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going to start with reaction this afternoon after president trump this morning posted, shall we say a significant series of tweets? the commander in chief tackling topics from north korea, as was just mentioned, to hillary clinton. this comes after an overnight conversation with south korean leader moon jae-in. trump firing off an apparent shot at north korean leader kim jong-un, saying, "i spoke with president moon of south korea last night, asked him how rocket man is doing. long gas lines forming in north korea. too bad!" top trump administration officials h.r. mcmaster and nikki haley offering up these comments about the president's hard line on north korea on the sunday talk shows. take a listen here. >> have you heard that from the president before or is that a new one? >> well, that's a new one i think maybe for the president, but it reminds me of a cover of "the economist" a few years ago portraying him as rocket man. but of course, that's where the rockets are coming from. rockets, though, that we ought to probably not laugh too much about because they do represent a grave threat to all -- to
everyone. >> i think that the fire and fury, while he said this is what we could do to north korea, we wanted to be responsible and go through all diplomatic means to get their attention first. if that doesn't work, general mattis will take care of it. >> all right, let's go to somerset, new jersey, not far from where the president is at, at his bedminster estate. nbc's kelly o'donnell covering that for us. and kelly, let's start with that. it was an active morning for president trump, getting up and releasing many of his thoughts. and we have done this before. what do you make and what have you been hearing in terms of what he has said so far? >> reporter: well, we did learn some serious things from the president, where he talked about meetings and calls he was having today, things that the white house has not provided any details about. and then, of course, the "rocket man" tweet, as i guess we'll come to call it, does reference that conversation with president moon of south korea, who is really a partner in trying to deal with the threat from the north but also so vulnerable
because of the proximity of his country to the weaponry of kim jong-un. so, what we know is the president has a message that will include north korea when he goes before the u.n. general assembly on tuesday. it will also be broader than that dealing with issues of terrorism, the concerns about the nuclear capabilities of iran and that agreement, and really, the global partnerships that have at times been a real strength from the u.n., but also the president who has been critical of the u.n. wants to see more results and have it not be an american problem when it comes to north korea but one that global partners will take on. so, often we see the president's tweets are sometimes kind of an outburst, something that perhaps is really directed at his base to entertain them, even in a way, or to inform them, and sometimes it is about actual policy and the president's own plans. so, the stakes are really high, richard, for the president this week at the united nations because he's got lots of
meetings with world leaders on a whole range of subjects, one right after another, packed schedule for four days. but despite the fact he's done countless speeches, campaign and as president, appearing before the united nations general assembly is a different kind of level where he is being asked to really set a tone for the world. and so, the stakes are high, the bar is high, and the speech will be judged accordingly. richard. >> all right, thank you so much, kelly o'donnell there in somerset, new jersey, close to the president. thank you, kelly. let's bring in sarah westwood, white house correspondent for "the washington examiner." alexi mccammond with "axios" and scott detrow with npr. great to have all three of you here. so, rocket man, there are several things to take away from this. number one is the tone, which kelly o'donnell is talking about, and this is especially significant because we have the united nations general assembly gathering tomorrow, and she was saying it will be his first address here. words are so important at the u.n. general assembly. however, we have seen in these
world gatherings, not only in europe, but now here in the united states, that that is not going to affect this president's language. what do you make of rocket man based on that context? >> well, it's interesting because there was never any question that north korea was going to be the number one topic on leaders' minds heading into the u.n. general assembly this week that president trump is tweeting with b it the day before he heads to new york for the summit is not entirely surprising. the president is fond of applying nicknames to all of his opponents, in the primaries and once he's become president to his political opponents in congress. but clearly, that's not the kind of language leaders want from president trump. they'll be looking for clarity on the administration's policy when it comes to north korea. because on one hand, you have nikki haley, ambassador to the u.n., calling these the toughest measures imposed against north korea and then president trump calling out hours later calling them not a big deal compared to what ultimately will have to happen. people want to know what does he mean by that? what has to happen? are we looking at a military
option? these are the kinds of questions president trump needs to be able to answer when he comes to the general assembly. tweets like that may not be helpful in reaches those answers. >> looking behind this, alexei, what might be the meat he's expressing through today's tweets? number one, he has spoken with the leader of south korea. important, right, based on the tensions we've been talking about. number two, that he is also saying, well, the rockets that north korea have been testing recently, i may not be worried about this, but should be. >> right, right. his tweets are wholly unhelpful. and i think wasting time coming up with a nickname like rocket man is especially unhelpful. but i think bigger picture, it reflects his strategy for north korea, which you know, these tweets suggest that he is sort of thinking if he keeps shouting about north korea and about north korea via these tweets and in person, then suddenly, eventually, they'll just fall into line and comply with what he wants from them. i don't think that that is, you know, a viable strategy, especially as the leader of our
country, but that's what these tweets sort of suggest, less about the specifics of actual, you know, military plan or a military strategy for north korea and more of what we know trump wants to do, which is yelling until he gets his way. >> scott, your thought? >> i think congress can be mysterious at times, but congress, we know a lot more about it than we know about north korea. and what we've seen in congress over the past few months is president trump's tweets, his threats, his bombbasts are increasingly ignored by congressional leaders. one example, he threatened a government shutdown if there wasn't funding for the wall in the government funding bill that came in september. that bill came, went, was passed, signed, no wall, no shutdown, no veto threat. the question is, how are north korean leaders viewing these twitter threats, this twitter bombbast? and we honestly just don't know the answer. but big picture, tweets aside, president trump is faced with the same challenge every other president has faced, and that is that american leaders just don't simply seem to view any military
action with north korea as worth the risk of millions, hundreds of thousands of people likely dead. >> well, we're also talking about a peninsula, the korean peninsula, where words are bombast, as you brought up, that might be used to characterize the way politics is conducted in some spaces on the peninsula. we'll get more into how this might apply to the u.n. general assembly a little bit later, but i also want to get into another one of the president's expressions, his tweets today. he also came after not only kim jong-un, the president did go after hillary clinton, retweeting a video of her being struck down by a trump golf shot. there we go. and i imagine that has to do with her recent comments from her recently released books. and she was out in the media and we had not heard a lot from the president, but today we do. so, sarah what do you make of that? >> it's actually surprising that we haven't seen more reprisals from president trump from all that we've been hearing from hillary clinton, from the things she wrote about him in her book. all of them were unflattering.
you would think that president trump, he is not one to take a challenge lying down. he normally responds to criticism. but we've seen that his twitter feed has really mellowed out since chief of staff john kelly has come along, and i think that's a reflection of the tight ship he's running there. this is really the first time we've seen trump revert back to the old bombastic ways of twitter. it remains to be seen whether this is an outlier in an otherwise quiet pattern of twitter usage or where he's going to slowly regress back to the way he used it before to sometimes controversial ways. >> wonder if general kelly has a weekly report card, right, where he goes through and he says, oh, my gosh, you know, and then he goes through and grades them all. this is certainly a day where the chief of staff may not have wanted rocket man to be out there, as you were talking about. you know, as we look at his attack and his moves towards hillary clinton here, alexei, this has been -- i mean, the talk has always been, he wants to relitigate the election, right, because of the number of votes, the difference, and that this would be a great time for him to go after hillary clinton
again because she was in the media, but he hasn't, as sarah was saying. this is his first missive. >> right. he tweeted about it i think last week, something about the book that, you know, he wasn't interested in reading it and it was dumb. >> right. >> this tweet is just, it's ridiculous! i mean, as sarah was saying about general john kelly, this is a reflection that he's perhaps not running as tight of a ship as he wants to be. >> not on sundays. >> not on sundays, right? and it's just ridiculous! it's encouraging violence against his political rivals, which is certainly not something the president should be doing. but yeah, i mean, it is a little surprising that he hasn't been tweeting more about clinton, but i think this tweet today was so egregious, it made up for the lack of tweets that he sent in the past few weeks. >> all right, i want to turn to also another development here that we've been watching on a sunday, and scott, this is regarding the russia investigation. when we look at the developments on that, senate judiciary ranking member dianne feinstein, obviously, as you know, as a moderate, shared new details about her committee's interview
with donald trump jr. and said that a public session with him is imminent. take a listen to this. >> it was a five-hour interview. republicans went first for an hour and then democratic staff questioned. i think it's senator grassley's intent, and it's certainly my intent to have him before the committee in the open and be able to ask some questions under oath. it will be this fall. i know that for sure. >> so, as we look at this here, scott, what's your thought? is this a part of a strategy to get him under oath, or is dianne feinstein here signaling how close that they are in finding out if the trump campaign colluded with russia? >> i don't know if they're any closer to that. i think everyone's still viewing this as something that's going to take several more months and possibly into next year. you know, you have new twists coming every way, whether it's the mueller investigation, whether it's the committee investigations, a whole other wrinkle opened up last week with the subpoenas looking at
facebook material and what we all learned about ads that russian operatives or groups may have been buying on facebook. but i think all of this gets back to a broader point that no matter how well john kelly may be trying to refocus the white house, even if he's very successful on that front, you still have all of this russia stuff that happened in the past that is continuing to be investigated. >> right. >> and the president could continue to react to. i mean, imagine -- look at the tweets we saw this weekend -- imagine the tweets we would see if donald trump jr. is testifying in public before the senate and gets questions he doesn't like. >> i know all four of us have been wondering how long this might go, dianne feinstein saying a year, year and a half before we reach the end, which means that which you just talked about, scott, could be going on, in terms of that intensity, for months ahead. thank you so much, sara, alexi and scott. have a good sunday. >> thank you, you, too. the white house pushes back against a report saying the president is reconsidering his position on the paris climate
agreement. how his policies on climate change are likely to be received at the united nations this week. plus, the pageantry of politics. miss america not shying away from climate change controversy in her pursuit of the crown. her political prowess getting plenty of play from "the daily show with trevor noah." we have that. >> you know, i realize it's actually easier to become president than it is to become miss america. [ applause ] because you know -- [ cheers and applause ] because you know what the qualifications are for president?
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we do not seek a regime collapse. we do not seek an accelerated reunification of the peninsula. we do not seek a reason to send our forces north of the demilitarized zone. if our diplomatic efforts fail, though, our military option will be the only one left. >> those measured comments come after the president's tweet this morning about north korea's kim jong-un, saying "i spoke with president moon of south korea last night, asked him how rocket man is doing. long gas lines forming in north korea. too bad!" joining me now is james fay, former country director at the pentagon for north and south korea and stewart patrick, senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and author of "the sovereignty wars." let's start with you on this, if i may, james. what do you make of what the president tweeted, the information that he had spoke with the leader of south korea, his comments about food lines, the issue of the economic health of north korea and what he is trying to communicate? your thought? >> so, when i was at the pentagon, they taught us to be
very precise and truthful with our words, because words matter in public statements, and i worry that the credibility of the united states is being diminished when the president speaks so off the cuff, because everybody is listening, everybody in north korea is watching these tweets very specifically. and insulting a foreign leader that has nuclear weapons is strategically unwise, to say the least. and you know, at worst, it is dangerous, irresponsible, and all over the rhetoric map, all over the map rhetoric from the trump administration really hurts our negotiating hand in the future. >> this is not new, stewart. the question is, as he's trying to say to the leader of north korea, look, your rockets, i'm calling you rocket man because i'm trying to belittle you, just as he's used the word sleepy eyes before, right, of the north korean leader. there's also the idea that you're not doing well economically, so you've got your own problems. but let's dig into that reality. is that the reality, though,
that's on the ground, economically struggling from what you understand this president is trying to say? >> i think that what the president is trying to say is that the situation on the ground is one in which u.n. sanctions are beginning to bite, and this is obviously a desperate circumstance for the people and the government of north korea. the difficulty is that the military option is really almost entirely -- it's unrealistic. it would lead to huge numbers of casualties in south korea, our closest ally, and they're not enthusiastic at all about the use of military force. so it seems to me as if it's a lot of bluster. it doesn't have much diplomatic backing. and frankly, as you're going into the united nations for the starting of the u.n. general assembly, it's the worst sort of unilateral action, and you're not rallying the international troops behind you, which is really what you need to do.
>> the concern about the technology -- we're showing a picture of the missile test from friday -- is it's ability and what it can reach, and there are various estimates, number one that it can reach guam, which is the tip of the spear, as those at the pentagon like to call it, right? and that is where we base b-1 bombers. that is the farthest western location, base, that is still a u.s. territory or in the united states itself. so when we look at that, james faeh, that is a big concern. that is really what they're driving at. and how might we respond based on that reality, that capability, that just was released on friday? >> i think we need to respond with clear, concise strategy, working hand in hand with our allies and partners in the region. and i have to say that, you know, from what we're hearing so far, twitter trolling is not a strategy. it's just not. the president needs to take the hip democratic oath when it comes to foreign policy first of
do no harm, because he really needs to ratchet down tensions with our allies and partners, rather than raising them. >> he is speaking, according to his tweets, to the president of south korea, which is a concern, because they might also overreact, quote/unquote, right, based on the proximity. >> that's right. >> wouldn't you agree with that? >> that's right, and in very close coordination with our allies is essential so that we don't have accidental escalation. that's the thing i worry about the most. with two leaders who do not want to appear in public as if they are backing down, it could be very easy to find ourselves in a situation where someone makes a mistake and we're off to the races. and when we're talking about nuclear weapons, you can't mess around. >> stewart? >> i agree. i think that this is a situation where not only are there no good military options available, it strikes me that it's full of bluster, and i think that kim jong-un actually has the president's number. >> is it in china? is that where this might be aimed at? >> we've obviously tried to get china to exert its leverage as
much as possible on north korea. they have -- frankly, they don't want kim jong-un to continue in this manner, but frankly, they also -- it's on a lower ranking of their priorities. they don't want to see the regime in pyongyang collapse because they're worried about a united korea that would bring usgis conceivably to the border of china, and they're also worried about a collapse that would have millions, tens of millions of refugees on their borders. so, to the degree that he's an irritant, kim jong-un actually helps chinese foreign policy. >> yeah, that complex of multilateral negotiations when it comes to hard and soft power. we'll see as they lay out the fabric, shall we say, for the u.n. general assembly, how that all pans out come monday. i know the two of you will be listening when he speaks on tuesday as well. appreciate your time, james faeh, stewart patrick. >> thank you, richard. >> thank you. four u.s. tourists injured in an acid attack in france. what we know there about the woman in custody and what the
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the as ycid. they say she is 41 years old with a history of mental illness. french police stressed that this was not an act of terrorism. nevertheless, it is a horrific attack, richard, that left two american girls with severe injuries and two others in a state of shock. richard? >> all right, thank you so much, nbc's claudio loe vongo. we'll stay on top of that in terms of the conditions of the two americans and their health. during his meetings at the united nations general assembly, president trump is expected to be challenged on his decision to pull out of the paris climate accord. the white house reiterated its position in a statement yesterday, saying "the united states is withdrawing unless we can re-enter on terms that are more favorable to our country." that statement came on the heels of a "wall street journal" report suggesting the trump administration was reconsidering its position and seeking to avoid a withdrawal. french president emmanuel macron is expected to take the lead in lobbying for stronger environmental protections at the u.n. for more, i'm joined by jake
levine, former energy and climate adviser to president obama. jake, now, we're hearing a couple messages coming out. >> yeah. >> number one, nothing has changed, number one. number two, we're hearing, but we are also looking, the united states, at conditions at which the united states can re-engage. what is new based on these statements that you've heard? >> sure. well, it's certainly confusing, and i think this is a sort of confusion that we're now starting to get a little bit used to here with the trump administration. remember what happened last week on daca and the announcements that the administration might be moving in a different direction there. you know, ultimately, what we need to do here, richard, is take a look at the actions that the trump administration is taking. actions speak much louder than any words coming out of the administration, being reported in the "journal" or otherwise. and what's going on is that the epa and other agencies are working hard to dismantle various climate regulations, which, of course, as you know, are the foundation on which the u.s. contribution to the climate
accords is based. so, to the extent that there may be some confusion, some back-and-forth on what's going on in paris, it's really somewhat of a red herring. and the real thing that we need to be taking a close look at here is what are the domestic actions, what are the policies that this administration is pursuing. >> i want to correct the white house statement. we'll put it on screen right now. it says, "there has been no change in the united states' position on the paris agreement. as the president has made abundantly cleerks the united states is withdrawing unless we can re-enter on terms that are more favorable to our country." again, from a white house official. i just wanted to put that out in full for us in our discussion here. so, if there is a slight shift. and again, the white house statement is that there is not. is this not good and is this not part of the ideology of this white house that, change, it's okay? >> well, richard, first of all, just taking a look at that statement, it's helpful to see it out there in writing. it really reflects a fundamental
misunderstanding of what the paris agreement is. this is a set of nonbinding, voluntary, domestic contributions that each country makes. there isn't a set of terms to which the u.s. is being held accountab accountable, other than the terms that the u.s. government sets. so, sure, would it be great if the u.s. rejoined the negotiations? absolutely. and frankly, the fact that the administration is even willing to consider sort of giving up this seat at the table to other countries -- china, canada, the eu -- >> what might that be for this white house where they would re-engage, do you think? >> well, i think, look, they've talked a lot about terms that are better for the american people, that are better for american workers. what they ought to be embracing is this clean energy dynamo that we have in our economy. this is the fastest growing sector of the economy. we have more jobs in solar, wind than we do in coal, gas. and so, what the administration ought to be looking at and what they could do to re-engage in a very positive and meaningful way is to think about how this clean
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welcome back. i'm richard lui at headquarters in new york city. a short time from now, president trump will be in new york city ahead of his first address to the united nations general assembly and a week of meetings with foreign leaders. the president will also host a meeting with japanese leaders to
discuss the nuclear threat coming from north korea. protests turned violent for a second night in st. louis, this following the acquittal of a white former police officer in the shooting death of a black driver. authorities arrested nine demonstrators, several businesses, and cars were vandalized in the university city area. and a second arrest has been made in connection with friday's london subway attack. a 21-year-old man was arrested for a possible role in the explosion that injured 29 people. many world leaders still do not know what to make of president trump as he gets ready to speak at his first u.n. general assembly this week. close to 130 heads of state are expected to be in attendance when the commander in chief delivers his first address to the general assembly on tuesday. according to national security adviser h.r. mcmaster, the president will emphasize three primary goals for the united states at these meetings. number one, peace, prosperity, as well as sovereignty and accountability by all member nations. other expected topics are climate change and u.n. sanctions aimed at trying to
rein in north korea's nuclear program. joining me now is democratic strategist danielle moody mills and gop strategist bo rothschild. thanks both for being here. danielle, this is an important address, and the issue of language and how he will be received in the general assembly. you watch every single poll internationally, this president is not liked in very large numbers. they do not like his tone, they do not like his language, and he will be echoing that drum beat of america first. how will he be accepted? >> i'm not sure how he's going to be accepted, to be honest, because frankly, we've watched him now at several summits, at the g-20, where he had ivanka sit in for him, which was unprecedented. we've watched his behavior, the fact that he's bullying leaders of countries on twitter is just incredibly problematic. so they don't know what to expect from him. they don't know what's going to come out of his mouth. no one knows what trump they're going to get on whatever day.
and so, i think this will be a very interesting engagement this week to see, because he has been touting this america first, which is this very nationalistic ideology that doesn't look at the rest of the world and how we were a leader to the rest of the world, and we're isolated, and he is isolating us, and we're seeing that, and that is terrifying. >> isolation amongst very difficult times, right? and bo, one of those difficult issues, north korea, and he addressed that today in some of his posts in social media. the question is, with north korea sitting in the front row and this being a culture of if i don't like this leader, i stand up and i walk out. this is the way it works at the u.n. during the general assembly. will this happen when president trump does address? >> well, i can't speak for the rest of the people, but i definitely think that the president is going to talk about an america first agenda, how a
more world -- you know, a more stronger america is better for the world and a safer world. so i don't think -- you know, i can't speak to the other u.n. people in the audience, but i think he is definitely going to be american first. and i'm sure there are going to be some people who don't like what he has to say. >> yeah, and i think what you're doing there, beau, is understanding the thematics behind the united nations and its very founding and what it was attempting to do was not this idea of nationalism, at least not on its foundation. >> well, i agree with that, but you know, in world war ii times, i think a stronger america, just like trump said, and that's how he got elected, a stronger america is better for the world and a peaceful world and a stronger -- and as reagan's fundamentals came in during the cold war, america is better --
no, the world is better when america is stronger economically and stronger militarily. and i think that's a lot what you're going to hear when trump speaks. >> right. >> this week. >> according to h.r. mcmaster, right in terms of what we're hearing. danielle -- and i was really alluding to not only the very fundamental reason why it exists, but number two, this year's theme, focusing on people, striving for peace and a decent life for all on a sustainable planet. and so, danielle, if the president does come out with that sort of background and say, but i just want to talk about our country and what's good for us, that doesn't seem to sync. >> no, it's not. it goes completely against the mission of the u.n., which is about bringing countries together, right, to tackle major issues like climate change, which the president doesn't believe in, like science, which he also doesn't believe in. and so, how do you tackle these issues when america used to lead on these issues and we literally have an administration that denies facts? and so, i'm interested to see
what the president is going to say, what he's going to offer, because he hasn't done anything in terms of revitalizing america, in terms of fixing our infrastructure, putting people back to work. nothing of that nature has transpired over the last nine months. so this idea of a stronger america, yes, of course, america needs to be strong, but we also need a strong leader, one that we don't have right now. >> beau, what happens if donald trump the ad-libber, which he does quite well with that sort of messaging to his base on the campaign trail, and we've seen that very recently, still, if that donald trump shows up, how might that be absorbed by those at the u.n., a space that's used to so much protocol? >> i think you're going to see a very prepared donald trump talking about america first and how the -- >> so you think he will not be the ad-lib donald trump. >> no, i don't think so. >> okay. >> i think he's going to be well prepared, just like he was at the apac speech during his
campaign. i think he's going to be extremely prepared and extremely presidential. >> and what will you be watching for specifically, quickly here, beau, in terms of what he says? >> i will be watching -- my passion is israel. >> israel. >> and i'm going to be watching what he says about the iran nuclear deal. >> although the word is that they don't believe they'll get very far on that. danielle, quickly, what will you be watching for this week? >> the fact that i know he will not be presidential and/or prepared. >> disagree. >> so i'm going to watch and see what kind of gaffs he has. >> danielle moody mills, thank you. utter devastation. these latest images from barbuda, and now the island is bracing for what could be yet another hurricane. plus, the emotional homecoming for those returning to the florida keys. for the first time since irma ravaged that region.
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right now. we've got hurricane jose still more than 400 miles off the coast of north carolina with maximum sustained winds of nearly 80 miles an hour. that's expected to move north, bringing rain and wind to the northeast later this week. you can see there the cone of uncertainty. and we're keeping a close eye on tropical storm maria, which is expected to intensify into a hurricane very soon. that poses a major threat to the islands of antigua and barbuda in the caribbean. the same areas hit twice by hurricanes in two weeks. this video shows the devastation in barbuda, completely wiped out there by irma. 1,700 people normally live there. now it is completely deserted. the power grid, phone lines and water treatment plant all decimated. lucy kafanov is in the florida keys, where residents are finally returning home for the first time since irma. what's it been like for folks coming home, and as they look at what used to be and is no longer there? >> reporter: well, richard, we're about to find out live.
i'm here with jimmy and piper stefan. they are homeowners who have returned to big pine key island for the first time. let's go inside your home and take a look, try to understand the destruction that's been brought here a week after hurricane irma, a category 4 storm rolled over the florida keys. what are we looking at, guys? this used to be your living room. >> this was the living room. this was completely clear. back in here you see the wall where it's out. that was part of the kitchen. there is a bathroom, i think, on the other side. and -- >> there's stuff in here that doesn't belong to us, and i'm sure ours is somewhere else, too. >> reporter: and the seaweed on the ground, too. let's step in a little bit more. >> be careful. >> reporter: carefully, too. this is what thousands of residents across the keys, richard, are experiencing right now. this is the first time they've been allowed back here. now, you guys knew that there
was damage here. is this what you expected to see? >> no, originally, we saw satellite images where we could zoom in only so far, and then never -- and then we had a few taken inside, but obviously, they didn't do -- they didn't show the whole picture. this is devastating. >> yes. we were hopeful when we first saw the satellite images, but not so much now. >> reporter: i mean, the seaweed on the ground, a tire from i don't know what -- i'm assuming you did not have a tire here. this was your kitchen, correct? you can still see the plates. >> there were islands there. there was a wall in between there. you're looking at -- when you're looking through here, there were walls. when that water came, it blew out -- blew it in and out. >> reporter: and you guys purchased this home four years ago. >> we did. we purchased it four years ago, and it was our dream. we moved down here five months ago, and we've wanted to buy in the keys for almost 30 years.
and -- >> finally happened, and then, man. >> you know, there's not much you can say about it. it's really overwhelming, having just got here. so, you know, all i can say is, you know, you feel for your neighbors, feel for today's our day to grieve and we'll get over it and go forward. that's kind of the keys comp style. they can take a lick and -- >> reporter: power through it. i'm sorry we had to meet under such kricircumstances, but than you for sharing your story. this is one of thousands of stories across the keys as they look at what the damage was by hurricane irma and how they're going to pick up the pieces to get their lives back in order. richard? >> so tough for them. thank them both for being with us, and of course, our best to them as they now try to recover from that there in the florida keys. just glad they're safe. nbc's lucy kafanov with their story. thank you, lucy. miss america getting a little political. the pageant winner who expressed
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i realized if he was in that competition, president trump would have finished behind last. >> 195 countries signed the paris agreement in which each country sets nonbinding goals to reduce manmade climate change. the u.s. is withdrawing from the agreement. good decision? bad decision? which is it and why? >> yeah, i mean, something could happen with respect to the paris accord. we'll see what happens. but we will talk about that over the coming period of time, and if it happens, that will be wonderful, and if it doesn't, that will be okay, too, but we'll see what happens. but it is -- >> i do believe it's a bad decision.
once we reject that -- thank u you -- once we reject that, we take ourselves out of the negotiating table. there is evidence that climate change exists. whether or not you believe that, you have to be at the table, and i think it's a bad decision on behalf of the united states. thank you. >> wow! [ cheers and applause ] wow! she seems so much more prepared than donald trump. >> that's right. that was "daily show" with trevor noah's take on pageant contestant versus the president, having a little fun with it along the way. last weekend, 23-year-old cara mund became the first contestant from north carolina to be crowned miss america. the miss america organization is now being accused of getting too political after contestants were asked during the interview portion of the pageant about alleged trump/russia collusion, removal of confederate statues and the paris climate accord. i'm joined by new miss america 2018, cara mund. congratulations to you! >> thank you so much. this is an honor to be here. >> oh, it's great!
it's an honor for me to be speaking with you, and not only because of obviously an answer that many would appreciate just because of your thoughtfulness around it, but i wanted to get your response first about the criticism of the questions perhaps being too political. what would be your response to that criticism? >> yeah, i think one thing that's really important to realize is that the miss america organization is the largest scholarship provider to women. and so, when you're up there in that top five question, you know, you expect those women to be scholars. they should be aware of what's going on in the world. they should have an opinion. and while that opinion may not be the opinion of everyone, that's just the nature of politics. she should be able to say why she believes what she believes and be able to back it. so, i actually appreciate that the questions were difficult. you know, we're in a situation where we're on national television. and you know, you want to make sure that those women up there, we're scholars, we're able to answer those difficult questions. >> and climate change was the topic that you addressed here in terms of understanding the issue. your opinion was that the united
states should re-engage, should have a seat at the table. we have president trump, at least the white house administration, we understand that they are potentially looking at re-engaging with some new possibilities. what's your reaction to that piece of news that came out over this weekend? >> yeah, well, i like to say i helped make that decision. >> was he listening to you i segesse what i'm saying? >> i mean, that would be great, and that would just show the influence that we have in that as miss america, i have a voice and i'm being heard. and so, i'm grateful for that opportunity. >> all right. so, we mentioned how impressive this is for you as a winner. >> yes. >> again, you want to be the first female governor of north dakota, the first representative from north dakota as well. senator john hoeven tweeted this, by the way, the night that you won -- "congratulations to our former intern and miss america on being crowned miss america. you make north dakota proud!" you make america proud here, too, cara, but i want to read a couple more things. brown university is where you trained, then went to the radio
city rockettes. you founded north dakota's make-a-wish fashion show at the age of 14. all these things go on and on and on. you want to run for governor? and why? >> yes. i think i just proved, you know, it doesn't matter how many people along the way tell you that you can't accomplish something. the only one who can really define your limitations is yourself, and i've already kind of broke these boundaries. i did become the first miss america from north dakota, so why can't i become the first female governor of the state as well? >> might you go into federal politics? one of the statistics that has been put up against your move into politics is that, for instance, congress has only 20% of women represented in that body. would you think of running for a national office? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. i'm actually fortunate. so, my name was mentioned on both the floors of the house and the senate. >> right. >> so i think it's just bringing more awareness and having women representation in the senate as well. >> the only bad decision i think you made is going to notre dame instead of michigan law, but that's okay. that's all right. i won't say anything else.
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