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>> it's a stunning superficial notice that's almost embarrassing to listen to you. >> there is a picture of president obama. flags flying at half-staff. senator ted kennedy passed away last night. >> health care we form is now a reality. >> this is a great blank in the show, isn't it? the top general over there stanley mcchrystal, thrashing the president and apologizing this morning for a rolling stone profile. >> the operation that killed osama bin ladin. >> the president not being afraid to engage in what was really a high risk operation. >> to a new town, i come to offer the love and prayers of a nation. >> these random acts of violence that seem to be getting less random by the day. a horrible story on trayvon martin. he wasn't standing his ground, he was chasing after him with a gun. >> this is going to be big. >> the fifth anniversary of your show. this is a proclamation.
>> wow! obviously, this is not just a boston event. it's an international event. >> they were there to watch their father, to watch their dad cross the finish lines, instead they lost an 8-year-old do you like vladmir putin comments about you. >> sure, he killed journalists. >> i think our country does a lot of killing, also, joe. >> what is aleppo? >> you are kidding? >> no. >> joe, joe, joe! >> a long time coming. what a moment. >> and i move that hillary clinton be selected as the nominee of the democratic party. >> i make up and have been here a heck of a long time. >> i will faithfully execute the oflsz of president of the united states. [ applause
[ applause ] >> i just got a quick question. what are they doing up this early? >> it's really early. but we're celebrating ten years. that's actually barely scratching the surface. good morning. and welcome to "morning joe." . >> didn't you guys always assume we were the ones awake at this time. they're up, it's unbelievable. >> we're celebrating with our tenth anniversary this morning. [ applause ] >> i really feel old. countless moments, countless events, countless family members, countless big moments. >> this morning, we will be looking back at it all and what's ahead for the country? and what we're gathered here in
this historic studio, studio 8h across town, president trump is on his way to his first u.s. general assembly, something we never thought we would be saying. >> oh my god! >> ten years ago. we will bring down what is at stake w. a lot of guests. >> there is a lot at stake. okay. so this morning, we will have new york city mayor bill de blasio, former new york mayor michael bloom berke, chris christie, tony blair, many more on set. first this block, we got the core of "morning joe," joe, willie, me and of course legendary columnist mike barnacle. plenty more to come this morning. with you, wow, for the three of us, i think we're the longest-running anchor team on television. >> i would hope so. >> i would hope nobody else -- >> this old. >> what so crazy is, we always tell this story, what's so
crazy, willie, how quickly it happened. we just gathered around the set, we didn't know each other, you're talking rand began to two seconds in, chris will remember and tj will remember, they were counting us down, 5, 4, go, go, we were in the mid ol after this conversation, we didn't look up in our first show. we kept talking. >> we haven't taken a time queue since then. >> we haven't stopped talking. some of us will never stop talking, ever! >> it's sad. >> when you called me ten years ago the guy from scarborough country saying would you like to drive into secaucus, new jersey every day? i thought, no we had a blast right away. if you said it was going to be ten years, i wouldn't have believed you. think of how much has changed. we were still in the bush administration, the idea of the next president came down to hillary clinton and rudyall anyof 2008.
>> we were showing polls the first -- guiliani of 2008. >> we were showing polls the first four months. >> and this year with john alleged j. trump, a lot of things people would not have predicted the day we started this show. >> mike barnacle has shown some clips and friends and tim russert, who we always say, it was sort of the defining moment when we were in iowa and they had shoved us off into a coffee shop. everybody else was at the civics center in des moines, they would not let us go there. so they put us in. thavg god in java joe's a place we absolutely love and keep going back to all the time t. insiders, we were getting text from immediately, it wasn't until tim russert left the civics center and basically said there is no action over here.
all the action is at that coffee shop at the edge of town. >> and he tried to choke me. >> i knocked on the door and tried to choke you. tim was so important to this show early on in basically giving it the russert stamp of approval. >> yeah. it was a big moment. and, of course, tim being tim, he brought gravitasse, a whole lot to the table, insight. it was funny the way it happened, once he came to our program, he had fun, he had fun on air to open to us. i think it opened the door to a lot of other people who said, hey, we want to get in on this, too. from you said from the conversation you had going on in the first show, that itself way the show has evolved. this is difficult conversation. >> the best part of it is so many people new to the show, come to the show, will go, are you on set? we are not on set in are we on
camera, are we fought on set? i was distracted. pat buchanan, what was his quote. >>? hold him down until the thoracic stops. >> talking about -- >> levi johnson. >> pat is walking, hey, pat, we will show you some best -- >> of the past as well. >> why don't we get to the news? >> you sure you don't want to make fun of tj, chris and pete brian? they are the founders of the "morning joe." a lot of times tj almost threw us off the air by touching the wrong button. >> many times. >> look at this motley crue. >> wave your hands, pete brian, pete breen came up with the title "morning joe." we had focus groups. i said, hey, they want us to do a morning show. he said "morning joe." i go okay. tj was the director, tj will
tell you, we literally had for three hours, there was a time we had three people working. >> yeah. >> and they wouldn't staff us. those are the three guys that were actually working. and then chris, link and i made the long drive every morning for a meeting across the river and helped us develop it. we developed so much of what's on this show now. a in the lincoln ticket on the way over. >> this is all your fault. >> all your fault. we will be talking to you later on a new report by the "new york times" says a special prosecutor for robert mueller told campaign chairman paul manafort they intend to indict him. >> that's a bad day. >> that's a bad day. >> i'm thai thinking it's a bad day. >> in the report lawyers and first describe aggressive tactics used by mueller and his
team since taking over the mueller investigation. according to "times" the fbi raid on manafort home this past july was conducted by federal agents to pick the lock on the front door. two people close to the investigation told the "times" it was after that raid that prosecutors warned manafort of an indictment. the "new york times" describes the tone of the mueller investigation like this, quote, dispenseing with the ploding pace typical of many white-collar investigations. mr. mueller's team has used what some describe as shock-and-awe tactics to intimidate potential targets of inquiry. meanwhile, cnn is reporting the fbi has been interested in manafort before and after the election back in 2014 over consulting work he did in ukraine. >> that report claims he has previously been wiretapped including as a part of the investigation into the ties
between the trump campaign and russia. >> that could be bad. >> yeah. >> a spokesperson for manafort declined to comment on both of those. >> you know bob mueller and from the very beginning, you told us mueller does not play around. he is the antithesis of everything donald trump is. he is a man that repeatedly throughout his entire life believed that if you have integrity, nothing else matters and if you godon't have integri, nothing else matters. he is straight out of a sort of an untouchables movie. >> that's right. bob mueller is a guideline for life who the character defines all. everybody knows, most people know about bob mueller now. princeton, united states marine corps, law school, department of justice, very serious guy. this is the definition of a no knock warrant with paul manafort into the house because they felt by tipping him off, warning him
they were coming with an ordinary search warrant, vast material they were interested in would be destroyed, hidden. they were not, clearly. you will not get leaks out of mr. mueller's information, if it's there, it will be there. if it's not there he will tell us it's not there. >> willie, this sends a message to everybody in this investigation. forget what donald trump has told you, forgot the nod through the wings. forget the assurances, that everything is going to be okay. everything is not going to be okay. . bob mule ler figure out how to get to the facts. if you have information, you better give it to him or bad things will happen, as we have been hearing, if not on the federal level, they'll figure out how to get you on the state level. there is nothing donald trump can do to help you there. >> the intersection will be the two stories, the "new york times" reporting, the indictment for paul manafort. or he warned him and this wiretapping of paul manafort.
with the wiretapping, for a second time late last year, early into this year, with that to listen in on his conversation about his relationship with the ukrainian president the pro russia regime or was it directly about president trump and his campaign and its relationship to russia. if it was that and they have him on a wiretap talking to president trump, from trump tower, you got a whole new ball game here. >> you really do. and the interest goes back all the way to 20 e 2014. the fbi has been concerned about his activity from 2014, which becks the question. if the fbi was worried about this guy going all the way back to 2014, why does donald trump decide to let him run his campaign? because when he was chosen, we started hearing a ul of those stories from the very beginning. >> probably the same questions apply to why he hired flynn as his national security adviser. ahead we will talk about the legal defense fund he set up for himself. also the president will be
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last show on ms nbc at night the first show in the morning. how interesting that must be to ms nbc viewers? >> a lot of journalistt like to pack it in at the end of the day, we'll figure it out later. you and i stayed up all night on all the websites. >> yeah, exactly. [ applause ] ♪. >> all right. joining us now "morning joe" a ritual, the award-winning filmmaker, he left us for better things, john ridley, his new film "let it fall" the out in theaters in november and ms nbc john heilemann. >> so that clip brought back some really bad memories. >> what was that? how bad? >> something i had forgotten but for the first six months, phil griffin made me do scarborough country at 10:00 at night. >> i didn't know you were doing
that. >> and then do "morning joe" at 6:00 a.m. in the morning. i'd be driving in from chicago, drive in at midnight along with chris and everybody else and wake up early in the morning. so, yeah. >> that explains. >> those were the days that a nice little flash studio i think on 33rd street. you were in new jersey. i did the flash. >> they wouldn't let me do that. >> talk about things that people would no longer talk about. getting out of iraq. we were going to get out of that. >> how many regrets you do have? talk about your regrets. i had asked you to be a co-host of this show. >> yeah. >> instead two paths merged, you took the wrong one. you won an academy award. >> you you get a lot of sleep. >> you won an academy award, really are you a hollow man inside, because you don't have what we have, right, john? >> it was, let me tell you, waking up this morning at about
2:00 a.m. i guess it was and fumbling around in the dark, trying to figure out what kind of yogurt i was going to have for breakfast, it made me very sad, joe, the choices. here again talking about can we get out of iraq? >> yes. exactly. >> i found him in the green room openly weeping. >> i'm not sure what that was, joy or sadness. >> john heilemann. i want to get your response the news, obviously about palm manafort, apparently, we -- paul manafort, we have bob muleer who is taking no prisoners here, we woke up finding they picked his lock, raided his home, they said, listen r, we got to go no you have a really cute dog, we are going to indict you. >> took pictures of his suits, all that stuff and we saw the cnn report that says that wiretaps from the pfizer court were going on in the campaign
and through the transition into the administration and there is speculation on whether or not there are discussions for president trump that have been swept up in those wiretaps. so these signals that the special prosecutor is sending, this is meant to say, are you in the crosshairs, are you in the jaws of death here, dude, you better get ready to flip from they have been looking at him since 2014. this wasn't focused on donald trump t. fbi has been looking that guy since 2014. >> the one thing we know about special prosecutors, they can go anywhere, look at anything, whatever they go into, whatever their mandate is, whatever they can find, what whatever they can use, historically speaking they will use it and have a right to. >> so now this time, autopsy, i'm going to say this again, it is not a laugh line. okay. >> don't laugh at this. this is the news. >> it's not a laugh line. president trump will address the united nations general assembly -- >> oh, that really hurts. i mean, c'mon.
the president of the united states, show him a little -- >> later today the north korea crisis will be a main focus of his speech, oh, praise, jesus, please. >> he will promote the america first doctrine at the same time for global issues a senior administration official member states to do their part in confronting the threat of rogue regimes such as north korea and iran adding quote nations cannot be bystanders to history. >> the stakes are high for both the administration and the president, who has had a contentious relationship with various world leaders and had what is widely viewed as a tumultuous nato and g-2kw4rer78 year. >> there is a setup. this will obviously be an address unlike any president has given there. the question is, how is he --
what is the reaction going to be and what president will show up? >> a lot of people said it will be jarring to see donald trump in front of the famed green aisles that stand behind world leaders. in 2012, he tweeted about how ugly those tiles are and offered to replace them. in is an organization donald trump called incompetent, the question wide exists, what should it be doing there, to see him standing there as president of the united states, he will focus on united states and iran, it will be exception am, i think what you will hear him say is nations have to act in their self interests. he will talk about stepping away from the traditional alliancens and organizations like the u.n., like nato, don't rely on the world, don't rely on the united states to come save from you yourself, you got to do it by yourself that olympic a departure. >> i think it's becoming increasingly clear, we focus on what donald trump says what he tweets, today at the united nations as with his first trip
to europe with regard to nato, with regard to everything he says about north korea, it's not so important or so much what donald trump says, it's what others hear. what do they hear in north korea. what do they hear in nato and europe? what do they hear? what do the people our allies and our enemies here. what do they take from it? >> what we are seeing more from overseas, david ignacious is starting to discount his tweets starting to learn to discount his words, starting to understand that sometimes comes out of the mouth of general mattis or rex tillerson or nikki haley. there is a huge divide between what he tweets and america's divide. >> some yesterday said during the cuban missile crisis, there was a famous incident where two let, arrived at the white house in the midst of the crisis and
kennedy is trying to figure out one is very hostile, with sun very conciliatory, he looks at them and says we will take the hostile one and throw it out and focus on the consilliatetory thing, some world leaders say, we will not pay attention and focus on the good trump rather than the bad trump. >> john ridley, that's exactly what i do with mika. >> oh, c'mon! >> i ignore some e-mails, keep deleting them and wait for a nice run with to come. then i respond to that. i'm joking! c'mon! just a joke! >> wow. john heilemann, thank you so much. >> thank you very much, this has been special. >> we are done now. >> up next -- >> john heilman, everybody. game change, coming out this fall.
when is your book coming out is this when is the next book coming out? >> right around the time mike's book's coming out. >> that should be a pretty nice year. >> do you have a working title yet? >> no, i will probably use the word "joe" in it. it seems to work out for franchises coming up, john meacham, jonathan capehart join the conversation. we continue in just a moment. [ applause ] we're cutting it off, there are a lot more people that can cut off omustache. if we raise more than a million dollars i will shave my mustache off on this show. >> we did it. what do you think? i don't know how to use this. how discuss this look, dave, does this hurt? >> did you practice? >> no, i've never done this
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of fake news and deceiving the american people, you've had a remarkable success. i'd like to congratulate you, because you have deceived even me from time to time. and, of course, i've known joe for a long time and how he was deceived people also. so i congratulate you on ten years of information, of knowledge and making the american people aware of the challenges we face. are you a great american success story. congratulations, keep it up. i hope i'm not on your program soon. [ applause ] >> wow! >> that's why we love him. >> i know, absolutely. >> people are starting to applaud, did he say i hope i'm not on this program. i love the man from the last time he was on, he said that i have time to change my mind. joining us now on set, policeer prize winner john meacham and host for ms nbc contributor
jonathan capehart. [ applause ] >> john meacham, we have president donald trump going to the united nations general assembly speaking this morning, put it in context for us. >> sounds like the begin okayf a joke. there was one parachute. >> wow! >> you know, sorry. you know the united nations since 1945 has been a source of, you know, it's kind of an american security blanket when we want it to be relevant, we decide to make it relevant to our deliberations around the world him when we want to ignore it, we manage to do so pretty well. it was a great dream, though. it was the great dream of franklin roosevelt that, in fact, he was going to retire to hyde park after he was president and left office in 1949 and he was going to build an air strip.
>> right. >> he was going to have world leaders fly up, get out, offer their problems to him. he was going to solve them. then they'd fly down to the u.n. and bring them to the world. so, you know, i don't think anyone who runs on a platform of "america first," which to anyone who is remotely historically minded the phrase evokes the 1930s and charles lindbergh and our darker chapter. and i think that there is the erratic nature of this president. there is also everybody knows in that room that this man is standing there because he ran against global involvement. >> right. so is there a trump doctrine? is there some formula to understand his approach on foreign policy and the world? >> yeah, but again, we have to figure out jonathan capehart who is really in charge of the trump doctrine, few look at the
people, again, personnel, his policy, if you look at the people that donald trump has consciously surrounded himself with, his chief of staff is general kelly, a traditionalist, who is advising him on forth korea daily and he's got james mattis and other traditional guides. >> and another general. >> and another general. >> then, of course, his national security director. >> another general. >> general mcmaster. but these are also three generals who exceed the cost of war over the past 15, 16 years, one lost a son and i think most would call these three gentleman conservative with a small "c." at least they have in their past. mattis saw the hell that was fallujah. he understands the cost of war also. >> it is incredible that our nation, our democracy, who we are as a country is in the hands and being defended by three
gems. we grow up being taught to be a little leery of the military coming anywhere close to power. anywhere close to the west wing to the oval office, right, yet when you ask any democrat, any republican in washington, you mention those three names, you get pretty much universal praise. >> sort of one of these, thank god. but instead of a caddie, one of his golf clubs. >> or a party planner. >> it happens. >> it is early yet. >> here in new york the head of hud was the party planner for within of his son's wedding. >> the social media coordinator is his caddie. >> to his point about anxiety about military and civilian power, there is a tradition of that, obviously, it's also true that we're in this interesting era where the military is one of the few institutions that people trust. and so it's sort of striking in
2017 it is, in fact, military officers who have emerged as a body imt of an ideal of conservatism. >> that's the point, you can go and see what happened. we talked about the failure of institutions over 20, 25 years. can you go down the line, i don't want to name them all. but the one area where americans actually have more respect for an institution than they had 25 years ago. the one is the military. >> and they are the 1% they are the less than 1% that have gone off when planes flew in new york 16 years ago, those are the men and women that grabbed their gear and went while the rest of us lived in fear. the iraq war was four-years-old. the iraq war is still going on the war in afghanistan when we started the show was six-years-old that war is still going on now 16 years later. but on the question of the u.n., jonathan, you know, some of the
iron why i with donald trump and his posture towards the u.n., some of his victories have come thanks to the u.n., to the extent his screws have been tightened from north korea, that's come from the u.n., the sanction have been approved. whether or not they have impact remains to be seen. we'll see what the president says about it. but he has gotten help at least from that area in the u.n. >> this gets back to the question of the trump doctrine, i don't know what it is, i don't know, right. i don't know even what principle one is. so you have u.n. ambassador nikki haley there pushing the line, helping to push to get these sanctions out there, but then on the other hand you've bought the the president of the united states who will undercut her, undercut matters, under can the mcmaster, under cut kelly, poor kelly. >> that you, i have been saying to people, you cannot trust what
president trump says until he is forced to put pen to paper or forced to make a decision. because take for instance the recission of daca. jeff sessions goes out there, forcefully says this is no longer the laws of the land. you've got until october to re-up. the whole thing, later that day the president says, congress doesn't do anything, i will re-visit this that's domestically, he's done the same thing on the international stage. it leads to this imbalance, where actually the united nations becomes more important when u.s. leadership is not predictable. >> john the problem, can you talk to just about any foreign policy leader that is non-partisan the problem is that this strategy-free zone did not start with donald trump. barack obama for eight years had a doctrine that was defined by barack obama as don't do stupid
stuff. >> that led to unspooebl speakable horrors in syria and across the globe. then you go to eight years before that with george w. bush, a stcatastrophic policy. we had an advantage at the turn of the century t. united states was probably the strongest position any country had been in, since the roman empire 2,000 years before. we have squandered every advantage over the past 17 years. >> i think politically speaking for me to put it in nomenclature i understand is a film called with the the candidate" at the end of it is running, bill mckay, he's in the supposed to win, he's supposed to say all these things to make america feel good. his campaign manager hands him a note, now what. a lot of campaigns and things said to individuals, running the country is difficult. obviously, running the world and
having a doctrine and being able to lead, we can't lead the way we did as you said, 35, 40 years ago when we were an uncan youed power. >> no one can really say what's happening right now, john meekch a, how does a strategic vision emerge out of a situation like this? is there a precedence where the united nations discounts what the u.s. president says and tweets and looks elsewhere for page something. >> no. >> exactly. this isn't working? >> i have never given you such a brief answer. >> no, i love it. >> don adams once said -- >> there isn't. >> there are work-around, though. >> there are. >> angela merkel will figure out how to start through this. they're already trying to figure out how we sort through this. we discount the tweets, look at what general mattis says, we pick up the phone and callle him we know he is talking to the president. by the way, this goes back to what we said yesterday. donald trump's not just letting these people run around and say
whatever they want to say, it is -- there is some crazy method to this madness after he's reached out to democrats. and at this time same thing here. he talks america first. he talks about building the wall and at the same time you have general mattis saying don't worry, we will be there, we are right there by you. give me a call -- >> to your point even more so, you have trump saying that to some extent. right? when he's in these bilateral meetings, you know, he's all over the place. and i think it is a little like within are you if grade school, are you throwing stuff the teacher says, it's all good fun until somebody gets an eye put out this is all sort of fine. >> until my town i don't see e goes to war. john meacham, thank you. that was really.
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instead, did i say the word? >> yeah. >> fine, apologize, move on. >> so i repeat it. great apologies if i instead word instead of the letter. now chuck todd i will go get some soap. >> oh my gosh. so that really gives you a sense of just how tired we all were at all times. >> i got to say. >> no f-bombs today! >> the best part of that entire scene and there weren't a lot for me was mike barnacle's reobjection. >> oh my lord. >> it was like the best "snl" skit of us the best part of that was when mike barnical. >> what i liked about you proceed as if there was a question. if i said it? no, you said it. you said it. >> you said it! we were supposed to have a 7-second delay. i believe, alex goreson were you at the helm? >> no, that was another one. >> you messed another one
hundred. >> halperin, i said, get the 7 1ekd delay ready. he pressed the button, it was chopper . weather. >> it was tj's fault. he mixed up the buttons. >> what's wrong with you? >> with us here in studio 8? h. we have professor at the university of michigan rule of public policy, married ford, jr. and former chairman of the democratic national committee and former governor of pennsylvania and ms nbc news political analyst ed rendell. >> ed, the man. >> we talked about donald trump, everybody talks about donald trump. but all conversations are always centered around donald trump and it makes too many people overlook the problems that the democratic parties have. i always say, all the time, i always go back to the dnc this year in philadelphia, last year, where you said, we democrats have to do a better job of reaching out to, whoing class
mernts and we're not doing it. you told me privately, i'm afraid we're going to lose pennsylvania if we don't turn this around. here we are a year later, donald trump's had about as bad as eight months as they have. the democrats still struggle with the message. >> and they go out what happened? >> i the we struggle to such a degree, if the congressional elections were held next week, i'm not sure we'd make significant gains. we haven't found a message, it makes sense, it's all about trump t. people want to hear more than it's all about trump. we haven't found our voice yet. >> when harold 5:48 had an article yesterday saying, yes, donald trump has lost support. but if the presidential election were held today, there wouldn't be a big difference in how the states felt. what do the democrats do to take advantage of pretty remarkable opportunity? >> the governor is right.
we continue to lack in economic message that appeals to a majority of every day americans. >> why is that? >> you know the democrats put forward with the leadership a few weeks ago, something called a better deal. i think it's been forgotten. >> well, actually, i think arby's picked it up. >> what's the better deal? >> the point is no one knows. i think it's got -- >> i mean, i'm hungry. it's good if you're selling sandwiches, but not a party. >> i'm more of a pop eye's guy, but i hear you. but my point, the democrats, whenever we talk about jobs and growth and mayor, governor, my first campaign working in college was for the mayor. i was in fiphilly. he had a poignant economic message. we lacked one for the last presidential term. as great as mrs. clinton and
secretary clinton was, there was nothing to point to that said this is going to make my life better. we have to get better if we expect to win in 2018. >> that all sounds true, but there was a report that came out that median income is higher now than it's been. a lot of that is from full-time employment. a lot of the things that president obama tried to do over the eight years, he accomplished. i think the reality is maybe there's not a bumper sticker. there may not be a quick slogan, but the reality is i think democrats have to say the things that we sold you have come true. the things that the other cat is trying to sell you, a giant wall -- >> ten years ago it was a crisis. i hear you. the numbers are right, but if you were making x and 2005 and now three quarters x in 2017 and that's better than '07. you find yourself skeptical and
cautious and frankly a little fearful. >> we're still in the system still. not to sound like bernie sanders, but it's the truth. the richer are getting richer. the poor are getting poorer. the middle class is getting squeezed. try to send your kid to college if you're a middle class american. the costs of colleges are exploding. the costs of picture is exploding. you can go down the line and people are seeing slowly but surely the american dream slipping away. what their parents were able to do, what they were able to enjoy, the life they were able to live, that's out of the reach for a lot of younger americans. >> and that's why donald trump is talking about a middle class tax cut. he goes out and intentionally says this is not going to be a tax cut for the rich. this is for the middle class, the people who put me in the white house. i remember the conversations in philadelphia two summers ago, governor, at the democratic convention. we sat in the bar. it wasn't just you. vice president biden came in and said on national television,
you're not talking to my guys in scranton talking about hillary clint clinton. but there seems to be tension between the ren dell biden wing of the democratic party. and the more coastal progressive elements in the pear. do you feel the tension and which side revails? >> there is a tension, but there could be a commonality, the pro-life democrats, and there are still some and we ought to nurture them. the thing that ties us together is we do care about working people. and that's been the theme of the democratic party for decades and decades. it's been a winning theme. and when you talk about issues like that, where were the democrats on student loans? the democrats and president obama was the one who shaied do -- shaved down the middleman in student loans. we did a terrible job in messages. i thought the convention was
great. we didn't have one speaker who dwelled on the economy. speakers said things about uniting us. the messaging was good. not one speaker talked about the economy. and we do have a message. we have a message. combine that middle class tax cut joe talks about, no tax cut for the top 1 %. combined with infrastructure and a tax increase. if you're giving a middle class family and then -- >> you went to school in michigan. you still go up there a lot. you were warning us, actually, it's interesting. at my son's wedding you were telling everybody around the table two years ago, you and mika were the only ones saying that, donald trump is going to win. i'm not going to say this publicly. >> for was i in favor of it. >> no, but you said donald trump was going to win and you told us the week before the election, michigan is gone. trump is going to win michigan.
again, in an article i saw yesterday, donald trump is actually bleeding a lot of support in red states like texas, but he is strong still -- stronger, in michigan. in wisconsin. according to this article. he's maintaining more support there. why? >> i went to law school there and care deeply about the state. michael moore had the same opinion that trump could win and could win near the end. it boils down to the message. we've seen great progress, but it does not translate to everybody in everyday lives. a lot of people remember 12 years ago and look at where they are today. in michigan people talk about flint. democrats aren't talking about that. why we don't make that a topic.
why don't we go back to empowerment zones that clinton introduced years ago as we looked at communities who had a hard time attracting jobs and investment. we make it harder. i think a lot of what we've done in politics in the democratic side is take issues, we talk about rights for certain groups and issues that appeal to one group, women, african americans, lgbt community. we have to figure out how to unite the message. if we don't, americans will tune it out. we have to have a coherent message. clinton did it with the it's the economy stupid, trump did it with make america great again. even if he stole it from someone else. we have to figure out how to combine things to win. >> thank you very much. and john ridley too. >> thank you again. >> this time he's out. we're just getting started this morning. still ahead, the new jersey
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>> paris hilton story. okay? hold on a second. i'm going to make a point. we're not covering this. all right? i am -- i'm done with the paris hilton story. >> all right. >> i've ripped up the previous paris story. they are leading with it again. i'm shredding it. >> symbolic gesture number three. >> this is my paris hilton story. >> what a statement. what a statement about the state of journalism. >> you've changed the world, mika. >> that's right. i'm not doing it. i'm not doing the story. >> she's such a journalist. that was mika's hilton moment. ten years ago. and willie, you were saying that the remarkable thing about that was that there was a time when we would actually get news fed to us and they would expect us to read us. >> yes y. that paris hilton was anywhere near the show is a shocking statement. but i think that was --
>> who is she, anyway? >> i think that was more than a moment for you. it was a symbolic moment for the show. which is to say this is the way things have been done. these are the things you've seen talked about in the morning. they're literally going into a shredder and we're starting something new. >> mika got called into the front office and they were going to yell at her. >> no. i did get yelled at and i was forced to apologize. >> by the time she got out, it was like 5 million people on youtube saw it. it went global quickly. dr. brzezinski was at a conference in the middle east talking about peace. and he finished a very important speech and said i will now answer your questions. and the first question much to his chagrin was about his daughter, mika. what do you think about the paris hilton incident? and he goes paris hilton? is that a hotel? so -- that was crazy. you are such a journalist.
>> oh -- >> willie and i -- >> along with joe, willie and me, we drink in somewhere some reason, donny deutsche. >> what are you doing? >> get out of here. >> i asked you yesterday, because i grew up watching johnny carson on the anniversary shows. i said is this black tie, and you said yes, so here i am. >> no, it's not, and that looks ridiculo ridiculous. >> people constantly stop me why do mika and joe hate you so much? why are they so mean? we're friends. it's just television. >> are you winning or losing? >> it's just show business, until it's not. >> the host of deadline white house at 4:00 here on msnbc, nicole wallace. and next to nicole we have the mayor of new york city bill de blasio who has something to say
this morning. what is this? do you have a gift for me? >> i have a gift for you both. first, i have to tell you january 2008 i was out working on the iowa caucuses. a small town in iowa. i'm staying in a motel 6. i turn on the tv early in the morning and i saw something i never saw before, which was an intelligence conversation that really gripped me. i've been watching ever since. >> wow. >> thank you so much. >> that's really nice. >> as do so many people in the city. on behalf of 8.5 new yorkers, i want you to hold this up so the people of new york and of the united states can see this. >> all right. very nice. >> this is something -- i'm going to read the most important part. this official proclamation says new york city has always been at the forefront of media and entertainment, and when "morning joe" premiered in 2007 it raised
our country's news to a new height of excellence. together, they comprise a trio of intelligent, outspoken and witting personalities who provide thought provoking coverage making the show a must-watch morning jolt for the viewers in the five areas and across our great nation. now, therefore, i the mayor of the city of new york declare tuesday, september 19, 2017, as morning joe day. >> thank you, mr. mayor. thank you. >> willie, it's like a bell. you hold it up. there you go. >> that's cool. >> it's "morning joe" day. >> mr. mayor, of course he picks a day where nothing else is going on in new york city.
no. >> yeah. this is it. >> donny wanted to know if he could get a wallet size version for his next arrest. >> i think that he's already ready for his next arrest. >> by the way, she told me a different story when i met her. >> wow. >> mr. mayor, thank you, donny, for ruining a wonderful moment. >> like get out. >> this is wonderful. we have to go to policy now. what makes you such a great mayor? >> i like that. >> explain, we have some people from out of town that are here. can you explain that today is probably one of the busiest days ever to ride in new york city. we as new yorkers that have been here for a long time know that u.n. week is the week where you stay on the west side or don't come into the city at all.
but you combine donald trump being president of the united states, how much is this costing the city? >> well, it costs quite a bit, but i have to tell you, we're h honored to host the united nations and we have the finest police force in the country that allowstous make this work every single year. >> yeah. >> and joe, you paid close attention to this right now. the extraordinary work of the nypd, we're the safest big city in america. we know how to handle it. >> how much of a challenge, and i understand the president has not been in new york as much. i know the transition was -- >> stop that. >> that's not a laugh line. >> that was a driver. >> he's actually -- >> that's not partisan. just someone who drives. >> the president is saving us a lot of money by going to jersey because it's impossible to get around this city when he's here.
have you had conversations about him staying out of manhattan? again -- >> you should say yes. >> i'm actually saying for the good of manhattan and for the good of the people who ride around here. >> not an applause line. >> i'm going to give you a shocking nonpartisan moment. >> i have actually defended the president's right to go where he feels he needs to go. this is his home city. i have huge differences with him on policy, but it's his home city. i've said if he feels the need to come here sometimes to connect with the place he grew up, he has that right. to his credit, a sentence i don't usually use with the president, but to his credit, he's chosen to stay out of the city because he knows how much destruction it involves? >> because he knows he gets booed. >> no, i do want to say this. and nicole, with all the problems you have with the president, i'm sure you appreciate also the fact that he goes to bed minister instead of coming here.
he has said when i go to my home, it disrupts midtown manhattan. >> when george bush came for this week, and there were a lot of people in the city and world leaders that had their own problems with george bush, he didn't move around. and that wasn't because he expected to be able to come to him, but that was to not create more movements to jam up the city. presidents are usually made aware not because they're personally inveesconvenienced by their staff how much it jams the city. >> last time he was here and i happened to be near trump tower and had the big rat up there, and people were booing. it was like an angry mob. for a guy who's mind is all about being loved and goes to places where he's going to be cheered, i do think he's less proned to come back to the city because he's not coming back as a hero. he's a loathed figure in manhattan right now. >> we doesn't here the boos.
>> well, i think it has something to do with it. >> mr. mayor, you're running for another term. yesterday you got the endorsement of the state's governor. andrew cuomo came out. i won't call it a flowery endorsement, but he said he won the democratic election. i am a democrat. i support democrats. >> i like the robotic voice. >> what's your reaction to his endorsement? i don't know if you read the tab tloids, but apparently you have a strained relationship. >> that is over real differences about how we govern. and that's what i care about. not the politics. i think in the end the political relationship is a lot less important than what he's doing for new york city or not in the interest of new york city. there was a great saying i live by. if a governor helps new york city j stand by him. if he does something that hurts new yorkers, take him on.
i represent 8.5 million people. i have 8.5 million people to look out for. >> what has he done that's not been in the best interest of new york city. >> we had a fight in albany over mayor control of the school. it's been essential -- new york city, highest graduation rate in our history because of mayor control of education. on other things, i've seen him take away resources from new york city and undercut our efforts to create a fairer city. look, we call them like we see them. >> nicole, let's go from city politics to national politics. we've been talking about, obviously, all of us have been talking about the republican party. you and i specifically about the problems with the republican party or republican party that oftentimes we don't recognize anymore. i left the republican party to
be an independent. i think you're just barely hanging on. >> a practicing republican. >> i think one of the most -- >> i'm not a practicing republican. >> you're not a practicing republican. name only. but even in these terrible times, we would say for the republican party, it seems the democratic party is doing even worse. are we seeing the end, the 150-year end of whin political history. >> i was listening with interest when you were talking to harold ford about the democratic party's problems and reaching out to what used to be their base, working class voters. as you both know, i went out post election, for getting it wrong, like many people who do what i do was to spend three months embedded with people who
voted for donald trump. >> what did you find? >> i found i was the first one to call them and ask them why. these were union leaders who hadn't heard from national or statewide democrats. >> still haven't? >> still haven't. they were on the democratic voter roll. they had walked precincts for democrats. they were bill clinton voters and two-time obama voters. they weren't part of the hard right base. these were democrats through and through. >> and by the way, what comfort that must be for certain democrats to say the only reason hillary clinton lost was because americans are misogynists and racists, when you had people who voted for obama twice voting for trump. >> any time you hear democrats denigrating trump voters, they're missing the point. if working class people felt
alienated from the democratic party, that's logical to feel alienated from someone who doesn't take care of your needs. >> and they felt alienated from people like us in the republican party too. >> he blew up both parties. they said he talks like me. they like that he wasn't an elite. what they rejected was the fact that the kids of republicans, the kids of democrats, and the kids of elite journalists all went to the same private schools and we had all sort of drifted away in our own bubble. it was really about class and elitism, and i think to put some of this on paul ryan and mitch mcconnell, it was about a republican party espousing policies on free trade and other things that had nothing to do with their lives? >> in 2004, george w. bush, all he had was a w. i would drive around, and i would see that w., and i would laugh, and people go what are
you laughing at? i said that w. is a middle finger to elites. >> yeah. >> that's what it's saying to elites. i'm putting this on my car, and they're saying i won't say the word. something you. >> thank you. >> media. academics, washington d.c. you call me stupid? i'll tell you what. and this is really. i was saying this in '04. you call me stupid, i'll put another w. on this. i'm saying that as a guy who was really harsh to george w. for most of his presidency, as you know, but there is such a cultural divide for so many people. it's not so much about voting for george w. twice or donald trump. it's being called stupid. >> exactly. >> and having people sneering and looking down whether it's on shows like this or whether it's in movie theater or whether it's on college campuses? . >> yeah. and i don't think that democrats are lost because of issues. they're lost because they don't
have any transformative figures. you can't just be a lame politician anymore. i think going forward, whether we see the rock running for president or a former schoolteacher, we don't want politicians to look, act, talk, like politicians. see what paul ryan and mitch mcconnell looks like? that's not what we want anymore. i'll name five democrats, but that is the message going forward. we live in a different age, and whether you love or hate donald trump, that's a show you want to see every day. >> she >> he's exposed. >> you have to pull together all these different groups, different races, religions, socio-economics, five different areas that are five different places. what is your advice or what lessons did you learn from clinto clinton's loss? >> you respect the voters. people are alienated because
they have not been able to move forward economically, and they don't think their children have a better future than they had nature that w. democrats have to take responsibility for that and talk to people and listen to them. exactly as nicole did. by the way, i think my argument would be chuck schumer's new vision for the party starts us on a better road. >> he just can't be the messenger. >> people vote for people, not messages. >> i want to argue that. i think messages matter a lot. >> if that was the case, clinton clinton would be the president. >> i don't know about that. >> i don't think she put the message forward. >> it was stronger together or something. >> i'm with her. >> that was not the message that mattered to everyday people. it's respecting the voters. voters are more discerning than they get credit for. you've run for office. you know. the rest of the country, voters are very discerning. what i think it comes down to is
saying we want to address your economic challenges. we want to address the fact that people feel stuck. here are real things that will change it and go out to people including people -- this is what i learned. go places where you may not be loved. and have the discussion -- >> that was the secret. by the way, we're talking about messages, and we're talking about messengers. a lot of it has to do with hard work. knocking on doors. barack obama after the election said something that politicians who actually haven't been in a bubble their whole life say. he said we would go to counties in iowa where i was down 50%. i knew i wasn't going to win, but if we could only lose it by 20 %, then that's -- we're plus 30 % in that county. you go. like you said, go where you aren't comfortable. go to places where you're not going to win. >> that's right. >> and make them think twice. >> make the case.
you said a lot of your panelists had been to paris more than they'd been to staten island. >> every one of them. >> and so i'll tell you something -- >> i'm sorry. >> i'll give you my own example. i don't usually do that well on staten island, but i keep doing well. you want to talk to people and show them the government can work for them. their skepticism is well earned. they've seen government not perform when it was supposed to. you go out and show people you mean it and show them something that worked and they'll start to listen. because voters this is about their lives. they can't afford to be close minded. they're listening and those democrats, obama, obama/trump, they can come back. >> can i congratulate you and thank you. ten years, the best political conversation on television. >> another great conversation. mayor, thank you. donny deutsche, thank you. >> really, thank you for
stinking up a special beautiful moment. donny. oh, my god. >> get out of here. >> nicole wallace, thank you. >> nicole, congratulations on all your success. >> still ahead on "morning joe," the new jersey governor, the former new york city mayor, tony blair, and tom brokaw, andrea mitchel and al sharpton. "morning joe," ten years in the making back in a moment. >> i believed from the first moment i saw him in 2004 at the democratic national convention. i felt him and i move on instin instinct. i felt one day this man will be president of the united states. >> and you talk about something that i think a campaign and also that moment that really broke down, i believe, racial barriers when people stopped saying oh, this is special because it's an african american. >> no.
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ignatius, andrea mitchel. it's great to have you with us. >> tom brokaw, so much history in this room, but i remember being a high school senior watching you in this studio at 8:15 p.m. calling what i would say was the second most shocking call in modern american history. and that was that a former b-list actor had just shocked the world and was sweeping a saw of blue. >> he was also a two-term governor. that was the beginning of a new form of calling elections. we had such great exit polls that we could make the call because whatever happened west of the mississippi river was not going to change the results that night, and ronald reagan was
being elected in a landslide. it was a stunning moment. also on the senate side the great eye lions, it was an important moment in american politics. again, that was a time when no one knew quite what to expect. the difference is he governored the state of california who terms. he put together a brilliant staff in the white house, picking james baker to run his white house. the man who had run against him, and it was one of the great choices that he made. and then he had all these seasoned people who came to work for him at that point, and for many, many people, those eight years of ronald reagan for the shining moment in their political history. >> very experienced hands. we now look andrea mitchel, we were talking about the military men that are surrounding this
president. it could be a cause for concern. at the same time it seems that these military men also spent the past 16, 17 years watching the tragedy of fallujah, watching the personal tragedy of afghanistan. general kelly losing his son. these are men who were tempered already by war. >> and i think what we see is an entirely new generation of military leaders who are, they're academics, plos fors, students. they are fighters. they are war fighters, but they also have a great deal of balance and are not intimidated by civilian leaders. when you see general mattis and even the man i cover full-time, rex tillerson who doesn't come with any experience diplomatically, and i've been tough on him, most recently the last 24, he as well as general mattis in the tank over at the
pentagon trying to persuade trump that there's a bigger vision. >> david ignatius, it feels like we talk about the generals as if we're imbalanced and looking for guardrails to hang onto, because it's the president himself today who will be addressing the u.n., and it's the president who makes these ultimate decisions. and how does that play out as we try and figure out what'v is th trump doctrine? >> the president will make a speech that tries to lay foundation stones. i think back to when he was inaugurated, we were together on that day, and i remember wondering what's ahead? there's a famous phrase that dean ashson used, president at the creation. the building of this world that we've lived in. and i wondered on inauguration day, are we present at the destruction? trump was so specific in saying i'm going after the liberal
international order. america first, these institutions. the alliances we have, that's over. that was the message at first. so when i watched him yesterday go to the u.n. and say you're my partner, i think today in his speech you'll make similar statements toward traditional allies. who does he talk to? he talks to abe in japan. he talks to macron in france. it looks an awful lot like american foreign policy. compared to where we were, we've come -- >> and the president several times sent some pretty negative signals to nato, and yet, has seemed over time to move more toward a tradition until american position. we have to say again, with a caveat, that could all change in the next 15 minutes. a lot of world leaders and david ignatius said it the other day, are starting to say okay, his tweet's fine. fine. that's more domestic consumption
only. we're looking at his policy, and we're talking to mattis and tillerson and others who apparently are talking to the president daily. >> yeah. i think the difference between the day we sat here on inauguration day, today, steve bannon is not there. michael flynn is not there. general kelly is there. general mattis is there. he's surrounded himself with different people, and as much as we hear from president trump on twitter and short bursts, we don't often get to see him articulate his world view and where he believes we should fit on this great map of the world. so what do you think you're going to hear from him today that makes more clear where america is going? >> i think it will be more pragmatic. he'll find somewhere in the middle. i don't think he'll go in there and beat the hell out of all the leaders before him. i think he's now more under the influence of the generals we've
just talked about. >> and we need those countries to line up with us. >> we do. >> against north korea. >> and he's not wrong about the united nations not being a very efficient organization, by the way. the money that is wasted, about how they go after israel and how they kind of gang up on people who are not necessarily our friends, so i think there is a kind of taking to the wood shed of the united nations as an institution. but at the same time you cannot deny that we live in this global world. let me say one other thing about the generals. these generals got advanced degrees because post vietnam the army reinstituted itself better than almost any institution i've seen in america. and they sent them to graduate school and they were looking for people who could be statesman because vietnam was such a disaster. the question is what comes out of this chaos we're in now? i think that's the big question. and this comes at a time when
ken burns was on the air with the 18 hours of vietnam, and you go back and look at the beginning of that, and then the consequences of it, and it really is something to keep in mind. as we go forward. >> it is, and donald trump is not the first person to say the united nations has been inefficient. madeleine albright said the u.n. must reform or die and the long running joke over there is how many people work at the u.n.? the answer, about a third of them. i mean, and that -- that's a 40-year-old joke. >> donald trump's instincts are not going to change. you see it on twitter. but i was struck in reading more about reagan. i covered eight years of him. the change from the man who talked about the evil empire and the man who cut deals with gorbachev and talked about the vision of a world without nuclear weapons is extraordinary. it was smart advisers. i think that having kelly and mattis around him is really --
has been critical. >> and david ignatius, important to remember that it is the president who put those generals there. there are a lot of people that -- nikki haley is in favor with donald trump. nikki haley has said more things that crossed donald trump statements on policy than just about anybody. >> in our system, the commander in chief has unique power, and donald trump is going to insist on using it. i think over time it's going to be impossible to be the president he wants and to be so erratic with his tweets. >> i can only hope. >> a year from now, i have a feeling we're going to look at those differently. >> keep your eye on nikki haley, though. yesterday she was at his side. she was attached to donald trump. not the secretary of state. >> tom brokaw, david ignatius, andrea mitchel, thank you all. oh, boy.
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trenton. >> yeah, baby. >> are you going to talk directly to viewers? >> will i talk directly to viewers? >> and get mad at them? >> if you want me to. >> the new jersey governor, who did he take on? >> gayle f. >> it was gayle. yes. >> she wondered where my kids went to school and why. >> it's none of your business. that's what i told her. i'm not going to change the answer for you. >> i understand. i need to use that answer a lot more. go on. >> it's a good one. >> i wish i could do that. >> i saw the beginning of the show this morning. how about the young willie geist? that look was really quite something. >> the hair. >> the hair. >> you were like a little rascal. >> that's the only time we knew you were from jersey. it was the hair. >> that was the original jersey hair. >> yeah. really well done. that was very nice. >> you're winding down a remarkable 2800 days as governor. >> not that i'm counting.
>> what a roller coaster ride. >> yeah. >> it's very interesting. we always told the story even when you were down in the polls, you didn't care. when you were up, you didn't care you were up. but i think back to your reelection, time magazine talking about having you on the cover and everybody saying this is the future of the republican party. you look back at that time with regret? with sadness? >> no, happiness. you get 61% of the vote as a republican in new jersey, that's a happy time. a few weeks after that got a little less happy, but the fact is that that was an incredibly happy time. if i had told you when i first started coming in the show in 2010 we were cutting budget and doing the pension stuff, and a lot of controversy and yelling with public workers, that four years later we'd have 61% of the vote for reelection, i think you would have told me good luck. >> so what happened? >> we spent it.
i spent time doing hard thing. i think political capital is there to be spent. when you're in the approval in the 70s, do to unpopular things then. you have room to drop. and then some other things happened that people who -- >> did you ever expect the bridge story when it first hit to expand the way it did? >> no. i can't thank your network enough for that, too. your network made a cottage industry for about three months on that. my secretary, rachel maddow, an hour special. >> your prime time thanks you as well. >> i'm sure they did. we put them on the map. no, i didn't expect -- listen, it's not awkward. >> i love awkward. >> you know why it's not awkward? >> believe me, she does. >> it's not awkward, because i knew then, and i know now that i didn't do anything wrong, and all that came out in the long
run, and all the people yelling and screaming at the time that i did something wrong, i knew they were wrong. you have to wait history out. that's what i did. >> let's change the subject and make it even more awkward. >> excellent. are we going to talk about our odd attraction? that's very awkward. >> he just did that. he went there. usually donny does that stuff. oh, my god. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. which awkward thing did you want to talk about? >> get it out, mika. >> trump. >> the president, you mean? >> yeah. >> the president of the united states. you over the years, we've gotten to know you as someone who says it like it is. and someone who isn't afraid to say something even if it's really awkward, or punching or whatever. so what do you -- >> so what's this? i think i'm about to get shafted, everybody. get ready. >> the last time you were on, you said he was fit to lead. you can't be serious. >> i am serious. sure i am. i am serious.
listen, everybody is allowed to have a different opinion in this country. and so are you. you're allowed to have a different opinion. you don't think he's fit to lead. that's okay by you. i feel differently. now, that doesn't mean that every tweet he sends out i agree with. i talk to him on a regular basis. when i don't agree, i tell him. that's the benefit -- >> so there are some things you completely don't agree with? >> of course. and there's things i've done i'm sure, i think this is less likely, but there may have been some things that even you don't agree with that i've done. >> oh, good lord. >> joe, you know it's true. >> governor, what's an example of something you called president trump and said i didn't like what you did today or yesterday, and how does he react? >> well, let's go back to the campaign. >> no, recently as president. >> i mean, as recently as president? i mean, listen, i was not a guy who favored the muslim ban. and i told him that. and i told him that i thought it
was both problematic legally and not the right thing to do from the image of the united states. and the kind of people that we are. i told him that. how does he react? it depends on the day. some days he'll get quiet with me about it and listen, and that's that. other days he'll yell back at me and fight and ask me why i'm so hard on him, and that kind of thing. i've been his friend for 15 years. i think i have license. i've told him this. i think i have license to say after 15 years of being his friend and running against him, that i can say what i want to say, and i do. >> no loyalty pledge? >> your friend threw you under the bus. you should have been vice president. he threw you under the bus. then you were going to be attorney general. i bet he wished he named you attorney general. he got thrown under the bus twice there. is he still your friend? >> sure. that's politics. >> he wasn't loyal to you. >> the fact of the matter is that's politics and the times. if you're going to get into this
business, you have to know that sometimes people make those kinds of decisions, but no, it doesn't change 15 years of friendship. i mean, if it was a year of frip, maybe. 15 years, no. >> what would you have done if you were attorney general on daca if you had to do with jeff sessions did? >> i would have said what i said during the campaign. i never thought the executive order was the right way to do it and i thought the president then, president obama, shouldn't have done that. i think he should have forced congress to do what they needed to do and sat down and made a deal with them. i think this president should do the same thing. this is something that should be enshrined in statute. it shouldn't be from the whim of one president to another. it should be something that the congress passes, makes the law, and the president signs. so we don't have to worry about it any longer, it's part of a law. i think that's an important thing. and mike and i would have told the president if i was his attorney general j i would have told him that and helped him on
capitol hill and other places to get it done. >> it's going to be a long week. >> i don't know. >> not now, but waiting for congress. >> traditionally it is, but i think because of what he did, he's given him a narrow tame frame to do something, if they don't, they'll pay the price. >> governor, thank you so much. >> i'm so looking forward. it's great. >> coming up, michael bloomberg joins us when "morning joe" continues. my dell small business advisor
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49 past the hour. joining us now "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner. >> the man with the golden charts. >> and the former mayor of new york city, michael bloomberg. great to have you both. you cut the ribbon. >> my peeps. >> no, you. you came and cut the ribbon at the 30 -rock. >> the important thing is this is ten years since i became an independent, and he just became an independent, and it took him ten years to listen to me. >> it took you a long time. >> it always does. >> i brought you something. a purple tie. that's a combination of red and
blue, an independent. >> all right. i like it. i will wear it. probably costs more than my salary. >> really. bloomberg bought you that, that's bloomberg bought you th >> this is a great present. we were just talking about the new york police department. there's a new book out that talks about their work during your administration. i still think it's one of the more remarkable achievements of government that new york city turned from what it was in the 70s and the 80s to what it is today. >> a lot of people it did that. each mayor has built on what was left to him or her by the previous one. leaves previous jobs for the next one. strength of the police department great commissioners. diversity. spending the money, we spent a lot of money on big police department and also the strength of the officers at the site. the sergeants. the sergeants are well trained.
i've always thought that was the key. the sergeant is the one that says you go over there. you shoot. you talk. you don't talk. whatever. that's what keeps things from spiraling. >> al sharpton was here. there were things happening. protests across the country. we had a terrible incident in new york city. a lot of people went out and marched, but marched peacefully. they were there all along. >> al sharpton deserves credit. agree with him on a lot of things. sharpton was always a force in the end. he deserves some credit. kelly and i both had good relationships. why is this the safest large city in america? what happened and what lesson can cities like chicago take from what you did. >> one of the things i always thought is the geography of new york keeps it basically
together. it doesn't spread out so far. that's true. staten island and queens. we depend on each other. we talk together. we take mass transit together. we go to stores together. the diversions that other people see we don't really see. 40% of all the people that live in new york city were born outside of the united states. that's been true for many years. >> steve, it's a good time on this tenth anniversary to assess where the economy is. that's your specialty. when we started the show, we were a year away from the meltdown of 2008. here we are with a president donald trump coming up on the fall of 2017. how much is the economy, how much responsibility does donald trump have for it, how much does barack obama have. >> the economy continues to do more or less what it did under barack obama. grow at 2%. low inflation. creating 180, 200,000 jobs a
year. pay is starting to go up. particularly for groups like white middle aged men have a very long way to go. i think the really essential question is donald trump was elected to do something about the lives of these working class white americans who have been left behind and if you look at his policies. none of them would actually do that. he wants to cut the budget in many key departments in labor and hud and things like that. wants to cut taxes. we don't know what. all the tax plans so far have been on the rich. >> let me ask you one of the great challenges, the rich keep getting richer. the poor keep getting poorer. the middle class keeps getting squeezed. tuition for colleges keeps going up. people feel like every year they keep falling further and further behind. this has been our economic reality for 20, 25 years. why is that? >> how do we turn that around? >> the reasons have a lot to do with a variety of factors. automation, globalization, training, skills.
all of those different things. biggest i think you would say in the earlier part of this period latter period. it's actually china. for all the talk about robots taking over jobs, productivity which is a measure of robots is increasing more slowly now than it has in a long time. just the one point i want to make. >> the next ten years, robots are going to host morning joe. >> god willing. >> yes. nobody can think they've been hosting for the last ten years. just the central point i want to make quickly. it relates to something mike and i want to talk about. the question how do we fix it. there's nothing in the trump agenda that would fix it. >> the first thing is global trade. >> we have reduced poverty in the world by 50% over the last three decades. virtually all in the third
world. all because of global trade. if we want more business and more jobs for american workers, we have to find new markets. coming off the markets. and not being able to compete because we're afraid to bring foreign labor in and starting inside and new businesses. just an anti-job creation. think of it that way. this business we have to protect american jobs, yes we do. we have to have more american jobs. the way you should do it is going in the the opposite direction to some of the policies the trump administration has exposed up until now. who knows what they're going to say tomorrow. >> who knows what they'll say in an hour. >> yes, in abmentioned the issu everybody is familiar with the issues in chicago. one of the things that is striking about new york city and referenced 40% coming here from other countries. is the diversity. the nature of the city.
the reflection you see when you're on the subway or out in the streets. how does this happen on a daily basis with such an undercurrent of civility. there are certainly things that make the tabloids. >> i've always thought whether it's the federal level, state level, city level. it's the woman or the man at top that really sets the tone and has 90% of the deliverables. people follow the leader. what donald trump says or tweets people listen to that. we've seen people not come to america. some of our employees don't want to work in america. that's not good. at the state level and city level, you have to have a leader that stands up there and visits people when there's a mistake or disaster. you have to go out and walk into the crowd and say i'm here. i understand. i'm going to find out what happens. i'm going to protect the people that are protecting us. the cops.
copin you also have to make people think you care and give everybody a fair shake. i think in the united states, mayors, whether it was jenkins or koch before him or giuliani or bloomberg or de blasio. what happens in chicago, i don't know. i can't quite figure out why they have some of the problems they do. whether it's homeless. you go to california, san francisco, homeless is a disaster. in new york we see a little more homeless. not a lot. not compared to anyplace out. >> all right. former mayor michael bloomberg. thank you so much and thank you for the time. >> i will wear it with pride. >> steve, remember he started out as the car tsar p. >> now he's the man with the golden charts. >> absolutely. thank you very much, both of
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a lot going on in the world right now, joe. a lot of killing and a lot of stupidity. that's the way it is. if you look at fdr. >> you have to let us ask questions. you can't just talk. you have to let us ask questions. >> no, no, i'm not just talking. i'm giving you the facts. >> you're not going to keep talking. we will go to break if you keep talking. >> go to break then, joe. i'll i'm doing is giving you the facts. >> go to break right now. we'll be back with more morning joe.
as you can see, we own all awkward moments. nicole is there. she said i am sweating, but it came back after the commercial. >> he actually did. alex was -- he saw the light was still blinking. like the scene from ferris bueller's day off. he's like oh, god. he presses the button. he gets it. mr. trump, are you still there. donald goes yes. he said, do you still want to be on the show. >> he goes well i don't like being yelled at. alex, he wants to come back on i said will he answer the questions. this is the secret on donald trump. after being hung up on, he actually answered the question. it was on another 25 minutes. >> we actually offered other candidates too. the opportunity to come on any time they wanted. >> every day. >> every day.
call us in, you can come. why is trump on so much. because he would call in. the only person that took us up on the offer, lindsey graham. >> lindsey. >> welcome back to morning joe, everybody. we are marking ten years of our show being on the air. ten years. how does that feel? >> i just got really tired. >> we have washington anchor from world news america. and the president of the council on foreign relations. and former british prime minster, tony blare. >> so mr. prime minster, you actually did something important for ten years. you were prime minster of great britain. and mika and i found -- there's reaction when we were in london for a couple of weeks this
summer. we expected people to come up to us and say, oh, you fools. that's what we hear back here. you fools, you americans, you have an idiot whose donald trump. you just sort of apologize ahead of time going yes, yes, i know. the reaction from britain from most british people i talked to was stunning. they said, no, no, no. your problem is with the person. he will go away. britain's problem is much bigger. it's staying with us. i was stunned by that reaction. what's going on in britain and why is there this feeling of sort of this impending doom. >> brexit basically, but before i get to that, let me congratulate you on your ten years. >> thank you. >> it's been a magnificent show. i was prime minster ten years. the difference is your ratings are still higher. >> stop that. the thing with brexit it's a destiny changing decision.
it's a decision not for a terms of office. it's a decision for many generations. bringing britain out of the european out of political and economic structures is obviously a huge thing for the country. frankly not surprising to me that over in britain right now, obviously we look at what's happening with president trump with a certain amount of interest, but the key thing for us is around our own situation. look, a lot of what drove the vote on brexit, i think, was very similar to what drove the decision in your election too. >> we saw mr. prime minster another terrorist attack in london just last week on the subway. it's been a terrible year that way for the uk going to the london bridge and westminister bridge and bombing in manchester. how much is that a focus on what the government there is thinking about each and every day and how concerned is that country about integration of its culture. >> really concerned about it. obviously you know, the situation here after 9/11 in new
york now we've not had tax on that scale obviously, but every week we're foiling a tax. this is happening all over europe. the causes of this are very deep. i think this is something by the way that stretches across the political spectrum. everyone is united the trying to defeat the terrorism and protect values. vast majority of people including muslim community want to integrate and be part of society. there is an element that has become radicalized. adheres to this extreme etiology. we have to defeat it. >> you're one of those rare prime minsters that has come to the united states. everybody loves you and i've seen you stand in congress and give addresses to the joint session there and get rounds of standing ovation. even more that joe and mika get sometimes. occasionally he does. back home you suggested your ratings aren't as high. how do you account for that. as you watch your career,
account for the fact your popularity is higher in the united states than back in britain. i was think the interesting thing about the joush rney of politics is when you take office and begin at your most popular and least capable and you end at least capable and most popular. the fact is you take difficult decisions and people can object to decisions and so on. the thing you always have to remember is enormous privilege to do it. i think however difficult it is, you just have to make up your mind to go through that. right now, i mean, i'm a little bit back in the politics because of brexit. i feel it's a distraction and not a solution. i want to try and help as much as i can. get to the stage where at least we take a final decision as a country when we see the alternative. >> are you getting an audience on brexit. >> i think it is as joe was just saying, the dominant issue. i think at the moment, opinions
not changed and very divided. the thing about british politics right now. very similar to u.s. politics is the division is enormous. not a lot of interaction between the two sides of the debate. >> it's also not easy to draw the lines and say this is how they're going to vote or that's how they're going to vote. somebody who is a labor party, a loyal labor party member in the north, may be for brexit. it doesn't follow along those lines. i want to say about british politics. it is so interesting. you are so popular in the united states. i remember when margaret thatcher died. even liberals, american liberals were saying, but for margaret thatcher, great britain would have gone in a bad drek. it's extraordinary what she was able to do and give british commentators. and then you go, yes, she saved britain's economy, but.
and british people are pretty tough. >> it's a tough media environment. the question for me is how do you deal with people that voted for brexit maybe not on a detailed example, but voted because they were worried about immigration, cultural questions. exactly the same types of things you're talking about in america. kmupts, people feeling left behind. if we're going to revive the center of politics. we've got to put forward solutions for those people that work. there are two types of politics the day i see both sides of the atlantic. one wants to ride the anchor and the other has to provide the answer. if we're not providing the answer, people will come along the ride the anger. >> how fascinating america and britain have talked about this anglo sax son work ethic we have and the rest of america and
europe don't have. yet it's america and britain reverting back to populist instincts while the continent seems to be holding steady. france held steady with macron. center seems to be holding for the most part on the continent. >> taking itself out of really missing the boat. that's part of the trangdy here. ones to go out when europe shows sign of getting act together. ask the prime minster something else. think of ten years in office. now you have the north korea problem. middle east unraveling. russia and ukraine. the world by any measure is objectively far worse than it was when you were in office. what has gone wrong? to what do you attribute the deterioration of the world. >> there's a whole set of different things happening. issues with extremism on which
is growing worldwide. you have new powers arising. upsetting the go politics of the world. i think for hundreds of years, the west is basically dominated the politics of the world. you know more about this than me. the 21st century, you're going to have china. got enormous power. you have india coming up behind. you've got russia. brazil. all the large population countries, and, of course, you've still got the u.s. as the predominant power at this present time. creating a huge amount of uncertainty. one of the things i think is so important right now. america and europe stay together because this will be a battle about values as well. we think of the democratic way of life as this is everyone aspires to it. going to win through. as you know, richard, there is a different model of leadership out there. and large parts of the world are following it. even parts within our own democracy are following it.
agree with what richard is saying about europe. macron won it in france. le pen got double the votes of her father. elections all over europe at the moment with the far left and far right doing well. >> this warning, later today, president trump will address the u.n. general assembly for the first time as president of the united states. if you were drafting that speech, we know what we heard you want to talk about north korea and the pressure. wants to talk about iran. if you were sitting with him this morning and giving final notes, what would you hope the american president would say today. >> realistic. a lot less emphasis on america first. the rest of the world hears that, they think where does that leave us. common threats need collective response. we reached a point in history where union lat richl is not a serious answer. united states can't insulate from what it goes on around the world. we have a shared fate.
we're prepared to play our traditional role of leading. we want you to do more, but we're also prepared. >> general mats says that. other people in the administration say that. nikki haley says that. united nations all the time. is there beginning to be a realization inside the foreign policy community that perhaps donald trump's tweets are for public consumption only. domestic consumption only. problem with that is people listen. words matter. >> i understand that words matter. we're now eight months in. do we have a track record over the past eight months what nikki haley says and general mats says ends up being u.s. policy more than what donald trump tweets. >> let's see what he does about paris climate change. let's see whether we fashion a collective response on north korea. let's see what we do on helping ukraine. sanctions towards russia. so many things that's possible. we can hope for that. we're not there yet.
>> former british prime minster tony blare. thank you very much for being on this morning. we love having you. just ahead. we're going to have eugene robinson of the washington post. sam stein of the daily beast. ten years later still looks like he's just 18, but first senator of new jersey. morning joe is back from studio 8 h right after this. kevin, meet your father. kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin trusted advice for life. kevin, how's your mom? life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you.
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we've moved now from the field inside the score board. keep perspective here. left field. i can look out and see home plate from where i am. >> one of two manuel score boards left in baseball. it is manual. here's how it works. >> ernie teaches me. the best part is you have baseball in the day. and love at night. >> safe to say the coldest we have been. >> no, i think there was a colder show. that was cold. >> that was one of them. wrigley field. >> oh, my gosh. they put us out in the lawn. >> no. exactly. negative four. >> family dog. in the dog house. joins us now from washington, senator claire mc.
>> you look so young after ten years. it's amazing. >> it's amazing the magic of show business. >> it happens. what words of hope, what encouragement do you have for everybody watching the show this morning about the next ten years. >> i think a lot of people in missouri, i've done 43 town halls in missouri. mostly in places where i'm not very popular. what i heard over and over again is why can't you guys just compromise. and i really do think the middle matters. in the old days, the senate would take the 15 and far left and the 15 on the far right. they'd stay on the curb. other 7 o senators would hammer around. negotiate and make progress, but
we understand we would get things done. then kind of fallen by the wayside. what they try to do with health care is drive i represent back in from the right. that didn't work. hopefully now with lamar alexander and republicans that have worked in this negotiated environment for so long, we're going to get back to seeing bipartisan. >> is there anyone in the white house that you feel can help move this process in a positive direction. >> that's a good question. i don't know the answer to that. i don't have a lot of contact with the white house. i would say. thrilled about and love to work with her on that. jared kushner has reached out to me on it procurement reform. worked on for many years. love to help with that. i do -- i think we'll see on tax how this works.
if gary cohen is empowered. gary cohen is somebody who does talk to democrats. really i think cognisant of the need for compromise. we'll see how much the white house gives him the power to negotiate. >> senator, it's willie geist. you mentioned being driven in from the right. have a bill on the table right now which would be one last crack to repeal obamacare. they've only got until next week to do it with a simple majority inside a reconciliation. at the end of this seven, seven and a half year fight, now eight months of the trump administration. what do you say to democrats? at the end of the day, will obamacare be left standing. >> it shouldn't be left standing as it is. we need to repair it and make it stronger. there are a lot of things and by the way, lamar alexander began the day after john mccain voted no. he and patti murray were already
working on hearings. that's what we need to be doing right now. in addition to reauthorizing insurance program, we should be stabilizing and fixing the problems with the affordable care act. now, what they're going to try to do is going to be very interesting. no different than what they've tried to do. not going to protect people with preexisting conditions. going to cut the medicaid program. that's exactly what got them in trouble before. i don't think that the people who voted no before have anything to hang their hat on with this graham cassidy bill. >> i think their concerns they had with the initial replace plans that were put forward by both the house and senate, i would think those would remain because this is a man that cuts medicaid dramatically. >> all right. senator claire, thank you so much.
>> thanks for having me on. i really appreciate you. >> we appreciate you. >> you had to say that. you opened with wrigley and ended with go cards. no, go chiefs. >> go chiefs! >> before we go to break, thank you, claire. there is another person who has been part of the morning joe family for years. and we've actually like to have a lot of fun with him and make fun of him right now, but we can't because there's a lot going on. he's been quite business for the past few weeks. bill karins with an update for hurricane maria. unfortunately on this day of joy for you guys, one of the most dire forecasts i've ever given on morning joe. extreme fare for puerto rico of what could be a disaster in the next two to three days. still a cat five. dominica was crushed last night. now leaving the islands there. forecast takes it over puerto rico tonight into wednesday. and then north to the dominican
republic. bahamas looks safe. east coast looks safe. greatest critical concern. cone of uncertainty includings saint thomas, saint croix, puerto rico, this red line is the center line. now we're within 24 hours. watch it a lot more closely. it is right over the top of san ju juan. that's about half a million people in san juan in this area of north eastern puerto rico. about a million people and could be dealing with a cat four, cat five hurricane as we go to tomorrow morning. that's almost never happened in our country's history or even in the atlantic basin history before. that's why such grave concern for the people of puerto rico. how much help they're going to need. we're hoping it misses and goes north or south, but that's looking pretty bad. that's the really serious stuff. i also want to congratulate you on ten years. my favorite comment from a viewer today was i think it's taken ten years for joe, mika and bill to finally be appropriate with each other. >> you know what, now we're
challenged. >> okay. only for today. bill, thank you so much. and thank you for everything. >> you're a great friend. >> thank you so much. so many ways. >> it's been great. >> i don't know how you do the early mornings. >> it's sick. >> ten years in a row. >> after you do the show for two or three days in a row you look at us and go you all are criminally insane. >> a lot more still to come. peggy and eugene robinson join us next. in a few moments, reverend al sharpton. celebrating ten years with morning joe.
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[ bleep ] by 12 points, but look, it was radicals. it was right wing extremists that moved virginia in the column. joe joe, perhaps not, but the ghost of john berge arises somewhere above a confederate flag in richmond virginia tonight. >> that just went on for a long time. >> that was like -- >> i don't even know who i was imitating there. >> what the heck. who was that. >> who was that? it was a mash up of a couple. >> churchill have something to say about virginia politics. >> no, it was not winston churchill. might have been nbc people. >> joining us peggy nunenoonan.
noon noonan. come on. say you're here. >> so peggy, it's so interesting that clip once in a while we let our conservative nature out there. and get mocking. we remember and we were just talking about favorite moments was denver, the 2008 convention when peggy accidently took two hours before she was supposed to be on the show. you were the greatest monologue ever that morning. >> it was incredible. >> we i think joe and i and mika had a great deal of fun talking about what seemed to be an air of victimization in the speeches
the previous night and we flipped out and imitated the people whose message was everything is terrible in america. we did it graphically and in a silly dam way. >> exactly. it was fantastic. >> little did we know ten years later everything would be terrible in america. >> thank you peggy. your prophetic. >> mika and i sort of have a difference of opinion here. mika is concerned. i'm certainly concerned. right, but i believe washington. i believe the institutions. i believe the constitution. i believe we will prevail and people will look back at this period with an asterisk around it. you more on mika's side that will stay with us for a long time or do you think america will roll over trumpism in its current form. >> a lot of actually great people in our political life. in washington and in the country. america has a lot of give.
god built us to live through history. we will all do our best. see where we are on the other side. the part i agree with mika about is i do think the rise of trump and trump himself when he came through the door, he knocked down traditions, boundaries. ways of doing things. we couldn't predict as we could in the past, we thought. what is coming down the road in terms of presidential canadidats and stuff like that. >> donald trump is the a
symptom. not the disease. symptom of political realignment that is happening. we don't fully understand. because how could we. >> one that washington doesn't have answers to. >> washington doesn't have a clue. the rest of the country is going about its business and things are changing. look at the -- look at the number of issues on which donald trump and bernie sanders actually coincided with. free trade. health care was like bernie sanders's. about foreign wars. there's something going on out there our traditional left right, democratic republican kpaxis. it's no longer operative. it's changing. we don't understand how it's changing. it's going to be different. >> are you supposed to take am
by yen?ambien? >> i might be in a little trouble this mark. i actually take a dissenting view. i feel like the last month has taught us something about the institutions of our government and structures of government coming back to fruition. i think donald trump is an abnormal candidate for the reasons we articulated. in the last couple of weeks, what we've seen is cut deals with democrats on the debt ceiling. government funding. on daca. there has been reversion to health care. that could be blown up. we've seen congress in certain ways. going to go forward with the russia investigation for instance. they might pass legislation that protects mueller's investigation. the institutions that define u.s. government are kind of rising up again and saying, you know what, you might be way outside the mainstream and usual norms, but you aren't a king.
we aren't used to seeing. certainly not in our lifetimes. people have stood up. people in the left have stood up and been the resistance. burr kats have stood up. >> it hasn't been the last month. he's been forwarded over the course of the last eighth months when you talk about the travel bans of the court. talk about desire to repeal obamacare. the central campaign promise of republicans for all these years now. you have john mccain walk into the florida senate and give a thumbs down. that was a republican for donald trump. he believed it would take health care away from people. as for the last week or so, should we really be surprised
that donald trump turned and worked with chuck and nancy pelosi. he's in no way married to republican party. that was his way into the door. into the white house. he wants to make a deal whether it's republican or democratic. good for the country and good for him more than anything. >> yes. i think so. i kind of thought donald trump if you get them all in on it. suddenly he has bipartisan bill. somebody counts it up and there's 380 votes for this thing. it's going through on thursday. it would have been dynamic. it's exactly what i expected.
instead he decided i'm going to act like a republican. talk to republicans. take their advice. do it their way. that didn't work. he got mad. now we're where we are. >> thank you all so much. >> one thing i wanted to say, i'm so sorry. i brought my thoughts together. i wanted to say congratulations you two, all of us were there at the beginning and you have done ten years of setting the political table and stirring the pot. congratulations. thank you. thank you guys. >> special edition of morning
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happy birthday. i'm so proud of you all. i heard about when i first came to senate about a show from a good friend in florida about how wonderful this show was. i need to see it. i've watched it ever since. first show i've saw in the morning that had a bipartisan view. i'm in the senate. i go to the gym every morning. morning joe is on because we like both points of view. i'm proud of what you've done and the staff. thanks again. god bless. happy birthday. here's a clip of the upcoming dick cheney story.
>> how do you keep a straight face. >> i can't. how did you do that willie. >> are you about to leave again. >> i thought i might. >> congratulate myself on the professionalism there thank god everyone was okay. >> the furries also dick cheney is doing fine now. he was fine. >> it was terrible. i'm sorry. that was not about dick cheney. i was very tired. >> that happens. there was some other. a soccer match. there was. other things drove mika. >> the tofu. let's not bring that up. let's not bring that up. it does happen. you have strange things happen when you wake up at 4:00 every morning. >> you're telling me. doing the show without teleprompter while you're asleep. with us onset, the host of nbc politics nation and president of the national action network.
reverend al sharpton. the man for years revealed the new issue of time magazine on morning joe. started that with us. rick. >> thank you. >> and a man from the better part of the decade. now the co-founder of ax owe smith. happy tuesday. >> happy birthday. >> that's nice. what do you expecting here. what do we need to hear. >> by the way, happy birth. and thank you for being a great friend of mine. a great friend of time all those years and basically a great friend of smart journalism and smart discussion. it's a smart show. >> amen. it was the furries that really inspired us. >> exactly. you know, to answer your
question, when i was editor of time, the last thing i wanted to do was pronounce the end of the american century. created the american century in 1941. i'm not going to be the editor of time that pronounces it. i think donald trump is the end of american century. not the end of american power. the end of american moral influence. weste we were a moral beacon for people. donald trump doesn't like that stuff. now that american where people look to us to be a moral beacon and guide. >> that really started in 1941 when the united states realized they had to engage the world. go all the way through what happened especially starting in 47. a chain of eventins. we went out and embraced the world and the world embraced us back for the most part. >> the state department has many flaws.
is it too big. yes. is it too bureaucratic. it engages the world on every level. when you purge those people, you're not talking to the assistant secretary. you're not talking to the chief admission. that's the thing that bound people to america all these years. >> how are we doing domestically. >> i think we are still in very serious and perilous climates. when we look at st. louis, when we look at what's going on in terms of daca and what may or may not happen with the health care act, we still are in a very critical period. >> talk about post charlottesville. was that a wakeup call for most americans. the civil rights movement as you know and you have said would not have gotten the kick that it needed without the tragedy in that birmingham church where the little girls were. was charltsville a wakeup call? >> i think it was.
i think what was really a jolt to most americans was on a presidential level to see the o sympathizers with people who came out there to protest that. and that's why i think it's important. i have to say, happy anniversary to you and mika. because what is important, i hope the president, who's in new york, going to the u.n., is watching this morning and has done this show over ten years, the magic to me of this show, is that every morning we can see people that have fundamentally disagreed not be disagreeable. you and i have disagreed. >> right. >> but we sat down on this show and been able to have dialogue to try to achieve something. mika has come from a different party from you. you sit down as people and talk about -- >> you know what the secret is?
willie geist. no, i know, but no, i'm serious. and i will -- >> i was worried. >> there was a time probably three years back a plane went missing and other networks chased that. we sort of stayed to what we did. everybody was going around going what's the proshblem, what's th problem, everybody said you and mika have this great chemistry. i said you keep missing it. the chemistry isn't mika and me. the chemistry is mika me and willie. because mika and me alone, we're just a little much. we're just too much. there's too much crazy there. it's like two cats in a bag fighting each other. willie -- and you remember what we did? we kicked everybody off set. it was just you, me and mika. and looked and go, owh, yeah, that's why we watch the show. >> it's to talk to the willie geists of the world that doesn't care what joe scarborough did in
congress, didn't care what al sharpton did in marches -- >> the every man, willie geist. >> is how's it going to affect the bottom line. that's why i understand bloomberg was saying earlier, yeah, i screamed. you have to want to get things done. at the end of the day, we want to get something done. we may find out it's not that much of a difference. >> always find there's not that much between us. >> try to get something done for the people you care about. >> amen. you guys have access to that end, about president trump working with democrats to try to get things done. the impact of general kelly over last couple of months with steve bannon out of the white house and other people who espouse that white nationalist view, that donald trump at least directly doesn't have contact
anymore. >> no, that's right, the kelly effect is very real. just to pause to soak in how really unusual. in a business of copycats and me too, you guys created something that is authentically original and something that changed the game. and it has endured. it's instantly recognizable. and peggy pointed out that there's been a cast of regulars, and it's imitated, never duplicated. that never happens in our business. >> thank you, mike. >> aw, mike allen. >> so do you think there is a general kelly effect? will that general kelly effect stick? >> no, absolutely is. a lot has to do with this president. we've seen it in the clips today, how malleable this president is. how willing he is to change his mind. what he's say, who he's talking to makes a real difference. as we saw with the tweets over the weekend, the gulf tweet, the
kel kel kelly, they don't apply to the president himself. but the people who talk to him, the phone calls, and general kelly has engineered it so donald trump now has almost no populist nationalist input and we're seeing that in these decisions that are so surprising but are understandable when you look at what the inputs are. who he's seeing, who he's talking to, what he's listening to, what he's reading. >> all right, mike allen. >> thank you for your service to the country. >> reverend al. we're back in a minute with some final moments. in the future,
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make as many misstakes as he does. that's a goody. this is like -- >> my morning is made now because they zoomed in on mark halperin. >> that was t.j. right, t.j.? that was t.j., man. >> he backed our feud. >> come on, t.j. [ applause ] >> you're awful. >> terrible. >> no. >> tell you what. >> thank god. >> we already said t.j. and chris played such a huge role. we can't really go through and thank everybody. i can say thank god t.j.'s gone now and thank god we have jason. >> glad you woke up to come in? >> all right, predictions on ten years of morning joe. i want to hear from you, the man who made the show. >> there are a thousand people to thank. we just have to mention alex.
there's no doubt. our executive producer. our ep. who puts up with us. it's not easy. we were -- at one point, we were thinking about going to cbs. we were very close to going over to cbs. and actually the reason we stayed at the end was because of the absolute total freedom that phil griffin grave us. having the faith in starting the show. and also really because of the family. the family that watches the show every day. the family that we see in airports. the family that we see when we go to book events. they will come up and they will hug us. oh, wait, you don't know me. and i will -- >> they feel they can -- >> i will say actually, yes, you do. we can't thank all of you. can't thank all of you enough. it is such a great honor. >> i like when they'll come up to you --
>> yeah. >> and they'll say, i wake up in bed with you every morning. >> yes, i dressing with you. >> this has been an incredible ten years. with our audience. we basically do a radio call-in show in the beginning. to what it is today. >> can you stay another 30 minutes on the phone? sure, joe. >> and he would. when we started this show, i had a 2-month-old daughter named lucy. she's now 10 years old, entering fifth grade. we've had big changes in our lives. we've lost parents. our kids have grown up. >> jack scarborough wasn't even alive. >> jack scarborough, right. >> we went through that. >> but for me, for all the things that have come in and out of our lives, one constant is we've come and sat here every morning at 6:00 and i look over at you guys and i've never had a bad day on this show. >> we never made you feel uncomfortable? mike barnacle. >> i have had bad days on this show and willie save mildd my a
when i did. >> the ten years of doing this fills me with two things. gratitude and humility. just from the way people approach you. the chance, the opportunity we have to talk about issues. the only thing that has ever bothered me is he's very spoiled, this kid here. >> wow, really? >> listen, what about you, mika? >> great job creating this. >> thank you. >> this is where it all began. it was your idea on a power point presentation you made to phil. i've enjoyed every moment. love the job. loved having my dad on morning joe. >> he was great. like you said, a lot of changes. that certainly was a change. but we thank you guys and thank you for letting us talk a little bit about the past ten years this morning. tomorrow morning, we'll be back to bringing you the news. >> that does it for us this morning. see you back here in ten years. what? >> t