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the current balance of power, anger is picking up on the right over the deal he seems to have done with the left. and the new trouble with an old friend of ours, the brits, who are saying the american president overstepped and he picked a bad day to do it. right after another terrorist attack in london. and a president as he would say like no one's ever seen before. tonight an expert is weighing in on what's really going on when the president talks as only he can. that is "the 11th hour" gets under way. and on this friday night, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 239 of the trump administration. tonight donald trump has trouble with the brits after a bad day for them. more on that in a bit. but most urgently for the president, he's got trouble on his right. stemming mostly from his invite a democrat to dinner night and making some sort of a deal with the two icons of the modern day left, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, social media and networks like this one were full of posted videos like these
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today. let's say they may not be the most loyal members of the trump base, but we can also say that the people burning their hats and tossing their trump merch into the trash are doing so because immigration and all the attendant issues, daca and the wall, were lines they would not allow to be crossed. the not so expressive in congress were cut out of the game. "the washington post" reports the dinner with the democrats lost gop leaders facing a new reality as a daunting fall agenda looms. they are at their lowest moment of influence of the year. that got our attention. the piece goes on to say no matter how speaker paul ryan and majority mcconnell react to trump's work with the democrats, they cannot seem to get that influence back. saying, quote, so far none of these approaches have produced
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what gop leaders on capitol hill hoped they would have after their party won the white house and congress in november. control. the president seized control of the beltway narrative, upended conventional wisdom about his intentions and perhaps his abilities, and has seemed to have relished the feeling opinion it's something our political director chuck todd noticed about this unlikely alliance. he opened his show with it this evening. >> whatever the motivation, he has arguably taken back some control of his presidency. the question is whether this out reach to democrats has staying power or not. >> "the new york times" reports the decision from the president to exclude his party leaders was very much intentional. they write this. it was the politics and optics that mattered. by excluding paul ryan and mcconnell from the dinner he was willing to exclude the leadership of his own party in
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the interest of scoring fast legislative victories, that transactional thing we've talked about before. and while many people believe the president is trying to take back control in his way, there is still that major story out there. his white house dealing with the problem out of their control and that's robert mueller's russia investigation. in that investigation today former trump campaign chairman paul manafort spokesman testified before a grand jury in washington. he made a very brief statement afterwards. >> i was ordered to appear today before the grand jury. i answered questions. i've been dismissed. that's all i have to say. >> tonight this from "the wall street journal". facebook gave robert mueller more details on russian ad buys than congress. included copies of the ads and details about the accounts that bought them and targeting criteria the people familiar with the matter said.
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after all of that let's turn to the panel. peter baker, also an msnbc political analyst. indira is with us, "boston globe" columnist. peter, i don't want to begin with too grandoise an opening question to you, but it has two parts. what's the state of the trump presidency on this friday night and what's the state of the president's mindset? >> i think the answer to both questions is they are in flux. this is a presidency that is redefining itself. is it going to be lasting? is it going to be sustained? that's a big question and the answer is probably not. for the moment, anyway, they feel they have made some changes here that are important. that the president has shifted a little bit toward what they hoped he could be in the beginning and hasn't really
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necessarily always achieved which is to be somebody who was able to reach beyond the structures of the party that wasn't winning battles for him in the congress. this is a very short term phenomenon at the moment. he's in a more positive upbeat mood lately and i think it's because he sees these potential deals with democrats as a chance to get something on the board. he hasn't had that so far. when he's feeling upbeat, the staff feels more up beat. >> matthew, let's talk about some differences between the four people who taken together sound like channel 11 news on your side, chuck and nancy and mitch and paul. what are the differences beyond the obvious? >> well, the differences so far is that chuck and nancy were able to deliver a deal for the president. we know that he likes to make
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deals and say that he made deals. he came to them about this spending through the end of the year and they got their caucuses in line and they got it done. what we've seen with paul ryan and mcconnell is they've said they can repeal obamacare and they can't do it. i think what we see so far is they're able to deliver which is what he likes and also of course culturally, nancy pelosi is from baltimore, a rich area of san francisco. i think he has more in common with both of them than he does paul ryan and mcconnell. >> this idea of control is out there today in our sphere of journalism meaning that by going to the other side, at least donald trump remains in control of the argument and it's a hell of an argument they're having on the right. >> it's interesting you use going to the other side because as peter has written, you know, this is a president who campaigned and won as a republican but really is really all about himself. all about the trump brand. so peter has used that word independent.
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others have too. but i -- the comparison that strikes me is bill clinton in his first term and how bill clinton tried to triangulate. he was so famous for being transactional. you used that term tonight. in the same way bill clinton got dinged by his own caucus, bithe democrats for doing welfare reform but then remember he was reelected for a second term. i think that donald trump is sort of looking at wait a second, i made my whole brand on the art of the deal. i'm supposed to be the deal maker and i haven't gotten a single deal done through congress. he's pointed the finger. he's blamed the republicans for this. i think he's just looking out for number one, and what kind of a win can he get. >> le meet double down on the clinton point. covering the white house on the war with newt and the government shut down. bill clinton had that indelible "d" after his name. you don't get the sense that the "r" next to the trump name than he ran under is very indelible. >> you know what letter i would put after trump's name? "t." it's not -- it's "t." it's all about the trump brand.
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it's really not about the republican brand and he doesn't care about so-called crossing the aisle and working with democrats. if they're going to give him what he wants, it's all about like i said number one getting a victory for the donald trump party. that's really what i think it's about. that's why he's feeling upbeat. as you said, he got the debt ceiling and the spending for the end of the year and now potentially a deal on the d.r.e.a.m.ers. the incredible thing is everybody is talking about how trump's base is going to evaporate. where are they going to go? let's be serious. they went to donald trump and not to ted cruz and not to jeb bush. i don't see there's anywhere else they have to go. >> i was reminded of this ted cruz quote from the campaign. so if as a voter you think what we need is more republicans in washington to cut a deal with harry reid, nancy pelosi and
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chuck schumer, then i guess donald trump is your guy. mr. baker, there was a visual. we made quick use of it at the top of our broadcast tonight. it made for a little bit of a first. it reminded people of the old season of ken starr and perhaps scooter libby. here it is. the notion of an individual coming out of a federal courthouse having just talked to a grand jury. it wasn't a thud, a thunderous event. it was just a thing. just one guy. a spokesman for paul manafort. but with your reporting in mind, tell us about him and tell us what this may say about mr. mueller operation to date. >> well, i think the mueller operation is trying to move pretty quickly on this. they're bringing people before the grand jury and a pretty advanced stage of their investigation. it's only been a couple months. to already begin to take testimony is a pretty important step. this fellow is not going to be central to any case involving the president of the united states most likely, but the beginning of the parade of
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people like you suggest, the ken starr investigation or something else like that, that's where it begins to be real trouble for the president. he starts seeing people like michael flynn or paul manafort himself or people in the white house, the special counsel has already issued a list of people in the white house he wants to talk to. that's going to be a big deal with people actually -- if for nothing else, the people as you say is not a welcome one for any president. it distracts from the agenda he wants to set. this is just a small tip of what could be a pretty big iceberg. >> so think of these two visuals. that one a gentleman walking outside of the federal courthouse and what we showed at the top of the broadcast, sporadic videos posted, social media by some very vocal members of trump's base. when will you start taking a census, the pulse of the trump base to see what its floor is? >> well, we know that the russia scandal hasn't really bothered this base. those developments coming alongside this, i don't really
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know what to make of that. him dealing with democrats makes the base this angry. and the vocal base is what we're talking about. ann -- they are powerful voices among his base. when they start to pushback on him, i think that raises serious questions. if at the same time we see some independent, some moderates, i like this, this is what we signed in to washington to do. >> to my conversation, it goes back to this word of the moment and that's transactional. it may not get you through the week or the month, but on tuesday it was the best idea. >> that's right. trump is about getting through the day. we talked before, brian, about how his method of governance is really chaos.
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the chaos presidency. he also likes to say i scored this point, i got this done. i think part of him trying to get these deal with chuck and nancy is also about trying to distract from the russia investigation that we're talking about. let's not forget he has not got everyone on his side here. it's not just mueller who's after him. some pretty powerful people in his party like chuck grassley, the chairman of the judiciary committee, and the ranking democrat dianne feinstein have gotten together in talking about potentially subpoenaing two fbi agents to talk about jim comey and why he was let go and also potentially, you know, paul manafort himself. so i think it's not necessarily going to be easy for donald trump to distract away from the russia investigation. >> peter baker, there are theme weeks anymore at the white house? >> they're often not themes that they're setting. next week's theme is going to be international affairs.
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the president will be up in new york for the united nations general assembly. so in that sense there's a theme week. we've seen infrastructure week or so forth. we haven't been doing a lot of those lately. we've got a new team coming in. john kelly and so forth. we've had more turnover than any you can remember. they're trying to get their feet planted. the trick is, though, you mentioned this deal. there's a whole new unexpected part of this plan. they've introduced a whole new legislative debate into that season. >> peter baker our thanks along with indira and matthew. terrific leadoff panel on a friday night in mid september. coming up, the president gets out in front of the facts after a scary day in london during morning rush. and north korea issues another new threat to the united states, so it must be friday.
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welcome back to our broadcast on a friday night. the trump white house dealing with two very different overseas threats today. north korean leader kim jong-un says he will complete the country's nuclear weapons program despite increased u.n. sanctions according to comments carried by the official media there. their last ballistic missile test let's not forget was yesterday when the people of japan woke up to air raid sirens and alerts on their phones. now to great britain. their threat level is at its highest notch tonight meaning
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another attack may be imminent after a crude device detonated this morning on the london subway injuring 29. officials are zeroing in on a person of interest. london is loaded with cc tv cameras. they usually have very good imagery to go on. it's what the u.s. president did after that attack is drawing criticism in the uk. trump said this on twitter. quote, another attack in london by a loser terrorist. these are sick and demented people who were in the sights of scotland yard. must be proactive. british prime minister theresa may was later asked whether the president's wording there about in the sights of scotland yard meant that he knew something the brits didn't or he had been briefed on something that wasn't public yet. >> i never think it's helpful for anybody to speculate on what is an ongoing investigation. the police security services are
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working to discover the full circumstances of this cowardly attack and to identify all those responsible. >> with us to talk about this, jeremy bash, former chief of staff at pentagon and cia. former council of the house intel. and agreeing to join us for another bit of conversation. peter baker from "the new york times." jeremy, our alliance with great britain used to be one of the things along with having a pulse and being able to fog up a mirror in the morning you could just wake up. it was friday. we had a robust alliance with great britain. it seems to me that is no longer the case and speaking of all things transactional, it seems to me it is following a very unsure path. >> brian this relationship that you described is a very intimate close counter terrorism partnership where we look at threats and we counter the work of terrorist organizations together. so whenever there's a division in the relationship, it's not only bad for the uk. it's very bad for the united
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states. that's why i think you probably heard an audible gasp come from ci ahead quarters up the road in langley, virginia, when the president put out his tweet this morning. he wasn't speculating. he said the new scotland yard metropolitan police had actually missed clues, that they had a terrorist in their sights and they dropped the ball. they were, unquote, proactive. either he was briefing out intelligence, sensitive intelligence and spilling that out to the public, which is totally inappropriate and damaging, or he was just flat wrong and making our best ally in the world look very, very bad. >> peter, you know this relationship as a subset of this relationship with the uk, the relationship about terrorism is probably the closest. the nypd has members living and working in london and vice versa as cities, new york and london
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talk constantly as they did this morning when very little was known. peter, what's your guess? was the president fresh from a briefing talking out of school or speculating and are both equally dangerous? >> well, here's what we think happened. let's just say what we know happened and who can draw conclusions. his tweet came 23 minutes after a segment was on fox news. fox and friends this morning which we know he watches in which they showed an outside security analyst sort of speculating to the effect of well, you know, we'll have to find out whether or not scotland yard actually had these people in their sights. i'm afraid we might learn at some point they did have them in their sight. this analyst wasn't saying he knew anything. he was speculating. the president's tweet comes out and says they were in the sights of scotland yard. we don't know for fact he was watching but it seems like a reasonable conclusion. it wouldn't be the first time he took something from television, particularly fox news and then tweeted out a strong reaction without checking first a pretty decent fact finding operation
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known as the united states intelligence community. whether or not as jeremy says, whether or not this is spilling secret information or as it seems more likely he was simply, you know, going off of an incomplete understanding of a tv report, either way it's surprisingly damaging to a relationship that had been really, really strong. not the first time. this has happened repeatedly. this is the same white house that read from the podium, his press secretary of state, a story suggesting that british intelligence helped barack obama wire tap donald trump. and he also of course remember has gotten into this sort of war with the mayor of london during he distorted what the mayor of london said. this is part of a pattern at this point and the british allies are getting used to it whether they like it or not. >> i guess special relationship or not, it all depends on how
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you define special. i have to turn the corner to north korea. at a briefing today there was general mcmaster talking how there is, in fact, a nuclear option with north korea, which is, of course, true. nikki haley who has gotten high marks for her handling. then these remarks tonight, barry mccaffrey, never minces words, gets our attention and we'll talk about this on the other side. >> kim jong-un has learned from his father and his grandfather that military provocations that the united states and south carry we never actually respond to. i fear he has misjudged the current situation. >> that was a bit chilling as i think you'll agree. what do you think he is referencing there? >> i think what he's referencing is that the white house has asked the pentagon and the joint chiefs four military options. i'm told that the has repeatedly asked his senior military advisers to present those
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options and to layout what would be required for the military to deploy forces to the pacific to undertake military action. i don't think the president has made a decision to undertake military action, but i think he clearly wants that option available to him. we've had five of the most provocative acts conceivable here in the last interval of time. we've had two icbm tests, a nuclear test of a probable two stage thermo nuclear device. i don't think it's much of an overstatement to say this is the most attention we have seen between two nuclear powers since probably the cuban missile cries. >> we were talking about how words have consequences. it's been a few weeks since fire and fury. >> you're right about that. one of the things general mcmaster was trying to do was to keep the military option in the heads of the north koreans.
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whether or not there's a viable military operation or not. there's been a lot of conversation since fire and fury from people saying look, it's not really very viable, there's too much risk here, even conventional attack by north korea on south korea could end up with thousands and thousands of casualties. even steve bannon, the now dismissed former adviser said there really isn't a military option. i think what general mcmaster is trying to do here was keep that viable in the heads of the north koreans. otherwise it's not useful as a diplomatic leverage. it's a way of telling the north koreans take us seriously and respond to diplomatic because you can't assume we won't take action. >> thanks for helping our coverage on a friday night, jeremy bash, peter baker, thanks to you both. coming up after one more break here, the author of a column that millions make an effort to read when it comes out.
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welcome back. we are so happy to welcome peggy noon an to our on air family tonight. she's known by many as the columnist for the wall street
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journal. she worked for years in tv news and lived to tell the tale. she will try whenever possible to preview her saturday column on friday nights, peggy permitting. this week's column is entitled under anesthesia, everything was beautiful. kind of hunteresque thompsonesque. welcome to you. thank you for being here. >> thank you very much, brian. for all you just said and for asking about the column in "the wall street journal." it makes me happy. >> while we want people to read the column, what's the tease you give people, especially coming off that kind of foggy hazy title? >> yes. it is -- it's unusual as a column i think in that it's a kind of fantasy in which our political leaders in washington act with great -- with an almost sacrificial sense of sweetness and integrity and seriousness toward their constituents,
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toward each other and also they take history very seriously. >> are you satisfied that you are writing -- are you comparing this fantasy to names we have known in our recent history who who have just occupied the white house? >> well, i don't compare the current occupant with previous occupants, but i talk specifically about some public figures. mrs. clinton and her recent book, her memoir and approaches she might have taken in it and i have donald trump talking to a -- an older woman during the hurricane in texas and having a wonderful kind of human equal conversation with her. sort of another side of him and melania trump is part of it. it was just kind of fun to say what if.
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>> and foot ware makes a cameo appearance. i'll say that to the audience. let me ask you about this. the word of the moment as i keep saying is transactional. it's meant to describe donald trump's approach to presidential politics. not an ideolog. not really a republican but a new york democrat. how much interaction have you had with him in new york over the years the way people do and how do you view the chuck and nancy talks on the left? >> my interaction has been limited but i have watched him very closely for a long time. it seems i am one of those who was extremely surprised when the chuck and nancy moment happened over daca and the conversation since and the dinner. i was really surprised he did not do that from day one. we always forget about donald trump's core supporters somewhat more than a third of the nation.
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they are republicans and democrats who backed donald trump's positions on spending, which was pretty generous. no messing with the entitlements, we're going to have a big infrastructure. we're going to spend. we're going to get certain things right. his proposals after the bombast and the rhetoric and the unfortunate statements, his proposals during the campaign many of them were kind of moderate middle of the road and democrats in the industrial states, the former industrial states and republicans like him a lot. it seems to me always the real play for the president always was from day one he's got the republicans probably. go for the democrats. smash things together. mix it up a little bit. surprise everybody. take the press back. that was the path i thought he'd take.
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i was surprised when instead he was advised to and agreed to sit down with the republican side, not at all the democratic side and take their advice on what his first issues should be. it was a surprise to me. so what he's doing now is not and i think we'll see how it goes. he thinks of himself as a great deal maker. so far on daca, it has seemed to me that he didn't make a deal. he said a yes. i'm not sure what he got in return for what he was supposedly conceding. so we'll see how he plays them and they play him and we'll see, you know, i always try to be optimistic. sometimes even have fantasies. my optimistic sense is you know what? maybe something could -- good could come of this. maybe some breakthroughs. maybe some pushing forward.
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maybe producing some legislation that everybody can sit back and think okay, that's reasonable. >> i will only say by way of thanking you and embarrassing you further there's a reason your column is part of the regular media diet of millions of people. great thrill to have you. coming up, the author of one of the shortest books written in the last year about a topic the author believes is central to our survival. more light fare on a friday night when "the 11th hour" continues. save lives. mr. stevens? this is your new name. this is your new house. and a perfectly inconspicuous suv. you must become invisible. [hero] i'll take my chances.
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a need for this book? >> the book is an encounter of 25 years of thinking about history with a particular moment. because i work on the issues you talk about, the holocaust and the war, i know that the "it" that can happen can happen here. i know it can happen to people like us. because my teachers were people who lived through the holocaust and communist, i know it can happen to people like us. because my students and younger friend in eastern europe are living through it now. i know it can happen now. the experience, the moment which triggered this experience which brought it to the present that led to the book was of course the campaign and then the victory of mr. trump who is unfortunately many of whose behaviors, actions, rhetorics remind me of things i think we had to remember. >> the book is built on 20 points, really guidelines, things to look for, things to act upon. we're going to show the audience what they are when we talk about
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some of them starting with do not obey in advance. what does that mean? what does that sound like? >> it's about being an individual. when something changes, when something dramatic changes, our natural impulse is to adjust. most of the time that's perfectly appropriate. there are times and places where what's changed is so fundamental and so important that we need to take stock. we need to not adjust want not do what everyone else is doing. not drift. instead ask one's self what kind of person am i, what kind of individual, what kind of citizen? this is a lesson that historians agree about, whether talking about communism, germany in 1933. it turns out tyrants draw their power from consent we give without thinking about it. >> when i saw you appear with bill mahr and saw you not fearing around that we were entering a tyrannical time, i'll bring up two of your other points. ask you one question covering
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those two points. what if the institutions and the truths are under attack from the top? >> that's why we have to defend them. the whole point of the book is that americans have been luckier than we've good. we're now in a moment that's unlucky and now is our chance to see how good we are. of course these things are attacked from the top. that's the way history normally works. it's up to us to say we care about constitutional institutions and above all we care about the journalists. the journalists aren't the enemies of the people as our president instructs us. the journalists are the ones who allow us to be the people, to know what's going on, to make decisions for ourselves. it's a great question because it is up to us. of course that's what the founders thought as well. the founders didn't say trust your leaders.
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the founders said think for yourself. we're giving you this set of institutions. hold them up. >> we're so lucky to have that. and yet we're so used to having kind of institutional parents. listen for dangerous words. what do they sound like? >> when leaders gesture at other groups with certain cliched phrases instead of proposing specific policies, then you have a problem. so historically a key one is terrorism. it's not that terrorism doesn't exist. terrorism exists as we've seen in the last few days. but when leaders focus on terrorism and suggest that terrorism is a substitute for policy, that's a warning sign. it's a warning sign that they're planning to use some future terrorist attack as an excuse to change the system. that's something i'm afraid which has happened all too often. it hasn't happened to us. but we know from history we have to watch out for it. >> here's a warning i've heard from you and others. be calm when the unthinkable arrives.
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god forbid we are to be hit by a domestic act of terrorism. that's when you've got to watch what happens. >> yeah. what history does is it buys us time. when we think of history, we think thousands of pages of reading. history allows us to get out ahead. certain things have already happened. in germany, 1933, russia, 1999, a terrorist incident was the occasion where a republic becomes a new kind of authoritarian regime. when that happens, whether it's a terrorist attack or whether it's a war, we have to recognize there's a politics to this. we don't need a state of exception. we need a leader who takes care of the problem and we need to take care of our own rights. >> i have a very good friend the sun of two survivors. his mother still lives. a piece of her leg is missing because of mangala's dog.
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she has a tattoo on her wrist and i wonder in her 90s how she views these pictures coming out of places like charlottesville, what a time we're in. in 15 seconds, how do you put the chance of tyranny? >> the chance is ours to take. this is a challenge for us. we can learn very quickly the things we need to learn. if each of us does a little thing that we see as our civic duty, we're going to be okay. it's not a matter of waiting and seeing much it's a matter of doing. >> the book is an owner's manual in effect. professor timothy snyder, thank you. coming up, why it matters that we have a president who sounds unlike any other in american history. back with that after this. ["love is all around" by joan jett & the blackhearts]
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welcome back to friday night broadcast. let's agree for the sake of the next conversation that donald trump uses the most colorful language of any president at least in the modern era and says some of the most questionable things.
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and that is where our next guest comes in. john is a linguist. he has a ph.d.. he teaches at columbia. he has written extensively, and he too is colorful when talking about donald trump and specifically how this president talks. that's why we talked about it with john mcwharter. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you, brian. >> i've been wanting to ask you, what is your linguistics definition of this president? >> donald trump linguistically is unadorned. this is the basics. this is what language was undoubtedly like when it first emerged among people who didn't have writing and were first getting their verbal sea legs. this is where it started. and so in that way, as in so many others, donald trump is an original.
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>> that would mean that education and schooling has had no effect on his use of language. he's quick to remind us he went to the best schools. >> and learned nothing in them. he speaks like one who paid no education to one of the goals of education which is to refine our speech. he uses those same ways of speaking in what most of us used to consider formal. >> i think in your line of work they call it a tag. when something is added to the end of a traditional sentence. so often he will tag a sentence with believe me, believe me, and enforcer. something he thought was lacking in the original sentence. >> uh-huh. it's that he's reinforcing. also he's using oral speech. we're checking to see that the other person understands what we're saying, that they're in the same boat we are. that's what lol can be in texting.
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he does that too, but it's not in texting, he's doing in formal circumstances, which means he never leaves the realm of the casual when he speaks. which is unlike even say indige societies where there's no such thing and read inand writing, there's always a high and low way of talking. the chief doesn't get up and run his mouth. ours does. >> he's covered him for some time and says about donald trump there are visual and audio tells that he peppers his speech with where if you know what's coming you, you know what's coming. i want to run a montage of a trump face people don't know. and in eli stokele's reading of it, people don't know for donald trump means i just learned. here's the examples. >> france is america's first and oldest ally, lot of people don't
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know that. our first republican president abraham lincoln ran his first campaign for public office in 1832. great president. lot of people don't know he was a republican. people don't realize we are a unbelievably divided country. i have to tell you it's a unbelievably complex subject, nobody knew health care could be to complicated. >> that aspect of him, i can't say anything particularly linguistic about it. he has the need to be the alpha male. that business of most people don't know this is coming from the same well. the idea is he's always the one who's one step ahead. in that, i don't find him linguistically challenged but someone who's oddly adolescent for someone who's a senior
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citizen. >> what about believe me or more than we've ever seen before. >> some of that is because there really only -- i'm sorry to say it, there are only so many thoughts. and so often he's speaking and i think he runs out of new insights and he covers it with things like believe me or it can't ever be that something is bad, it's very bad or very, very bad. those are his equivalents of roughly um or scratching his head. i think often the content of what he's saying is much slimmer than the bulk, the bull kij of the verbiage that he spews out. >> he's now president in a age of instantaneous fact checking. 's not used to his kind of ad-libs being fact checked in real time. do you think he's bumped up against that dynamic. >> yeah. it's unfortunate. i don't think he's going to change in that way. he has no deodorant sunday best
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way of speaking, and that includes that you have to have a more responsible sense of truth than when you're just with her pals when we speak casually all the times, where it may be maybe if we checked up on it it might be different. he doesn't understand if you're president of the united states, you can't just talk. it looks like you're just talking because you're moving your mouth, but there's this other art you're supposed to master. he wasn't interested in that sort of thing say in school, this is somebody who's number to the artful. he has a nar caughtic joy in dismissal than building and decorating. he doesn't understand when you're president you have to think about things like what we call truth conditions in linguistics. >> are you describing lt intersection of narcissism and
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linguistics. >> that is beautifully put. he is what happens when you get somebody who is extremely artful and also i think it's safe to say, i don't think he's insane, but clinically narcissistic and talking all the time to us in our houses about serious things. and that's what's so striking about listening to this person talk. what's unfortunate is how much we've had to listen to it. but i don't think we should be under any impression that it's going to change. because we're in a informal era. in a way, he's a product of something that's been going on since the mid 60s and in many ways it's in good ways. in america you and i would have had to wear fedoras and suits on hot days thank god that's gone. but you put speech in its sunday best. we could have predicted somebody was going to come along who didn't really bother to do anything but talk rather than
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in this case as you see more police arriving. we turn to the last thing before we go. it's the scene that launched a thousand captions on social media today. behind what played out today at the white house is this. a 11-year-old is a lawn mowing en thewsist, covering to cut the grass at the white house gratis. my fellow lawn mowing veterans in the audience will note that is not a self propelled poeer. 11-year-old mower frank wearing eye and ear protection was so into it, at first he didn't notice that the president had come over to say hi. frank is hoping the exposure will boost his residential mowing business. it will and not to worry he mode a small portion of the ground the white house sits on 18 acres of land, much of it, too much of it for his purposes are green.
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