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that does it fon our hour. our thanks to our panel and "mtp daily" starts right now with steve kornacki in for steve. >> nicolle, thanks for that. if it's monday, identity crisis, hitting the world stage. tonight, the trump identity. could the president's art of the deal with democrats signal changes in his foreign policy? >> reform is what we're talking about. >> plus -- 2018 predictions. we'll talk to senator chris van hollen about the democratic strategy to take back the senate. and moore versus strange. how the president is putting his political capital on the line in the alabama senate battle. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. and good evening.
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i'm steve kornacki in new york in for chuck todd and welcome to "mtp daily." welcome to another day dominated by major questions about this president's political identity, as parts of his base signal a potential revolt. world leaders gather at the united nations general 'ably urging trump to reconsider withdrawing from a pair of deals pillars of barack obama's foreign policy. the iran nuclear deal and the paris climate accord. it's become abundantly clear the president needs the help due to north korea. we asked the president when he suddenly started making deals with democrats to save the democrats' daca program and ask louder tonight. is donald trump moving towards a more conventional presidency or will a steve bannon wing of the presidency reassert itself,
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perhaps forcefully, if it has to. and often flooding the zone with mixed signals. the president gears up to address the united nations general assembly for the first time tomorrow, we're not even sure what he thinks be a the group he will be talking to. campaign trump was very clear that he saw the u.n. as a foe. >> the united nations is not a friend of democracy. it's not a friend to freedom. it's not a friend even to the united states of america whereas you know it has its home. >> but president trump was asked about his message to the u.n. now, and he said, "the main message is, make the united nations great. such tremendous potential and i think we'll be able to do this." then mixed signals on the paris climate agreement dealing with china when it comes to north korea and the iran nuclear agreement. could we really end this year with president trump willing to save dhaka ock daca, and vowing
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leave that and staying in the iran nuclear deal, despite lambasting it and embracing the u.n. despite attacking it and working with china despite literally saying they are out to "rape our country" or could we see this president and daca, can't save it, leave the paris agreement, earliest opportunity, undermine the world deal, alienators at the u.n. and start a trade war with china crippling and causing war with north korea? raising stakes there. hallie jackson joins us, and also with me, michael crowley, politico's national security editor and senior foreign affairs correspondent. so thanks for being here. we set the stakes, hallie. >> yeah. laid it out there. >> one of the questions i think people look to in terms of what
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direction trump's going to go is where is he getting guidance behind the scenes? steve bannon no longer in the white house day to day. kelly in charge of a lot of information coming to the president. what do we know about what's going on behind the scenes and how it could shape the answer to those questions. >> and who is looking to shape it and who probably is not having as much influence shaping it, secretary of state rex tillerson. clear by a lot of accounts. who steps into the role when it comes to foreign policy? as always, his son-in-law and daughter are involved in foreign policy. this is an interest of jared kushner, part of his portfolio. steve bannon gone, that said, i don't want to call it a hangover, but the steve bannon hangover is lingering in the west wing when it comes to foreign policy. already withdra drawn from the paris climate agreement. and a defense this morning ahead of that critical one-on-one with the french president earlier this afternoon. i think general kelly based on
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what i hear from folks in the west wing, not just information flow he's looking at but somebody who played a part in stepping in some of these policy decisions along with secretary mattis over at doj when it comes to north korea. >> and talk about what world lead leaders see when they look at the questions posed and look at donald trump. what's their read? which donald trump have they seen? a sense at all? >> no. when you talk to foreign diplomats, that ask you, what's going on? they're reading news, parsing headlines but feel there's an answer behind the scenes we can tell them, what's the special sauce that makes this worm? the answer, people are still trying to figure it out and the donald trump of monday might not be the donald trump of tuesday. you just don't know. but he comes in to a somewhat hostile environment based on things said about the united nations and contempt he's shown for a lot of international
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agreements popular with this crowd. finally people will be somewhat braced. whether you get a standard, typical american president speech, turned out certainly more critical of the united nations and the iran deal than barack obama would have been but basically okay from that perspective. or like vintage campaign donald trump going on a tirade, awkward but not out of the question. >> and the basically the speech has been written for days. something we haven't seen. delivering a classic campaign steege pre-written. much more ad-libbed and not a setting based on past experience he would do that. don't forget the person who sets policy really is, it's what donald trump wants. >> and that's the other issue. talk about the influence of bannon and that faction of the party, but there's a history here of donald trump going back to the 1980s when he started speaking out on public policy. when it comes to foreign policy,
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a guy with a lot of isolationist instincts, a lot of go it alone instincts and ultimately shown his own distaste for a lot of the ideas behind sort of the u.n.? >> isn't it an interesting juxtaposition? a guy you're right about that. he is isolated. campaigned on that. campaigned on america first and putting it on the world stage. same time, look at interaction with foreign leaders. critical of developing relationships sometimes enjoys sitting down, meeting with people and interacting with them. that has, i don't want to say shifted viewpoints but certain played to -- >> the question for global leaders trying to figure him out. see him as more persuadable than coming in? syria, afghanistan, moves he's made running counter to what was said during the campaign? >> and more encouraged feeling this is a man not committed to what they said on the campaign
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trail? doesn't feel held down by his campaign promises. flexible. he said, it looks different now that i'm sitting behind the desk. words i never thought i would hear donald trump say, but two quick points to add. one on the question when trying to figure out what he stands for and what he's communicating, at this point they don't know whether secretary of state rex tillerson will still be around. a story in politico, how much longer and whether nikki haley is angling for his job? diplomats are thinking, maybe get to know nikki haley better? on the prepared speech. given them is and not delivered them in full, caused a ruckus in brussels and skipped a passage reaffirming to the mutual defense treaty. even written ahead of time, you never know when trump will trump. >> interesting at the podium. right in front of him. always a chance he goes off and
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says his own thing there. thanks to both of you for being with us. when it comes to the white house shift towards a more conventional-file presidency you wonder how the trump failful reacts if he goes in that direction? i mentioned when it comes to the president's foreign policy, an isolationist view at least at times from him. >> america first will be the major and overriding theme of my administration. >> this was a deal at the highest level of incompetence. the deal with iran. >> the united nations is not a friend of democracy. it's not a friend to freedom. >> we will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism. the nation state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony. >> nato is obsolete. it's old, it's fat, it's sloppy. >> the paris climate deal -- >> we will cancel this deal so that our companies can compete.
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>> and i will submit under article 2205 of the nafta agreement that america intends to withdraw from the deal. >> we will never enter america into any agreement that reduces our ability to control our own affairs. >> and let's bring in tonight's panel. msnbc contributor and princeton professor eddie grout, and "real clear politics" susan del percio. susan, start with you. a wild card. we don't know exactly which trump will show up tomorrow and from that point forward which trump maybe we'll see a week from now. it struck me during the campaign, the pieces just played, those lines had resonance with the republican party base. donald trump, the rhetoric he was offering them, it resonated. they got behind him. donald trump shows up tomorrow with a conciliatory message
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towards the united nations, a more conventional message you expect from a more conventional president, how does his base react? >> just fine. the next day donald trump will put out a tweet to appease them on another issue. the way donald trump runs his base. the base that will never leave him because he will never forget them. i expect him to be president's tomorrow. i expect him to be presidential every day, but i do expect him to be presidential tomorrow and not have a speech that will please the base so much, but it won't necessarily turn them off. >> i guess that's the other question. talks about he has the speech apparently written. a question whether he shows up and says something else. do we have a sense who donald trump thinks his audience is tomorrow? the people in front of him from around the world? is he thinking of his base? remembering he tried to cancel, announcement on the paris accord, clearly thinking of his base. do we know who he thinks his audience is? >> a good question. we know the prepared text and
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that he add libs a lot. you can follow along and see where he ad-libs a little bit. interesting about this, this isn't the first time he sticks to script we've seen him div ya deviate from the campaign promises in terms of america first. he acknowledged the fact the presidency has changed some of the situations at hand. right? there are things out of his control that he has since encountered. on north korea, a great example of that. syria, another example. when he decided to launch strikes, but i think the way in which he frames this, i think, is really important in terms of speaking to his base. when he talks about national security -- talks about it in a national security lens, i think that's what they respond to. >> how about outside of his base, eddie? the news folks not with trump all along have been hearing the last few weeks, first to deal with democrats on the debt ceiling, the government shutdown, then maybe a deal with democrats on preserving president obama's daca order. the potential, more of the potential to go to the u.n. and
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deliver a message very un-trumpian. how is this registers to folks outside of his base? >> fits with the generdescripti he's invested in trump. i'm interested to see whether or not the speech turns out to be a frankenstein-like thing. that somehow it tries to split the difference between his national sovereignty, nationalism and the internationalism. so i'm framing it from terms of bannon. national sauv reovereignty and k he'll give something to both sides. >> reporting the other day that caught my attention that said, since bannon is gone and since you've got kelly in there as chief of staff in the white house now, a folder that trump gets every morning with press clippings. sort of sets his agenda for the day. mental agenda in terms of what he puts out on twitter and the content of that folder, the
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reporting said, changed substantially. no more breitbart stuff getting into that folder. a lot more, quote/unquote, mainstream outlets getting into that folder. donald trump, doesn't necessarily use the internet in the same way others do and relies more on that printed out content could, have a big impact? >> could, but he watches cable tv morning, noon and night. still that outlet open to him and twitter open to him for those things. but what kelly has done is, also interesting we talk about it in the last couple weeks. the things he's putting in the folder generally have good reviews for the first time for more moderate or mainstream -- >> kelly's almost reinforcing the mainstream coverage? >> correct. doing a manipulation of a different kind, if you will. that's fine. you know, as long as the president is seeing a broad array of news information and things. i mean, i'd rather have him focus on his national security briefings than his press
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clipping, but at least more balance, that's better for all of us. >> and is kelly succeeding in some way producing a slightly at least different kind of president? >> i think that he has shown to be capable of managing the staff. right? which was the first big hurdle for him. we've seen that the president, you know, go back to twitter over the past couple days. e were saw him, though, handling the hurricane in a different kind of a more executive kind of role. i think he received positive praise for that. i also keep thinking about this in the context of that afghanistan policy speech, where he was very subdued. reading from script, and he was widely praised by the republican party. and then he will do things that speak directly to his base. i wouldn't be surprised if you saw that engagement tomorrow. >> the other thing. apparently, look, saw breitbart last week. the voice, really, of the trump base from the campaign, upset about the news of the daca deal. and if not getting breitbart in
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the daily briefing but the tv on to fox news, they weren't nearly as critical as breitbart was. >> right. there's always a question of how will he manage his base? the people who will stick with him if he shot someone in the middle of the street, or however he described it. there's that question. we have to grapple with this -- on the one hand we think of him as not ideological. bannon filling the empty vessel. then the other kinds of comments that there are instincts that trump has. right? instincts you noted in the last segment we heard from in the 1980s that's consistent with some of the stuff that bannon was kind of feeding him. so there's something there. and i think when we hear him speak tomorrow, right? we're going to see the ways in which that "there" is channelled to speak to the base and to the mainstream public. >> and do the speech tomorrow, stay on talking points, my guess. convey a strong message, a message that shows that words do matter, but then he's going to go to a campaign rally later this week and he's going to get
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into his trump mode and feed his base that way. >> trying to say we think he's not ideological, but there is a there, there and we have to figure it out. >> we'll get a sense of it tomorrow, as you say, susan, maybe just "a sense." eddie, kaitlyn, susan, stay with us. back to you shortly. coming up, is hillary clinton casting doubt on the legitimacy of president trump? and with democratic liede elead working with the president, can they run campaigns against limb in 2018? stay with us.
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>> back to the question would you completely rule out the legitimacy of this election if we learn the russian interference is deeper than we know now? >> i would not. >> you're not going to rule it out. >> no, i wouldn't rule it out. >> become wack to "mtp daily," hillary clinton talking to terry gross, host of "fresh air" on. mpr. clinton's book tour thrust her back into the limelight and comments will loom large over democrats especially those running in 2018. do they embrace her and relitigate the 2016 campaign? move further left, closer to senator bernie sanders and the progressive policy he's pushing on capitol hill? joining me now, chris van hollen of maryland and chairman of the democratic senatorial campaign committee. senator, thanks for joining us. let me ask you about those comments coming out this
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afternoon. hillary clinton in that conversation on npr says she may end up questioning the legitimacy of donald trump's presidency in his election. is that a view that you share? something you think you might end up questioning? >> steve, what i think needs to happen is, we need to continue to vigorously pursue the investigation into russian collaboration with the trump campaign. that's what the special counsel rob mueller is doing. what is being done on capitol hill, although i think we need to accelerate and strengthen that effort. i wish we had an independent mission, but i don't know of anybody questioning the vote count and the fact that president trump is the president. but these investigations may show wrongdoing in the campaign and then, you know, congress will have to decide whether or not there are any actions that should be taken or the special counsel. so that's the way i see it right now. >> and -- >> i am pleased early on you flagged the immediate issue we're facing here on capitol hill, which is a clear and
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present danger of the republicans trying -- >> i want to get into that, senator, and we're going to in one second. one more question here on hillary clinton's comments here. >> sure. >> let me ask you this from the standpoint, i imagine a republican listening to what she's saying, look, in the 2018 mid-terms democrats running to get back control of congress. telling me, they get in krog of congress, impeach donald trump in an election they didn't think was legitimate? what about that? >> no one is talking about impeachment. i should say no one in the democratic leadership in house or senate is talking about impeachment. we are talking about getting to the bottom of what happened and that's why special counsel's work is se important and the work on capitol hill is so important. >> turn to this issue of health care. we set it up a minute ago. looks like republican wos like to take another pass here on this graham-cassidy bill. saw their defections. three last time. do the math. do you think republicans face
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the same obstacle or have they shorn up their internal support here? >> well, i think they face the same obstacle, but this is sort of a last-minute effort. so what i worry about is that they're not going to hear the outpouring of opposition that we saw on rounds one and round two. this is kind of a sneak attack. i just want to ask everybody, stay in the game here. stick with us. make sure you contact your senators. make sure that they do not support this latest effort to try to destroy the affordable care act and really create chaos within our whole health care system. it is a clear and present danger. >> you mentioned, too, this seems like a sort of last-minute move. didn't seem to be on anybody's radar are in recently. some of our reporting from nbc news suggests at least a possibility here that the democrats say, quoting from a story here from one of my leagues, democrat single payer push announced last week motivated republicans who realize, "their window is
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closing to get this done." 17 senators led by bernie sanders announcing a push for single payer. a connection between democrats saying that last week and republicans trying this this week? >> i do not. this has been the republican effort from the very beginning. the reason they're trying to jam this through right now is they had a ruling from the senate parliamentarian, to pass this with 51 votes they have to do it before the end of september. that's what's driving their calendar and driving the last-ditch effort. if we get to october they need 60 votes and 48 democratic senators won't allow that to happen. destroy the affordable care act. >> at the push for single payer last week. by my math, a little more than a third of democrats. folks caucuses with democrats in the senate. now onboard with single payer.
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can't remember the number ever being that high or has didn't before. if i say i vote for the democrats am i going to get single payer, what would you say? >> first i would say, our priority has to be to defeat this effort to overturn the affordable care act and senator sanders has been clear that is priority number one. number two, i think we need to hear all sorts of ideas about how we continue to expand affordable coverage. we need universal coverage. our health care system is not perfect and i welcome all ideas out there. end of the day, steve, the democratic sflarts enators in e these states will talk to their constituents and decide what is best for each of their states and that's how they will vote and guide their decisions. >> i do wonder, too, if it speaks to the -- this is an individual single payer highlights, but seen it in other areas, i think. the energy you're seeing among the democratic base right now. the sort of activist energy
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obviously this is a presidency, a president as a cultural figure, a political figure who brings out a lot of strong feelings in people. is that energy broadly speaking pushing the democratic party to the left? >> i think that energy is pushing more and more people, democrats and people who were not involved in the political process to get engaged in the political process. i've had town hall meetings on health care issues and other issues. just had a town hall on health care in baltimore city this past weekend. a lot of people turning out. and, again, their number one priority was to do no harm, stop the republicans from destroying the affordable care act, and then let's come together and figure out how to take next steps, reduce costs of prescription drugs and get to university coverage. >> democrat from maryland. that for taking time. >> thank you. and still ahead, a strange senate race. how the race for alabama's
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and welcome back. right now there is another hurricane threatening some of the same places that have barely begun recovering from irma. maria, updated to category 4, remaining a major hurricane the
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next few days and rapidly intensifying approaching the island of martinique. could be the first category 4 or 5 hurricane to hit puerto rico since back in 1928. forecasters are worried this year we could see "catastrophic damage." maria is also taking aim at the virgin islands. it is not clear yet which islands will be hit the hardest. many of those islands, of course, are trying to recover from the devastation caused by irma. our chuck todd recently visited there, st. thomas and st. john with new york city mayor michael bloomberg. >> there's another storm out there today. lots of this will be going on and just the cost of recovery is going to bankrupt us. texas and florida get a lot of the attention. >> here people need it, too. while the federal government can mobilize, they can only do so much at a time, and so we can come here and do something, get some people, explain to the
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governor how to do things. we've been there and done it before. >> and still ahead, on "mtp daily," how the outcome of alabama's senate race this fall could impact president trump's political capital heading into 2018. and sean spicer pokes fun at his time in the trump administration, and not everyone at the white house is laughing. first, josh lipton has today's cnbc market wrap. >> thanks, steve. the dollar rising to a seven-week high against the yen. the dow posting a record close for the fifth straight day gaining 63 points. s&p rising by three. nasdaq up by six. the "wall street journal report"ing on feds impending plan to shrink its huge investment in the u.s. economy calling it the great unwinding. the $4.2 billion bond portfolio lowered boroughing costs for homeowners and businesses. we'll hear more from the fed on wednesday. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide.
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welcome back. president trump is betting a lot of political capital on an upcoming clash in alabama. it's not the iron bowl we're talking about here. the president is planning on stumping for incumbent appointed senator luther strange this weekend at a rally in huntsville. personally stepping in to the state's special election ahead of next week's runoff. this is a ricky move for the president. polls show strange as the underdog in the race against controversial former alabama supreme court justice roy moore. it's also a risky move because backing strange puts trump at odds with his former senior adviser, steve bannon, going all-in for moore. another blow to strange, another challenger threw his support behind moore this weekend. if they flock to moore, may not be enough to get string back over the top. if strange wins, president trump
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got him across the finish line demonstrating a strong hold with republican voters, and if not, couldn't help his own candidate in ruby red alabama. and joining me, editor of "the cook report." thanks for joining us. i was surprised at the news the president would go to alabama a few days before this runoff. seemed we knew he was officially backing luther strange, but the story of strange lost, until a few days ago, was trump wasn't really pushing hard for him. now the story is, trump pushes hard. did this catch you offgourd at all? >> the president basically said he would do it and i think a lot of us thought, maybe he wasn't going to deliver and up and surprised us saying, okay. he is going to go in after all. but it is a risk, but i wouldn't play the bannon angle too much, because the thing about president trump is that, you know, you could be his buddy, but if -- if someone starts
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giving, projectsing the attitude like i elected this guy, president trump tends to react somewhat hostily. as you said, public poles show a big, big lead for moore over luther strange, but frankly i think the race is a lot closer than that. i think a lot of these public polls are robo polls. they're not terribly good ones. they are the kind of polls that tell us that hillary clinton would be fine in wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania. and some of the more -- some of the pollsters who i trust are showing this race to be very, very, very close. >> yes. trying to make sense of these polls out there. i've been seeing pollster names pop up i've never heard of before. a lot of potential red herrings out there, but when we talk about bannon, one thing it illustrates here is that president trump in ways by backing strange who's the governors, former governors
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hand-picked senator. mitch mcconnell's candidate, in a lot of ways, moore is the more natural trump candidate based on how trump won the republican nomination last year. >> i think you're absolute lie right, but, you know, when you look at -- not that president trump goes out of his way to curry favor with mitch mcconnell and the establishment in the senate, which he obviously doesn't, but the establishment is absolutely all-in for strange. that they see him as someone that would fit right in and work well and they see roy moore, former chief justice roy moore as someone rolling hand grenades down the senate floor everything day particularly on culture. not a lot of danger of this seat ever going democratic. if strange won the runoff, no chance, i think, for the democrat doug jones, but if --
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if roy moore won, there might be a tiny, tiny chance. i mean, moore would have to make a colossal mistake. we're talking about a state trump carried by 28 points. mitt romney carried by 23 points. this is a tough state. any chance democrats have would require more a less electable republican nominee than strange. >> a lot of democratic minds go back now to mass nas 2010 and scott brown and martha coakley and say, maybe this could be our version of that, but let me ask you, too, about the president going down there, then. so we know, yes, he's at least in position, if ease able to get strange over the top to claim this is a big victory personally for him. what's the flip side, though? strange comes up short next week after trump goes there for him. is there fallout for donald trump? >> the thing is, things like that get overtaken by other veents two, three days later. in fact, donald trump is the
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best. president trump is the best at changing the subject. that if people start thinking one thing, he says or does something the next day or the day after that, and you almost like forget what happened there. so frankly, i don't think the consequences would be that great, but the money that is going in for strange and against roy moore, the add count, absolutely unbelievable, and i think that they are successfully driving moore's negatives up and making the race close. otherwise, i frankly don't think it would be close. >> quickly, the third candidate from a preliminary, brooks endorsing moore does that have an effect? >> it could. in his specific congressional district, absolutely it could make a difference. there's a lot going on. one side is out-spent 3-1, you know, that's going to have a big, big, big effect.
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color as well as the productions that took home top prizes. probably comes as no surprise that politics took center stage multiple times. >> we did have a whole story line about an impeachment but abandoned that, because we were worried that someone else might get to it first. >> in 1980, in that movie, we refused to be controlled by a sexist egotistical lie, bigot. >> and in 2017, we still refuse. >> this will be the largest audience to witness an emmys, period! both in person and around the world. >> unlike the presidency, emmys bill to the winner of the popular vote. >> ah -- i suppose i should say, at long last, mr. president, here is your emmy. >> and folks within the white house weren't laughing. >> alienating at least 36 million americans who supported
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this president last time and elalienating many more who want the president to succeed and showing the world you're so easy with an insult about our leader. i think that's really unfortunate, actually. >> we have got much more on the politics of the punchline, next. tech: when you schedule with safelite autoglass,
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well, all right. it's time for "the lid". politics and entertainment have always in some way been intertwined. did we see it taken to new heights at the emmy awards last night? our panel is back. eddie, start with you. take in a new -- i've been asking this question, has it been taken to new heights in the age of trump? that politics and culture have merged in this way we haven't seen before, and i'm looking at that show last night and i think dozens of jokes really aimed at donald trump. some of them very sharp. i'm imagining folks on your side, the democratic side
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looking at that saying, yeah. go tell them. getting excited. the question it raises for me, create a backlash of equal size on the other side? >> i think it does, not new. no different register. clinton on arsenio hall. dating myself. >> saxophone. >> the ways that mtv, rock the vote. seen the intersection. some of us were raised on that. but here the intensity, the register. people who love him will intensify the people who loathe him. people who loathe trump intensify the folks who love him. just american politics as it is. >> that's my question. is there something different with trump with the dynamic? we've always know hollywood has had a reputation for being liberal, pop culture too, but always secondary to the product.
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when think of stephen colbert's late night show exists right now as political show. political stuff used to be the backdrop to late night comedy. now it's fundamentally political show. if you don't like trump you love that show. but flip side, is it larger? >> talking about during the break, have conversations of was this something that appealed to trump supporters? in that whole group of people against him, therefore these people for him? but various segments of culture, entertainment, sports, coaches getting involved. fashion industry is involved in politics. but this president, donald trump was a big part of pop culture for a long time. in movies, go through the archives to find pictures of him with name celebrity here. that's what is interesting about this, rejection of donald trump from industry that he was part
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of for a while. >> if only we gave him the emmy. >> that's the thing -- >> did "saturday night live" recently. >> award shows before president trump, president bush, saw a lot of same things eight years ago. now fast forward. eddie is right, yes taken to another level, sure. thing that's a little disappointing is when you have sean spicer who went out to make fun of himself, get hits from the left for having a gag, just shows we've taken this to new levels, can't allow people to laugh at themselves. >> mentioned spicer. put headline up on the screen, saying he regrets, iconic moment as press secretary berating reporters over the inauguration crowd. that was gist of his joke last night. apparently the ratings were down. >> probably blame that on donald
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trump too. >> but interesting to see sean spicer in second act potentially. >> there was a lot of concern about this comment. taxpayers are paying for press secretary to talk truthfully, admission that he didn't is one thing. also this idea of not having consequences for things is root of the criticism of this as well. nothing matters anymore. you can leave the white house and become a celebrity. cycle of things. >> or be a celebrity and get into the white house. >> worry of recuperation and normalization. fact is he was face of everyday lying. and so what does it mean for the hollywood folks who claim to be virtuous, who claim to loathe trump, to embrace someone who was face of all of his lying? >> not embracing him, just a moment in time. went to have -- it was a joke. it was a gag. it's okay to laugh at oneself every now and then. >> of course. >> especially at award show.
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>> it was interesting, context of the joke was in some ways also a dig. >> compared to other things on there, frankly i don't think were necessarily funny but -- >> but also in the context, he's on the emmys, corey lewandowski and somebody else from trump folks just been hired by harvard. folks coming out of an administration that many people believe -- >> it's interesting too, had this debate before. seeing this about folks from bush administration and iraq war. some of them now embraced by the left it seems because they're anti-trump. these things all come around. i remember folks ten years ago wanted to be drummed out of society. >> but there was a study five or six years ago said most people under the age of 25 got news, hard news, from the daily show tlt on the comedy network.
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way younger people get information and way we grow into things, not surprising it's taken this turn. >> thanks to you. after the break, maverick campaign, that's one way of putting it, ad that you have to see to believe.
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good day but maybe should have listened to his own ad. >> we've lost that loving feeling. >> no dan. >> that is all for tonight. back tomorrow with more "mtp daily," and "the beat withg ari melber" is starting now rue. >> lawyers are paid to keep secrets but donald trump's legal team may do things really differently. nothing wrong with talking about business over lunch but managed to land strategy debate over the russia case on the front page of the "new york times," in article detailing turmoil among the team. this is a story about beef and fights among donald trump's top advisers but also about steak, ken vogel spotted trump's criminal lawyers chewing the fat at fancy washington steak house, steak goes for $60, wine lis

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