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speaking of rocket men they are vowing to step up missile arsenal. things are going really well here. >> it seems like an austin powers movie except the stakes are sort of high. >> kind of high. >> nuclear holocaust high. >> you speak korean. what is it? >> a sort of an older man that the miles per hour may have lost a few miles per hour on his fast ball, if you will. >> that's fantastic. i'll look over when i think about that. back here at home some democrats -- >> doesn't sound good. >> some are fuming that bernie sanders may have handed the gop a perfect platform to pass their health plan. >> went up and said everybody
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hates their plan. >> their plan is horrible. >> why don't you jump in the middle of that and actually try to help them out by debating. >> what's going on? >> the democrats have had so many bad ideas politically. i do have to say -- and we'll talk about this. this is without a doubt one of the worst political ideas i have heard in a very long time. they saving the republicans from their own stupidity. some would say immorality. >> it's not good. it's not pretty. that's to be really short here. >> we'll tell you all about that in just a moment. puerto rico reels from hurricane maria. pictures are still coming in. we'll be following both of those
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stories throughout the morning. another very busy morning along with joe, willie and me. we have washington anchor here. good to have you on board this morning. republicans have until next saturday to pass a bill to repeal obamacare. that race seems to have been ignoring earlier principals. varied on page 95 is a provision that exists alaska and montana. the provision is seen -- >> so this is like a corn husker kickback 2017 style. >> times two. >> exactly. >> let me tell you something right now. i have been critical of my republican brothers and sisters.
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>> on occasion. >> on occasion. >> i know they will not go there. my good friend lindsay gram said not too long ago this is the sort of stuff he will never support. let's go to the next story. >> there must be some kind of mistake here? >> no. i'm saying it isn't -- it couldn't be in lindsay's bill. >> it is a way to win over alaska's senior republican senator. >> lisa is one of three no votes on the health care repeal. >> who is trying to buy her off? >> i don't know. would they? >> lindsay gram and bill cassidy vowed there would be more for alaska. less than three months ago he said this. >> a couple of months ago he said he would never vote -- >> lindsay wouldn't go back on
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his word would he? >> let's take a look. >> well, i worry about corn husker kick backs. if they start doing that they will lose me. if you start taking some of the money and savings and buying off votes that's exactly what got us obamacare. i would repeal against that. >> i heard he said that kind of crap. >> yeah, that kind of crap. >> he said the corn husker kickback. >> the louisiana purchase. would he call it the montana provision and the alaska -- >> got to be careful about alaska. >> you're asking me to get in trouble here. >> maybe somebody ought to tell lindsay this is happening. maybe he doesn't know. >> as a public service to lindsay gram and all of the other republican senators we kindly refer you to page 95 of
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your own bill. maybe some of you ought to read your own bill. >> last week -- >> i can't believe -- no. i think this is fake news. i can't believe that lindsay gram three months ago would say that this crap would lose him. you wouldn't do this would he? >> maybe it is one of those fake facebook ads. like we are misreading it. in the real bill doesn't exist. >> suddenly even if it means a little more cash becomes a lot more palletable. >> this is a much bigger problem. we have had people coming on the show. i hate to say it but they have been lying about what's in this bill and what's not in this bill. it is objective. it isn't some subjective on my
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part. they come on the show and they lie about guarantees that aren't there. here is another example of somebody saying i would never do this. i would vote against this crap. and now as kasie hunt is reporting, now their donors are putting pressure on them. so three months later you go back on your principals? i really don't understand what would be worth it for them. >> so there is the president tweeting out he would never sign it. anyone who reads the bill would read that the states would have a waiver. they are saying there are but there aren't. >> there are not guarantees. if they can be waived they not a guarantee. >> lisa's central objection was the medicaid expansion piece of it. if you look through page 95 they
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would give an exemption from 2020 to 2026 ton medicaid roll back. this is the second time lindsay gram and others have gone back on the core objections. remember the regular order? he said you can't rush this through. >> that's right. >> here we are now rushing towards a deadline to get this done. that's one piece he has gone back on and now this idea of some kind of kickback. >> and john mccain, his declaration that they had to return to regular order, it was very moving. we have to bring sanity back to this process. there is no way that john mccain can now -- after saying that there's no way john mccain can support a bill where there's no regular order. the proper committees haven't had hearings.
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the congressional budget office hasn't even scored it. they are ordering one sixth of the economy. they don't know what the impacts are. they are all rolling overin their graves buzz this is a radical lurch on health care. >> this is the part about bernie sanders we were all eluding to. last week 16 senate democrats flocked to support independent bernie sanders bill far singer payer medicare for all health care system. this coming monday sanders will start the week with a nationally televised debate. a democratic source told nbc news this is exactly the debate they want to have. sanders is looking out for himself rather than being a teen
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player. former obama spokesperson tweeted i'm not your single payer versus gram ka-- >> exactly. the debate the republicans want. in fact senator gram framed their -- the only alternative to the single payer idea when he introduced it last week. >> if you believe repeals and replacing obamacare is a good idea this is your best and only chance to make it happen because everything else has failed except this approach which will work if we get behind it. if you want a single payer health care system this is your worst nightmare. bernie, this ends your dream of single healthcare system for america. >>. >> i cannot believe how stupid
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this is politically. i cannot believe that chuck shumer or anybody could have ever signed off on this idea where your actually going to drive a lot of people towards lindsay gram's bill because -- wait a second, socialism, medicare for all for a system we already know is going bankrupt versus returning it to the states. both of them are radical. i want to go with a radical plan or do we go with a radical plan that may not -- how could bernie sanders -- how could they do this? it is not just the democrats they are letting down. it is millions of people that could be hurt by the passage of the republican bill. >> the reality is medicare for all is way more popular with people in principal and it polls much better than what the
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republicans are suggesting. if you're with bernie sanders right now and you see lindsay gram giving that speech. he is beating bernie sanders. any half way sane politician that sees it says that guy is try to go bait me, probably far reason. the whole point here is to keep the focus on how bad this republican bill is. we can have a debate later about the virtues of medicare for all and single pair. you might win that debate. >> how about after next saturday? how about that? it's not like he has a way until 2019 -- >> all you got to do is keep focused on how many people of every stake holder just keep talking about that. that's all you got to do. don't take the bait. >> even the insurance companies
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are against gram cassidy. part of them will lose it but they are also worried about single payer. they say if you turn all of this money over you'll end up with a single payer system that states can't afford. it will be scarcity. people won't have coverage. you'll put it back in and allow people to go after single payer. >> and there's not one sane person on the deck. a modern kplieconomist, busines leaders that have looked at medicare -- if you don't -- that don't understand in its current form is not sustainable. bernie will be going out there giving lindsay gram all of the biggest target in the world. suddenly here is radical plan
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doesn't look so radical. i know it's been announced that democrats should go to bernie and say for the sake of us, for the sake of millions of millions of americans you have to wait until next saturday. >> yeah. you can't believe -- and i know that the democratic leadership has been work around the clock to make this front and sicenter. they have been dealing with earthquak earthquakes. they have had to really work hard to try to make sure this is getting the attention it deserves. they have been celebrating they have got this on board. along comes bernie sanders and totally distracts the attention. what i don't understand is why amy has signed onto this. i don't know why she is doing it. >> i'll say that even in the narrowest sense for bernie sanders own politics, if bernie
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sanders wants to run for president in 2020, the reality is right now the biggest weakness he has -- which a lot of democrats agree with. he is out for himself. there are a lot of democrats who feel that way. him doing this on his own narrow self-interest will make that argument more powerful for those who say this guy is not a team player. this guy is out for himself. it's bad for the debate. it's bad for the party. it's bad for -- it's strategically bad and bad for sanders on his own narrow selfish terms. >> the bernie sanders debate is probably a bad idea. i don't think they will sit and watch that and say you know what? maybe bernie is right. in other words it's a theoretical debate. where the rubber meets the road
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is where lisa votes. >> if you make it a choice -- and there will be a lot of polling next week. it will poll the low 20s, high teens and that's something that john mccain and susan collins, all of these other republicans will look at it and say wait a second. you want me to go out and basically screw my legacy over a bill that 80% of americans are opposed to? let's have the bernie debate. just full blown health care socialism versus states rights. >> and don't vote for this. >> let's have that. >> and then suddenly when they go to vote on saturday i guarantee you there will be poll that is show 40% of americans support gram's bill. suddenly he is waiting 75 or 80%
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of republicans in my state want me to vote for this? you talk about something that will push triablism. bernie sanders preaching socialism will do that. >> just think about it this way. one of the things we have seen in 2017 is as we debated it more all that's really happened is that obamacare has gotten more popular. >> right. >> which debate do you want? do you want a debate between the horrible bill and the increasingly possible status quo or do you want to have a debate between the gram cassidy bill and this which is more popular but it's not more popular than the current system. have the debate you want to have which is the debate between this status quo and horrible alternative. >> yes. we want to turn to the
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devastating news in mexico. rescue workers continue to dig around the clock as the search for survivor i heads into a fourth day. the situation remains fluid officials say the death toll has climbed to 273 with majority of those deaths coming from mexico city. crews are using dogs, cameras, motion detectors to try to find those who may still be alive trapped under the rubble. mexico city firefighters shared this footage of an elderly woman being car rid out to safety as cheers erupt among the rescue crews. mexico's navy is apologizing for communicating incorrect information that captivated the country and the world. officials say all students at the collapsed school in mexico city have been accounted for and that the schoolgirl supposedly trapped turned building had either tried or never actually
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existed. joining us now is steve patterson. you're at a collapsed factory where they were able to find two survivors last night. you may have to interrupt and stop talking due to the fluid nature of what's going on but tell us what you can. >> reporter: well, what happens when that happens is crews have to automatically go into a silent mode because they think they identified or found a pocket. since this earthquake struck we knew this would be a matter of life and death. that point is now emphasized. when you're talk about going into day four, if you're talk about rescuing anybody beyond this point it better be down within the next 24 hours. this is what used to be a text tile factory. it pancaked down collapsing on top of people inside. so far mexican authorities confirm at least 20 bodies have been pulled out of this site
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alone. however as you mentioned there have been a few bright spots. workers will stop what they are doing and they have identified somebody that may be alive and in some cases they have found the living. they pulled two people living out of that rubble. it was a miraculous site. pretty joyous but they get right back to work. they have been using sledge hammers and using this giant crane to pull debris out of it. they have been using backhoes to pull as much debris out of this site so they can go in and do the hard work of trying to find any source of life and to move it out of here. hopefully it can be done in the next few hours to find anybody that's still lifg around mexico city. back to you. >> thank you very much. now to the latest on hurricane maria which is still a deadly category 3 storm. this is after hitting the
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dominican republic knocking out power to tens of thousands of people in puerto rico. humanitarian disaster. the extent of the crisis is just being realized. major flooding, no power. little food and water. yesterday we saw people carrying empty plastic bottles and waiting in long lines. fema said it would start flying supplies today including more food and water and generators and temporary shelters. joining us from san juan is tammy. what's the latest where you are? >> reporter: these are war zone conditions. no power, no running water and food is starting to get low. to make it worse rescue teams are out there not sure who needs help because of the lack of communication on the island right now. we got a chance to go out to neighborhoods and roads are completely under water. they have turned to rivers. some people in order get out of
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their home, they have to wade through water. people bought rash shons but they didn't buy enough is what we are being told. they have enough to get them through a week or two weeks at the most. with no electricity they have no way to refrigerate anything they purchased. we saw people looking for loaves of bread. oonl few bakeries. we spoke to police an hour or so ago. they said that the looting is starting. as people begin to get low on supplies that's when the looting gets worse. this situation is not showing any signs of improvement. >> thank you very much. let's go right now to nbc news meteorologist, bill. >> flooding conditions continue but they will improve this afternoon. we have a couple of flash flood warnings. a flash flood watch for this afternoon. there is still bands of heavy
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rain. one is close to 40 inches of rain for the storm. just picture when we actually get to say all of the mud slides and all of the rain and what e rivers did. the damage they did will be breathtaking. the storm itself is battering pretty hard. it is only about 30 miles away. still has 125 miles per hour winds. still a major hurricane. it will be done effecting any land areas. the path does take it to the north between bermuda and the outer banks. on wednesday or thursday as a much weaker storm it could get close to the outer banks. it could be in large waves. it is important to point out we are at the peak of the hurricane season. this is the graph of that shows how it descends here. another two or three weeks and we'll see it kind of going quiet. nothing else brewing out there. >> thank you very much. still ahead, facebook
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joining us msnbc political analyst and school of public policy former democratic congressman herald ford jr. >> he is a straight shooter. >> remember that ad? >> great ad. '06. >> the already is in the blessing business. >> the lord is in the blessing business. >> the slord in the blessing business. >> the lord is in the blessing business. >> i have never heard that before. >> i am not familiar with these kind of phrases. >> the national association is joining the opposition to the republican plan. >> there are 50 of them. >> the group represents medicaid
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directors warning of serious implications and moving that money into state grants. the group calls the legislation the largest transfer of financial risk from the federal government to the state in our government's history. just popping that in. >> herald ford jr. there are so many things. we could talk about how horrible this bill is. right now we need to talk about how horribly the democrats seem to be batching this. -- botching this. getting out to debate this bill. it seems like the democrats are playing right into the republicans hand. instead of talking about how bad this bill is they will put out their own propose sam that will be unpopular. >> obamacare has become the middle ground. you have a lindsay gram you have
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to wonder whether or not they appreciate fully what they are doing to the health care risk and health care coverage in the country too no doubt there are governors around the country who made clear where they stand on this democrats put aside health care have real problems. we don't have a set of things we stand for. if we stand for bernie sanders then we have a real problem going forward. the fact republicans are talking about tax cuts where do we stand and what is it that we want? >> does this not drive every republican to the republican side? you have got a guy -- and it used to be it would be that's a horrible thing. bernie calls himself a
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socialist. this medicare plan for all is socialism and i think you agree medicare is already on an unsustainable course. we can debate all of that stuff. i guarantee you though it's not a debate among all republicans it is hard to understand how we as a party if we are going to expect them -- i think steve was on the show and made clear if you look at california which tried to advance something like that th, they have a budget of $180 million. i would cost between 400 and $500 billion. how can we as a party honestly and incredibly say we are for balancing the budget and for honest numbers and for doing something like this? it is hard to imagine that we
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can maintain credibility on this front. >> and john, if you're a democrat you're winning the debate right now. you're winning the debate. >> yes. let republicans do what they are going do. >> you don't have to agree. medicare for all -- >> what's your point? >> on this point. medicare for all is quite popular really interesting
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debate. should have had that debate. let's have it three months from now. >> i just want to say after this -- >> it may be popular right now. i promise you it will unfold like a cheap suit in the course of a 60 minute debate on cnn. >> that doesn't mean it's not a debate worth having. >> all you have to do is say focus on how terrible this republican bill is. last week he said -- great quote. he says i can give you ten reasons why this bill shouldn't be considered. he said we campaign on it and we have to pass it. that's the whole problem. this is republicans saying on the merits he says there's ten reasons why it shouldn't even be considered it's so terrible. we have to do it because we said we were going to do it. if democrats want to fight this
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focus on that. don't introduce another element that is unnecessary to winning it. >> how do you think they agree on anything? what are the chances that all 50 will come out and say yeah, we are all -- this time they have to put them out there repeatedly saying this is bad. get the republican governors who signed saying we don't support this bill. get them out there. put their pictures occupy. -- up. >> we need to hear from chuck -- >> and we need to -- >> yeah. amy should not be doing this and bernie sanders should not be doing this if they care about the millions and millions of americans that will be left behind. grandstand after saturday. let the republicans stack this up against obamacare which is over 50%.
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>> again, the thing is this is another example. the fact that what hillary clinton was saying all along, he doesn't care about what's in the democratic party's best interest and this will stay with him especially if health care -- if this health care bill passes then it will be hung around bernie sanders neck like for the rest of his political career. he will not survive it. mark it down here at 6:36 on friday morning. he will not survive it if this debate moves forward. >> we need to look and see what people like chuck are saying. i would love to hear what hillary clinton is saying about this. >> yeah. >> i can give you a pretty good idea about that. >> i don't need a crystal ball. >> have we seen the we told you so yet? >> this vote is the latest and
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maybe the last in a series of failures in the effort to repeal and replace obamacare. that's why donald trump is so frustrated with him and that's why he is working with them. this thing, he won them the white house. this thing that was supposed to be easy has been a complete mess. >> that's why this is so time sensitive. you don't want to miss it up now. they could put this to bet. >> thing is in the coffin. you need one more nail to hammer into it. don't show up and open that back up again. >> let's pull it out. you don't want to do that. so the speech that i really want to hear coming out of all of this is john mccain once again going to the senate floor and calmly explaining all of these false deadlines, all of these false choices.
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hey, i just read a bill. have them go out -- instead, we screwed up this year. i'll take the blame. you take the blame, washington can take the blame. why don't we all commit that coming back here next year and starting on january 4th and starting to do it the right way where republicans and democrats get together and they draft a health care bill that we then take to the proper committees and that we score from the congressional budget office and we have democrats put amendments in and republicans put amendments in and get a health care plan that is not held hostage by one party or the other. get a health care plan for all americans. that is a 90% proposition. americans would love to hear that instead of all of this last second maneuvering. >> it just makes washington look worse. >> can we get worse?
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kim jong un is responding to trump. in a lengthy statement kim described trump as a frightened dog and said i'm thinking hard about what response he could have expected when he allowed such eccentric word to slip off
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of his tongue. he will face results beyond his expectation. i will surely and can he have nitly name the mentally der ranged u.s. dotered with fire. a dot ard is defined as a weak or senile -- donald trump responded. kim jong un of north korea who is obviously a madman will be tested like never before. >> we get it. >> seriously. you are not a child. you are a 70-year-old man. stop. >> caddy. -- this is a sad time. >> if i can put a caveat on that. >> yeah. we expect this from north korea and some times north korea
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reminds me of young children when they are desperate for your attention. they will launch missiles or sending outrageous comments. you don't really expect the leader of the united states to engage every time kim jong un calls -- >> dotard. >> you expect him to take a high ground. >> you're giving him what he wants. >> and you're giving him more and more of an excuse to try to actually do something. >> and provoke the president has done it again. now he is going to respond. >> this was the concern during the presidential campaign. we are not talking about little marco anymore when donald would give nicknames. he said what happens if he wins and he is president of the united states and the stakes are higher. you're provoking and antagonizing somebody. here we are. we have the insult comic on
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twitter going back and forth with a man who has nuclear weapons. >> who is referring to him as the u.s. dot ard. >> there is a diplomatic push to see if we can have one last-ditch effort. things that are happening at the moment. you have this weird sound track and if we have a war with north korea it could end up as a mistake. it could be something like this that precipitates a miscalculation. there is nothing to be gained. >> and this is between two men behaving extraordinarily immaturely. you know, herald, when you're running the most powerful country on the planet you don't have to respond to insults. i mean i think we all learned this in public life some pretty crazy things can be out there. you let it go because you know
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that just responding elevates somebody that's just yapping to try to get your attention. >> and we all know that. the president, he just can't let anything pass. >> it's a political campaign that's fine. if you're letting yourself get easily played by this little dough boy -- >> you're revealing -- you would reveal you're pathetic and needy if you respond to something like that. >> or weak and insecure. you're just opening the stakes because know un is going to respond. when do they fire -- >> it amplifies that willie articulated. you wonder where the james baker is.
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>> he is not working. >> you have to stop this. this is not playfulness here. this is two people playing with nuclear weapons and a leader in another part of the world who feels comfortable calling the leader of the free world -- >> what is the word? >> dotard. >> dotard. >> people have got to get him to stop when you're talking about north korea and nuclear weapons. tone it down. let's try to avert nuclear war. president trump heading to alabama later today. i swear to god. >> i swear to god what? i wish i were going to alabama today. >> wait. espn is saying upset alert? >> they are saying upset alert.
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what did you think of melania's cyber bullying speech at the u.n.? ? look, i saw there was a little heat at the table here over this, and i don't get it. i mean, do you know she's married south guy who wrote i was bleeding badly from a facelift. among other things, the guy is a bully. he's a bully up and down, whether it's verbal, whether it's written, whether it's tweeted. he's rude, and he's mean to people. i think it's strange that the first lady of the united states
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would make a speech on such a platform just completely not discussing the fact that her husband, the president of the united states, is a bully. it's crazy. >> willie, what do you think of that? >> it is crazy. >> i thought your tie was good. your hair was just so. mika was eloquent. >> i thought it was nice and your music was great. >> no, it wasn't, but thank you. >> but it is crazy this platform they've developed for melania. it's like they're in opposite universes. >> it's clear that she should speak to her husband about the issue. she's the face of it. but i'm glad one of the most powerful women in the world is raising this issue up and talking about it and putting it out there. maybe she's not the best messenger because of her husband, but i'm glad she's talking about it. >> it's a great issue. she should talk to her husband about it. >> and it's specifically cyber bullying. >> that's his sweet spot. >> exactly.
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maybe next time they meet on stage and talk about it. yesterday put this mika know your value thing up. yesterday mika -- >> i'm so excited about this. >> talk about this. we want people to go there. yesterday we put this up, and it streamed, some ted cruz sites. you talk about it really quickly, and then we want to tell people where to get tickets. >> the next know your value. you're going to be there. we're going to have sara jessica parker, martha stewart, you guys are invited. but behave. >> behave and be quiet. >> it would be better if you didn't come. >> it's going to be great. >> knowing your value. and there's going to be a know your value grow your value bonus competition. there thereby three finalists pitching their value live. >> seriously, they'll grow and
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welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday. it's been a very long week. >> it's been a long week. >> september 22nd. with us, heidi prisbella, jeff mason, harold ford junior. good to have you all on board. it's do or die for senate republicans to repeal obamacare with 51 votes. but with the republican majority under pressure, senator bernie sanders is stealing the spotlight. on monday he will swear off in a nationally televised debate against the sponsors of the republican bill. a democratic source told nbc news this has exactly the debate graham and cassidy want to have. sanders is looking out for himself rather than being a team player. and former obama spokesman tweeted i'm not sure single payer versus graham cassidy is
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the debate we want. proof this is the debate the republicans want, senator graham framed their bill as the only alternative to sanders' single payer idea when he introduced it last week. >> if you believe repealing and replacing obamacare is a good idea, this is your best and only chance to make it happen, because everything else has failed except this approach which will work if we get behind it. if you want a single payer health care system, this is your worst nightmare. bernie, this ends your dream of a single payer health care system for america. >> heidi, it seem sounds like the democrat's nightmare. >> it's an absolutely gift. what has been the main and really only argument that the republicans have to stand behind at this point is that single payer is at the gates. if we don't do this, this is the
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alternative. there's no way to mix obamacare, which is not true, instead of having this debate which the democrats should be having, maybe about universal care or about the things that they can do to fix obamacare instead, now, this debate is going to shift to the area where the republicans want it to be. which is you don't do what we're telling you to do, you're going to get single payer. >> now for republicans, and these bills have all been 18, 19% propositions. nobody likes these bills. but now for republicans in the tribe, you're going to have lindsey graham, donald trump, and others say, okay, you saw that debate monday night. guess what. now here's your choice. t not about obamacare which over 50% of americans support. the choice is you can have socialized medicine and medicine for all in single payer or give the states more power and
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authority. again, i don't need liberal journalists saying -- >> is that how they talk? >> yeah. or bern nie supporters going crazy. all that matters were whether this passes or fails is the tribe. the republican tribe. and given that choice, that's a 90/10. that's a unifier, right? >> it seemed 24 to 48 hours, potentially distasteful for people like lisa murkowski or rob portman to take a payoff like some kind of a slush fund, an additional carveout as part of this legislation to get it through. now that republicans are going to have this to point through, it's going to be a hammer that they can use on some of these republicans who are in the medicaid expansion states. and they will have that to use instead of these numbers that are now coming out from the scoring that we're getting showing what it will do to
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children on medicaid, what it will do to the di abled. i think there will be a lot of pressure on those vulnerable republicans. >> what are schumer and pelosi and the democratic leaders saying about what sanders is doing? >> they have no control over this. that has been the same thing from the point of the campaign perspective as well. this is not the debate that they want. >> so schumer wanted him to push the bill last week, but this debate -- he did a green light. but this debate, who in the democratic party thinks this is a great idea for the party? and why is amy klobuchar -- >> it's -- he's going to get lots of support from the bern nir ba bibase, but it's not helping the democrats. >> it's probably a bad idea for democrats, but do you believe that amy klobuchar or susan
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collins or the few that swing to decide whether it's passes, will they be influenced enough to sort of vote for something that they've been fundamentally against for so long like the rollback of medicaid expansion? >> these are smart senators. there's a reason they didn't vote for it the last time. i don't think that debate is going to convince then. i do think the white house is pushing them. you saw the president saying any republican who doesn't vote for health care will be known as the republican who didn't save health care. i think the white house is going to continue pressuring hard. i'm not convinced this particular argument is going to be what pushes them over the edge. >> it's amazing how far the numbers have moved toward single payer. this is a little greedy and overstepping, because if they just -- the democrats, just let the process play out --
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>> a little bit? >> saturday, a week from saturday? >> yes. >> that's the end. >> if this goes down -- >> why doesn't bernie do it sunday? >> timing is everything. just wait until sunday. go on whatever show's on sunday. there aren't any news shows on sunday. i'm joking. when does kcdc start? >> i don't know. >> i'm going to love that. >> kasie hunt's show? >> yes. >> you need to be quiet. >> president trump is -- okay. you're leaving the set. >> oh. >> if you have to -- yes, there's too many blurts. >> mrs. scarborough? >> whoa. wait a minute. did you -- >> what the -- >> >> listen, that's a another conversation. >> what did you just say? >> no. don't say that again. okay. >> president trump is waking up at his --
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>> that's under debate right now, actually. >> yes. uh-huh. >> it's friday. stirring it up. >> just stirring it up. >> i don't know. what's in the news, mika? >> i'm just letting everyone watch joe sweat right now. president trump is waking up at his golf club in new jersey where he will spend the weekend with the exception of a rally tonight in huntsville, alabama. a critical region in the u.s. senate run off for senator luther strange an ally of mitch mcconnell, appointed to fill the unexpired term of jeff sessions. strange has been trailing the former state supreme court justice roy moore in the public polling. >> by the way, it says if you're driving right now, it says that strange is losing to roy moore 44% to whatever that other number is until they put it up, 35%. i've heard from several sources
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in the middle of that race that it's actually a lot closer than that. >> i've heard the same. that the polling we're seeing is not the same polling they're seeing in the candidates or among the candidates. i think another interesting dynamic to the race is the white house versus steve bannon. because you have president trump going to alabama to argue in favor of strange but you have steve bannon and breitbart and some of his allies arguing for roy moore. that dichotomy is interesting. >> it is hard to find a state where donald trump is more popular than alabama. and if he's able to go into alabama and save the candidacy of luther strange, that does -- that will -- won't that send a really powerful message to other republicans? >> he has to do it. a lot of republicans don't feel and don't know that he actually has their back. so here is a critical moment for the president to be pushing his agenda through. he doesn't go to a place like
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alabama? >> right. >> and back up and preserve his republican majority. that is going to send a devastating signal at a time when he really needs these republicans to coalesce around his agenda. >> if he loses it says maybe the threats aren't as powerful as people think. >> it's a risk. >> if you look at the roy moore event last night, it's interesting. you have so many trump supporters up there, high profile to rally support. and so they're walking that line of okay, the president supported the other guy. we support this guy, and if you listen to what they said last night, they blamed mitch mcconnell and other republicans in congress for the things that haven't been done in washington, not president trump. everybody is walking the fine lines in alabama. >> it's gotten to the point where if donald trump slices a ball into the woods on one of his clubs, golf courses, they blame mitch mcconnell and paul
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ryan. they blame them for everything. >> there's a lot of that. president trump's approval rating has slightly rebounded in response to hurricanes. the cnn poll shows trump's approval rating at 40%. the number is still five points lower than the past spring. a new poll shows immigration remains a serious concern for americans with 73% saying it is a somewhat or very serious problem. those numbers remain relatively unchanged from two years ago, yet just 23% feel illegal immigrants take away jobs from americans while 59% say they take jobs that americans do not want. and the last nbc wall street journal poll finds a majority of americans support the continuation of daca, but trump supporters want to end the program. >> independents 51 to 20%
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support the continuation of daca program. you look at the numbers and it seems like donald trump is -- has inched up in a lot of different polls this week over the past two or three weeks since steve bannon has been gone for the first time. in part, because he's supporting things like duaca that the majority of americans support. >> the hurricane relief vehicle probably being the biggest, daca and now the notion he's willing to work with democrats is enabling him. he never got above 45% in the election. to be back at 40, democrats are going to have to now -- we can't solely rely on we're against him. we have to have answers and corollaries to counter him. >> and politically -- >> or work with him. >> if you're at 40 %, donald trump, we've seen in the past of just respondents, americans, he's probably at 44, maybe even
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45%. >> that's a higher approval rating than i have at my own household. >> there's been a dramatic change in the past two or three weeks for donald trump's numbers since i hate to go back to it, since steve bannon left, and on some issues at least, certainly on on his twitter feed, but on some issues he seemed more open minded when it comes to working with democrats. >> i think it's helped him with the country. it would be interesting to know how it's affecting his poll numbers. coming out in favor of d.r.e.a.m.ers is not what his base wants to say. speaking of immigration, next week or in the coming weeks the white house is expected to lay out its prince pls for immigration reform, specifically on the d.r.e.a.m.er act. i think you'll see maybe moving back into the direction of what the base is looking for in terms
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of harder line positions on the wall and on parents of d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> even his base isn't holding it against him that he worked with democrats in the last deal. the polling showed only 8% of hard core trump supporters thought he was working too much with democrats. people say they want bipartisanship all the time in washington. it turns out they mean it, and when you show a little, your numbers go up. >> most of it was independents. they will quickly rebound once they see something that gives them hope, but i think the real critical test here is going to be not even so much what he does on daca, but with tax reform. this is his opportunity to show i'm not just working with democrats on stuff like keeping the government funded. i want to do big stuff that benefits the country on tax reform. where you see the freedom caucus is they want to scalp them again and move them to a pure right
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position of on taxes but there's an opportunity to work with some of the democrats to make this truly original for the middle class. >> that's why it's really, just staggering. i'm sure mitch mcconnell and other republican strategists inside the capital can't believe it as well, that republicans keep going back to health care. and to a debate that they're going to lose, a debate that makes them look cold hearted, a debate that drives their numbers down instead of the issue that's always unified republicans and that's tax cuts. we said it last november. >> yeah. >> we said it in january. we said it in june. i can't believe we're still saying it in the fall. this is -- >> it's vexing. >> this is stupid. rescue workers continue to dig around the clock in mexico as the search for survivors from this week's massive earthquake heads into a fourth day. while the situation remains fluid, officials say the death
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toll has now climbed to 286 with the majority of those deaths coming from mexico city. crews are using dogs, cameras, motion detecters, heat seeking equipment to try and find those who may be still alive trapped under the rubble. joining us outside a collapsed factory where rescue crews found two survivors last night, steve patterson. steve? >> reporter: you mentioned the dogs and the heat technology to try to get in there to find anybody who may be alive. they're also using basics. behind me this scene is just teeming, one of the most active sights in mexico city. trying to find anyone who is still alive. they're using backhoes and cranes trying to pull as much out as possible to see what they can see. overnight, we heard about rescues. we were on scene to see people being loaded on stretchers and taken away. it was a joyous occasion.
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the workers have been working for two to three days straight. they were cheering, but then they went right back to work doing what you see here. as you mentioned, we're heading into day four. now this is getting truly crucial to find people. if there are people still alive in wreckage in sites across mexico city, they need to get to work immediately. that's the hard work being done behind me. hopefully as we've been talking to crews on the ground, if there is anybody left in rubble like this, they can find and identify them in time to make a rescue. back to you. >> steve patterson, thank you very much. and now to the latest on hurricane maria which is a deadly category 3 storm roaring through turks and caicos. the dominican republic was pummelled with wind and rain causing widespread damage and knocking out power to tens of thousands. president trump declared puerto rico a federal disaster.
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major flooding, no power, and little food and water. yesterday we saw people carrying empty lastic bottles to get water and waiting in long lines for bread. joining us, tammy lightener. what's the latest there. >> reporter: joe and mika, as the death toll continues to rise, it's unknown how many people are still trapped in their homes, how many people need medical care, but the one thing that is known is that power is out across the entire island. there's no running water, and there's a dangerous shortage of food. the looting has begun. police arrested eight people looting a dproesnegotiate tryin get food. what we've seen are roads washed away in order to get out of their homes, people had to wade through knee-high or waist-high water. they told us they had supply -- >> all right. we lost tammy given the
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conditions. let's go straight to bill karins with more. bill? >> we're starting to get pictures now from outside of san juan. we were pretty isolated yesterday. now that we're seeing reporters getting out and power is coming back on, we want to show you some of the pictures that are returning from the area. there was a report of a dam released without telling the town, and they had about -- reported in the newspaper there saying eight deaths from the flooding you're seeing here. the video was shared and this water went through the sen for of town. water in their house was three to four feet through their living room. these are the pictures we'll unfortunately be showing you for the next week or two. the flooding outside of san juan was catastrophic and beyond record breaking in just about all cases on the major rivers. let's show you what we're doing. a chance of more flash flooding. flash flood warnings for the areas of the eastern portion of the island. the center of the storm is only 35 miles away from the east,
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northeast of grand turk island. the turks were hit by irma and getting smacked by maria. the forecast improves for all land areas. keep this out to sea. it will weaken from here. safely all the east coast and away from bermuda. wednesday or thursday, it could drift closer to cape hatteras. but then it would be a weak storm. we have nothing behind this. we're still at the peak of the hurricane season through the middle of october. there's nothing on its heels. it looks like a quiet weekend for much of the lower 48. in puerto rico, once again, we're just starting to see the tip of the iceberg, how bad it is. it's only going to get a lot worse. food, water, shelter, the whole island was hit. >> bill karins, thank you. we'll be checking back in with you. and jeff mason, thank you for joining us. >> pleasure. >> still ahead this morning, hillary clinton says donald trump is getting played by kim jong-un. we'll talk to senator chris murphy on the foreign relations
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but this missile test, and it's not clear yet from the early reports whether it's an intermediate range or an intercontinental ballistic missile, is sending a message from kim jong-un that he is not deterred and that's what i mean about all the tough talk that we hear from our president really, actually, playing right into kim jong-un's hands. and that's what i mean when i say he's been played. and this is a clear and present danger and if it's allowed to go forward, we will face even worse choices. >> all right. move all 100 points on the board over to hillary clinton, former senator. she's exactly right.
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first of all, that's number one rule of negotiating. or diplomacy, you never put yourself in a position where you're going to be shown to be ineffective, and he makes these threats, the president of the united states makes the threats, and you have a guy in north korea with nothing to lose by answering back. it elevates his status. it's the best thing that could happen for him. and hillary clinton said something that you've said all along, and that is that donald trump is one of the easiest guys in america to play. >> i said in realtime when he tweeted about me the next day. what worried me deeply was how easily this president can be played. and what it means on the world stage. we are seeing that playout -- >> you actually did say that. >> on the world stage. it's like a toddler brawl with nuclear weapons in the middle. it's unblooeelievable.
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>> sometimes mika will say she said things, but she didn't. t she forgot, but we know, we can pull the tape -- i'm joking -- mika said right after the tweet, said bloody face tweets or friday the 13th tweet donald trump said, she said i'm fine. you were onset with her. she was kind of laughing it off. then she said i'm not worried about myself. what i'm worried about is how easy that guy was played. i made fun of him for his fake "time" cover, and i knew he wouldn't stop from responding. then she said what concerns me is what happens on the international stage, and as hillary clinton said this guy is getting played. by a little guy in north korea -- >> and kim jong-un knows it. vladimir putin knows that flattery is the way to get to donald trump. he traveled to the middle east and they projected trump's face on the side of a hotel. they knew he would respond to it. everyone has figured him out.
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and by the way, the president of the united states does not watch "morning joe." he was watching a clip somewhere else of hillary clinton said the greatest part of our election was media screaming for crooked hillary clinton. he's moving back. >> the administration, you need to think about 25. >> i think -- i think the fake news media was pretty hostile toward hillary clinton throughout most of the campaign. so that's just fake news, donald. just fake news. >> "the new york times" broke the server story. she'll never forgive them. >> constant pounding. they hammered on it. and hillary clinton supporters can tell you how many stories were done. >> and the wikileaks? i'm sorry. i remember that distinctively. because the media took every
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morsel. it was doled out in small amounts purposely, and every day there was a new hunt to find what in there they could write about regardless of news value. >> at the end of the day what we got was, john, a rissoto recipe. i think that was the most significant thing out of wikileaks. there was a couple of back and forth, but i'll say this again. wikileaks e-mails that were released just made me feel better about john podesta, the rest of the people that were around hillary clinton that they were self aware of the problems they were facing, and there wasn't this group think. so yeah, so, i mean, it just didn't -- at the end of the day, if they were trying to hurt hillary with that, they didn't do it. >> from the time podesta's e-mails were leaked from that
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day to election day, wikileaks was the most searched political term on google. people were constantly looking. as a backdrop for the four weeks of the campaign, people were obsessed with it. and wikileaks was conflated in voters' minds with her trouble at the state department. it was all just e-mail. it reinforced the notion she had a problem in that area. even though there were no bomb shells literally, you're right, there was not a single bomb shell in there, there was one thing about doug band and the clinton foundation. the problem was it was a nonstop stream of people asking e-mail, e-mail. >> so we heard hillary clinton saying the tough talk from trump is playing right into kim jong-un's hands. after being called a frightened dog and mentally deranged by the north korean leader yesterday, donald trump tweeted this morning, quote, kim jong-un of north korea who is obviously a madman who doesn't mind starving
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or killing his people will be tested like never before. fantastic. now, member of the foreign relations appropriations and health committees, chris murphy of connecticut joins us. this is pathetic, and frightening. i can't even imagine where this heads. how concerned are you that this sort of toddler dispute between north korea's leader and donald trump could lead to war? >> yeah. i've got a nine-year-old and a five-year-old and the back and forth sounds familiar to me. and it's really dangerous for two reasons. one, this over the top tough talk from donald trump, frankly, just convinces the north korean regime they have to move faster to be able to protect themselves and so they are going to up the speed of their testing regime to make sure they have an icbm
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mounted nuclear weapon to deter the kind of action that trump is talking about, and then when we makes specific threats against the north korean people which is what he's saying when he says he will destroy all of north korea, it plays into kim jong-un's hands, because he can then take that to the north korean people, increase and solidify whis standing and explain why he has to divert money from food and shelter and health care to the military programs. there's just absolutely nothing that makes sense about this strategy, and what scares the heck out of me is that this shutdown of diplomacy he's telegraphed leaves us no off ramp from the tough talk. this is a disaster from beginning to end. this is the one place where the congress doesn't really have checks and balances. these kind of day today foreign policy decisions are largely in the hands of the executive.
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>> senator, good to see you this morning. i want to ask you about the debate around graham cassidy. a proposal and bill you called an intellectual garbage truck fire. there's a debate scheduled for monday night between sanders, klobuchar versus graham and cassidy. bernie sanders will be talking about single payer. do you think, you have medical groups coming out against graham cassidy and insurance companies against it, now the medicaid representing all 50 states against it. do you think that debate is a good idea for your side? >> well, i don't think that bernie sanders is going to be talking about single payer health care on monday night. >> you don't? >> no. i think he'll talk act why graham cassidy is such an immediate threat to the country. >> has bernie told you that, chris? >> well, no.
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i've heard that from bernie's folks. i think he understands we need to make the american people understand the disaster with rates going up by 20%. republicans want to make the announcement of sanders' single payer idea why they're moving it forward. >> isn't sanders giving them the opportunity to do that. bernie sanders isn't going to run the debate. he'll be asked questions about why his idea for a single payer system in america is a better alternative than graham cassidy. >> i think he's going to be an effective advocate. i think he's going to be an effective critic against a piece of legislation that right now enjoys a 34% approval rating in the american public. >> why not just let the republicans dig their own hole on this? you have republican governors saying they don't like it. you have the 50 medicaid
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directors say they don't like it. let them go do the work. you don't need to at this point. sit back and the bill is starting to tank by itself. >> i don't know that's true. i think we have to be out there as the democratic party. >> but it's not in a televised debate form. >> that includes sanders and klobuchar. everybody has to explain what the bill does. i'm going to do everything in my power to stop it. bernie will. i think our collective efforts in the end will be successful. >> all right. >> senator, north korea is unlikely to change its ways unless moscow and beijing inflect what's real pain on them. do you think what happened yesterday with the bank of china cutting off ties is real pain? is that going to really move north korea? >> so china has taken small steps, but nothing that comes close to what is ultimately necessary to get north korea to change their mind. and, again, the difficulty here
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is that while tillerson and mattis are telling members of congress and the public they want a diplomatic solution, the president's twitter feed is saying there's no room for diplomacy and if the president doubles down on the tweets by backing out of the iran deal, then why on earth would north korea come to the table if the president signalled he's not willing to stand up and enforce diplomatic agreements? so whatever china is doing today, it is largely surface level sanctions, because they simply don't believe that trump is serious about ultimately providing north korea a diplomatic path out of this. until he makes clear that he is, until he makes clear he's willing to stand up for prior nuclear agreements with countries like iran, they're never going to do what's necessary with respect to sanctions in order to get the north koreans to the table. >> all right.
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senator murphy, thank you for being on the show. >> thanks. >> i just noticed today is the first day of fall. did we know that? >> i love fall. >> who is announcing that? nobody is on this show. we really dropped the ball. >> were we breaking the story? >> right now. >> thank god. >> speaking of an epic fall, all right, still ahead -- >> the pen et race. you're a red sox fan. it's looking good. red sox do not animate when i'm talking about the boston red sox. you'd better not. so how old do you want to be when you retire? uhh, i was thinking around 70. alright, and before that? you mean after that? no, i'm talking before that. do you have things you want to do before you retire? oh yeah sure...
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it's a great honor and privilege. he's become a friend of mine, to introduce president erdogan of turkey. he's running a very difficult part of the world. he's involved very strongly, and frankly, he's getting very high marks. >> frankly, he's a thug. and human rights in his country, prez rights in his country, have all gone up in smoke. this was a place that was a stability, was an oasis of stability, and for a lot of people at least a decade ago, catty cay, thought that turkey was hopefully the future of the middle east. a gateway between europe and the middle east, and it's -- sin this thug has taken over, it's gone in a terrible direction. >> it was a secular muslim country >> u.s. dotard. what does it mean that kim is in a position where he's doing something he's never been before which is to have it be this
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statement? >> what kim jong-un is trying to do is sort of mimic his grandfather? he is charismatic. he's trying to talk directly to people. also we've seen in the last several months or so, kim has been quoted by state media, not statements but quoted by state media in his words. this is a real indication he's trying to build a rapport and reach out to the rest of the world. this is an indication of his ambitions and mentality. >> ambassador burns, we're following developments out of iran. the president saying the country will boost its missile capabilities according to to state tv. he made the remarks this morning during a parade of armed forces in the capital city of tehran. he allegedly added they will not seek permission to boost their capabilities and iran will increase the military power as a deterrent. what is the message and who is he speaking to here? >> well, he's speaking to the
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sunni arabs who are his opponents, the united states and the europeans. here i think the trump administration has an opportunity. and the opportunity is this. iran's trying to punch a big hole in the sunni world. they've been the problem stoking violence as you know in iraq, syria, yemen, and lebanon. if president trump would talk to that side of the iran problem, he'd have lo ot of support from the europeans and sunni arabs and i think a lot of democrats and republicans in congress are sympathetic to the fact that we need limits on iran's ballistic missile activities. what did the president do this week? he focussed on the iran nuclear deal. it would be a loser for the united states if we walked out of that. there's two iran problems. we have them frozen on the nuclear side for at least a decade. we should keep that deal and focus on the other big problem. >> nick burns, it's katty here. the president has problems
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rallying the international community and allies when it comes to getting rid of the iran nuclear deal. i wonder about the language and the war of words with kim jong-un. is that also risking alienating foreign opinion and allies? because are they going to look at this and say what's the president doing? we want to get on board on north korea. we do. we are in the same place, but this isn't helping. >> well, katty, it's a good question. i think everybody realizes it's kim jong-un that's the problem. donald trump didn't start the north korea crisis, but the speech on tuesday that president trump gave was so bombastic and so shrill. it was the wrong words, wrong audience, that i think he has a problem with public opinion in south korea and japan. he has the support of the two governments but people don't want a war on the korean peninsula. we need to act as i said before, in a defensive way.
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very strong. we're in the right here. but if we promise to rain down fire on the north koreans, you're going to worry a lot of japanese and south korean civilians, and you want that public support for what we're trying to do as well. >> gordan, you have a clear-eyed view of north korea. you see through the rhetoric through the years because you understand that country so well. how concerned are you right now about the level of rhetoric and the ability of north korea now to back up what far long time has been essentially trash talk on the world stage? >> two things. foreign minister yesterday talked about an atmospheric test over the pacific. they're trying to show they can integrate all their capabilities and hold any country at risk. so that is important. it's more than just words. the other thing, though, i think the north koreans are now on the back foot. because the foreign minister was supposed to give his u.n. general assembly speech today, and he's postponed it indefinitely because i think the north korean regime does not know how to respond to trump,
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and it doesn't know how to respond to china. what trump just did was he intimidated china into getting their banks to stop all their business with the north koreans. that's a really big deal, because of gift politics. we talk about the money going to the weapons programs. as important is the money going to the regime elements, because that's how kim keeps the loyalty. >> so you're agreeing with ambassador burns that really the big news of this week, put on the bombast aside, the big news of the week are sanctions that actually matter? >> yes. i mean, these are sanctions that could actually solve this issue peacefully. that means the treasury department needs to go after all of these dollar transactions around the world. that's difficult. they're understaffed right now. they were understaffed last week. they are terribly just staffed now. this imposes so many more burdens on the people. we're going to get a big easter egg hunt around the world trying to find all this money going to the north koreans. and that takes a lot of people to do. >> yeah.
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>> wow. ambassador nicholas burns and gordan chang, thank you both for being on the show this morning. >> thank you, guys. up next, facebook ceo mark zuckerberg is speaking out after russian operatives apparently used his platform to influence platform to influence america's election. is the company doing enough to stop it from happening again? you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. for the holidays, we get a gift for mom and dad. and every year, we split it equally. except for one of us. i write them a poem instead!
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president trump was the first republican to win the battleground state of pennsylvania in nearly three decades, but a new poll shows the state does not approve of the job he's doing as president. just 29% of pennsylvania's registered voters say the president is doing an excellent job or a good job in the franklin-marshal poll. 71% say he's doing a poor or a fair job.
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in may 67% of republicans approved. now it's 53%. harold, i think, is it reality setting in? what do you think is behind this? >> pennsylvania, michigan, ohio were the states that set this president apart as a republican, as a person. >> they took a chance. >> for him to be where he is now, there has to be deep, deep concern in the white house about health care, about taxes, even though i think he's doing the right thing on daca and hurricane relief, this has got to be worrisome for him. >> heidi, they took a chance on him? >> think about what the winning averagement was. it was on the jobs argument, the trade argument, the china rhetoric. the infrastructure package, that we were going to come back and rejuvenate these old industry states. that's the thing that has decisively taken a back seat in the first several months amid fighting over obamacare and now daca. so i think there's probably a level of frustration at least. >> the question is are those the
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same numbers in michigan, wisconsin and ohio? >> remember, he won pennsylvania by something like 44,000 votes. he didn't have a huge margin for error anyway. now eight months in, it looks like some people are disappointed. >> harold and heidi, thanks very much. >> where is joe brzezinski? >> going to get his business card changed. the latest on a health care debate, a literal debate involving bernie sanders and some democrats say could help repeal the republican effort to repeople obamacare. plus, we're on the ground in two disaster zones after the earthquake in mexico city and the hurricane in puerto rico. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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0% fillers, always real meat #1. lifelong smart nutrition. it's all in one. purina one. ♪ >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday, september 22nd. along with joe, willie and me, national affairs editor john heilemann. >> whoa. never saw that coming. >> from "bbc world news america" katty kay. we'll get a live report from puerto rico? just a moment where the destruction is set to rival the flooding in houston after hurricane harvey. a live report from mexico in the wake of that country's massive earthquake. first, health care is again dominating the conversation in washington. republicans have until next saturday to pass a bill to repeal obamacare with just 51 vot
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votes. that race against the clock seems to have some ignoring earlier principles. buried on page 95 is a provision that exempts alaska and montana from blocked medicaid grants that are likely to affect other states. the provision is seen -- >> this is like a corn husker kickback 2017 style. >> times two. >> times two. let me tell you something right now. i have been critical of my republican brothers and sisters. >> on occasion. >> on occasion. but i know they will not go there because my good friend lindsey graham just said not too long ago, this is the sort of stuff he could never support. so let's just go to the next story, willie. >> some kind of mistake here, is that what you're saying? >> willie, this couldn't be in linds lindsey's bill?
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>> the provision is seen as a way to win over alaska's senior republican senator. >> what provision? >> lisa murkowski who is one of three no votes on the health care repeal. >> who is trying to buy her off? >> i don't know. would they? >> spokespersons for the legislation sponsors, lindsey graham and bill cassidy have denied that there would be more car carveouts for alaska. less than three months ago, he said this -- >> just a couple months ago lindsey said he would never vote for a bill. >> he wouldn't go back on his word, would he? this is what he said? >> i worry about corn husky kickbacks and louisiana purchases. if they start doing that crap, they're going to lose me. i'll vote to proceed. if you start taking the money and savings and buying off votes -- that's exactly what got us obamacare -- i would rebel against that. >> i heard him say that kind of
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crap. >> the corn husker kick backs, the louisiana purchase. what do we call it, the montana me-too provision and the alaska -- better be careful about alaska. >> you're asking me to get in trouble. >> maybe somebody ought to tell lindsey this is happening. maybe he doesn't know. >> as a public service to lindsey graham and the other republican senators offended by the corn husker kickback, we kindly refer you to page 95 of your own bill. maybe some of you ought to read your own bill. >> last week 60 -- >> heilemann, i can't believe -- i think this is fake news. i can't believe lindsey graham three months ago would say three months ago this crap would lose
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him -- >> maybe the page 95 is one of the fake facebook ads by the russians, we're. >> getting it passed if it means a little extra crash by lisa murkowski. >> can lisa murkowski be bought off? i don't think so. secondly, this is a much bigger problem. we've had people coming on this show -- hate to say it. they've been lying about what's in this bill and what's not in this bill, and its objective. this isn't some subjective judgment on my part. they come on the show and lie about guarantees that aren't there. here is another example of somebody saying i would never do this, i would vote against this crap. now, as kasie hunt is reporting yesterday and everybody else is reporting, now their donors are putting pressure on them. so what? three months later you go back on your principles?
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i really don't understand what would be woshlrth this for them? >> the president tweeting out he wouldn't sign it if there weren't the guarantees for pre-existing conditions. anyone who reads the bill can see the states can have a waiver and there are no guarantees. >> there are not guaranties. if they can be waived, willie, they're not a guarantee. >> lisa murkowski's central objection, not just here, but the last time, was the medicaid expansion piece of it. if you look lieu buried in page 95, giving an exemption from 2020 to 2026 to the medicaid rollback. they think this would get her. this is the second time that graham and others have gone back on the core objections. in may he said you can't rush this through, we haven't had a chance to look at it, score it, have hearings on it. >> he's right. >> here we are rushing towards a dead light of next saturday,
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september 30th, to get this done. that's one piece he's gone back on and now this idea of some kind of a kickback as the second. >> john mccain, mika, his declaration they had to return to regular order was very moving. he said we have to bring sanity back to this process. there's no way that john mccain can now after saying that just a couple weeks ago, there's no way john mccain can support a bill where there's no regular order. the proper committees haven't had hearings. the congressional budget office hasn't scored it. it's radical, reordering one-sixth of the economy. they don't know what the impacts are. russell kirk, edmound burke, william f. buckley all rolling over in their graves because this is a radical lurch toward the unknown on health care. >> last week 16 senate democrats
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including a few potential presidential candidates flocked to support independent senator bernie sanders' bill for a single pair, medicare-for-all health system. this coming monday sanders will start the week with a nationally televised debate against the sponsors of the republican bill. a democratic source told nbc news, quote, this is exactly the debate graham and cassidy want to have. sanders is looking out for himself rather thanning be a team player. former obama spokesman tommy vitor tweeted, i'm not sure this is the debate we want right now. >> no. tommy v. is right. >> it seems to be exactly the debate the republicans want. in fact, senator graham framed their bill as the only alternative to sanders' single payer idea when he introduced it last week. >> if you believe repealing and replacing obamacare is a good idea, this is your best and only
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chance to make it happen because everything else has failed except this approach which will work if we get behind it. if you want a single payer health care system, this is your worst nightmare. bernie, this and your dream of a single payer health care system for america -- >> i cannot believe how stupid this is politically. i can't believe chuck schumer or anybody could have ever signed off on this idea where you're actually going to drive a lot of people towards lindsey graham's bill because, wait a second, socialism, medicare for all, for a system we already know is going bankrupt, very vus returning it all to the states and taking a chance. both of them are radical.
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do we go with the radical plan that i know is going to bankrupt america, or do we go with a radical plan that may not bankrupt -- how could bernie sanders, how could amy klobuchar do this? it's not just the democrats they're letting down. it's millions of people that would be hurt by the passage of the republican bill. >> the reality is medicare for all as a concept is way more popular with people in principle and it polls much better than what the republicans are suggesting. however, if you're bernie sanders right now and you see lindsey graham giving that speech he just gave, he's baiting bernie sanders -- >> and he took the bait. >> any halfway sane politician who sees the principle sponsor of the bill the republicans are trying to pass baiting him, you know what, that guy is trying to bait me probably for a reason. the whole point here is keep the focus on how bad this republican bill is. we can have a debate later, if
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you're bernie sanders about the virtues of medicare for all and virtues of single payer, you might win that debate. >> how about next saturday? it's not like he's got to wait until 2019. >> all you've got to do for this week is keep focused on how horrible this republican bill is and how many people across the spectrum of every stakeholder in the health care system is against it. just keep talking about that. that's all you've got to do. don't take the bait. >> the democrats have been touting that even the insurance companies are against graham-cassidy. if you read through what they're worried about it, part of it is that people who have insurance now will lose it. they're also worried about single payer. that they say in blue states you'll end up with a single payer system that states can't afford, scarcity, people won't have coverage. no you ear going to put that back in the debate and allow meme to go after single payer. we want to turn to the devastation in puerto rico. we have a live report from san
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juan, first bill karins is here with the track. >> the pictures out of puerto rico are breathtaking. it's not just one concentrated area. it's the entire island. we're barely getting the communications out from some areas outside of san juan. this is video 20 miles to the west of san juan from abigail delgado. this is one of the rivers from the water released at the dam. it went three feet through the center of town. you can see it going right through her living room. this was repeated at the peak of the storm on wednesday, in many areas. that's going to be probably the biggest cost of financial heart a ache and also of lives and injuries, too. we're still trying to find out just how bad it was outside the big cities. you can imagine from pictures like this, the toll that it took. this water rose in a hurry in many areas. the storm is still plaguing puerto rico. we have a flood watch for much of the area. a little flood warning.
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one gauge has recorded almost 40 inches of rain in the mountains. there's just been water everywhere. that's been causing a lot of the roads to get washed out. remember the rescue crews need to get out into the countryside and help people and get to the people that need medical attention. they have to get through the trees and get through the roads and bridges washed out because of this record flooding. that's not a quick, easy repair. it's heart ache out there. i know the national guard is out there doing rescues. i know the military is going in and out of the airport. they're hoping to get commercial flights in and out of san juan international airport. turks and caicos is getting hit the hardest. they were smacked by irma with category 5-type winds. now they're on the west side of the eye for the last six hours. turks and caicos, 100 to 120-mile-per-hour winds. the storm surge was up to nine to 12 feet on the turks and
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caic caicos. if you've ever been there and seen the beautiful resorts, imagine what they'll look like after two major lits. here is the wind field. in the red is the hurricane-force winds. once it leaves the turks and caicos, finally it's going to be away from land for at least the next five days. outer banks, still watching a few, same for bermuda. as of now, it looks like all clear on the east coast and to our friends in bermuda. now to mexico, and the search and rescue operations continue following the deadly earthquake there. joining us outside a collapsed factory in mexico city is correspondent steve patterson. steve, you've been giving us great reports overnight. what do we have this morning? >> reporter: i have to report the death toll has risen once again, now nearly to 300 people in this country killed by that 7.1 magnitude earthquake. i want to show you what's happening behind me. this is what used to be a textile factory. overnight, this has been going
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on for hours and hours and hours. you're looking at it. you see the workers with sledge hammers trying to get in there on scene doing anything they can to get closer to build and break down some of the rubble so they q take it away to see if there are any survivors. we just experienced something i want to tell you about. if you can imagine this, this entire scene just a few minutes ago was dark. the generates were cut, the lights were cut, nobody was talking, everybody was silent standing still. that's because they thought they heard something to identify the possibility of another survivor. that lasted for about a half hour. that is the scene last night as well before they pulled two survivors out of the rubble. we were there as they were loading them into an ambulance. there was brief cheers and applause for that. it was a source of relief for these workers who have been working around the clock for hours and hours and hours, and for them to finally find somebody is a source of relief. they have much more work to do. 72 hours, that is the cutoff
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where officials say your chances of sur slooifl evival exponenti if you're not found. it's now more than ever a race against time. >> everyone hoping for another miracle, just even one more. thank you for your reports from mexico city. joe and mika, we'll continue to cover these two tragic stories, the one developing in puerto rico and hopefully another rescue in mexico city. >> bill karins, thank you. up next, president trump is hitting back at north korea's leader after the regime threatens the largest test ever of a hydrogen bomb over the pacific. you're watching "morning joe" on this chirpy friday morning. we'll be right back.
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calling him rocket man in his official remarks before the u.n. general assembly. in a lengthy statement to korean central news agency kim describes trump as a frightened dog and said this. i'm now thinking hard about what response he could have expected when he allowed such eccentric words to trip off his tongue. whatever trump might have expected, he will face results beyond his expectation. i will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged u.s.dotard with fire. a dotard is defined as a weak of senile old person. president trump responded. >> like ping-pong. >> with nuclear weapons. >> kim jong-un who is oil a madman who doesn't mind starving and torturing his people will be tested like never before.
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>> mika said before so-called leaders. >> a sad time. >> if i can put a caveat on that. so-called leaders with a lot of nuclear weapons. >> that's the worrying bit about all this. we expect this from north korea. sometimes north korea reminds me of my young children when they're desperate for your attention and they'll do and say anything including launching missiles or sending outrageous comments. it's that you don't really expect the leader of the united states to engage every time kim jong-un calls him a dotard. you expect him to take the high ground. >> giving him exactly what he wants. >> and giving him more and more of an excuse to try to do something. >> and provoke in donald trump this morning, the president has done it again. and now he's going to respond. >> this was the concern during the presidential campaign.
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we're not talking about little marco or low energy jeb anymore when donald would insult on twitter. what happens if he wins and he's president of the united states and the stakes are higher and he's calling somebody a bad name, provoking and antagonizing somebody who is developing a nuclear weapons program. here we are. we have the insult comic on twitter going back and forth with a man who has nuclear weapons. >> refer to him now as the u.s. dotard. >> there is a kind of push at the moment where you had the americans announcing more sanctions, yesterday the eu announcing more sanctions as well. there's a push to see if we can have one last-ditch effort on sanctions. then you have this weird sound track ratcheting up the tension. if we have a war with north korea, it could weld end up as a mistake, it could be something like this that precipitates a miscalculation. you don't e need it. >> two men behaving
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extraordinarily immaturely. harold, when you're running the most powerful country on the planet, you don't have to respond to insults. i think we've all learned this in public life, some pretty crazy things can be out there. you let it go because you know just responding elevates somebody that is just yapping to try to get your attention. we all know that. the president, he can't let anything pass. it's a political campaign, that's fine. if you're letting yourself get easily played by this little doughb doughboy. >> you would reveal you were pathetic and needy if you respond to something like that. >> or weak and insecure. why would you do that? again, you're just upping the
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stakes. now un is going to respond. when that i do fire mice sills in response to the latest insulted. >> amplifies what willie articulated. you wonder where are the jim bakers. >> you've got john kelly. >> he's got working. >> you've got to stop this. this is not playful nts. this is two people playing, to joe's point, with nuclear weapons. a leader in the other part of the world who feels comfortable calling the leader of the free world -- >> dotard. >> he's got to stop. >> still ahead on "morning joe," is this facebook's frankenstein moment? in the quest for global dominance, has the country created something it can't fully control. now congress and special counsel robert mueller want answers.
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>> it's moving. it's alive. it's alive. it's alive. it's moving. it's alive. it's alive. it's alive! it's alive! >> we're taking this a step too far. >> i think we are. >> he's invested in the metaphor. >> a new piece in "the new york times." >> alex says, if you read "the new york times" -- if "the new york times" told you to jump off a bridge, alex -- >> i think alex is done with you this week. >> did you see he just went to black. don't go to black. boom, goes to black. >> he's so done with you. >> anyway, the piece suggests facebook is having a frankenstein moment, get it, taking on a life of its own
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beyond the control of its creators. they'll hand over to congress and special counsel robert mueller 3,000 ads purchased by russian operatives to interfere in america's election. mike zuckerberg says he's making political advertisements more transparent, allowing users to visit each ad in addition to disclosing who else sees it. >> we're actively working with the u.s. government on its on going investigations into russian interference. we've been investigating this for many months now. for a while we found no evidence of fake accounts linked to russia running ads. when we recently uncovered this activity, we provided that information to the special counsel. we also briefed congress. i wish i could tell you we're going to be able to stop all interference, but that just wouldn't be realistic. there will always be bad actors in the world and we can't prevent all governments from all
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interference, but we can make it harder, much harder. that's what we're going to focus on doing. >> like many other stories, the president is weighing in, tweeting the russia hoax kids its ads on facebook. what about the totally biased and dishonest media coverage in favor of crooked hilly. >> with us former undersecretary of state -- >> he never said he was going to handle the phone. nobody said he was going to handle -- >> somebody needs to take your phone away from the person with the slippery fingers. >> let's bring in rick stengel and also former fbi special agent clint watts. clint, you follow this stuff. a lot of russian bots actually going in, controlling debates on twitter. a lot of control on facebook and
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a lot of concerns that there may have been linkage between some russian-influenced operatives and the trump campaign. what do you see when you're out there? >> i think the big thing we're going to find out from facebook is we can tie this back to the russians because they bought ads. it's the financial payments that will link this back. there's two parts. twitter is the other part. you need both. >> is twitter cooperating? >> it sounds like they are. they're up in the next week to two weeks in terms of disclosures. to do a successful operation, you neat twitter to propagate and facebook to saturate the message. what these adds allow you to do is what we call placement in the influence business. you can do a placement in the audience. then the audience can take your message on and disperse it. one was solely generated, bernie sanders got a raw deal. that came if hacked materials.
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ad placements about i'm great lakes, promotion of certain rallies. >> specifically who are these people. we use terms russians . who are these bots. >> there's an entity called the internet research entity. it came out on the sanctions list. they have what they call a troll farm. they're called the trolls from old gino. they're in a building and their goal all day is to sit and make false personas to promote either kremlin inside or outside of russia, and then to actually go and engage people on a one to one basis. >> directed by the kremlin? >> yes. the belief is they're directed through part of the presidential administration, the staff goes to these cutouts and thatdeniab. to make it look effective they put people in eastern europe and
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they see the counts -- create false accounts that look like americans and europeans. >> i'm glad mark zuckerberg is being more transparent about these ads it's too bad it came to this. i think full transparency would have helped undermine this problem. >> it's interesting, rick, so interesting that in the past your job was about placing books and libraries in cairo. here is a biography of henry kissinger, here is a biography of james madison. now it has moved so quickly into this sort of dark internet sphere. >> absolutely. under me, i didn't know this when i took the job. the center for strategic counterterrorism investigations which did real combating of isis. clint, by the way, is my idol in
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this. he was there before anybody. but we were there before clint on the counterrussian stuff on the annex sags of crimea. the ukraine task force became the russian information group. we saw that. the russians were doing in eastern europe and in the baltics 20 years ago what they started doing here during the u.s. election. people in government did start seeing this. the problem was there's never been a good way to combat it. you know this, joe. in government when you're against something, you put the word counter in front of it and you think you have something to do against it. we didn't do a very good job. this kind of transparency that facebook is doing now would be a great thing. and we worked with them very closely in the counter isil stuff and they brought a lot to bear there. they've been in a little denial about what happened in the u.s. elections phase, and this protection of their ads is a bad idea.
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complete transparency on political ads online has to be the future. >> clint, presumably everyone assumes they're going to get more sophisticated. if facebook clamps down now and does clamp down on the ads, then whoever is doing the hacking, the russian government, will find another way to get their social media message out. foreseeable elections in the future are just going to be questionable because of russian influence and there's nothing we can do about that? or is there some way we can shut this down? >> the one thing we can do which is nutrition labels for information, the same as you have around food. you need consumer reports to relate media outlets and their content. what we've seen in the election run-ups, brexit, france and germany and the u.s. fake news outlets would pop up quickly and they would start pushing ads. if you had a rating system that was true versus false, reporting
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versus opinion and it actual li showed up there, then the consumer can decide, do i want to click on this information. right now if you're in the social media space you have no idea really what you're accessing. we have opened it up to everyone. >> have you talked about hamilton 68 on this program? >> we've sort of alluded to it. >> it's an incredible thing. a realtime dashboard of russian influence on social media, done with the german martial fund. if we had done that during the electi election, people would have been able to monitor it. >> clint, you came in and say, boy, you and mika have been targets of a lot of russian bots. >> we had a monitoring list the green room, talking about it, the two of you -- there was a story out trending super high in the russian networks that we monitor. what we do is we create key monitoring list. >> i bet i know which one it is.
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it was a totally phony story that came out after the mass stay tweets to have some moral relativity there. anyway, go ahead. you can tell who the bots are attacking. >> we watched. we studied it for three straight years basically, identifying accounts that were always taking this pro-russian stance. we came to it through the syria context. if you put those into a monitoring list, you can see the key terms coming up. this week morgan free man has been taking a bashing, he's part of the documentary talking about russian influence. you can go to rt and sputnik news and see stories about it. for us when we first launched the dashboard that says this hamilton 68 thing is a joke. ambassador kislyak didn't like it. guess what was the number one trending story on our dashboard? the story about how our dashboard doesn't make sense. the one thing americans should
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learn, while hacking can't be proved and we heard that from the president. he's always making assertions, influence can't be hidden. someone has to create the message and that's why we're seeing these facebook ads pop up now. >> wow, that was a loaded conversation. up next, big breaking news from the business world this morning concerning uber's future. "morning joe" is back in a moment.
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♪ we talked about this before, and katty was skeptical. the city of london is dealing a blow to uber. let's bring in cnbc's dominic chu for the story. >> this is a big deal. one of the biggest cities in the world. uber takes that big blow because
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that global reach has taken a hit after regulators in london opted not to renew its license to do business in the city. so as a result, uber is no longer going to be available to legally operate in the uk's biggest city at the end of this month. that move affects over 40,000 drivers currently under that uber flag as well as, of course, the millions of customers who use it. uber says it is immediately appealing the decision. that's going to be a big deal. it's one of the flagship locations for uber, one to watch for sure. >> let me ask katty about that. what's up there? >> i think it's partly to do with the power of the taxis. obviously when uber sets up, the taxi cabs don't like it. what seems to be, the wording of the regulation is they're not a fit company to do business. >> proper and fit. >> i don't know exactly know what that means. is there security issues? has uber been as tough as it should be when there have been incidents when drivers haven't
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been safe or passengers have felt unsafe and they feel uber hasn't responded to that? this is ten days away, the end of this month. if uber is going to appeal this, they need to get that in fast. >> dom, what else are you looking at? >> sticking with the car theme. good jobs related news. daimler saying it's going to invest a billion bucks in its existing mercedes plant near tuscaloosa, alabama. >> roll tide. >> exactly. in the process they'll create about 600 more jobs. the plan is to expand current facilities so it can make electric vehicles there starting in 2020. also trying to get capacity to make batteries for zero emission cars and opening a global logistics center. also on the consumer tech side of things, today is the first day apple's new iphone 8 and 8 plus models will be shipping and available for sale in stores. it's the cheapest version of the slate of new phones starting at
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$699. a lot of folks out there, guys, going to try to wait out for the iphone x. that starts pre orders on october 27 and goes on sale november 3rd. i want to say one more thing. this is the first time i've seen you all week, i wanted to wish you and the entire team there a happy ten-year anniversary. i know it's very belated. i wanted to say it because i haven't seen you guys in a while. >> very nice, thank you. >> dominic chu. >> don't you think there's some correspondence -- >> i don't think anything appropriate is going to come out. >> -- between the iphone x and "morning joe's" tenth anniversary. >> marketing campaigns. >> two great inventions in the same year, "morning joe" and the iphone. >> it is unbelievable. >> tuscaloosa plant, people talk about trade and shutting down borders. i've seen over the past decade tuscaloosa transformed. they have one of the most successful plants, one of the most cost efficient plants, one of the most productive plants in
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♪ you've got to give a little take a little ♪ ♪ and let your poor heartbreak a little ♪ ♪ that's the story of ♪ that's the glory of love >> strange bed fellows can make for memorable nights. music met activism at the forbes centennial celebration where billionaire warren buffett and legendary stevie wonder joined together. it's a charity partner for the event and this saturday is the global citizen festival from central park and you take it from here. >> i recently sat down with
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songwriter and activist john mellencamp who is one of the founders of farm aid. all these years later, his mission is still the same. his message is also much the same as well. ♪ in the streets and the gutters in the fields of this last ♪ ♪ we're just easy targets with pistols in our hand ♪ >> let's start with "easy target." what inspired you specifically? >> i've been writing about race relationships in this country since the beginning of my career. originally when i wrote the song called "jack and diane," jack was black in the song. it ended up that i changed it in the end. i grew up singing in a soul band with half the guys white and
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half the guys african-american. this was in the '60s. it taught me very early, wow, black people really do have a different life here in america than i do. ♪ so black lives matter ♪ who are we trying to kid ♪ they're just easy targets ♪ never mattered never did >> what inspired you to get involved and help launch farm aid. >> farm aid like anything else was a total -- my introduction to willy was a total accident. a friend of mine was playing golf with willy. he said, have you heard mellencamp's new record. and he said no. he said it's about the small american farmer, and there's a bunch of songs about that. within five minutes,ing i got a
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call saying it's farm aid. then a day later i got a call from neil young. >> are you surprised it's still going strong? >> no. i hate it's still going strong. we were so naive at the time, j joe, we thought -- >> how does somebody get involved. how do they become a global citizen. how do they help out? >> just as simple as the food that you buy. >> we're in a paradigm right now of total change for people like me and sadly people like you. there will be a time not too long from now where you're not needed and i'm not needed. >> i'm told every day i'm not needed. >> i'm sorry. i heard that. i've heard that. >> fake news, baby, fake news. a lot of your fans are people who in 2008 voted for barack
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obama and even turned indiana blue. in 2016 they voted for donald trump. >> uh-huh. >> does it concern you -- how did that happen? >> well, for one thing, i trust no politicians, none, democrat, republican, independent. they all have an agenda. we don't know what the agenda is. well, the agenda is to get re-elected. >> you've gotten more concerned over the past six, eight months by what you've seen? >> no. >> so this is not as much of a shock to you as it is to other people? >> oh, it's a shock. it's a shock, but i've been shocked before. i used to think that -- i thought, wow, bush is the worst president ever.
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oops, spoke too soon. spoke too soon. >> so are you going to stay involved politically? do you still feel like it's worth the fight? have you given up? >> no. you never give up. ♪ easy targets ♪ ♪ this country's broken heart ♪ our country's broken heart >> john heilemann, you're talking about some of a tom waite. >> turning in to tom waite. cigarettes and liquor deepened the voice. sounds great. >> very strong and stripped down and raw. his voice has become an incredible instrument. >> not a bad way to end your
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career, turning into tom waite. >> i think he's probably got -- >> he's in the latter phase of his career. that's a good way to close. >> again, tomorrow msnbc celebrates all those who take action with the global citizen festival. watch the live telecast of the festival from new york city's central park for performances by stevie wonder, green day, the killers, theineers, chain smokers and more. >> is warren buffett going to be there? >> with the chain smokers. >> i like it. speaking of music, we want to mention the cd from joe's band is available. you can download and stream "free "freaks love freaks." download it on spotify.
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it's really good. >> thank you. >> time for final thoughts of the morning. i'm turning to rick stengel. >> help us. >> say something intelligent about the political climate. >> where are we right now? north korea, the country, trump. >> i think it's a very difficult place. i'm going to go small to this facebook, social media issue. there's an inflection point where people are realizing these platforms are utilities and utilities have to be regulated.d the radical openness and -- >> openness. >> i think it's relevant for journalism, too. >> clint? >> trust. i think whether it's facebook, politicians, heard it with john mellencamp, trust seems to be the dominant theme, whether you trust the media, trust politicians. do you trust the social media platforms you're on.
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somehow we've gotten more information and we're dumber in the end. >> here we are at the end of "morning joe's" tenth birthday anniversary week, comparing with the iphone, no question about which is the more innovative and important development. we see that this week. >> oh, lord. >> "morning joe" is ahead of the curve, ahead of the iphone. this week has driven that point home. >> what's he doing? >> transformed our world. >> the chickens have come home to roost with this president. >> they are roosting. >> we saw him tweeting stupid little things to cable news anchors and realized he could be played. now he's being played on the big stage by the leader of north korea. it's not funny. so the people who are in office who have any power to do anything to close in on this situation really ought to think about it now. i don't know what more evidence you need. >> i should say, also, by the way, it's not pronounced dotard.
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>> i want to correct the record. >> a couple things, yankees-red sox. >> go sox. >> playing this weekend, not against each other. the race is also. also, mika, very excited this weekend about getting home and seeing baby bumba, her chicken. >> that does it for us this morning on a very weird note. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> that never happens. thanks mika and joe. good morning, i'm stephanie ruhle. we'll start with north korea, threatening to tame president donald trump with fire and calling him deranged at his speech at the united nations. >> the united states has great strength and patience. if it's forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. a race against time. 72 hours after that deadly earthquake in mexico, rescuers work around the clock to find survivors.

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