tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC September 18, 2017 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
peters, thank you so much as always for making time for us, especially on this monday night. that is our broadcast for this evening. and our thanks to you for being with us as we start off a new week around here. good night from all of us at nbc news headquarters in new york. i am beginning to resent the word "bombshell." [ laughter ] but it is great-upon metaphor for which we don't have easy substitutions on nights like this. tonight, in fact, two new bombshells have just dropped. one from cnn and one from "the new york times." "the new york times" reports tonight just within the last couple hours that the president's campaign chairman, paul manafort, has been informed by federal prosecutors they intend to indict him. again, the president's campaign manager being told by prosecutors that he will be indicted. we'll have more on that in a
second. including a live interview with one of the "new york times" reporters that broke that story this evening. that broke within minutes of this report from cnn.com from lady reporter evan lead reporter evan perez. according to this report, the same man, paul manafort has been extensively wiretapped by law enforcement officials both before and after last year's presidential election. now, of course, both of these stories broke at like 7:00 tonight, which is -- we have had a joke on our show staff for awhile now, once you get into like 7:00-ish, it becomes russia-o'clock. once it's a weeknight. russia-o'clock hit with a bunch of bells in toning in the distance. when we had been planning to report as the big news in the russia investigation tonight before this stuff blew it up, what we thought would be the big
russia story tonight was about something called the kelp tocracy asset recovery initiative. which was started by attorney general eric holder during the obama administration. last week president trump hosted the prime minister of malaysia given everything else going on, in the news last week, it wasn't the highest profile story in the world. but that visit by the malaysia prime minister was notable in terms of corruption and law enforcement and high public officials finding themselves in the cross hairs of u.s. law enforcement because that ma malaysia prime minister is at the center of a gigantic department of justice corruption prosecution. the department of justice is trying to recover well over $1 billion in assets, everything from movie rights to private jets to apartments to hotels, all things that were purchased with money that was allegedly stolen from the people of malaysia, from the government of that country. that money was stolen from malaysia but it was laundered in the united states by buying stuff in the united states and
the justice department has been heavily and aggressively involved in this gigantic corruption case to try to get that stuff back. so president trump bringing that prime minister of malaysia to the white house while that prime minister is in the middle of the gigantic corruption investigation by the u.s. justice department. that of course, was the white house and this president spitting in the eye of the fbi and justice department. but that ends up being important beyond just that insult to american law enforcement because aside from malaysia, the other known major target of the fbi's kelp tocracy asset recovery, the target other than malaysia is ukraine and specifically this guy who is also believed to have looted his country's treasury for his own benefit and who the fbi has been chasing ever since trying to figure out where victor stashed all of ukraine's
money and where and how he laundered it and how the stolen money and assets it's converted to can be recovered and repatrioted and given back to the people of ukraine, that is a major fbi effort under this initiative started by eric holder. paul manafort, donald trump's campaign chairman was the senior political advisor during his klept criteria period which the fbi had been investigating for years now. and until about 7:00 tonight, what seemed like the peak news in the russia investigation is one of the senior prosecutors who had been working on that kelp tocracy initiative chasing the money stolen prom the government, chase the way it was laundered and assets laundered money was used for, one of the prosecutors from the initiative is now reported to have left that job at the justice department to instead start working for robert mueller's team, the special
counsel investigating trump and russia. and if you're paul manafort learning that somebody left the ukraine job to start working on the trump russia job, if you're paul manafort, that's the news that makes you bump into walls and accidently tie your shoe laces to each other instead of just tieing your shoes. so that was a big deal anyway in terms of learn thing about the character of the muller investigation, that picked up that prosecutor from that part of the justice department's work with the particular history looking at the ukraine stuff manafort was all up in. now this new reporting from cnn not only underscores the importance but takes it to a new level of concern both for paul manafort and for the white house. according to the cnn report tonight, paul manafort was the subject of a fisa warrant that allowed the fbi to listen in on manafort as of 2014.
that surveillance fisa order, those were based on the ukraine thing, based on the workman that fort did in ukraine for the dictator he ran campaigns for. so the fbi had him under surveillance starting in 2014 reportedly because of the stolen assets and the fact the fbi is working on that story. this celptocracy movement, the dictator manafort worked for, that's why they were listening in on him and something about how much they knew about paul manafort before manafort became trump's campaign chairman. how much they knew about him and his previous work in the former soviet union and his money. all right? they were already deep into paul manafort before the campaign started. and that surveillance on him starting in 2014 was totally unrelated to his work on the trump campaign. now, according to cnn, at some point last year, that
surveillance on the ukraine stuff stopped. petered out. fbi no longer had the evidence to be able to convince a court that they ought to be able to continue to listen in on paul manafort talking about matters involving money looted out of ukraine. the surveillance some point in 2016 stopped. but then we also know last year the fbi started a new investigation you have that heard of related to the russian attack on last year's presidential election to try to influence the election in donald trump's favor and also the fbi's investigation that started last summer into whether or not the trump campaign or trump associates might have been in cahoots with the russian attack. remember the origin story. former cia director john brennan testified in congress this year that last summer, when he was running the cia, he and the cia saw something in the course of their spying, in the course of their intelligence collection that gave them reason to worry that people associated with the
trump campaign might be in league with the russian government as the russians were attacking our election. so the cia last summer saw something that concerned them. that cia concern led to the creation of an inner agency working group and that is what ultimately led to the fbi counterintelligence investigation into whether or not the trump campaign colluded with russia. that is the counter intelligence investigation and now criminal investigation that has today become the robert mueller special inquiry. that's how we got here but it all started last summer and according to this report from cnn tonight, sometime after june of last year, so roughly in the same time frame of when the cia was convening this task force that led to the russia investigation, sometime after june last year even though the fbi had stopped surveying paul manafort about the ukraine stuff, sometime after june last year, the fbi went back to the
fisa court again and got a new fisa court order to once again start surveilling paul manafort and this time it wasn't about ukraine, necessarily. this time it was about russia and their attack on the presidential election. and this was the part that's going to turn everything upside down in washington tonight. the surveillance on paul manafort under the second fisa court order, quote, continued into early this year including a period when paul manafort was known to talk to president donald trump. according to three sources familiar with the investigation, some of the intelligence collected includes communications that sparked concerns among the investigators that manafort encouraged the russians to help with the campaign. now, the sourcing here is important. again, cnn is describing three sources familiar with the investigation as saying when the fbi was listening in, what they
heard were communications that sparked concerns that manafort was encouraging russians to help with the campaign but cnn then goes on to qualify it. so they say they got three sources but then go on to say that two of the three sources who say these communications included the possibility that manafort encouraged the russians, two of the three sources then cautioned the evidence on that was not conclusive. okay. so one source says it was, two sources say it wasn't but agreed there was something about cooperating with the russians, encouraging the russians. this period of surveillance on manafort does include time, we're told, when manafort was known to be in communication with president trump, once president was president. according to cnn, it's unclear whether trump himself was picked up on surveillance. so we have known already that trump campaign chairman paul manafort was under intense pressure from prosecutors.
if this new reporting tonight is correct, we now know quite a bit more about why he was under such intense pressure and how that is being made manifest. it now seems clear from multiple sources a lot of what they got to work with against paul manafort on the russia issue isn't stuff they need somebody to confess to, necessarily. not stuff they need witnesses to describe or corroborate. it now sounds like a lot of what they have got about paul manafort on the russia thing is on tape. it's stuff they captured on intelligence intercepts. remember, john brennan, if he was correct when he testified to congress that it was cia interest, that sparked the initial criminal inquiry what was going on with russia in the election and russia in the trump campaign, well, the cia doesn't monitor americans. they spy on foreigners. so that means that the cia first picked up on these concerns
because they were seeing something in their international surveillance and spying that made them worry about the trump campaign. now, since then we've seen other reporting that allied foreign intelligence agencies like the british and dutch heard things on their foreign surveillance meaning their spies also picked stuff up that was conveyed to u.s. intelligence agencies because they saw something that concerned them about potential contacts between the trump campaign and the russian government. well, now if this new reporting about fisa court warrants against manafort is true as well, this would mean the intelligence and law enforcement monitoring of these concerning contacts between trump associates and the russian government, these -- this intelligence surveillance of these communications and contacts and conversations, this would mean that those intercepts were not things that just happened abroad between foreigners. it included surveillance that happened here in the united states because they got a fisa
court warrant and the government was able to convince a federal judge that in this instance, it was legit to surveil because of the possibility he was involved in some kind of crime, which brings us back to the "new york times" scoop tonight. we had known before now that the fbi mounted a surprise raid on paul manafort's house after midnight on july 26th this summer. there have been a few strange aspects of that raid that we've been puzzling over for a few weeks now since we first learned about the raid on manafort's house. the biggest and, for me, the most perplexing question about that raid is whether it was really necessary. people close to paul manafort have raised the prospect that the raid was overreach or at least unnecessary and bullying because before the fbi got that search warrant and stormed into his house, muller's team and the
fbi didn't make any demands to manafort for what they wanted him to hand over. i mean, law enforcement and fbi have a lot of tools and power to extract stuff from people who don't want to give information but there's a logical chain that goes along with that. if you want something from a potential witness, ask for it. if they say no, you can subpoena it. eventually you can get a search warrant. once you have a search warrant, you can execute that search warrant by knocking on the door or by knocking down the door. the last chain of escalation here. with the manafort raid seems like they went right to 11. on july 26th, people on the manafort side of things say that manafort was never even asked for the documents that the fbi came in and seized by force from his home. he had never been asked for them before they barged into his house and took them? why is that?
well, now we know a little bit more about why that may be. abc news reported when the fbi executed this raid on manafort's house, manafort only learned it was underway when armed fbi agents started knocking on his door. i don't mean his front door. he first learned the fbi raid was underway when agents knocked on his bedroom door. abc was first to report that back in the first week of august. here is the question. how did the fbi agents get all the way into his bedroom door? according to the "new york times" tonight, fbi agents were given permission to pick the lock on his front door in order to get into his house without knocking. this is lead from the "times" story that just broke tonight. quote, paul j. manafort was in bed early one morning in july when federal agents bearing a search warrant picked the lock on his front door and raided his virginia home. they took binders stuffed with
documents and copied his computer files looking for evidence that manafort had set up secret offshore bank accounts and photographed the expensive suits in his closet. later in the story, here is more detail on that. quote, it is unusual for a prosecutor to seek a search warrant against someone who like paul manafort had already put his lawyer in contact with the justice department. to get the warrant, robert mueller's team had to show probable cause to a judge that manafort's home contained quote to be allowed to pick the quote to be allowed to pick the lock and enter the home unannounced, prosecutors further had to persuade a federal judge that manafort was likely to destroy evidence. if "the times" is right in this reporting tonight, why did prosecutors believe -- why were prosecutors able to convince a federal judge that paul manafort
was going to destroy evidence if they knocked on the door, that they couldn't afford to knock on the door. what evidence was manafort likely to destroy and how could he destroy it that quickly? in terms of what we know was going on, manafort testified the previous morning to the senate intelligence committee. he was due to testify the following day to the judiciary committee, although that testimony never happened. why did that fbi raid including them picking the lock on his front door and showing up in the middle of the night and seizing the stuff he presumably didn't know they were looking for, why did that happen between the two planned visitors between those two committees. does it affect the understanding why the muller raid was conducted with such urgency to know at least to have reported tonight that paul manafort sometime this year was under surveillance by the fbi thanks to a fisa court order. did he know he was under surveillance? it was mueller inquiry worried
manafort was find out based on how he would get questioned in the senate committee hearings? we still don't know. but apparently, once the raid on paul manafort's house was over, any remaining subtlety what was going on was foreclosed. quote, special counsel robert mueller then followed the house search with a warning. his prosecutors told mr. manafort they plan to indict him. there is a lot going on right now. lots of different kinds of news and on a night like tonight, a lot of it feels very important. most urgently, there is another category 5 hurricane that is slamming into the caribbean tonight. in the immediate path are martinique, st. kits, and incredibly again, the virgin islands virgin islands. and as you can see on the map, thereafter for the first time in more than 80 years, puerto rico may take a direct hit from a
core 4 or core 5 storm. it's expected to get to puerto rico probably the day after tomorrow. this is another huge potentially fatal and very dangerous storm and again, right now it's a core 5, and it's about to hit parts of the caribbean that are already hurting so badly from what just happened with hurricane irma. so that is a huge deal and very urgent. speaking of huge deals and very urgent but of a totally different kind, in washington tonight, there is a serious political -- a serious political matter about to sort of come up as a surprise that could be very, very serious in terms of u.s. policy. it looks like republicans are making another concerted effort once again to kill obamacare. everybody sort of thought these efforts were dead but they are making a last press for it and there is reason to believe that they may be able to get there. we'll talk to the democratic senator who has undergone personal hardship to stop that from happening. she's been speaking on the
aca tonight on the senate floor. we'll speak with her momentarily. tomorrow, the president's personal lawyer and a long-time trump organization executive and incidentally someone with a lot of ties to a lot of money from the former soviet union will be testifying to the senate intelligence committee tomorrow. hillary clinton's former campaign chair, john podesta, testified to the senate intelligence committee today. he's the one whose e-mails were hacked and stolen and released back into the u.s. by wikileaks, an operation believed to be organized as part of the russian attack. so all of these stories are a big deal. there is a lot going on and get to a lot of that tonight. but again, at russia-o'clock tonight, this huge news that the president's campaign manager has been informed that he will be indicted. and concurrently, this news breaking that the president's campaign manager was the subject of two rounds of intensive law enforcement surveillance, but
the fisa court and surveillance continued into this year. it may or may not have included manafort's conversations with the president personally. crucially this latest report from cnn tonight makes the point some of what was overheard on the surveillance raised the prospect manafort encouraged russians to try to help with the presidential campaign. the sourcing on that is disputed but the suggestion is clearly there. it's a big news night. got more on these stories next including a live interview with a "new york times" reporter who broke this news. stay with us. (vo) a lifetime of your dog's nutritional needs... all in one. purina one. healthy energy, all in one. strong muscles, all in one. highly digestible, and a taste he loves, all in one. purina one smartblend is expertly blended... with 100% nutrition, 0% fillers, always real meat #1. lifelong smart nutrition.
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"new york times" broke the now, at a prosecutors working for robert mueller told paul manafort that they intend to indict him. the fbi's raid in his house in july was done in correspondence with a search warrant that allowed after i know agents to get into manafort's house without knocking, by picking the
lock on his front door that was presumably to keep manafort from being able to destroy evidence once he heard agents knocking. at least that's why we think judges tend to approve that sort of tactic with a search warrant. we've known that the muller inquiry was aggressively focus on part of an part of an before tonight, before the reporting from the "new york times", before tonight before tonight we didn't know all of this stuff. quoting from their report tonight in the "times," dispensing with the plodding pace. mr. muller's team used what some describe as shock and awe tactics to intimidate witnesses and potential targets of the inquiry. one former prosecutor telling the times tonight quote this is more consistent with how you'd go after an organized crime. syndicate. joins us now is matt orkszpuzo. let me ask you about that quote
and that take from that person that you spoke to for the article and also reflected in the headline of tonight's piece, which is with a picked lock and a threatened indictment, muller's inquiry sets the tone. i don't know enough about what would be typical in an investigation like this. >> sure. >> to know how outside the normal course of events these tactics are. you guys seem to be reporting this is an unusual level of tactic cal aggression. >> it absolutely s. in a normal situation, let's put it in context. pat fitzgerald, the special counsel during the bush era, and ken starr in the clinton era, neither of them used swarnts. so that in and of itself is unusual. certainly when you have a target of an investigation who has a lawyer and there is some sort of back and forth dialogue with the lawyer using a search warrant is unusual. using a search warrant no knock search warrant where you come in
in the predawn hours and pick the lock and you're not house -- in the house, speakers to certainly a level of distrust between bob muller and paul manafort and you can gather that that sends a ripple throughout this investigation and certainly sends a message that this is not going to be your typical slow and steady white collar investigation. >> when you report tonight in the times, his prosecutors, muller's prosecutors told manafort they planned to indict him. >> sure. >> does that -- are they informing him that they are going to indict him or letting him know that that's -- is that essentially i guess is that threat or a promise? >> well, i mean, it's that rat-a-tat-tat. we storm your house and take a punch of your stuff and tell you plan on being indicted and come back over the top and they subpoena his lawyer and his spokesman.
it was a real 1, 12, 3, boom, boom, boom, from bob mueller and company. that's not set in stone if bob muller is persuaded that there is no crime here. you know, maybe he won't be indicted but certainly sends a message we're here to do business and the fact that you have a lawyer is not a barrier to entry for us. >> matt, do you have any insight into the timing here? this is -- you raised the relationship of two different timelines sort of coming into conflict here in the piece tonight. obviously, there are congressional inquiries proceeding that have shown a lot of interest in mr. manafort as well alongside the bob muller inquiry and the times around this fbi raid more dramatic than we thought fits very tightly with what was going on with manafort in congress, the morning that his house was raided he spoke to the senate intelligence committee and the
following day he was due to speak to the judiciary committee. is it something about his congressional testimony that sparked the timing or this urgency or this aggression from muller? >> sure. and to be totally honest, we just don't know. there are not a lot of coincidences in this world, but to be totally honest, i don't know if that was something that muller's team saw in the initial back and forth between manafort and the hill, if he was trying to head off having testimony. i've heard speculation he wants to try to head off manafort giving a statement to the hills so that, you know, manafort's statement is given to muller and not to the hill. honestly, we don't have reporting to say what the connection, if any, is. >> reporter for "the new york times", help break this scoop tonight. thanks for helping us understand. >> thanks a lot. lots more to come tonight. busy night. stay with us. r life
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so couple big breaking news stories, one the president's campaign chairman has been told to expect to be indicted and the same campaign chair, paul manafort was under court-ordered surveillance for part of last year and this year which may have raised concerns about his possibility election and surveillance which may have included conversations this year with president trump personally.
buried in the second report is this new detail, that in addition to the fbi raid on the home, they also conducted a search of a storage facility belonging to paul manafort. that storage facility owned by manafort and his home, they picked the lock and convinced if they knocked that might give manafort the ability to destroy evidence for a gentle inquiry. we now know a lot more about how aggressive prosecutors are being. toward the president's campaign manager. those marchlt raids were the first known use of a search warrant in the russia investigation. and as we just heard from matt, other investigations of this type, the kenneth star investigations never used a search warrant once. we know they used one against
paul manafort and now we know they have used one. "the wall street journal" reported that facebook handed over details about those ads. that they had declined to give to congress. facebook reportedly turned over to robert mueller's inquiry details about the accounts that brought them and crucially the targeting criteria that they used. well, that was the wall street journal late friday night. cnn confirmed about the journal strongly alluded to, that information was turned over by facebook to the muller inquiry, not because he asked nicely, but because mueller's team took it because that he got search warrant. so search warrant against manafort, dramatic. search warrant against facebook, details about the search warrant come about a week after facebook
acknowledged for the first time after denying it for months that yes, in fact, russians posing as americans had used facebook to target u.s. voters with election related ads. now, this is all a big deal. in part because it shows that robert mueller was able to convince a judge there is probable cause that evidence can be found in facebook's records of a crime being committed in this instance involving facebook. it's also important in terms of what happens next because if any americans were aware of the criminal overweight or helped it succeed, then they presumably could be held criminally liable. so a big step in the investigation aside from all the other big breaking news tonight and this one is very intriguing in terms of possibilities. joining us now is a media columnist for a paper called "the new york times." jim has been doing great reporting on russia's use of social media platforms to meddle in the election and the role of
the russian media in the disinformation campaign to try to help trump. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> a reason i wanted to talk to you, you've been very good at zeroing in on what facebook could do to cooperate with this investigation versus what they haven't done or have had to be forced to do through a search warrant. looking at what we know about them as a company and their involvement here, how forthcoming have they been? >> well, you talked about the search warrant yourself that's been reported by the journal and cnn. it's a silicon valley ethose that says we're not going to give anything to law enforcement unless you provide a search warrant and they do this in the name of privacy but happens to comport with what seemed to me to be obvious public relations to not get too embroiled in this scandal but they are in the scandal now. >> does the facebook business model and the way they manage the information of their users give them terms of understanding who paid for what targeted how
and what impact it had? >> yes. >> yes. >> they have created this world. they own this world. what we're hearing, though, is very complicated. that, you know, anyone can go and use their app tools. -- ad tools,. so they are not using facebook sales representatives as go betweens per se so it could be a needle in a haystack. complications. there is their universe. they created this world. >> we talked about this on friday night after senator mark warner tweeted about this in a provocative way. facebook had denied for months that there was any evidence of any russian activity on facebook targeting u.s. voters around the election repeatedly and insistingly for months. once they finally admitted it, one of the pieces of information they gave to congress was some of those ads paid for by russian interest were paid for in rubles. >> right. >> once you're paying in rubles, it seems like it makes it hard to believe facebook was actually looking to see if there was any russian interest. >> yeah, for sure.
it's always kind of grudging a little bit. by the way, my interest in this as the media columnist is not just the investigation on the hill or just the muller investigation. it's the public investigation. this was scam ads that were injected into our millionaire system. you had americans interacting with russian agents through the platform if they were posing under these false accounts, that's a huge deal. any time we see shadowing political ads on tv, we as political journalism would be all over it and this is a much bigger deal and we know very little. >> one of the ways we're supposed to be protected from that is that there are legal prohibitions to influence the outcome of u.s. elections. that's clear in terms of -- this is one of the things you've been writing about. clear in terms of for example spending foreign money to buy tv ads. is it clear those ads apply to online targeting information?
>> no foreigner can spend money in an american election. i doesn't matter what the media is, venue is, no. what this points up that senator warner has mentioned and others is that we do need something that kind of monitors social media advertising the same way television advertises -- >> so it's clearly illegal, but we don't know who polices it? >> we're about to find out. muller is very involved in that and will be part of that. >> jim rootin'berg, you've been doing really clarifying interesting work on this. appreciate it. more to come. stay with us. this past may, senator of for the holidays,
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eye this past may, senator of hawaii went to her doctors office for a routine physical exam. she emerged with a diagnosis of stage four kidney cancer. the day after she announced her diagnosis, doctors removed her right kidney. shortly thereafter, senator hirono was back on the senate floor speaking about the plan to kill the affordable care act that would take away health insurance coverage from tens of millions of americans. a few days later she is having surgery again, this time to remove a rib where a second tumor had been found. doctors replaced most of her rib with a seven-inch long titanium plate screwed into the remaining ends of the rib. and then i kid you not, a month after the removal of her rib and the seven-inch long titanium plate put in its place, she was back on the senate floor during the middle of the night vote on the obamacare repeal bill. she spoke on the floor again to
take her colleagues to task for what they were trying to do. >> when i was diagnosed with kidney cancer and facing my first surgery, i heard from so many of my colleagues including so many of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle who wrote me wonderful notes sharing with me their own experience with major illness in their families or loved ones. you showed me your care. you showed me your compassion. where is that tonight? >> republicans announced tonight that they will hold a hearing on yet another one, a new last-ditch effort to kill obamacare. they're going to hold that hearing a week from today in a senate finance committee. it's unclear whether they will have enough votes to pass the latest effort to repeal obamacare. they only have 12 more days to do it. september 30th deadline is imposed by the senate.
parliamentaryian in this case. obamacare becomes more unlikely but racing toward the finish line trying to ram it through. joining us is senator mazie hirono of hawaii. really appreciate your time tonight. thank you for being here. >> aloha. good to be with you. >> i feel a little rude talking about your personal health situation and introducing here, but i did feel like i wanted to let people know the personal hardship that you have gone through to try to participate in and lead this fight. i'm sorry if that was rude and -- >> not at all, rachel. >> how are you feeling right now? how is your health? >> i'm feeling fine. but i'm not out of the woods. the good thing is i have health care coverage, which millions of people in our country do not have and which, by the way, the republicans are hell bent on getting rid of health care for even more millions of people in
our country. so there is a difference between you republicans and democrats. democrats believe that health care is a right, not a privilege for those who can afford it. obviously, republicans consider health care a commodity. they think we should go out and buy health care the way we buy a car or tv, it's not like that at all. so this obsession that they have to eliminate health care for millions of people in our country knowing the harm that they are doing is something i find really inexplicable, except they consider it a commodity, and not a right. >> in terms of their prospects of doing this. we had a ton of drama that ended in the middle of the night with senator mccain voting no in the last effort falling apart. what do you make of their chances of actually getting this done? we know the timeline has to be incredibly compressed if they need to get this done by the end of the month, which is what the senate parlamentarian says they need? >> i don't think that mitch mcconnell will bring the bill t
need? >> i don't think that mitch mcconnell will bring the bill to the floor and have health care getting rid of the affordable care act fail once again. i don't think that's what he wants to do. what he's going to do is twist as many arms as he can to convince the republicans mainly to go along with him. though democrats will stick together. we have to. we have done so and my hope is that lisa and susan collins will continue to hold fast and not hurt the people in their district who are -- in their states relying upon them. >> senator hirono, one of the other things you bring to this fight is your own family's story. >> yes. >> in terms of your own personal health care history as a child, your family's -- your upbringing. can you talk a little bit about what motivates you on this subject and what you think might be at risk? >> i am an immigrant. i came to this country with a single parent. my mother left an abusive marriage to create a better life for us in this country. so growing up, she had really
low-paying jobs. no health care coverage and literally i was really scared that she, the breadwinner of our family would get sick and if she got sick, there would be no money because she wouldn't be able to go to work. that is very real to me and of course, as i mentioned, my sister in japan died because i believe because she did not have access to adequate health care. so this is real to me. i happen to know that these are concerns or challenges that people in our country face every single day and, you know, rachel, that evening speech which i wasn't intending to speak because i had already spoken many times on the floor, at rallies, at press conferences about the danger of eliminating health care. but those remarks of mine have been viewed more than 3 million times in this country and that said so many people connected to what i was going through and what they are going through and so people come up to me now and tell me that they have cancer.
they are cancer survivors, and so i think it's really important for people in our country to know that there are those of us who are just fighting for them every single day. >> senator of hawaii, thank you very much, senator for being with us. >> thank you, aloha. >> i will say what the senator was saying about how much people care about this issue now, we don't really know yet at this point the prospects for whether or not the republicans are going to be able to to repeal the affordable care act under these parliamentary rulings, they have to do it fast if "f" they're going to do it. the vote count is absolutely not clear. once again, if they lose three republican senators, it will be over. but i think if this thing starts to be seen as a real prospect, you're going to see people out in the streets demonstrating and up in arms to save the aca. nothing motivates people more than the prospect of losing their health care. we'll be right back. [ engines revving ]
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