people of the breach, we were already in contact with them. my legal team was. we pushed them on this heissues requiring individuals to sign an arbitration clause to get the credit protection they would need moving forward. we're going to do everything we can, because it's unacceptable that tens of millions of americans should have their
credit not only breached but done by the credit protection agency we expect to be there to protect it as people use them to know, to have access to our credit and to know whether or not we should be able to get that loan for a home or a car or a student loan. so what we have to do is make sure that these credit reporting agencies are protecting our private information, and when they don't, they owe everyone an obligation to respond quickly. i don't believe equifax can stand up there and say they've done this the right way. >> correct. they have not. there may be good explanations to be had. we welcome hearing what they are. california attorney general javiar basarro, thanks for joining me. >> thank you. breaking news out of st. louis, missouri. protest crowds growing after a judge found a former police officer jason stockily not guilty of first-degree murder in the 2011 fatal shooting of anthony lamar smith. stockily fired into smith's car
five times, following a police chase. said he was acting in self-defense and thought smith had reached for a gun in his car. jennifer mechals with our st. louis affiliate ksdk is there with more. jennifer, we saw earlier that there was some crowds gathering. there appear to still be some people in the streets there. tell me what the situation is. >> reporter: good afternoon. yes. there have been crowds out in the streets of downtown st. louis all afternoon. ever since we learned the judge's decision in this case. right now behind me is the biggest crowd we found downtown. i'll back out. right in the middle of downtown, next to the courthouse where this case was heard and right next to city hall. right now a lot of standing around holding signs, peaceful. no violence. people occasionally break out in chants. people will occasionally come over and start marching and sometimes there are chants we've heard from other demonstrations in the past in this city. you'll see sometimes these cars trying to get through the
streets downtown. many are blocked off. sometimes cars can get through. protesters encourage them to turn around and most of the time, people driving the cars listening. there have ban few instances it's gotten dicey out here today. just about an hour ago, standing on an intersection about a block or two from where we are now. several city buses surrounded by protesters and a line of police on bikes had come through to try to move those buses and there was a bit of a clash between protesters and plit as that point. pepper spray was sprayed on to protesters. they break off and go and sit. people help them put fwhaewater eyes to make it better. most of what you've seen this afternoon is this. hundreds are out today. goes in waves. right? sometime as group breaks off, goes in one direction. sometimes say here. right now, again, peaceful, marching through the streets, carrying signs, occasion chants. that's the latest freft downtown st. louis. >> and with our affiliate in st.
louis. thank you. coming up, search for answers after london's latest terror attack where the investigation stands right now as authorities try to figure out who wa behind the attack. later, from devastation to desperation. hurricane irma is behind us. look at these pictures. look at the pictures. the long and difficult road to recovery has only begun for people in the virgin islands, just now starting to piece their lives back together. we'll take you to the island of tore to tortola for an update there.
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we're back. an update from london. an explosion on a subway train rattled the morning's commute. 29 injured in the hunt for answers is irunder way. keir simmons has been following the story since it happened and joins me now. what do we know so far and any idea who was behind this? >> reporter: we don't know whether police have a clear idea. it is pretty tense here tonight in london, ali, and i'll explain why. because we are seeing reporting that the uk terror threat level hasn't been confirmed by nbc news at this point but reported increased to critical. this has been -- this is the
prime minister, the uk prime minister said to be saying this. now, the critical threat level here in the uk means literally that an attack is imminent. what that suggests is that uk authorities do fear that whoever was responsible for what happened behind me here at this subway station is still on the run and may be capable of carrying out another attack. security analyst, duncan, said according to his sources, the detonator went off, but not the main charge, and that if the bulk of this crude bomb, if you like, had detonated, many more people would have been injured maybe even fatally. >> right. that's what some of the people talking to us earlier speculated. there was more to it than what actually happened. i'll ask you this. donald trump tweeted earlier today. he said, this shortly after it happened, he said these are sick and demented people in the sights of scotland yard. must be pro active.
a response from the british prime minister when interviewed? >> reporter: there was. that particular part of the tweet he said, within the sights, that raised eyebrows here even within scotland yard. quite upset by that tweet and then we had the british prime minister theresa may responding. take a listen. >> prime minister, donald trump intervened saying this was carried out by people who scotland yard had in its sights. does he know something we don't? >> i never think it's helpful for anybody to speculate on what is an ongoing investigation. as i've just said, the police and security services are working to discover the full circumstances of this cowardly attack and to identify all those responsible. >> reporter: and ali, this isn't just about british police feeling insulted, if you like. because this is an ongoing investigation, a crucial point, because there is a manhunt someone is on the run, any messages that go out into the public that perhaps suggest that the police know who this person
is, that they even maybe have him cornered threatens the possibility of that person acting maybe even carrying out another attack. this isn't just about politics. >> right. >> reporter: it's about life. >> as you were speaking we have confirmation per the prime minister's office, the terror level in the united kingdom has been increased to critical following the tube attack this morning. this just came by in the last ten seconds. the united kingdom boosted its terror threat level to the critical. the latest we have on this. which means they believe they have information that this isn't done. that it's not that this person is disconnected from anything. they need to find out who it is and want to find out what it's connected to. so i guess it's good information that we must not focus on tweets on these things and let the police do their job on it. keir simmons, thanks. keir will continue to report on that. and president trump's
mar-a-lago resort, calls his winter white house is about to become a lot less private. the visitor logs ruled to be released after a judge ruled in july the records have to be handed over. the president spent seven of his first 14 weekends at mar-a-lago publicly hosts heads of state, cabinet members and administrative appointees. the question is, who else made the president's guest list? as far as the trump administration is concerned, 22 people did. richard painter is the vice chair of one of the watchdog groups that filed the lawsuit to get those logs. a group called citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington crew. also former chief white house ethics lawyerer under george w. bush and joins me now. richard, good to see you. what have you mad so far of the release of the information from mar-a-lago from the white house? >> they didn't tell us anything. they have a legal obligation to disclose these records of who is
coming and going. officially not a state's government business being conducted in mar-a-lago. a report in the "washington post," billed or two two nights for a room at $500 a night is a pretty steep bill for the taxpayers to pick up. u.s. government business conducted down there. taxpayers paying for it, including all the trips back and forth that cost millions of dollars. we're entitled to this information under the freedom of information act and going to get it. we have to go back to the judge and work through this, but the president needs to be a lot more transparent in his business and who is seeing him there at mar-a-lago as well as at the white house. that's what he ought to be doing. being transparents with the american people instead are wasting his time insulting scotland yard and tweeting all the time. we need information about who is meeting with the president. we're entitled to it and we're going to get t. these 22 names
on the list produced, you feel that's not complete, not really the story? >> well, no. that just relates to the japanese prime minister's visit. we're told about who the butler was for the japanese prime minister. that's very interesting. we have asked for a lot moff information about who's coming and going from mar-a-lago over an extended period of time and just given one list of a state visit, most are japanese names on it is not what we want. we're going back to the judge. >> talk to me how president obama decided in 2009 to keep some white house visitor logs shielded from the public. what have other presidents done? president george w. bush and president obama in terms of disclosing visitors? >> well, i wasn't in the obama administration. so i don't know what they were doing. probably trying to hold stuff back, too, but a lot more
transparent than the trump administration. our position in the bush administration originally was we were not going to disclose the white house visit or logs in respect was litigation over that, and then ultimately the decision was made that those visitor logs needed to be disclosed. that's been the practice. disclosing most of the visitor logs from the white house under most of the obama administration and what we need to continue to do here. and we're going to expect the court to rule on this. >> richard, we know that walter shaub left the office of government ethics, report from politico says that that office has altered an internal policy that used to prohibit staffers who had legal defense funds from accepting lobbyist donations. now apparently they can accept lobbyist donations and accept anonymous donations. that's fraught with problems. >> well, that's certainly is. there's a lot of back and forth
with the office of government ethics about that today, and they have to clarify their position. there's been waffling on that in response to the comments i have made. walter shaub and others. so i wait for a final determination what the oge is going to do. but these legal defense funds are ways to get money in to the pockets of the senior officials in the government. and that's not allowed. going on under president clinton and we strongly objected to it and the bush years nap got shut down. legal defense funds for current government officials should not be getting money from lobbyist and others and anonymous donations. that's an invitation to bribery and all sorts of other problems. if people need to raise money from private sources to hire criminal defense lawyers maybe they shouldn't be in the government. and then can take a hike and go to wherever they want out in the private sector. >> richard, always a pleasure talking to you. richard painter, chief white house ethics lawyer under
president george w. bush and vice chair of c.r.e.w. a week since we first learned about the worst cyber security breach in history affecting 143 million people which is most of america's adults. the response by lawmakers in states has been quick and swift. today senate elizabeth warren announced she is launching an investigation into the bill and plans to introduce a bill allows people to freeze credit for free. freezing credit is one of fut things can you do to protect yourself in this instance. by the way, costs money and is really tough when actually trying to get credit. meanwhile, the federal trade commission and fbi are both investigating and senators calling on the s.e.c., and selling $2 million in stock before made public and the house calling on the ceo of equifax,
refused to be interviewed by nbc. this is him. richard f. smith. nearly 40 states are investigating the breach and massachusetts is planning to sue equifax. for more, joined by a columnist for the "los angeles times" who focuses on business and consumers affairs, part-time radio host and recently wrote about equifax's response to the hack, specifically, david, that the clause they included about denying people the right to join a class action lawsuit. i'm one of those people who got an e-mail when it happened to say, press a button, find out if you were hacked's typical fashion, you can't do that, got to put in information and say, yes, yes, yes. to all sorts of things. one of the things i agreed to a clause they had in there. a number of attorneys general descended upon them after that and said, this can't be true. >> well, you know, you're right. and i think a lot of consumer outreach was kind of misplaced because even though there was an
arbitration clause in the credit monitoring service that equifax offered that's kind of par for the course. if you sign up for credit monitoring with anybody. ics peerian, anyone, there's an arbitration clause. in fact, i don't think many consumer was aware if they have a bank account or credit card or a cell phone service or a paid tv service, they've almost certainly agreed to an arbitration clause. everybody has their knickers in a twist. >> that doesn't make it right. >> no, but the point, these are ubiquitous. i'm not defending them by any stretch, pointing out that -- they're always there and in this case, it wasn't so much they were stopping you from suing these guys as, rather, just trying to perpetuate a system that doesn't work in consumer safety. >> which we should be talking about entirely separately. you're absolutely right about this. i will say, what is the conversation about the fact at this point i don't know if anybody's social security number is not in some fashion disclosed
in some breach. this is the biggest, but we have lots of breaches in the tens of millions of people. there's some talk about whether the social security numbers and the fact they're appreciate and supposed to be yours lost some of their usefulness? >> interesting is, social security numbers have been around since the 1930s. as of that time explicitly said not to be identification numbers. never intended to be for national identification services. any time there's a movement towards a national i.d. number as opposed to your social hit a road block especially among conservatives fearing orwellian big brother kind of things. what we're looking at now is perhaps a shift towards biometrics and the new apple iphone a good case in point, because it's going to have facial recognition. if that gets consumers more comfort 5b8 with the idea of using their fingerprint, retina, using their face as a form of i.d., maybe we can get away from these numbers. foolproof? not by a long shot, but anytime
you can get away from this low-hanging fruit that is our social security numbers will make the hackers work harder. by god, that's something we should aspire to. >> quick on this one. you know, when banks get into trouble or do bad things we always say they're too big to fail. the credit rating agencies are not. it's a weird business. right? they peddle in information. everything you and i do financially, they get that information and sell it. you and i have no choices in this matter nor get money for the fact they're making money off our information. can't we just get rid of that? >> the thing that's offensive, none of us have given permission for these guys to profit from some of our most sensitive information. that right there, a big red flag. get rid of them? how will we extend credit to people? there has to be a keeper of the credit pile somewhere. in the legislation elizabeth warren and others are proposing, says the protection bureau should have more jurisdiction
over the credit agencies, to a degree unregulated at the moment. that would be a step in the right direction. >> important to remember, these credit agencies exist to serve the rest of the financial industry. the banks like them, because it standardizes the information. they're not really meant to be a friend of the consumers? >> talking to a source the other day said consumers are not customers of these guys. they're commodities. it's true. we will be treated as commodities. our personal information treated as commodities. we, all too often, are afterthoughts. >> you and i covering personal finance many, many years. probably one of the more egregious things that they've done. not making their kre ceo. what can they do before everybody in america hates equifax? >> we're close that. make no mistake. close. efforts to at least make credit
freezes free. credit monitoring free, would be a step in the right direction. face it, these guys are the ones who were supposed to be protecting us from hackers. it they can't do it they need to offer us the tools to protect ourselves. i'm not a profit center. so, you know -- these guys need to step up and -- at least acknowledge that it's a two-way street. they will ben frit my information and at the same time need to let me protect my information and that means free services. >> david, great talking. thanks for the work you've done on this. david lazarus, "los angeles times." a like picture of joint base andrews where president trump will speak to military personnel. we'll bring that to you when it happens.
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that's the power of and. today marked one week since hurricane irma made its first landfall in the caribbean. residents are trying to piece their lives back together. about 2 million homes in florida alone remain without power. the storm's responsible for at least 69 deaths. 8 of those deaths may have been preventible. family members and investigators looking for answers to why residents of a hollywood, florida, nursing home died days after the storm had passed pd we've learned some residents suffered from body temperatures as high as 106 degrees. in the caribbean, a desperate struggle still playing out in the aftermath. in tortola, those leaving the island, able to take off more
than a week after the tropic's paradise suffer add direct hit. my friend stephanie ruhle travelled there and made her way back. she's in san juan, puerto rico joins us live from there. buddy quite a tour. you have seen remarkable destruction, by the way, a lot of people hadn't seen, because we had been watching what happened after the storm hit florida. that was something. the places, the destruction that you watched. >> reporter: ali i want you to tune in now and over the next couple of days, because it was so remote where we were. we were so cut off, we couldn't even get the images to you until now. just a few minutes ago arrived via boat in puerto rico. we got to san juan and greeted by tent after tent of individuals, church groups, ngos in puerto rico who put together massive care packages. water, tarps, food, for their friends and neighbors in the
virgin islands. we don't realize in the united states how close they are. it's just an hour and a half boat ride from san juan to st. john and the people here feel so close to their neighbors, but i grateful. remember, just a week and a half ago when we were looking at that storm path, puerto rico thought they were going to get it the worst. they got a lot of winds but the storm missed them. a combination of love, neighborly goodness and gratitude has them reaching out to their neighbors in the virgin islands because, to your point, it's absolute destruction over there. and that civilian plane you talked about yesterday, i was at the airport. i had just landed in the airport in tortola when it was announced it would be the first civilian evacuee flight and the airport within minutes was packed. the road going to the airport was packed. people just desperate to get out. not just desperate to get out for a little while. if you had kids, those schools
aren't going to be open for a year or two. today i spoke to a construction foreman in st. john who was taking me around the island. he doesn't think they'll have power for eight months. and remember, hospitality and tourism is their entire business. many, many people on those islands need to leave to find work. if you are there, the banks aren't open so it's a really tough time. >> stephanie, people are getting out. in some cases, it's a tourist area. probably a lot of tourists left but some live elsewhere. you were talking about people trying to get the kids out because they don't believe school will open in some cases. other people leaving in the way we saw people leaving new orleans because they look around and realized my life is based on the hospitality industry which is not going to come back for some time so they need to go somewhere else. unfortunately, we're having -- it's so hard to get a signal. she's working so hard to get us these pictures but i think we've lost communication with her.
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all right. live look on the left-hand side of your screen. joint base andrews. president expected to speak at any moment to kick off a weekend of celebrations commemorating the 70th birthday of the united states air force. let's head to the pentagon. hans nichols is the only guy i know who likes air force hardware more than i do. what's the president going to be doing here? >> well, the important thing is what is he going to be doing it in front of? he's going to be doing it in front of three stealth aircraft. the b2, one of the first stealth aircraft, the f-35 and the f-22. the symbolism this needs to be underscored because you're talking a lot about rhetoric coming out of north korea, about capabilities, options they have. this is the president of the united states potentially talking about north korea with three very powerful airplanes right behind him. ali? >> the b2 is where he is. the big one we're looking at right now, i believe, if i can make that out clearly.
we haven't seen the president coming out yet. tell me what happens when we've been seeing these things happen in north korea. what we tend to have afterwards is a show of force by the u.s. military, sometimes in conjunction with the south koreans or the japanese where they fly planes very close to the demilitarized zone. what is that about? >> it's an indication of the amount of force the u.s. can project. the most recent time they did it, they fly the b1s based in guam. it's one of the main threats in terms of delivering ordnances. what they did is flew the f-35. those took off from japan. the important thing about the f-35, this is the new fighter. it's been controversial and overbudget. it has a lot of capabilities and can deliver quite a payload. when they do these missions, look to see what other countries are flying along with it. it's usually a three-country mission. south korea, japan and the u.s. they really want the response, especially from the air, to
appear to be coordinated and to have all three of those. another thing they'll do is fire off precision guided missiles and they'll -- this is basically guided artillery. the interesting thing about this, i think you'll like this. when they fire them off, the south koreans did, almost the moment the north koreans launched last night, they do it from the same -- they hit a spot out in the ocean that's exactly the target they want to show that they can hit whether that's pyongyang or the actual airfield, the actual airfield where they launched the missile. so a lot of symbolism with these weapons and these weapon systems. i'm very curious to what the president has to say here on sanctions. is he going to say the sanctions we have in place are enough, which is sort of the line we heard from nikki haley and h.r. mcmaster, or is he going to side with his secretary of state. so important what he says. >> and you hear the music beginning. hans, thanks very much. never want to miss an opportunity to talk about some aircraft when i get a chance,
especially with you. hans nichols at the pentagon. and there comes the president of the united states walking out toward the podium in front of those three remarkable aircraft to deliver comments on the u.s. air force. i won't be able to stick around to hear this speech because my time is up. thank you for yours. we're keeping our eye on joint air base andrews. stephanie ruhle and i on velshi and ruehl. and we're going to bring you a unique take on the economy 12:30 p.m. eastern tomorrow and see stephanie at 11:00 a.m. eastern every weekday and me at 3:00 p.m. stephanie and me at 11:00 and me at 3:00. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00.
we're keeping an eye on an event at andrews air force base where the president and first lady are about to begin an event in front of military personnel and their families. as the president prepares to head to new york for the united nations summit of world leaders next week, where he will need the help of our allies to deal with ap increasingly belligerent rogue power, the question this hour, can donald trump be trusted not to tweet about sensitive national security information? the president today responded to news of a terrorist attack in london with a tweet that went further than our ally great britain would have liked. president trump tweeted this. another attack in london by a loser terrorist. these are sick and demented people in the sights of scotland yard. must be proactive. the tweet suggests that either the president spoke about something before having all the facts or tha