tv Politics Nation With Al Sharpton MSNBC September 17, 2017 5:00am-6:00am PDT
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month. journalists taking heat and even the fans that watch. we're seeing the good, bad, and down right ugly that comes with this struggle. in a second we'll talk about the unrest we've seen in st. louis after the exoneration of former st. louis police officer jason stockily and the 2011 shooting death of suspect anthony lamar smith following a high speed chase. protests started immediately after the friday morning verdict and have continued over the weekend leaving ten law enforcement officers injured and more than three dozen people arrested. but first, let's pivot to the government's role in policing. because earlier this year attorney general jeff sessions demanded that all existing
consent decrees agreements between the forecast government and local police departments to reduce misconduct would be reviewed by the trump justice department. the move was interpreted by some as giving leeway to embattled urban police departments, a prime example being the city of chicago which was sued last month by the illinois attorney general for not doing enough to protect civil rights. they recommended 99 reforms of which the city according to chicago reporter has only fully implemented six. i want to bring in jonah newman. he's a data reporter for the chicago reporter which recently launched an online tracking tool to monitor the city of police
reform. jonah, thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> you know i've commit the as many have our lives toward many things in civil rights including police reforms. i've watched this very carefully. i met with sessions and outraged they're kind of backing up. and your paper, your online gathering of datas is head out of the 99 recommendations the obama justice department had had made to the chicago police department. only six have been implemented? >> yes. so far. so like you said, the justice department came in in the wake of the shooting of course about the video in late 2015 this past january. they came out with the report a few days before the end of
obama's term. and the report laid out all of the ways that chicago police department has been, you know, abusing the power and engaging in misconduct and said 99 specific reforms that justice department thought needed to happen here in order to fix the police department. of course, usually those early recommendation was be kind of the foundation upon which a consent decree would ultimately be written. but like you said, once jeff sessions became attorney general, the justice department stepped back from those consent decrees and so we decided to sort of step in and say okay, well what would an independent monitor that would be part of a consent decree look at? and we just said where the city is at implementing the 99 recommendations? so far, eight months later, they fully implemented six of the
recommendations. about 20 recommendations have not been implemented at all and others are either sort of still unclear or in various stages of beginning to be implemented. >> let's be clear on this now. i think people that are viewing us need to understand. this is the justice department of the united states. happened under president obama less than a year ago. >> right. >> and this is after an investigation for research by the justice department making recommendations to a local police department who are supposedly there to serve and protect the public and you're telling us that less than 10% of those recommendations have been implemented. new administration comes in and despite the justice department investigation that he inherited this justice department findings this is not al sharpton. this is not activists. he just decides, sessions, well i'm not going to do a consent
decree even though the information is. the there. this is why so many people have distrust. >> absolutely. i think it's -- that was really our motivation here. without a consent decree and like you said at the top of the show, just last month the illinois attorney general decided to step in and see if she could force a consent decree a in federal court and brought the mayor to the table. there maybe a consent decree in chicago despite the u.s. justice department's opposition to them. but until then and even once there say consent decree, it seems to us that at least it's our responsibility as journalists and the public to make sure we're holding the city accountable to continue down the road to reform even if there's no federal partner anymore.
>> i emphasize, this is law enforcement justice department looking into the matter saying these steps are necessary being resi resisted by local lost in this case chicago but happening other places. let's bring in jamish, national political reporter for "the new york times." yamish, we saw a verdict in st. louis, another city. this is a national problem. it's not a chicago problem. it's not a st. louis problem. but we saw a verdict from a 2011 police shooting where the prosecutor did go forward with the case, said that the officer planted a gun on the victim and shot him and there was video that reportedly said something to the effect i'm going to shoot this guy or shoot this blank. yet, a judge acquitted him. this is not a jury trial.
it's a bench trial. and many of us have said for years that those in public service on public duty should face the public and be required to have a jury trial and not be able to wait for a bench trial because politics becomes involved with judges. where are we with this st. louis case? tle clearly there are protests, mostly peaceful. i understand last night 30 minutes after the organizers dispersed, people came back and there were disturbances. manufacture t many of the disturbances, of course, i always tell people, a tlost is organic and just anger for people in the neighborhood. it's not organized groups that call the protestor that worked hard in terms of police reform. >> there are two things. first thing is this judge who is looking at this officer and wondering how to -- what to make
of the shooting, said and wrote in the decision that it would be an anomaly if an urban drug deal der not hadea dealer did not have a gun. a lot of people that are into racial profiling saying he profiled someone who is shot saeg this is a man selling drugs. i'm going assume that he would have a gun. that's a big leap. >> assume but no evidence. and with the prosecutor raising contrary evidence saying that this was -- there was no dna of this young person that the judge is referring to. his dna was not on the gun. the only dna was the officer's dna. >> exactly. that's why people are in the streets and very up in arms. apart from that, there is an idea that st. louis in the aftermath of ferguson thought there was going to be a lot of change. that there was going to be usher nfg a new phase where african-americans would be treating more -- treated more fairly. of course, we had that doj
report that said what everyone had been telling me on the streets when reporting in ferguson that, african-americans were treated unfairly. they were the ones who used when officers used force, they were using african-americans, when they use dogs, they're more than not stopping african-americans. they're using dogs on them. the idea is that people thought their lives were going to change. what really happened is there was some change. there was a couple maybe african-american officers done, there was some town hall meetings and task force formed. but then we had jeff sessions come in and that has kind of really pulled back people's ideas of what's going to happen. what you see is protests because people are very much still upset. i don't know how they see this turning a corner. and of course, i said, i think this judge feels as though he's making a same judge ment that officer made when he said that mike brown looked like something like a demon and said that this is a young man walking down the street and he feared for his life. there is this idea that people think -- people are being racially profiled.
and they're essentially being killed because of that. >> and judges are saying it from the bench and that is why you got to take the politics out of it and have independent review of these cases and prosecutions. >> yeah. as you know, it's so rare for officers to be charged with a crime. it's almost an anomaly for them to be convicted of a crime. i think it's impossible for them to ever serve time if convicted. >> where we have seen them convicted, not been involved in some is when you have outside federal prosecution or special prosecution and they go to jail. but you've got to keep on until you can change how the system works. thank you yamish and thank you jonah newman. coming up, how the state of florida is dealing with the devastation of hurricane irma and how it may be related to daca and immigration reform. to most people, i look like most people.
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confusion rains in washington over daca. this program that involves immigrants brought to this country by parents to stay in the u.s. over the past several days, the president along with republican and democratic leadership have gone back and forth on whether there is a plan or not. the destruction is so bad that basic utilities like electricity
and clean drinking water has yet to be restored to countless communities. those two topics are connected. let's bring in republican congressman francis rooney of naples, florida. first, congressman, tell us the state of your district. >> thank you for having me on. we suffered a lot of devastation in this storm. unfortunately, the people that cannot afford to lose lose the most. we have mobile home parks and some areas where there is disadvantaged people who are totally flooded out. i was down there this week walking around the water trying to help people giving out food. and surveying the damage. >> are areas still without power in your district? yes, sir. so it is one more long week for many people. >> now let me connect this to the debate about daca in
washington. i'm getting reports that several people, many people, are not going to shelters because there are ice agents there waiting to try and get people that are undocumented immigrants. are you experiencing any of this, hearing any of this in your district or surrounding areas? >> i heard that rumor. when i was down, there dinlt see it. i actually gave out food to a whole lot of hispanics with some of my colleagues up in lee high acre, one of the more at risk areas and there were a lot of hispanics. there i assume some of them might have been illegal, i have no idea. but what they wanted is food and water. we were thankful to give it to them. governor scott made it clear when he is one of the poorest the poor areas that no illegal aliens were going to be rounded up because they come forward to get food. >> so it would be your position that this is not the time to try and deal with the policies of
whether one is here illegally or not if they're in need and need food and need help after a natural disaster. you would denounce trying to use ice agents and anyone else in this particular situation? they were getting people out of the dirty water and getting water out of the way and getting power back on and then deal with the substantive issues like daca and immigration reform, veisa enforcement, et cetera. >> what is your position on daca? >> i'm hopeful and i'm an optimistic person, i'm hopeful that we'll be able to couple a daca work permit program with some serious meaningful security reform. you know, half the people in this country that are here illegally came on visas and overstayed them. there is so much talk about walls and things like. that we need to pay attention to the leaky visa system. there is also areas where parts of a wall might work quite well
in the rio grande. if you look at the rio grande west of brownsville where most of the illegal crossings occur, sometimes it is very small. >> so let me get this right. because you said you're optimistic and i'm a preacher, always full of hope. it is sunday morning. so you're saying that you don't care if undocumented immigrants are helped in your state which is something i agree w you also are saying that there should be ways to deal with illegal immigrants coming in and dealing with daca in a humane way. and you only want part of the wall, not the whole wall. maybe i partly agree with that. so there may be hope, congressman, even though you're a republican and i'm not. maybe tl may be hope today that we're at least a part of a wall away? >> we really need to security borders. i think it's an bipartisan issue make shurg we know who is coming
into the country and that we want them and under what circumstances. i think it is also bipartisan that young people that were brought here through no fault of their own and most of whom are evidently employed or doing well in school from what i understand should have some type of work permit opportunity to continue to be here. >> what is the president's program? did the president make a deal when he met with congresswoman pelosi and senator schumer? did he make a deal or not? you're a member of congress. you're a member of the party much has he made a deal? >> i was with him when he came to florida thursday. and the only part of the daca issue that we discussed was the fact that i said i think you did a really smart thing putting the pressure back on congress where it deserves to solve the problem. >> okay. that was a very artful way of not answering me directly but i appreciate you being here. thank you, congressman francis rooney. >> thanks, reverend. >> still ahead, the white house is calling for determination of
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america's favorite game returned with the kick of the nfl's 2017 season. while colin kaepernick remains unemployed, arguably the result of his 2016 protest of the national anthem, the issues his stance has raised have been uniquely timely within the world of sport. and perhaps no other professional football player carried the torch more than seattle seahawks defensive lineman michael bennett who has
opened up about his alleged police detainment after fleeing a las vegas casino disturbance late last month. a detainment he claim was excessive and racially motivated leaving the 280 pound bennett terrified. on wednesday, dozens of luminaries and academics lent their names and support to bennett in a statement of solidarity. among the names colin kaepernick. but the biggest story in sports this week was the white house drama over sports anchor jamal hill's tweet calling president trump "a white supremacist" and a bigot, a tweet that got hill a public reprimand from her employer espn and what many have called a threat from white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders who called it a
"fireable offense" during a press conference wednesday. and anti-trump super pac has since filed a federal ethics complaint against sanders but she doubled down on the language friday just hours after. president trump himself chimed in tweeting that espn is "paying a big price for its politics and should apologize for untruth." but like bennett, hill's friends and fans have her back. among them, colin kaepernick who tweeted "we are with you." our next guests are intimately familiar with the tight rope black athletes have faced when they spoke up about life off the field. we'll be right back.
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i think it is a fireable offense based on the standard that espn has set themselves by saying that people that go too far and make political comments have been suspended from their own network. i think that is a consistency they should focus on. it's not my decision to make for a private company. i was asked specific about that individual. i made a comment. i stand by it. >> that was trump white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders friday towing the white house line that espn anchor jamel hill should lose her job after tweeting that president trump is "a white supremacist." mirroring hill's free speech fight with the white house is nfl player michael bennett's continuing feud with the las vegas police department.
las vegas police department has confirmed that it is currently investigating the athlete's involvement in the disturbance. a move bennett supporters claim is a retaliation for his public condemnation of detainment. so my question, do first amendment rights end when you take the court on the field? or the anchor's chair? joining me now is bill rhoden, sportswriter at large for espn's "the undefeated." he covered sports for nearly 35 years at the "new york times." he's also the author of "forty million dollar slaves." also joining me is former nba champion craig hodges who along with dozens of activists, academics and athletes signed a statement of solidarity with bennett this week.
welcome to both of you. >> thank you so much. >> bill, let me go you to. i've known you for years. we've fwbeen in a lot of these fights around athletes and race for years. i've taken issues that jamel should be suspended. i mean people speak their mind. they're not speaking on behalf of their network. why is espn saying she shouldn't be terminated or responsible for what she says on a private tweet? >> well, al, first of all, thank you for having me on. and particularly with craig hodges who is an american hero. >> appreciate you. >> you know, listen, first of all, they're not -- the white house fortunately is not in the
business of hiring and firing. it's not their call. thank god it's not their call. she is a friend of mine. i support her wholeheartedly. and, of course, the white house, they've been taking this kind of heat and one of beautiful things about jamel is she is a strong black woman. and what you said is that we have -- what you're seeing now whether you're a journalist or a partner, you have a lot of young black people who are saying, no, i'm black first. no, i'm black first. then i'm a journalist. i'm black first then i'm an athlete. >> whether judge or old, the white house that does make nominations around fcc commissioners and has some level of regulation. it's almost intimidating for the standup under white house logo and suggest that that she be fired. someone that we all support her right to express herself.
it is freedom of press and trying to regulate media networks. >> espn has been -- obviously journalist tickly, they got to slap her on the wrist. also they supported her &, you know, the thing is almost 32% of the people who watch espn are black folks. black men and black women. >> and they should respect that. >> let me go to craig who is an american hero. this is also true of athletes that for some reason if they speak out as you have, you have and as now we've seen from colin kaepernick to now bennett that they are in many ways
marginalized in terms of the sport and in some cases punished. so they become heroes on the street. they become punished on the field. >> right. and first of all, brother, i appreciate you, thank you for giving me this opportunity. and you know sh it's part and parcel to what is going on for years. athletes who have certain level of consciousness and you want to support whatever you want to support off the court it shouldn't matter to your ability to get a chance to play. and when i look at what's going on with colin kaepernick and what is happening with jamel, it's a long line of racism that permeates itself within different realms and different -- it's the tentacles of racism that i call it because, you know, when you're an athlete or an entertainer or a sportscaster, you have certain things that go on in your community. and you have to be involved in it. i think jamel who is a friend of mine also, she took a strong
stand and she took a righteous stand as well as michael bennett and colin kaepernick and we have to support them where we can. and that's what i've been trying to do all along especially from colin kaepernick and i had a chance to sit down with michael bennett. it is all a matter that the energy is moving in the right direction. we have continue to it to teach those who haven't been taught. the miseducation part of what is going on in america and politics as well as education. >> and this has been going on because when i was a teenager, we rallied for ali. and now i have in our civil rights group young 19-year-old men coming to me to demonstrate in atlanta for colin kaepernick. and i said right on. i did this as a kid and certainly we all support the right for people to express themselves as you have, craig. >> and you know sh that's the biggest thing is that i'm a child of the civil rights
movement. and when we look at what is really going on, i think the level of -- is really awe human rights situation that is going on now that we have to maintain the certain level of understanding of the thing and we haven't really been educated to the point that the masses, not just black people, but i feel like with white racism and with the supremacy issue, we have to educate white people, man. and those white people are righteous, have to stand forward and come forward and teach their own. right now we're in a critical tipping point in american history and as well as the world that the lessons of the past haven't been taught truthfully. now i think with the young folks standing up there, they're looking for answers. and we have to give them those answers as well as give them historical perspective of things. >> here's jamel hill earlier this month talking about why she chooses to speak out despite her detractors telling her stick to just to sports.
look at this. >> i'm a journalist. should i pretend that colin kaepernick didn't yield? what are you going to be saying 20 years from now when you look back on what you said now? now is the courageous moment to have an opinion about it. the people who want us to stick to sports even though we are, they are more often than not they want us to stick to not talking about things that they disagree with. strangely enough in 2017 people can't agree when something is racist. >> incredible. >> you know, bill, when i watch that and we both acknowledge craig as a real american hero, you are, too. you wrote a book about how they penalize people and pay them a lot of money and troo tone slave them. people say you should stick sports, you were writing in the "new york times." sick to sports bill rhoden and
you wouldn't. here in my opinion is a strong person, jamel, a strong woman who comes in to bill rode entradition of sports journalism. >> let me just say this, al. i think this is really important. you actually were involved in this a number of years. one of the first things we collaborated on with our industry. i think what us from straits her and me is that our industry, the sports journalism industry is one of the most racist pillars in american society. you were getting ready to go after "the new york post," daily news, "new york times," and i think we haven't done. that there are sports organizations whose editors, who refuse to hire black people. and i remember we actually are going to start marching on people. i think one thing that jamel is frustrated by and i am too is that our industry is so racist and the problem with the white house is that it's created an atmosphere where they're telling
white folks it's okay. it's okay not to hire a black folk. it's okay to grab your confederate flag or nazi flag. it's okay to do. that and that's the problem from the top. they're setting this atmosphere where it's okay to be exclusionary. and what you are saying is we're going to fight fire with fire. it's economics. we're going to start boycotting. we're going to start boycotting the organizations who support our enemy. >> but, craig -- >> it's much bigger. it's a much bigger issue. >> it's much larger than that. >> craig, it's a much bigger issue and the insult is that they expect people to continue to support them but not be able to speak to their issues and their concerns. >> absolutely. >> it has nothing to do with whether we agree or not. but i have the right to express myself, particularly if i'm supporting you. >> no question about it. i think that's the part that jamel and what bill did with
this book "forty million dollar slave" it is gives us a true history of things. i think right now those in power understand that it's been a -- it's been totally crooked the way things have been twisted as far as the media can show certain parts of the sport. but they won't go until the -- go in depth of what is needed. right now is needed is a true and clear concise attitude towards these things. i think that's what you're seeing in sisters like jamel and brothers like michael bennett who studied this thing. i think that's what is not happening in america. the history lessons haven't been taught across the board where i went to long beach state to study black studies. to me, everybody in america needs to have some black study lessons. until we're able to see what has thoopd happened to a critical part of our culture and the foundational part of this nation is black
people. i think those who are marching as white supremacists and haven't studied the history are mishe ha miseducated. we have to share the knowledge. we have to share it in a manner that is clear and across the board. but at the same time, we have to stand up against those injustice that's are happening daily and be forthright about them and have -- and be courageous and not be coward about it. >> i'm honored to have two of my heroes, two american heroes. not just african-americans for all americans. both you bill rhoden and craig hodges, two of my heroes. thank you for being with me this morning. >> what's up noah and clo? peace. >> praming note. today marks the beginning of global citizen week here on msnbc. series of events that will take place across new york city and culminate with the 2017 global citizen festival in central park next saturday. later today, i'll be at river side church in manhattan for an
afternoon of dynamic performances and key speakers commemorating the 50th anniversary of dr. martin luther king's beyond vietnam speech. the event called breaking the silence, beyond the dream will be an intergenerational, interfaith program that calls on people from all walks of life to rise up and speak out on injustices facing the world just as dr. king did at river side church 50 years ago. you can watch it, too. it will be live streamed on globalcitizen.org. up next, why does education secretary betsy devoss, what is she trying to do by changing title nine? i'll be right back. this
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sent an open letter to education secretary betsy duvas encouraging her not to undernine title nine that instruct colleges and universities on how to hands will campus sexual assault. the letter comes after her speech last week in which she signaled that obama administration rules governing title nine would be overhauled on her watch. >> what is secretary duvas saying. what will be the impact of this overhaul for viewers that may not understand what title nine really is? >> so let me just say i may be completely biassed here because as a victim of sexual assault
when i was younger, you know, i may have a very, very heightened sense of outrage here. so let me just put that out there. so obviously you want to make sure that there's due process for everyone. but this is what happens on college campuses. one out of five women are assaulted on college campuses. >> one out of five? >> one out of five and they're less than 10% of them report it because they feel like the whole system is rigged against them. so when i heard betsy devos and this saul the facts are out there. so we have to figure out a way that we protect these young women from assaults. and so when i heard betsy devos, i was closing my eyes and listening, all she sounded like was all the rape deniers that we have heard for the last 30 years. and then you couple that with her -- the person who is the acting head of ocr who said oh,
no, this just happens when people are drunk. what civil rights laws are about are to fight against discrimination, to create an equal playing field. and what devos is doing in terms of title nine by ripping out the protections that are really important to basically balance power is that she is hurting women who are going to college, young women who are very vulnerable going to college. civil rights laws are about leveling the playing field. and if you combine what devos proposed in terms of budgets, throwing out all summer school programs, all after school programs, all programs lowering class size, throwing out programs for college students who want to work in the public sector like teachers, the predatory favoring -- favoring the predatory lenders over
students, favoring the for profit college that's defrauded people, what you see here is a picture of someone who is a secretary of education and that favors the powerful over the vulnerable. >> the powerful over the vulnerable. so you're saying with the budge and now with her saying that she wants to overhaul title ix, this is a pattern. >> it's a total pattern, and it's a pattern that hurts individuals that very much need the civil rights protections of the federal government. after brown versus board of education, it was only the federal government that said stop, stop discrimination. you must fund poor kids in schools. and now to do this to young women who are going to college and to say, oh, no, those rape -- you know, we're not giving you the benefit of the doubt anymore. the people who have caused assaults, they're going to have the benefit of the doubt.
>> well, we're going -- >> it's just wrong. >> -- to have to leave it here but we're not going to leave this issue. up next, the senate's only black republican says it's unrealistic to expect the president to have than immediate empathy on race in america. stay with us. you don't let anything lkeep you sidelined. come on! that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein, and 26 vitamins and minerals... for the strength and energy, to get back to doing what you love. ensure, always be you.
president obama met this week with the sole black republican in the united states senate, tim scott. senator scott was quoted after the meeting say, well, you don't expect the president to have immediate empathy on the question of race. i respect senator scott, have had access to him, even respected some of his standing up around the cases of the charleston nine, and about racial profiling in his own life despite my political disagreements with him as a tea
party republican. but for him to say the president shouldn't have immediate empathy on race does not speak to the president being a 71-year-old new yorker. now, i'm from new york, i'm younger than the president, but we grew up around the same kind of racial climate. it was right in the next community from where the president grew up that we had the killing, the racial killing at howard beach. he lived through racial killings in bensonhurst. he took the side of calling for the death penalty in a race-tinged case around the central park five. he knows about race and he's channelled some of those aspects that divided and played on race in his hometown into the national arena. what he needs to do, as someone 71 years old from a city that tried to hide his racial problems until it burst out in cases like the ones i named, is
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alex? >> i'm loving this split screen, rev, it's an honor to split the screen with you so thank you very much. >> i thought there was a choir coming when i saw the white. >> i'm trying to fool everybody. thank you very much, rev. a good morning to all of you, i'm alex witt here in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it is 9 o'clock in the east, 6:00 a.m. out west and here's what's happening. rocket man. a new tweet from president trump within this last hour about the north korean leader with another unique twist. we've got those details ahead. mixed signals. a new report, a new denial from the white house about where the president stands on climate change. why this happens to be in flux two days ahead of his united nations address. facebook revolution. what lies ahead for the social media site after it said it sold political ads to fake russian groups during the election. and this breaking news in britain, a new arrest in the london subway attack. what police have learned about the two men now in custo.