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i'm ali velshi. a powerful earthquake has hit mexico city. it is a heavily populated region 150 miles outside of mexico city. we were just looking at some of them -- i'll show them to you again, some of the first images we are getting of the damage from you are our sister network telemundo. as of right now we are told there are no reports of serious injuries or deaths in mexico city. this is very early. we are still trying to get information on mexico city, and pueblo, and spaces in between. today's earthquake comes less than two weeks after an 8.2 tremor hit the country killing 186 people. today the anniversary of a quake that struck back in 1985. earlier in the day some of those in mexico city were holding drills because of the anniversary. we will continue to follow the latest on the earthquake. we will bring you the updates as we get them. we are working hard to get you more information. the other story of the day.
trump and secretary of state rex tillerson are meeting right now with the president of the u.n. general assembly after president trump toasted the quote tremendous potential of the united nations he during luncheon over an hour ago and his speech had morning had a familiar theme, america first. >> as long as i hold this office, i will defend america's interests above all else. the united states has great strength and patience. but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the united states has ever enter into. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states, and i don't think you
have heard the last of it. believe me. >> so we can totally destroy north korea, the iran deal was terrible. the ironry is that president trump characterized his speech later on as a message of peace. while there were many critic of the speech donald trump received applause four times during his speech. the biggest applause came during the time when he talked about women. >> women entrepreneurs finance initiative, part of our commitment to empowering women all across the globe. we also thank -- [ applause ] >> all right. the biggest takeaway from the speech, though, was the president's tough talk on north korea. peter alexander is outside the united nations for us in new york. peter, it was remarkable to hear it. he repeated the rocket man expression that he has been using lately in reference to kim jong-un and talked about the
united states possibly being forced to totally destroy north korea. >> reporter: yeah, ali, you might say from the president today we heard fresh fury and some new fire on the topic of north korea. of course these his harshest comments yet about kim jong-un's rogue regime and the north koreans more broadly. the president making these remarks in a room that was packed. literally there were officials in isles today. a muted response throughout the course of his remarks. we played some applause during his women entrepreneurs comments. but many sat with their arms crossed throughout his comments. t a senior official tells me it was all president trump, the rocket man phraseology, the president thought about it several times and added that to his speech this morning, a speech that was largely crafted by his policy advisering steven miller with input from the secretary of state and nikki
haley as well. north korea a major headline. iran another one. here's part of what the president said specifically on that topic. take a listen. >> the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the united states has ever enter into. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states, and i don't think you've heard the last of it. believe me. it is time for the entire world to join us in demanding that iran's government end its pursuit of death and destruction. >> reporter: iran's foreign minister responding on twitter to those comments describing it as hate speech in a in his words belonged in the medieval times not in the 21st century before the united nations. on the topic of north korea it will be interesting because remember in the next 24, 48 hours the president will sit down for a working lunch with the leaders of south korea and japan as well.
those three nations, leaders, and the president of course among them sitting down and they will focus on north korea. it will be interesting to see how they gauge the president's remarks and reaction to the speech he gave today, ali. >> peter alexander for us outside the united nations. nbc's lester holt sat down with the president of iran to talk about the ramifications of the u.s. pulling out of the iran nuclear deal. rouhani said one option would be to resume its nuclear program which the country claims is for peaceful purposes like energy. here's a little bit of the interview. >> you made headlines yesterday by saying the united states will pay a high price if it withdraws from the nuclear agreement. some might hear a threat in those words. do you care to clarify what you mean by a high price? >> translator: in a multilateral agreement which has received the
support of the united nations security council and the core of it is a non-proliferation matter, the exiting of the united states from such an agreement would carry a high cost, meaning that subsequent to such a probable action by the united states of america, no one will trust america again. and there is no higher price to be paid than this because after such a possible scenario, which country would be willing to sit across the table from the united states of america and talk about international issues? because the jcpoa was obtained after over two years of negotiations and dialogues, dialogues that included sessions over every single word contained in that agreement, every word was analyzed, many times, by countries involved, before its
ratification. so if the united states were to not adhere to the commitment and trample upon this agreement this will mean that it will carry with it the lack of subsequent trust from countries towards the united states because the greatest capital that any country has is trust and credibility. >> a very interesting interview. you can see more of it tonight on "nbc nightly news." for more on iran and the president's just u.n. general assembly speech i want to bring in the woman who helped lead those nuclear negotiation force the iran nuclear deal, wendy sherman. and she helped advise president clinton on north korea. wendy, good to see you. thank you for being with us. let me just -- i think we need to reframe this a lib. the iran deal was meant to deal with a very specific issue. it was not meant to make us friends with iran. it was not even meant the
largely address iran's growing influence and its desired influence. it was meant to preach iran from getting a nuclear weapon. to that degree, has it failed or has of the been a success? >> it actually so far has worked quite well. the international atomic energy agency has issued eight reports, and they have constantly said that iran is complying with all of the terms of the deal, all of the other partners in this negotiation, the p 5 plus one, the permanent members of the security council plus germany and the european union have been on board with this deal. now everyone expects, give the president's remarks at the u.n., that he will urge secretary tillerson, maybe direct tillerson not to certify the deal again in mid october when after every 180 days it has to be reupped so to speak and toss it to the united states congress to decide whether to reimpose sanctions. but if the president takes that
action to non-certify, he will be pulling the rug out from under the deal. and as i think president macron told him yesterday, and repeated in remarks, europe stands squarelied with deal, and they will not leave it. and so the united states -- squarely with the deal and they will not leave it. so the united states only isolates themselves. that's what we have heard a lot here at the u.n. i think the president was trying to rally his base talking about sovereignty and culture and borders. >> right. >> and america first, and radical islamic terrorism, which is a phrase he loves to use and only makes the muslim world shudder. we really push away the rest of the world in the actions we take. likewise with climate change, which we heard about from the secretary general, how important that is to the future of the world. so this is a united states that may find itself at its leadership level standing apart
from countries, not with other countries. >> so if the president were not just trying to appeal to his base with this talk there might be an argument to be made, and it might go like this. rex tillerson tried to make it the other day. he said while iran may be sticking to the terms of the deal there is an underlying expectation that in exchange for this favorable treatment, the removal of sanctions we would expect iran to medal less in syria, in yemen, in, with hezbollah, things like that. that's an argument that the president and others make. is that valid? >> i think he will make that argument when he non-certifies. i think he will say this is not in our national security interests and this is not in the keeping of the spirit of the deal and the preamble talks about how we should work for peace and security in the world, which we should. but this is ream boo lumbar language which has no force and
effect. it is the language that starts most of these agreements. i think we are clear this deal was only about the threat of nuclear weapons to the world and only dealt with that issue. because if iran had nuclear weapons it would project even more power into the middle east and deter our actions with our allies. i am no apologist with iran whatsoever. they are doing very bad things in the middle east. we need to counter that with sanctions we currently have on them, for their acts of terrorism, arms exchanges, for missile launches. we ought to enforce that, ought to enforce the deal vigorously, but we ought not to isolate ourselves. i think although i don't agree with president rouhani about what he is doing with the leadership in his country and what they are doing in the middle east, it is a fact if we pull out of the agreement, if president trump pulls out of the agreement we will lose credibility, whether it is a nafta negotiation, a climate
negotiation, or a negotiation with north korea. the united states will have less credibility. >> that's probably the most pressing when we are discussing -- even if you are fully on side with getting out of iran deal it might be a conversation best held off until after we have some resolution with north korea. that has to play into north korea's hands to say why would we make any deal with you? >> i absolutely agree with you. you know it is an interesting speech today because he mentioned sovereignty 21 times, and he still calls for reformat the united nations. the u.n.an is made up of member states. it is a collection of member statements it is not a world government. and part of the problem with bureaucracy at the u.n. is that the secretary general doesn't have ceo authority. and the united states probably wouldn't want to give him a whole lot of authority because we do want to hold on to our own ability to act. at the same time, however, this is almost reminiscent of gorge bush's state of the union
address in 2002 when he talks about the axis of evil trying to rally the nation in the fight against terrorism and he was talking about iraq, iran, and north korea of course. >> right. >> and we all know that didn't go so well. now i think the president is trying to message not only north korea and iran but europe and the united nations member states to do what the united states wants to do. but that may not be how everybody sees it. >> ambassador wendy sherman, always good to talk but. she's nbc global affair contributor and underseth of state for political fares under barack obama. a powerful earthquake has struck 150 outside of mexico city in puebla mexico. steve, what do we know from the l.a. bureau. >> ali, information is coming in hot and fast, this is still a very breaking situation but the images that are coming in are absolutely horrific. it was a reported 7.1 quake as
you mentioned south of mexico city in an area that is built on a lake bed. here's the real tragedy that we know so far. the town was actually practicing drills because of that 1985 quake. it's the anniversary of the '85 quake. that was an 8.0 magnitude that basically destroyed much of mexico city, led to thousands of deaths, led to billions of dollars in damages. led to, you know, massive amounts of loss of life in that area. so they were actually practicing drills because of that earthquake, that anniversary. and then to have this about 40 minutes ago, this 7.1 magnitude. aftershokts shocks haven't been felt ed yet. watching videos we have gotten in on social media, from our affiliate in telemundo, devastation. during the quake, things falling down, people trying to take cover. outside you are looking at
buildings collapsing, huge plumes of dust and smoke rising over the city. you are looking at people screaming trying to get away in any way they can as this quake is occurring. initial reports, 7.1. no word yet on loss of life. no word yet on the devastation. obviously with that 8.0 quake that was all those years ago in 1985, the magnitude of that, the loss of life in that was tremendous. this at 7.1 is expected to do similar amounts damage. we are expecting something quite tragic here in the next few minutes and hours. >> it's one of those difficult things where the information may be slow to get to us about damage but we are looking at pictures of smoke coming off of buildings. this is one of the most populous cities in the world by a long shot, the most populous city in north america. you are seeing pictures now on both sides of your screen coming in. the ones on the left are ground level. and you are seeing real damage
to sidewalks and some structures. what we don't know is what the core of the city of mexico city looks like and what the heavily populated areas look like just yet. we are getting that information in. steve, stay close to us and let us know as soon as you get more information. steve patterson covering this for us in los angeles. coming up next, the report of a picked lock, wiretapping, and the threat of an indictment this is not the making of a spy novel. those are rrt r reportedly some of the shock and awe tactics robert mueller is using against paul manafort inton his investigation into russia's interference in the 2016 election. we will have all the details after the break. what is he? [ car horn honks ] that's for your bike. you never saw me. [ bell rings ] i was working for the c.i.a. and pablo escobar. who thought that was gonna be a problem? [ upbeat music playing ]
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surprising turn of events on capitol hill today in one of the russia investigation. president trump's personal lawyer, michael cohen, you have probably seen him before. he speaks on behalf of the president or used to quite a bit. he was scheduled to interview with the senate intelligence committee staff members. they were expected to talk about the president's reported business ties to russia, including a potential deal in late 2015 to build a trump tower in moscow. but after an hour in the closed-door session he and his attorney told reporters that the committee abruptly cancelled the rest of the meeting. >> the committee has chosen to postpone today's meeting and we will come back for a voluntary interview whenever we can to meet with them. >> was it your request to postpone or was it on --
>> you or the committee. >> what were you doing here today if you weren't meeting. >> it was a request of the senate intel to postpone. i will be back and i look forward to giving all the information they are looking for. >> lawmakers say that cohen's public statement to the media denying any collusion with russia in last year's election was in direct violation of an agreement that he had with committee members and may have paved the way for the committee to eventually subpoena him. for more i want to bring in the former assistant attorney general during the nixon and ford administration. he joins me now. his son is in the trump administration as a senior director for asia in the national security council. stan, this was an interesting development that the interview by staffers, which a lot of people think is an informal think isn't that informal a. it actually has the weight of law. you can lie to those staffers in the same way you can't lie in testimony. the staffers are sending a shot
across the bow saying we made an agreement you didn't live up to it so we arette cutting this meeting short. >> they are entitled to do that. >> he is also entitled to go out and say what he wants. but the consequence will be this broken agreement. that could lead to s&ps and a tougher session for him. >> to that point, this is senate hearing but of the investigations, and particularly the mueller investigation, there is reporting from the "new york times" and cnn about the wiretaps that were put on paul manafort at one point and the fact that the subpoena -- not the subpoena but the warrant that was exercised on his house, the search of his house was done with picked locks. >> right. >> and they really -- they are looking for something that doesn't sound so much like cooperation. >> yeah. i think that there are legitimate reasons. the legitimate reasons for a middle of the night lock picking is concern about the disposal of
something extremely small. in today's world a flash drive the size of your thumb or a thumb drive might have been destroyed if that was their concern. 1500 pages of a tax return, no, you aren't going to get that down the toilet very quickly. but i think there is something else going on here. and that is the possibility that the timing of that exercise of that warrant was to keep him from testifying before the senate later that day or the next day. because it's my understanding that when he did testify behind closed doors in the house he might have said something that would have complicated or did complicate, potentially complicated mueller's investigation. and he didn't want that to happen in the senate. he also didn't want some sort of an immunity deal cut in the senate which is always a possibility that complicates mr. mueller's investigation. so possibly the timing of that exercise of that warrant was to keep manafort from going to the senate. >> what do you think of the approach that robert mueller
appears to be taking with manafort? it looks very, very tough. some have said that's his job, that when you are under federal investigation and there is a prosecutor looking into, by the time they are looking into you it's generally pretty serious. >> it is, if in fact, especially if in fact they have give him a target letter or said to him in effect you are going to be indicted of then it's very rough because you have to cope on a different little. it's no longer strictly a voluntary let's help each other level. >> right. >> now you are on an adversarial level. that changes everything. it's possible that has happened. we have read that it has happened. it's possible also that mutualer is trying to send a signal to other people. >> this is what could happen to you. >> this is what could happen. >> it also changes things in terms of the lawyers you have to retain and the type of work they have to do. so if if you are in anned a ver sarial position everything has to be lawyered up. we know that's putting a strain
on manafort, and we know it's putting a strain on michael flynn as well. what's the goal here? what's mueller's goal? he wants to know everything manafort knows or just wants to get to the bottom of this investigation. >> i think he does, i think he wants to know what manafort knows because of the connections that are now openly out there. but i also think that he wants to make sure that other people in the white house or otherwise understand how serious it is. i don't think that what he's doing is that unusual. i think he's building a case in a very methodical and professional way. this is going to go on for a while. and it's rough on those who have to face it. one of the questions that keeps coming up, or should keep coming is what is it they are going to indict him on? people keep saying on the news he may be indicted, but indicted for what? what he is indicted for matters a lochltd if it's for the foreign agent registration act violation that's one thing.
it is a law. we don't want to wink at it but that's different from other kinds of laws that he might have run into. and if that's the case, then you have got to know what the next step is if you are putting pressure on him because of a farrah, so-called farrah violation what does that lead to? is that the end of the story, that's manafort's whole exposure? or is it something else? i think if you really want to know about that you will have to wait for some leaks. >> we will wait. stan always good to see you. former attorney general during the nixon and ford administrations. coming up, more on the earthquake in mexico. here's video from inside telemundo, our sister network when the quake shook the equipment there. we will have the latest on this breaking story on the other side. plus, hurricane maria batteries the islands of doe minute kpa and guadalupe as a category 5 storm next in its path is puerto rico. we will talk live with the governor as the island prepares for the potentially catastrophic
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steve patterson is following from los angeles where we are getting video in and reports. what have we got steve. >> the epicenter is reported to be in a town called roboso, a few miles outside of mexico city. look at the aftermath will in mexico city. this is a 7.1 quake. it comes on the anniversary of an 8.0 quake back in 1985. that quake devastated mexico city. thousands of people dead. billions of dollars in damage. look at the images that are now coming in on this quake. it is not a good sign when you see parts of a major city a major metropolitan city like mexico city reduced to rubble right after the quake. that's the images coming in. we have got video of -- you saw the newsroom shot of offices shake, items falling off, people trying to run and scramble to get underneath desks and to protect themselves in any way they could. outside we are starting to see
images of chaos. buildings reduced to rubble. people crying and wondering what's going on. this quake, as we mentioned, about 76 miles outside of mexico city, that area is built on a lake bed which tends to amplify the quaekts of earthquakes. so this 7.1 in some areas may be much woors in this area. so far we know the mexican president has activated a major disaster declaration for this quake. we know the governor in that region has said so far, so far they have had no reports of loss of life or injuries. just looking at the images it's pretty clear that's going to change. we have seen crews on the ground. we have seen people scrambling during the quake. it seemed to be a long sustained quake that did a lot of damage in a very short amount of time. with violent tremors that sent
people fleeing and looking for any sort of help. no reports again of any injuries or deaths at this point. look at the images, facades totally wipds off of buildings, church steeples taken and destroyed, ripped off the side, thrown to the ground. people scrambling and crying and trying to figure out what the situation is on the ground of that's work that's being done as we speak as crews make their way in to identify and take comfort exactly what happened. we know the mexico stock exchange has suspended trading because this quake. there are already effects of this widespread damage that's being reported in mexico city. the effects and the devastation of which we will find out in the coming minutes and hours. >> stay close in touch with us on this. steve patterson following the quake in mexico from los angeles as we are gathering more information of it is a 7.1 quake. joining me on the phone is a size molgs at the st. lucie
jones center for science and society. lucy, what do you make on the information you have got on this quake so far? >> what we are seeing is an earthquake within the slab below mexico. so it's relatively close to mexico city. as your previous reporter was saying, mexico city's soils amplify shaking and make every earthquake quite a bit worse. it is a not very far away. it's only about 80 miles from the center of mexico city. it's deep. so it's about 30 miles below the surface of the earth. but it -- a pretty large earthquake. it's actually similar in tectonic sense to the 8.0 that happened a couple of week ago. i think it's far enough away that it's not a direct aftershock but might be related. >> what do people who don't experience earthquakes have to know about a 7.1? what does that mean?
>> the magnitude tells you how big a fault moved in the earthquake. the total energy released in the earthquake. and that comes from every point on the fault's surface. a 7.0 means you have got a fault that's at least about 30 or 40 miles long. it might have ruptured towards mexico city, which might explain higher levels of shaking there. it's also going to last for a pretty long time. a magnitude seven is going to last for at least 20 or 30 seconds that the earth is producing energy. and it's going to have overshokoveafter shocks. a deeper earthquake tend to have fewer aftershocks so that might not be a problem at this time. people need to expect to be feeling more aftershock earthquakes. >> after you have been shaken by the first you are anxious about remaining tremors. we will have to keep a close eye on that. it is expected. dr. lucy jones, seismologist giving us information on this
earthquake in mexico city, a 7.1 in mexico city. it's southeast of mexico city. but the shaking and the damage as you have seen is being felt in the most populous city on the continent. we have another big story we are following. that is hurricane ma amount of it's tearing into the british and u.s. virgin islands as a possibly catastrophic category 5. the storm battered islands of dominica and guadeloupe overnight. officials there marked the first fatality attributable to the storm as puerto rico prepares for what could be the strongest hurricane to hit the island in nearly a century. with little sign of weakening forecasters warn that maria could leave parts of the island uninhabitable for months. tammy lightner joins me from san juan puerto rico. tammy, we know that the airplane in san juan says it will be closed from 7:00 p.m. eastern tonight. what other preparations are underway in puerto rico?
>> reporter: i can tell you one thing, ali. you know, san juan is a big tourist town. it is a like a ghost town out there. people have been spending the last few days prepping for this storm. hopefully people have their affairs in order because froeshry stores are bare. it's impossible to find water. there is no more generators, no more batteries or flashlights. people have been boarding up their homes the last few days deciding to hunger down. we spoke with a family here who did not make the decision on their own to hunker down and ride the storm out. they were told they can't get off the island. let's listen to what they had to stay. what's going through your head right now. >> i just want to come out of this in one piece along with my whole family. i'm glad we are all together. we know where everybody is, we just want to come out on other side and alive. >> reporter: you are essentially stuck here. you can't leave. you have been told to take
shelter in the hotel. what will you do when the hurricane comes through? >> just weather it through. praise up. there is not much we can do. >> reporter: you have never been through a hurricane before. so you don't really know what to expect. are you concerned? >> very concerned. we don't know how long we are going to be here. it's scary, quite frankly. >> reporter: ali, those people obviously can't get out. people are still trying to get out. the airport closes here in a few hours. there are a few more flights off the island. airlines like america, delta, united they have capped their flights making it easier for people to afford flights at the last minute to get off the island if they choose to. >> tammy thank very much we will stay in close to you as the hurricane heads towards you. be safe. joining me now on the phone is the governor of puerto rico. thank you for being with us. for those people watching and in touch with their friends and relatives in puerto rico, what are you asking them to do?
>> we are asking them to seek safe shelter, ali. right now, the main priority is to make sure that everybody is safe, that they have shelter, that they can weather the storm. this is the most dangerous storm we have had in modern history in puerto rico. and we know we are going to have to rebuild. but of course the main priority is to make sure that people get to the shelters, over 500 we have throughout the island. and they can weather the storm and then they can start the rebuilding process. >> talk to me about your shelters. what are they that they can withstand this type of a hurricane. >> mostly, concrete built schools. they have been tested, weathered the storm. we have some convention centers, and other infrastructure, other buildings that have been permissive to this sort of event. so we've established a website
where all of the shelters are georeferenced. people can go and see where they are. people can check and also see which areas of puerto rico are flood prone. so we have made every effort to make sure citizens make the right choice. if they have a doubt, go to a shelter. it could be a government owned or it could be to another family member's or a friend. >> i noticed in a press release you expressed concern you don't think enough people are going to those shelters. >> well, it's sort of a natural tendency. you know, we tend to see people move to the shelters in the last minute. i am happy to report, however, that right now we have over 1500 people in shelters at this point. we expect that number to grow exponentially. of course that's not counting the people that either went to family members or friends places to seek safe haven.
>> governor, we will stick close to the story. our hearts and our thoughts and our prayers go out to the people of puerto rico. and we will stay with you through it. >> thank you very much. >> puerto rico governor ricardo rowsio. coming up, senate republicans are holding out all hope for an obamacare overlaul introduced by listenedsy graham and bill cassidy. coming up, how the bill could affect you. (vo) do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day; rage, rage against the dying of the light. do not go gentle into that good night. ♪ ♪
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i need you to pay attention for a few minutes of i'm going to tell you about this new bill senator lindsey graham and bill cassidy are pushing a new north carolina bill in a last attempt to repeal and replace the affordable care act. it ends protection on preexisting conditions discrimination. you couldn't discriminate against people with preexisting conditions. 25% of the people under 65 have preexisting conditions. that's 52 million americans. it also ends prohibition on lifetime limits of how much you can get insured for when you have a disability or cancer or rare diseases or if you have prematurely born infant. you can now have lifetime leltsz, which means you can go bankrupt if you happen to be ill. the essential health benefits. you hard about those. they are not going to be mandatory under this. under obamacare every single insurance policy sold in the country had to cover ten thing,
hospital care, pregnancy, maternity and child birth. half of people don't get pregnant so they didn't want to pay for it. medicaid would also be cut in addition to cutting the current expansion which brought additional coverage to 13 million americans. the congressional budget office which has not scored this bill yet but based on the last bill estimates that 15 million will be on medicaid than would have been under obamacare. we know this one is no more generous than that. it's at least that number. it also ends the health care mandate for vichlds you don't have to have insurance and employers with 50 or more employees don't have to provide insurance. that's one of the big changes here. it also provides block grants to states. it allots money to the states using a complex formula. it is a hard to tell how much money each state would get. rural hospitals would likely see their funding much of which comes through the aca or obamacare and medicaid shrink. the bill would also shift
funding from the highest cost states to those who didn't expands medicaid through the affordable care act. what's the rush? everyone wants to know why we have to have this done so quickly. under senate rules repeal legislation can be passed by a simple majority until the ends of this month. after that the bar is raised to 60 roets. that's not going to be possible in this congress. they asked for a cbo score, an analysis of how many people will be removed from health care, what will the premiums be like? the cbo says it's absolutely not possible to get this done by the voting deadline. which means senators might be voting once again on a bill they don't have a score for. and 16 provider and health care prior groups voiced their opposition to the bill. kluge the american heart association, diabetes association, march of dimes and the american cancer society's lobbying arms as well as others. what are the chances of this new bill happening and obamacare actually being repealed?
there does not seem to be a good answer to that question right now. susan collins of maine voiced concern. john mccain gave some support on monday. nbc ace gerrit headache asked him and senator mike lee about the bill earlier. >> have you made up your mind on graham/cassidy? any update on where you stand with graham/cassidy? >> no. >> thank you senator. >> that fundamentally is the best thing about gerrit headache. this man can report with one word answers. he is joining me now from capitol hill. based on your reporting i'm going to ask you, what does it look like for this bill right now? >> right now, ali, i think it's stuck. and it is stuck short of the votes that republicans need. it's tough for me to see how it's going to get there. there has been a flurry of activity on capitol hill today from the backers of this bill, its sponsors pushing it about as hard as they can. the vice president was here trying to sell this bill. there has been a lot of arm
twisting. and the four sponsors have been telling reporters versions of sort of the same thing all day long. i want to play a byte of bill cassidy talking to kasie hunt earlier today and then tell you what i think is actually going on here. listen to bill cassidy. >> i'm not doing the whip count but i do know we are addressing members' concerns bit by bit. i feel like we have momentum. >> reporter: you hear cassidy talking about momentum. i heard the same thing from ron johnson earlier today but momentum can only go so far. the magic number here is three. three republicans can.stop it in its tracks. rand paul is a very hard no. he is not changing his note on this. in the last half hour susan collins says she is introducing a bill with bill nelson of florida to do fixes for obamacare. that sounds to me like it would be mutually exclusive to doing a a bill that would do away with
it. while sole collins hasn't said i'm voting no on this bill everything about the way she is behaving suggestion she will vote no. and murkowski and mccain are keeping their cards close to th are keeping their cards very close to the vest, but they both have their problems with this bill. i want to take a deeper look into what the bill means. i want to go to randy slavich. you heard my breakdown, i try and be as good at this as i can, but this is a big that has not been scored by the cbo and took parts of the other repeal bill that some people think are going to be the most damaging to the health care system? >> i think your analysis is spot on. i think we should all focus on
three things, number one, the protections we have all grown to value over the last several years, and americans describe as immensely popular, protecting them from being excluded if they have an illness in their family, that federal protection would disappear very quickly, and third i think it's important to understand that there's something new about this bill, and what's new about this bill is in order to attempt to pass it, there is a giant movement of money from blue states that have expanded medicaid and grown their insurance population to red states. that means in the case of california and new york, california $27 billion and new york $17 billion and i don't know how republicans in the house could possibly support that. >> i think the problem is, when we heard john mccain talking
about if the governor of arizona supports it, he probably will. the fact is there are national implications to a bill like this that may not be obvious to everybody. when you take out that medicaid money, you take out the mandate for preexisting conditions and the health benefits, and i can think of a rural hospital that serves maybe four counties in the southeast somewhere. this is where their funding comes from. so centralized health care is going to suffer? >> at that hospital, when they have people that show up and pay the bills, they can lower the expenses and they lower everybody's premiums, but if this bill passes, they show up, they don't pay the bill, and guess who else pays for it? our premiums go out due to the fact that so many people are running around without insurance. this is a bill that wants to move us backwards, and let's be
clear about that, and this is also a briipartisan effort that two senators are saying we need to move to a partisan effort. paul ryan just stepped out of the white house and said he will not support a by partisan effort. >> one thing we have learned is that you get as many people around the table as we can. give us hearings, let us tell you what the effects are going to be. i thought you and i were done for a couple of months. andy slavich, former acting chairman of the medicaid and medicare center. a guy i really like. the massive hack of equifax, it is a staggering number, 143 million americans hacked. that even more than the entire
southern region of the united states. a patch was released for a vulnerability in the web application. this past monday the company acknowledged it experienced another breach that month. and in mid-may the thieves began gaining a trove of data. three days later, executives sold $1.8 million worth of company stock, but the public didn't find out until more than a month later. and the chief -- a slew of federal agencies are investigating from the sec to the state senate. just filed a lawsuit over the breach. attorney general, thanks for the work you're putting into this. what are you going after? >> we're going after eqifax, as
you laid out, this is as bad as it gets. they failed at so many turns. and what we're seeking is accou accountabili accountability, we're seeking money from equifax to make americans whole. we have 140 million americans who now are at risk of financial theft and fraud. now it needs to take precautions to protect those consumers in the months and years ahead. >> it's hard to know what you're protecting them from. because we know all this information is let go. and it's at best a nuisance so try and deal with this on a personal level. and then people's data, people's credit will actually be stolen, it will actually cost them real money. >> right and that's exactly why
equifax needs to pay. and we're also looking at real reform in the system. whether we're talking about tran transunion or expprian. consumers should be able to freeze and unfreeze their credit reports and people should be able to access their credit scores and credit reports any time they want. >> we didn't choose to do business with equifax or experian or transunion, and we have to pay them to get our information. >> you're absolutely right, ali, this is our information that i that're selling, and if banks have access to it, we sure should have access to it ourselves and we shouldn't be
charged for it. >> are you looking into the stock sale that took place right after this? >> it's not the subject of our current investigation, but it's very concerning and it reflects if true, a company that's willing to put profits ahead of its legal responsibilities and it's responsibilities under massachusetts laws and laws across this country to protect and safeguard consumer data. i think going forward, the case should be, if you can't take care of the data, you shouldn't be able to collect it. in the meantime, we're going to work hard to hold this company accountable to make them pay so the american public doesn't have to pay to protect ourselves from credit fraud. >> we'll continue to follow this closely, what you're doing, and what your fellow attorneys general are doing across the country are doing to make folks
whole again. we continue to follow the breaking news in mexico, a powerful earthquake has struck about 100 miles southwest of mexico city in puebla. what have we got, steve? >> reporter: ali, still a very breaking situation, it is still tremendously chaotic, but what we can tell you is that earthquake is devastating, we see buildings collapsing, people ducking for cover, inside of office buildings that are violently shaking, we don't know the loss of life if there are any. we do not know the extent of injuries, we do not know what the extent of the damage is, but what we do know is bassed on the images that we're are seeing is this is a devastating earthquake, about 80 miles south of mexico city. we have not seen so far aftershocks that would be
devastating to this point, but the initial quake, based on the images, based on the reporting on the ground is widespread and devastating and the full account of which has not taken place yet, but there are crews on the ground in the only working through the rubble, but also trying to identify and take account of people who may be lost, who may be injured, who may be dead. that's work that's going on right now, we will have a full update as the day continues. >> we'll stay with you on this, steve, thanks very much for your coverage of this, we will continue to cover this on msnbc. but that does it for us this hour. i'll be back here at 9:00 a.m. eastern with stephanie reuhl. and i'll be back here at 3:00 eastern as well. hi, everyone, we're going to continue to follow that breaking
news out of mechanicxico, but i meantime, donald trump threatened to totally destroy north korea in his first ever address before the u.n. general assembly. but that address takes place against the backdrop of two new reports from the russian investigation. first the "new york times," with detailed it cans of special counsel bob mueller's shock and awe strategy, and that raid on former campaign manager paul manafort. paul j. manafort was in bed early one morning in july when federal agents picked the lock on his front door and raided his home. they took binders stuffed with documents. the special counsel robert s. mueller then followed the house search with a warning. his prosecutors told