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effort are taking place right now, some being done by first responders as you would expect, but a lot of it is being done by ordinary people, pitching in, trying to find and free anybody they can who might be trapped in the rubble. we reported earlier that there the death toll from this major earthquake was 119 when we started the show. we said it was expected to rise. as of now, that prediction is coming true. the head of mexico's national civil defense agency now says at least 139 people are known to have died. but again, the rescue efforts continue as we speak in mexico city, in central mexico. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. we'll be joined by rob reiner who is part of a group that's created a new website debuting today that's tracking the russia investigation. i've been playing with it a bit today, it's really useful, you click on the various players in
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it and the timelines of investigations, all the different investigations. so there's yet another website along with bill moyers where you can kind of go and just stare at things. i find it especially useful when these new players emerge. michael column we haven't heard from in a while. a normal news consumer could forget who that is. >> having those resources online, especially the interactive ones, help you keep track of the interstitial news as it comes out, even if you can't keep the whole plot in your mind at once. >> with the senate committee today saying to michael cohen, you have violated our agreement, we agreed not to make public comments, you agreed not to make public comments. for them to kick him out of the meeting had to be a bipartisan agreement inside that room to kick him out. >> right. and there's this intriguing other factor there, which it had
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been reported a couple of weeks ago that bob mueller, special counsel, was having trouble getting the transcripts out of the congressional committees, after they were interviewing people behind closed doors. it had been reported that once he started having those difficulties, he had sent word to capitol hill that he would prefer that they do their witness interviews in the open now, in open hearings. and i don't think the congressional committees would ever cop to being influenced by a request like that, but it did strike me today when michael cohen had his closed door hearing shut down and they invited him back in open session that that's very much more than what robert mueller would prefer. it's all reported stuff. the mueller inquiry itself apparently does not leak. but that's what we've been hearing, is that preference. >> so we're now on our way to our first televised hearing of an actual trump associate. >> mm-hmm. >> testifying in one of these investigative hearings.
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>> mm-hmm. >> we will be watching. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. the senate is making one more last-minute attempt to repeal and replace obamacare. senator chris van hollen will join us with the latest on that. but first, the most uninformed, inexperienced president in history went to the united nations today and just about everything that could go wrong, did go wrong. >> that was the most atrocious speech i've ever heard an american president give. >> rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. >> it is in nobody's interest to try to out-kim jong un kim jong un. >> the united states has great strength and patience. but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. >> that moment met with gasps inside the room. >> you cannot imagine franklin delano roosevelt or dwight d. eisenhower or ronald reagan making the kind of statement so easily talking about destruction
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and war. >> major portions of the world are in conflict, and some in fact are going to hell. >> several countries are going to hell? how many countries? which countries? >> i think it went very well. i said what i had to say. >> we've never had a president bluster about the use of nuclear weapons. >> thank you very much. >> anyone who thinks, military or otherwise, that north korea won't fight to the very death with every citizen's blood is thinking nonsense. tonight, the united states is the closest it has been to nuclear war since the cuban missile crisis in 1962. but in 1962, no one was worried about the mental stability of the president of the united states. no one was worried about the president's reckless impulsiveness.
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no one was worried about the president's childish need to prove himself. no one was worried that the president might not realize the seriousness of the situation. president john f. kennedy defeated adlai stevenson in the run for the democratic nomination in 1960, then appointed stevenson ambassador to the united nations. ambassador stevenson was every bit as wise and steady as president kennedy during the cuban missile crisis. and ambassador stevenson proved his case that the soviet union had placed missiles in cuba capable of launching a devastating nuclear attack on the united states. >> at the end of the road there are seven 1,000-mile missile trailers. there are four launcher erector mechanisms for placing these trailers in erect firing position. this missile is a mobile weapon
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which can be moved rapidly from one place to another. it is identical with the 1,000-mile missiles, which have been displayed in moscow parades. >> then adlai stevenson spoke directly to the soviet ambassador, with the whole world watching, knowing that we were on the brink of nuclear war. >> as to the authenticity of the photographs which mr. soran has spoken about with such scorn, i wonder if the soviet union would ask its cuban colleague to permit a united nations team to go to these sites. if so, i assure you we can direct them to the proper places very quickly. and now i hope that we can get down to business, that we can stop this sparring. we know the facts and so do you, sir. and we are ready to talk about them.
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our job here isn't to score debating points. our job, mr. zoran, is to save the peace. if you are ready to try, we are. >> and so they saved the peace. russia removed those missiles from cuba. our job here is not to score debating points, said adlai stevenson. every serious ambassador to the united nations has always known that. what was donald trump trying to do today by calling the leader of north korea rocket man? that is the trump version of scoring a debating point. you saw it in the republican presidential debates when he called his opponents names. that's how some children think you win fights. lying ted, little marco, crooked hillary. and now rocket man. who is the north korean expert in the trump administration who advised the president to say that? north korea does not have a
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nuclear weapon that can reach the united states. when adlai stevenson was staring down the soviet union in the united nations, russian nuclear weapons were 90 miles away in cuba, enough to destroy the united states. adlai stevenson did not call the russian ambassador names. he called him mr. zoran. mr. zoran. and nikita khrushchev's government posed a much deadlier threat to the united states on that day than north korea does now. but that did not provoke the president of the united states or the united nations ambassador to call their adversaries names. to, as president trump called it today, totally destroy north korea is to totally kill 20 million people. that is a war crime. the objective of war is to defeat enemy forces.
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there are 1 million people in the north korean military. donald trump did not threaten to defeat the north korean military today. he did not threaten to kill kim jong un today in the north korean leadership. he threatened to destroy north korea. that is actually what we would have to do to be sure that we killed kim jong un, because we don't know where he is. in the event of a nuclear war, we would not know where to target kim jong un. and so if you really want to get him, if you really want to kill him, you have to be willing to kill everyone, every man, woman, child, baby, in north korea. and in the process you have to be willing to watch tens of millions of people, at least, men, women, children, babies, killed in south korea, as innocent bystanders, as north korea retaliates against the 50 million people who live in south korea.
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and that is why nuclear war with north korea has been unthinkable, completely, absolutely forever unthink aboutable unthinkable to every president except the frighteningly untrained man who is now president of the united states. north korea is led by its most inexperienced, most untrained, and most reckless leader that it's ever had. so is the united states. donald trump does not have adlai stevenson at the united nations. he does not have a secretary of state or anyone working near him with enough influence over him to make him understand what a president of the united states is supposed to sound like in a situation like this. never mind what the president of the united states is actually supposed to think. we don't have the slightest indication that donald trump actually thinks about any of this, except the nicknames. except the nicknames. that's his specialty.
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reports indicate that the "rocket man" bit was a late insertion in donald trump's teleprompter this morning. that means the speechwriters didn't put it there. that means the foreign policy advisers didn't think that was the way for a president of the united states to speak. the president's speech today was the worst ever delivered by the united states at the united nations. it ranged from the vulgar to a muddy puddle of incoherence. >> as president of the united states, i will always put america first. just like you as the leaders of your countries will always and should always put your countries first. >> the whole point of the united nations is there will come
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moments where we will ask other countries to make accommodations to the world and to other countries, and sometimes their neighbors. in other words, moments where we will ask them not to put their countries first above all else. donald trump spent most of the rest of his speech talking about the countries who he firmly believes should never, ever put their countries first. countries like north korea and of course iran. >> the iranian government masks a corrupt dictatorship behind the false guise of a democracy. the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the united states has ever entered into. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states. and i don't think you've heard the last of it, believe me. >> and so the lesson for north korea at the united nations today was, there is no such thing as a nuclear deal with the united states. donald trump is threatening to
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pull out of the deal that iran made in which iran agrees not to develop nuclear weapons. exactly what the united states wanted iran to agree to. exactly what the united states would like north korea to agree to. the alternative to war is diplomacy. negotiation. why would anyone in the north korean regime believe today that it is possible to negotiate their way out of this confrontation with the united states? iran tried to do that and look what's happened to them. the president of the united states continues to threaten iran every day and threaten to break its deal with iran. "our job here is not to score debating points." so said our united nations ambassador 55 years ago.
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and tonight, 55 years later, we have a president of the united states who seems to think that his job, his only job in press conferences, on twitter or at the general assembly of the united nations, is nothing but to score debating points. joining us now, ambassador wendy sherman, former undersecretary of state who worked on the iran deal, also special adviser to president clinton and policy coordinator on north korea. she's now an nbc news and msnbc global affairs contributor. ambassador sherman, you're uniquely experienced with your experience on the iran deal and coming close to a deal with north korea, trying to approach that under the clinton administration, which was the last time we seemed to be moving in that direction. so i want to get your reaction to the speech tonight.
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and i just want to give you the floor, there's so much there for you to react to. >> thank you very much, lawrence. that was a very moving opening. it's very hard to know where to begin. you know, lawrence, my dad was an enlisted marine in world war ii. he was wounded in guadalcanal and found his recovery on the west coast with my mom. they were a young couple. and he so did not ever want to see war again that he got very active and helped to found what became the american veterans committee. and he and my mom attended the founding of the united nations because he did not want to see war anymore. and indeed, that's what the united nations is about. yes, of course we all have our
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sovereignty. of course we all have our borders. but what we want to do is come together as nations in common cause for peace and security of the world. and i certainly hope that president trump does not choose to lose that world. the world that really is about the united states of america. i'm not sure who he was trying to talk to today. i think it was several people. i think it was his base, saying that it was going to be america first, that it was all about sovereignty and borders and culture. culture sometimes is a word for saying, you can do what you want and i can do what i want but you're not going to be able to to be an immigrant to my country. he talked about evil which is something important for us all to get rid of, but it was really to that base that he was speaking. he was speaking iran and north korea and venezuela, of course, but i think he was saying to the europeans, renegotiate this iran deal with me. they have been quite clear because they understand how hard it was to get to a deal to ensure that iran would not obtain a nuclear weapon and they do not want to see it undone.
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similarly, where north korea is concerned, you're quite right, using epithets and words and slang may be provocative and entertaining, but the president is not an entertainer. he is the president of the united states. and he represents all of us, all americans. and what our country stands for. he used radical islamic terrorism again, which is something that even his advisers don't want him to do. and then finally, and then i'll stop at least for a moment, but i am as worked up as you are about where we are headed, because i think it is so dangerous for our security. the president echoed in many ways the speech that president bush 43 made in the state of the union, where he termed the -- coined the term "axis of evil" and talked about iraq, iran, and north korea. and we know how that all went. in fact he was trying to rally
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the nation against terrorism. and i'm not sure who donald trump is trying to rally except his own sense of power and his own sense of manhood in some way. this is not an axis of evil. these are countries that are serious concerns to the united states of america. i breach no one for that cause. but this is not the way to solve these very serious problems. and the lack of applause in that hall, although it's always tough to talk to that crowd because they're listening to interpreters, was telling. there was nervousness. the only real applause he got was talking about what we ought to do for women in the world, to ensure equity and entrepreneurship for women. i found that ironic from donald j. trump, of all people. >> we're all trying to interpret what the president means when he
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threatens to destroy north korea. and at what point he would consider that he had the grounds to do that. i couldn't figure out listening to him today, when he considered himself authorized to do that. i doubt that north korea could figure out what would be the grounds for the president justifying that. would north korea have to launch a missile at japan, at guam, at south korea, at the united states? what would it have to do? do you think north korea understands today where it stands in relation to this president? >> well, there's a very interesting, as i think you know, "new yorker" cover story by kevin osnos who traveled to north korea and had fascinating conversations with his handler, mr. pok, who said his job was to figure out what president trump was saying. the president might like the madman theory, to sort of hold
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your opponent off base, not sure what you're going to do. and that has its place in diplomacy. but not when it can lead to nuclear war. it doesn't have any place in that effort whatsoever. >> and ambassador, quickly, before we go, in your experience dealing with north korea, they always understood that the president of the united states was never going to simply launch a nuclear attack against them. has that been something that the regime has always understood up to now? >> the fundamental reason why north korea, from their perspective, is building nuclear weapons and a delivery system to deliver them through a long range ballistic missile, is because they believe that the united states is a hostile power and that we are going to destroy them. that's the whole point. and when madeleine albright was secretary of state, one of the things that we did, that president clinton did, was to
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sign a communique with the north koreans that neither country had hostile intent against the other. when president bush came in, he decided to no longer honor that particular document. and that is the nub of this problem. >> former ambassador wendy sherman, thank you very much for joining us, we really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, there's a lot of breaking news to get to on the russia investigation. but first, jimmy kimmel has much more to say about health care and what is now being called the jimmy kimmel test. we will go to that, next. stay with me, mr. parker. when a critical patient is far from the hospital, the hospital must come to the patient. stay with me, mr. parker. the at&t network is helping first responders connect with medical teams in near real time... stay with me, mr. parker. ...saving time when it matters most.
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we have breaking news tonight on the senate health care bill. this is their latest attempt to repeal and replace obamacare. one of the most dramatic moments in the previous debate on this months ago came from jimmy kimmel after he came on his show and told the story of his infant baby son being born with a heart defect and desperately needing immediate surgery. jimmy kimmel spoke eloquently at that time about how he wants that to be available to any child in america and that everyone in america should have this kind of health care that they need. that became known as the jimmy kimmel test. and senator bill cassidy, one of the co-sponsors of the graham/cassidy bill now moving in the senate, went on jimmy kimmel's show talked about this and promised to adhere to the jimmy kimmel test.
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here is what jimmy kimmel has said tonight in the taping of his show that will air later tonight. >> this is a bad bill. don't take my word for it. here are just some of the organizations that oppose this graham/cassidy bill. the american cancer society. the american diabetes association. american heart association. american lung association. the arthritis foundation. >> i cystic fibrosis. multiple sclerosis society. children's hospital. any group you've given money to thinks this is a bad idea. do you trust them, or do you trust him? if this bill isn't good enough for you, call your congress person. that's the number. it will go to your congress person, whoever he or she is. you have to do this. you can't just click like on this video. tell them this bill doesn't pass your test. senator cassidy, you were on my
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show, you seemed like a decent guy. here's the thing. nobody outside of your buddies in congress wants this bill. only 12% of americans supported the last one and this one is worse. right now there's a bipartisan group of senators working to improve the health care system we have. we want quality affordable health care. dozens of other countries figured it out. [ applause ] instead of jamming this horrible bill down our throats, pitch in and be a part of that. i'm sure they could use a guy with your medical background. if not, stop using my name, okay? because i don't want my name on it. there's a new jimmy kimmel test for you. it's called a lie detector test. you're welcome to stop by the >> we're joined now by democratic senator chris van hollen of maryland, a member of the senate budget committee. senator van hollen, the picture that jimmy kimmel was showing was a picture of senator bill cassidy who actually appeared on his program. and in another part of what jimmy kimmel says tonight, he said that senator cassidy, quote, lied to his face. he said he lied to my face about
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cassidy only supporting a bill that passes the jimmy kimmel test. this bill clearly, as jimmy kimmel himself has just told us, does not pass the jimmy kimmel test. >> well, lawrence, it was really important that jimmy kimmel made this statement today, because it exposes the farce of those who claim that this latest version of trumpcare put forward by senator cassidy and senator graham somehow passed the jimmy kimmel test. they were parading this around as something that jimmy kimmel could embrace and endorse. so this was an important and powerful statement he's making. he read off a litany of groups that are not republican groups, they're not democratic groups. the american cancer society, the american heart association, all these groups, all they care about is protecting patients. and you would hope that
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republican and democratic senators would care about those same patients. after all, they're our constituents. >> and the republicans got a letter today from republican governors and democratic governors saying they are absolutely opposed to this bill, including the governor of ohio, governor of alaska, governors of nevada, vermont. senator, the governors who lindsey graham is saying, oh, we're going to give it all to the governors, they're going to love getting this, the governors are saying no, we don't want this. >> well, that's right, because they know at the end of the day, all of their states are going to get totally shafted by this bill. because as time goes on, they cut off the medicaid funding more and more until at the end of the day it's about a third less than it is now. jimmy kimmel mentioned his child. there was a very powerful
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statement from the children's hospital association that pointed out that this latest version of trumpcare would hurt coverage for over 30 million american children. on top of that, you've got the aarp talking about the damage it will do to seniors. it does grave damage to our entire health care system, which is why all of those groups that were strongly opposed before are coming out even more strongly now. but it is a race against time, because republicans are trying to jam this through in the next 11 days. and you raise the issue of bipartisanship. senator mccain gave that very powerful speech back in early august about bipartisanship. today the trump administration and paul ryan, the house speaker, and mitch mcconnell, pulled the plug on that bipartisan effort. >> lindsey graham says that paul ryan says that he will pass this bill in the house if it passes
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the senate. and let's listen to what lindsey graham said about working with you, about working with democrats. >> the democratic party is never going to give us anything that fundamentally changes obamacare. we've had weeks of talking. and the only time they've gotten serious is when they're afraid that my bill may pass. and now they're coming to me, what about this and what about that. here is what the speaker of the house told me. i will not bring up a bill for a vote in the house that props up obamacare because that is not why i came here and that is not what our majority wants to do. and the president of the united states is committed to repealing and replacing this bill, not propping it up. >> senator, lindsey graham seems outraged that the democrats are never going to vote for what he calls anything that fundamentally changes obamacare. >> well, it's obviously no surprise to lindsey graham that we're not going to blow up and destroy the affordable care act,
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obamacare. after all, the nonpartisan congressional budget office has pointed out that if you do that, 32 million americans would lose access to affordable coverage. and millions more will lose the patient protections that jimmy kimmel has been talking about. so we're not going to blow it up. but we did answer senator mccain's call to work in a bipartisan manner to try to improve and strengthen the affordable care act exchanges, because they're not perfect. they need work. and senator lamar alexander and senator patty murray had been in very good faith discussions and negotiations to do just that. and as they got closer, what happened is republicans got nervous that they were actually going to do something to improve the affordable care act, and they went into a full alert and decided to pull the plug on it. that's when paul ryan said no, house republicans will never pass that compromise.
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the reality is that while senator lamar alexander had good intentions and senator mccain had good intentions, it seems like mitch mcconnell and the others were always conspiring against that bipartisan effort and always pushing to blow up the affordable care act completely. >> senator, i think we both know that there is no member of the senate whose microphone reaches as many people as jimmy kimmel's does. what do you make of his entry into this last-minute debate in the senate tonight? >> i think it's a very important moment. and it's an important moment because people like senator cassidy and others had been selling their bill as a bill that met this jimmy kimmel test. and now jimmy kimmel goes on the air and tells millions of americans in a nonpartisan way, it just isn't the case, stop using my name to peddle something that's going to hurt tens of millions of americans. >> senator chris van hollen, thanks very much for joining us on this breaking news story. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, more breaking
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news tonight. president trump's long time personal lawyer michael cohen will be the first trump associate to testify publicly in a congressional investigating committee hearing. ngs. but if that's not enough, we offer innovative investing tools to prepare you for the future. looks like you hooked it. and if that's not enough, we'll help your kid prepare for the future. don't hook it kid. and if that's still not enough, we'll help your kid's kid prepare for the future. looks like he hooked it. we'll do anything... takes after his grandad. seriously anything, to help you invest for the future. ally. do it right.
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we're going to have more of what jimmy kimmel had to say tonight, including the part where he says that senator cassidy lied to his face. we're going to have that later in the program. but first, breaking news from "the wall street journal," reporting that deputy attorney general rod rosenstein has been interviewed by special prosecutor robert mueller. he knew that firing mr. comey
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wouldn't end the russia investigation and that it could create additional problems for him. mr. rosenstein told investigators the president shrugged off any potential consequences, telling mr. rosenstein he didn't want the fbi director and wanted him out of government, the person said. also tonight donald trump's long time attorney michael cohen will be the first trump associate questioned in a public televised senate hearing investigating the trump campaign's russia connections. michael cohen was scheduled to testify privately to the committee today, but after he violated his agreement with the committee not to make public statements, the committee canceled the meeting. join us, vice president for the national security program at the third way, and tim o'brien, executive editor of bloomberg view, an msnbc contributor.
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i want to go to that moment where they decide to end this meeting with michael cohen. that's happening behind closed doors so we don't know exactly what was said. but it seems to me it would have to be a bipartisan agreement, the republican chairman would have to agree to end this meeting with michael cohen. >> that's right. what you see here is on a by partisan basis, the committee being very angry at cohen for releasing a statement, something that he had agreed that he wouldn't do. and they took a very strong stance, dismissing him and saying they're going to call him back in open session later. they're sending a strong message to any future witnesses, don't mess with us. >> and the messing, mieke, is when we make an agreement with you about testifying privately, everything about it has to be private. michael cohen violates that. so they want to deliver the
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message to anyone else, if we make one of these agreements with you, you better abide by it. >> exactly. >> and tim, michael cohen, you know him, you've covered trump world for a long time, "trump nation" as your book calls it. >> donald trump loves thugs. he loved roy cohn, he leaves steve bannon, he likes michael cohen. he likes bravado and people who take it to the street. cohen has always rolled that way. one of the interesting things in his statement that he provided to the intelligence committee is what he didn't say. he said i wasn't involved with targeting ads to destabilize the clinton campaign and i wasn't involved with russian hackers. but no one ever specifically said that's what investigators were interested in him about. i think what they're interested in are financial quid pro quos and deals he tried to engineer as tradeoffs for policy benefits
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to the russians. and he addressed none of that in the statement he made today. >> meike, one of the interesting points about the breaking news tonight about rod rosenstein being interviewed by the special prosecutor's office is that it happened months ago. this thing that happened months ago has just leaked now. so when we get leaked information about what's going on in the special prosecutor's investigation, it's frequently that way, it's frequently something that happened months ago. and so we have -- that doesn't tell us anything about where they actually are tonight. >> that's right. it's sort of like driving by looking in the rearview mirror. we don't know where they are right now, but we may have some sense of where they've been. what's interesting about the rosenstein investigation, as the article notes, is that he's still in place, he still has a role in the department of justice, overseeing this
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investigation, which if the mueller team were really concerned about his involvement, they might be seeking the department of justice to have him recuse himself from this investigation if they thought he was a significant witness. >> and tim, i always look to you to go inside the mind of donald trump, because you've studied him for so long. the line where rod rosenstein says, oh, trump knew this wouldn't change the investigation, he just doesn't like him. that to me is the inside the mind moment. he's just firing him because he just doesn't like him. and look what he's brought on himself. >> we've talked about this before. i think mueller's in the same danger. i think if push comes to shove in this investigation, donald trump will not hesitate to shove robert mueller out the door. >> because he just doesn't like him and that's the way he does business. >> that's right. >> thank you both for joining us tonight, i really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, the newest indispensable tool to track all developments in the trump/russia investigation. rob reiner is backing this new tool. he'll tell us about it.
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and this is no movie script. >> that video with morgan freeman is on a new website dedicated to tracking the most complex investigation of our time. the website, called the committee to investigate russia, was launched today at investigaterussia.org, created by a committee of people who are worried that the president of the united states is not worried about russia's interference in our election. >> my fellow americans, during this past election, we came under attack by the russian government. i've called on congress and our intelligence community to use every resource available to conduct a thorough investigation to determine exactly how this happened. >> joining us now, one of the founders of the committee to investigate russia, rob reiner, director, emmy award winning actor and activist. rob, what we just saw morgan freeman saying at the end is what you would have hoped the president of the united states
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would have said. >> yes. i mean, when you think about it, lawrence, historically, whenever this country has been attacked, whether it's pearl harbor, 9/11, we as a country have always come together. republicans, democrats, have always unified in a patriotic way to protect our country. this is the first time we have been invaded by a foreign power where we have remained divided. the big reason we have remained divided is because our president has not accepted the severity of what has happened. that's why we started this effort. i've reached across the aisle to republican friends who i'm very, you know, proud to be associated with. james clapper, who is the former director of national intelligence. max boot, charles sykes. these people who are concerned, who are patriots, and like i said, the politics, the cliche, it stops at the water's edge.
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this is the first time that we have been attacked and those politics do not stop at the water's edge. we have to understand the severity and how critical this attack has been. >> i was studying the website today. you have the day's breaking news is the first thing you see. then there's a bunch of little keys you can hit on there, key players, which i was looking at, which i have to say, when you click on the russians, it's really useful because it's hard to keep track of all of them. not to mention that, you know, an anchorman has to study and kind of memorize some of those names. but i think it's a tremendous tool. people should have this open while rachel and talking about th it, while i'm talking about it. >> absolutely. we get a tutorial every night from rachel and from you, and those of us who are interested. but i think the general public, it is very confusing. there are so many moving parts. what we try to do is not just
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focus on the events breaking every day, but we try to look at the history of how the former soviet union has tried to disrupt our democracy. we look at the effects of cyber warfare. this is something that we don't quite understand the impact of this. you're a little younger than me, but i remember when we had to jump under desks during the cold war because we are worried about nuclear holocaust. now we have cyber warfare that you can't had had a bombing, we would have been unified. but something more dangerous has happened. they're starting to sow dissension. >> that's why morgan freeman says we are at war. thank you for joining us, it's a helpful tool, we appreciate it.
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another deadly hurricane, a category five is approaching saint croix in the u.s. virgin islands and threatening puerto
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rico after that. the national hurricane service is about to release its 11:00 p.m. update. msnbc bill karins joins us now. and, bill, saint croix was largely spared by hurricane irma, but here it comes. >> 30 miles away, that's it. they're all in their safe rooms. winds are gusting up to 70 to 80 miles per hour as we speak. they're bet getding to the peak of hurricane maria. still 175 miles per hour winds, incredibly strong. it was the ittenth strongest ever measured in the atlantic basin and it's heading for 3.5 million people. that just doesn't happen. that's the level of concern that we have in this storm. here's the five-day forecast. we have a lot of interest in the turks and caicos and the bahamas ant east coast of the united states. once it gets past puerto rico, it should not be hitting any land areas for at least the next
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four to five days. here it is, the center of the eye with the 175 miles per hour winds you do not want to be in this circle. we're developing two eye walls, the smaller inner one and this larger outer one that's now over the top of saint croix. that's why they should all be in their safe rooms. as far as landfall goes, in puerto rico we're still looking at a landfall time of about 8:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. that's when we should be watching a category five hurricane making landfall on the
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should be able to get regular checkups and maternity care, et cetera, all of those things that people who have healthcare get and need? >> yep. >> so yep is washington for nope, i guess. and i never imagine i would get involved many something like this, this is not my area of expertise. my area of expertise is eating pizza and that's really about it. but we can't let them do this to our children and senior citizens and veterans or to any of us. >> that's jimmy kimmel tonight talking about senator cassidy's healthcare bill that republicans are now trying to push through the senate. senator cassidy promised jimmy kimmel that he would not try to pass a bill that takes healthcare away from millions of people, but that's exactly what he's doing now. >> so not only did bill cassidy fail the jimmy kimmel test, he failed the bill cassidy test. he failed his own test. and you don't see that happen very much. this bill he came up with is actually worse than the one
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that, thank god republicans like susan collins and lisa murkowski and john mccain torpedoed over the summer and i hope they have the courage and good sense do that with this one. >> jimmy kimmel gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now.summer. "the 11th hour" with brian willia williams starts now. tonight donald trump threatens to totally destroy north korea. the american president declares america first at the united nations and claims that parts the world are going to hell. also on the russian front manafort responds to the wiretap reports and what's going to happen when trump's longtime private lawyer has to appear publicly before the senate intel committee? and a new forecast with hurricane maria, which just tonight made the list of the top 10 most intense atlantic hurricanes of all time, thus a state of emergency in puerto rico as the 11th hour gets under way. and good evening once again

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