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ballot papers. leaders are going to ignore orders to suspend the vote while a judge determines if it's legal. the photographer of this from reuters. love to hear your thoughts as always on facebook, twitter, snapchat, and instagram as i get ready to head over to the white house and off for the weekend. meantime, lots of coverage with ali velshi and stephanie rhule. >> where are you? >> are we doing the mannequin challenge? >> i thought you were here all week. i got here early into the studio just to hang out with you. >> came back last night. had business to attend to. >> unfortunately, he's stuck just getting me. good morning, everyone. i'm stephanie rhule. >> and i'm ali velshi. we've got a lot to get to this morning. let's get started. >> hope in the rubble of mexico city. earthquake survivors are still being found. >> this scene is just teeming.
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one of the most active sites in mexico city. they're using sledge hammers and cranes to pull as much wreckage out as possible. >> in puerto rico, a humanitarian disaster. the extent of the crisis is just being realized. >> puerto rico's infrastructure is decimated. communications systems are down and power is out to virtually the entire island. >> these are war zone conditions. no power, no running water, and food is starting to get low. >> this is new dramatic video of a rescue off the coast of puerto rico. the u.s. coast guard and the british royal navy plucking a woman and two children that were trapped on an overturned vessel. >> we still have a chance of more flash floodings and warnings. >> this morning, facebook is face i facing new scrutiny over the election. >> this morning i directed our team to provide the ads we found to congress. >> the president is tweeting about all of it this morning saying the russia hoax
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continues. now it's ads on facebook. >> let's begin with facebook, russia, and their influence on our election. >> on thursday facebook said it would hand over thousands of ads associated with fake accounts linked to russia. a short time ago, president trump responded to the news. guess where. on twitter. saying the russia hoax continues, now it's ads on facebook. what about the totally biased and dishonest media coverage in favor of crooked hillary? but former new york city mayor michael bloomberg voiced a very different reaction. >> it's an outrage. this is -- to come and to impact -- try to impact our government, it's as bad as if you attack the government with weapons, for god's sakes. this is killing democracy. >> there you go. and mark zuckerberg made this pledge in a video announcing his
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company's cooperation. >> we support congress in deciding how to best use this information to inform the public. and we expect the government to publish its findings when their investigation is complete. they will do their part not only to ensure the integrity of free and fair elections around the world. but also to give everyone a voice and be a force of good and democracy everywhere. >> we're going to break that down. but before we do that, let's turn to san juan where our tammy leitner has spent the morning on a rescue boat. she's now joined by the san juan mayor. >> reporter: yeah. hey. what i can tell you guys is that we climbed on a backhoe about 20 minutes ago with the mayor of san juan. let me bring her in here. you got a call that just troubled you so much, you came out yourself, put on the waders. tell me about that. >> i got a text saying if anyone can hear us in. in the past few days i've learned to hate that s.o.s.
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call. it's something i want to forget all this. but on the other hand it's a life-saving call. because anyone can hear. just let us know. and i got it personally. this is the second time. yesterday we got it from an orphanage. >> reporter: i want to give a lookout here of what we're seeing here. so there are about 50 rescuers on scene in rescue boats and on the backhoe and wading through the waters that are easily waist deep. and they're going from home to home asking if anybody needs help. i've already seen four people get rescued. most of them were elderly. some of them had medical conditions. and we've also seen a few people that didn't want to leave. a few people that said they're going to stay. they have enough food and water. to wait this out. and she's asking them if they're okay. they're saying they don't want to leave.
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she's asking if they need water. is there anybody sick. can we take you. can we help you. and so these people want help. so we're going to make our way over there. and try and get them out. not sure how many people are in the home, but -- and i don't -- i can't hear you, actually, so we will stay out here and let you know as soon as they get help. >> all right. we're having some trouble with tammy's shot. we'll get back to her. that was good timing because they're going to figure out what to do next. if they're going to undertake that rescue, we'll try to re-establish that connection with tammy leitner. the issue here is they were on a backhoe. i mean, we thought it was a boat because the streets are full of water and they're going in now to try and help those people. the mayor of san juan was one of those people who again in the consistency of message with the governor, with other officials
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in puerto rico are saying if you don't think you'll be able to make it, get out of your houses. a lot of people went to the structures that could withstand a hurricane. they were mostly schools and convention centers. they had about 500 of them. i think by the morning of the hurricane, we had 10,000 or 12,000 in those things. there's still some people whose homes survived. >> we need to remember -- and that's what i'm going through looking for other videos. san juan while we view it in our minds as a city, much of san juan is rural. and within the urban center, you may have had a lot of strong structures that were built to code. those houses on the outskirts. that's where tammy was taking us built of wood with tin roofs. i mean, we saw a water rescue the other day. the helicopters, it's reminiscent of harvey which was less than three weeks ago. we're seeing the same thing over and over again. i just can't get out of my mind it is going to be months before places like puerto rico and the virgin islands get power back. >> between harvey and maria, we
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had another hurricane and we're still watching the situation in mexico. >> and now we're going to talk about a different kind of power. >> this is about facebook. let's talk about this facebook/russia hack story and how big this problem actually is. let's take a look over here what we're talking about. the information that facebook has released in its update on the situation in case you haven't been following this, the company said it found 470 inauthentic accounts and pages linked to russia. roughly 3,000 ads were determined to be linked to those fake accounts. they span topics on many divisive issues including race, immigration, and gun rights. and the spending on those ads totaled about $100,000. which kept those ads alive and being served to the site's users. the kind of ad buy that -- that is the kind of ad buy that could reach up to 73 million americans or 28% of all u.s. adults. think. you know, one in four people that you know, at least one saw
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russian propaganda during the campaign. now, this review that facebook undertook found that these ads ran for nearly two years. starting in june of 2015 to may of 2017. so that sort of correlates with, you know, starting in before the election and going through just past it. it's worth noting that the social media network has about 240 million users. second only in size to the entire country of india, let's say. joining us now to understand all of this is jason kent. he's a ceo of digital content next. and buzz machine blogger and associate professor at cuny, jeff jarvis. good to see both of you. jeff, let's start with you. if somebody sitting at home is a facebook user but they're not involved in buying ads and understanding how this all works, what does this actually mean? we're talking about buying ads, but we're talking about promo
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promoting content on facebook. >> and standards. >> ads have opened up advertising to everybody including bad guys. it's easy to go on facebook or google and target people on that basis. i've argued for months that facebook and google should be much more transparent about the efforts to manipulate us and through them. and so we're seeing the beginnings of that now where they're going to be revealing the ads to congress and to the special prosecutor. and zuckerberg said he'll reveal them in the future to the public. >> what you're asking for is self-policing. i turn to you, jason. regulation has not kept pace with the advancement of social media technology. >> it hasn't. and i would just emphasis how we do know -- i echo jeff's thoughts there. it's been nine months since the election. it's been nearly 18 months since brexit where we saw similar issues. we still are just seeing
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facebook walk up to the starting line on this topic. there's more that needs to come out. >> rather than the details of how they're going to do it, the mechanics which we have to trust that facebook understands, because it's their responsibility. they built this universe. >> but it's not a matter of understanding. if someone wants to put a traditional ad on television, they've got fcc requirements that have -- they're going to have to comb through every comma, period, question mark just like in the financial industry you've got s.e.c. regulations. >> but also in direct mail and robocalls, you had dark advertising like this. the opportunity here is for the platforms to step up and be more transparent even than television. so far they've been dark on the web. >> so what is the -- what's the answer, jason? is this about changing the monetization of what happens on facebook? or is it -- i mean, i dare to say it. is this a censoring and regulating? >> that's an interesting question. on the modernization side,
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facebook likes to blame these issues on scale and complexity. you saw that in their statements the past couple days. facebook made over $10 billion in profit last year. >> say that one more time. >> $10 billion in profit last year. facebook and google collected nearly 100% of the growth in the digital advertising market last year. these are two companies that are loaded with some of the best engineering minds in the world. they love to pride themselves on moon shots and engineering feats and they're failing here. we need to see facebook step up in a bigger way, make this a priority. >> jeff, what do you think? it is a great point. and the fact that social media companies love to rest on the fact that it's complicated, they can work it out. >> in full disclosure, i run at cuny partly funded by facebook. they're trying to do the right thing. >> but jeff, hold on a second. sure. they're going to give some dollars to doing this because it's smart and there's integrity associated with it. but they're not capping off their ad sales.
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they were happy to receive ad dollars paid in rubles for unknown buyers. so no. >> if you look at google's old statement of don't do evil, i think there should be be good. and the platforms have to go beyond saying this is what the law allows and requires and this is the higher level. we want to be careful here of requiring or expecting technology companies to become the sensors of the world. that they should set the standards for everything we do. no. i think what has to happen is the platforms have to work more collaboratively with media at arm's length with government. and with others to try to set new standards about how they should behave in a civil society. >> that's really hard, jason. the media companies have often been on the wrong side of that debate for maybe good reasons. they claim it's a first amendment matter and they don't want regulation, organic regulation. when we have the net neutrality conversation, it's the same thing. organic regulation has worked
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fine. we built the internet without you. let's just bubble up and figure out how to deal with it. but in fact, once we have crossed this line and it looks like there may have been influence in the u.s. election paid for by an adversarial government, where do you start to look for the development of rules that make sense. that don't infringe on first amendment rights but do keep the democracy strong. >> certainly disclosure around political ads is a starting point here. you know, allowing -- oxford university has been one of the leaders in terms of research on this issue. they asked for more access to the black box, if you will. so allowing outside experts in to poke around before regulators is a start here. i represent nearly 80 trusted news entertainment companies. that's what we do. big, small, old, new. i'm just saying there's a lot more to be done here on facebook's part. we're just not satisfied with where they are. >> can i share what bloomberg
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had to say? he made it clear at his company he was going to spend any amount of money to protect the integrity of what they did. take a look. >> they have a responsibility and if they say, well, there's no ways to do it other than we'll have a human being read every message, i'm sorry, you're going to have to do that. >> and that's actually what he does. >> let's also note our responsibility in media. we played the chumps to the alt right and russia. every time we debunked the pizza gate story. every time we put out the leaked e-mails instead of the real story, we played the chump. so we have a responsibility as well. >> but jeff, when people say why are you showing press conferences or covering the president's tweets. whether or not you think he is a buffoon or not, he's the president of the united states and that's what we do. we cover him. >> but go back to the campaign. go back to after the fact the grabbing tape, what came out immediately? leaked e-mails. squirrel! we turned our attention right away to that which was put under
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our nose by the manipulators. by the russians and assange and company. we didn't make our own standards to say what's the real story here in terms of informing this electorate and trying to come up with a civil discourse in this democracy. >> but right now, jason, there are things appearing on facebook you can open up or people getting e-mails or websites publishing information under the first amendment which they say is their right to do. yet we're going to find out six months from now or a year from now in fact it was a bunch of russians paying for this stuff. how do we deal with that part of it? when you talk about political disclosure, that's fine in america where you have a super pac that has to fess up it's paying for something. but when it's russians and you don't know or it's coming from somewhere else in the world, how do you know? how do you regulate that? >> i don't know they need to regulate. you need facebook to do things that work against their business model at times.
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so making the brands more evident on the news feed. the brand has always been a proxy for trust in u.s. media. so you know whether or not you can trust it. >> wish they are going to try to do. they did studies to show having the brand does help users see the trust and reliability of what's important. >>. >> they're crawling up to the starting line. based on pressure. >> just before we go, i want to go back to that for one moment. the access hollywood tape comes out, we get distracted and go to the leaked e-mails. is there an argument to be made that one could say well, the access hollywood tape wasn't news. the access hollywood tape wasn't going to affect our democracy or the way people were voting. >> what's our core job? about the policies and the character and the history and
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experience of these. that tape mattered. >> but could someone make the opposite argument that the e-mails mattered? i'm not saying that's my view. >> not in their substance. there could be something going to be leaked out. >> i don't know. the risotto recipes, i'm interested. >> we've got to wrap the discussion, but to the tweet the president put out this morning -- i do like risotto. the tweet the president put out says the russia hoax continues. now ads on facebook. it's important as an american citizen to the president of the united states, don't ignore this. this is an attack on our democratic institutions. this is not partisan. this is serious, mr. president. you need to take this seriously. >> these kind of attacks are no different from guns. >> right. >> they're more sophisticated. i just wan't to say one more thing, mr. president. last week vladimir putin said whomever owns artificial intelligence is going to own the world. china's thinking about it.
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you should think about it. >> thanks to both of you for an important conversation. >> is risotto gluten free? >> it is. and we've got breaking news. we're going to take a live look at mexico city where we're seeing a dramatic scene at a collapsed glass factory. survivors were pulled out late last night and there's hope more could be found alive today. thousands are still unaccounts for. plus the house-to-house rescue mission in puerto rico. tammy leitner is there. you're watching "velshi & rhule" live on msnbc.
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it's now day four of searching for survivors of mexico's devastating earthquake and there is hope. cheers erupted outside a textile factory last night after rescuers pulled two people from the rubble. city officials say 60 people have been rescued since the 7.1 magnitude quake struck on tuesday. >> mexico's navy now says all students at that collapsed elementary school are accounted for. after people at the scene said yesterday there were at least three young children still trapped inside alive. crews are still working at the site, though, saying they are still picking up signs of life. time's running out though. thousands remain missing and officials say the number of dead now stands at 286.
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president enrique pena nae niet said they will continue. right now let's get to mariana with an update. >> reporter: still a very active scene. workers are pulling debris by hand. they're pulling this rope you see here. frantically pulling beams. we even saw them pull a car, what was left of this textile factory's parking lot. this was a three-story building that was completely flattened by the earthquake. and workers are standing on what's left of this factory. you mentioned hope and there's a lot of hope on the ground here especially because those two rescues happened here on this very site overnight. i just spoke to a first responder here. he told me that he's lost a lot of good people after this earthquake, but that hope is the last thing he will lose.
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there are people here that have been on site for three days. there's a medical unit set up here. psychological help for them and for some of the families that have come inquiring for their loved ones. i also just spoke to president enrique pena nieto's press person. he tells me there was another joer night rescue at another area eight miles from where i'm standing now. workers there last night singing. singing the national anthem as people were being pulled from the rubble. so as you can see here, just from the activity behind me, red cross people walking around, volunteers. there's probably around a thousand people here. and here they go again. pulling some of this debris towards me. it is not unsafe to be standing here, but they will not wait for you to get out of the way because they're frantically working. they know every single minute is of the essence here. that is the scene at this textile factory. you can see one of the cars from
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the parking lot i was talking about is being pull. ed from the scene by hand. this very minute, a frantic effort to see if there are still people left underneath that rubble. >> i can't even believe that's a car. >> it's unbelievable. i mean, they just got everybody there, they're pulling it. are they using chains or rope, mariana? what are they pulling it with? >> reporter: they're pulling it with a rope, pulling it by hand, ali. a car that is practically a pancake after the earthquake. we know that there was a parking lot at this textile factory. three stories. and most of what was there was completely flattened out. now they're trying to push this car by hand. as you can see, it's a very rudimentary effort here. there are no sort of big machineries except for a big crane. but everything is being done by hand which means that there are people getting hurt. there's even a unit where they're giving out tetanus shots to people because it's a very volatile situation. i'm going to move over here. >> mariana, that's
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extraordinary. the work they're putting forth. but in all honesty, as we're approaching 80 hours out, how confident are officials that they'll still be able to find people alive? >> reporter: we're going on day three and hope is diminishing, but again, when you have active rescues overnight, not only here but in other sites with that be just brings new energy and life to these rescue workers. and you're seeing it here. so it's a country, remember, that also 32 years ago went through a devastating earthquake in 1985. they were still able to save people more than three days after that earthquake, pull them from the rubble alive. so they have experience in this and they're hoping that even three days later, they can still pull people from the rubble. >> mariana, tell us about the site that -- go ahead. what do you have going on? >> reporter: no, no. i just got on top of a box for you, ali, to get out of the way
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of the people behind me. you were inquiring about the school. >> yes. tell me what the situation ended up being there? >> reporter: you guys were with me every step of the way. in the morning there was a lot of optimism. the name on everybody's lips was this girl freida sophia. every single newspaper was talking about her. we even showed stephanie the headline with a quote from this young girl saying she was hiding underneath a table. as the day went by, we started hearing less detail. we were hearing about possibly one to three people to three bodies. from rescue workers that were literally coming out of the scene. we couldn't get as close as we would have liked to to the scene, so we were going on what these rescue workers were telling us. but at the end of the day, marine corps general here in mexico sent a statement saying that there were no children remaining in the school. that there was possibly one adult left at the school. so there was just a lot of
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misinformation going around. >> why? >> reporter: i have the cover of this morning's newspaper here, stephanie, for you. it reads, the frustrating hoax of the girl freida sophia. so it's a story line that really the entire country was encapsulated with. it really encompassed the hope of mexico and this name that turned out to be not a real name because we found out hours later that all the freidas and sophias in the school were accounted for. so this newspaper really acknowledging that parts of the frustration of mexico here were encompassed in the story of this girl. the frustrating hoax of the girl freida sophisophia. >> but we knew 24 hours ago when we were talking even earlier than that that probably wasn't her name. but those people who were at that site working, they believe they heard somebody. they still seem to be believing that they're getting signals from inside. so the idea that they're going
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to rescue someone, that part's not a hoax, right? >> reporter: the idea that they were trying to rescue someone was not a hoax. i later spoke to a pio on site who told me that, he said listen i wouldn't be here if i didn't think there was any hope of rescuing someone. they could still detect one to three sort of blobs with heat sensors and technology that led them to believe there were signs of life there. but the hopes for signs of life in that school appear to have diminished. much of the focus now is on this textile factory and other places here in mexico city where there are still active rescues. they're asking us -- >> the arms are raised. we remind you, when the arms are raised, that is a signal, a sign that they sense something. that there may be a rescue ahead. they're hearing a sign of life.
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>> or they're trying to hear. maybe they removed and they feel like they might be able to hear so they ask everybody to be silent. >> it's an ongoing massively complicated situation. but we are grateful for the hundreds of people there on site and throughout mexico city who are leading and participating in these search and rescue efforts. >> mariana, thanks very much. we'll stay close to you. if anything develops, let us know. we'll come back to you. thankfully telling us about what is going on in mexico. because the eyes of the world are there hoping, just hoping now with all of these hours later that there will be more rescu rescues. >> not just there. eyes of the world are focused on hurricane maria which is now hiding towards turks and caicos. we're going to have that and more when we return. stick around. you're watching "velshi & rhule." (sigh) ( ♪ )
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been killed by the storm. the flooding is still so bad, people are having a hard time even evacuating. without power, people are lining up to get fuel for their generators. take a look at this dramatic video of the u.s. coast guard rescue yesterday off the island. the crew plucked a woman and two kids off a large boat that had overturned in choppy waters. >> joining us now by phone is the governor of puerto rico. governor, good to talk to you again. tell me what your evaluation is right now once you've been able to evaluate the damage, the situation, the power outages, and the water shortages. >> first of all, ali, my thoughts and prayers and the people of puerto rico's thoughts and prayers are with our brothers and sisters in mexico. we've seen the devastation over there. as best we can and as quickly as we can recover, we will be sure to help as well. over here, you know, the
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hurricane has been nothing short of a major disaster. we've anticipated that. we implemented the protocol so we would make sure people were safe recognizing that we were going to get massive flooding. that we were going to get surges and mudslides and of course severe damage to infrastructure. in the past couple of days, what we've been doing after the storm is rescue efforts, you know, certain towns. in one of the towns there was severe flooding. i personally with the national guard went to these towns to embark on rescue efforts. and we're happy to report that we've rescued over 2,000 people in these efforts. people that were stranded on the rooftops of their homes and that we were able to get to safe shelters. but there's still some rain and of course the soils are saturated. so it's still not safe to go outside. we're still on emergency protocol and our main objective right now is making sure people are safe, they have articles of need and we can push forward
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later on and rebuild. >> will it be safe to go outside in four to five days? right now people have fuel. they have food. what happens next? i spoke to a real estate developer who evacuated and said he isn't going to come back to san juan unless he brings security with him and armored car because he fears the anarchy that could ensue in the coming weeks. >> well, we've implemented a curfew. we've been very diligent with that. we are making sure that people are safe. that they're out of the streets right now as you stated, stephanie. but i can -- you know, i can assure you that we will have resources right -- >> from where? >> from fema. fema has established a path forward. we will present it with our strategy. we're going to get generators, mattress, food, water, about 7.6 million liters of water. we're getting a lot of shipments from the private sector as well. they're arriving today by plane.
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we've established centers so that everything can go to one place, will be distributed to 12 zones across the island. and then distributed further on to the different shelters and different places. we're making sure that people have access to them. but by the same token we have a boat coming in with some of the fuel that's necessary for puerto rico. then we can transport it as well. so we're on emergency protocol, but certainly we are asking for patience recognizing that we're executing and that the people of puerto rico are being tremendous under the current circumstances. >> thanks for your time. thank you for pointing out your thoughts for the people of mexico. i think we're all in this together and we're all going to have to look out for each other. governor, we'll stay in touch with you as the situation progresses. >> thank you. thank you so much and i just want to say one last thing. many people want to see how they can donate. my appreciation and thanks for
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those, you know, those thoughts and prayers. if you want to help puerto rico, you can call 202-800-3313. those phone numbers are -- i'm sorry. it's 202- 800-3133. >> and what organization is that? >> that is our federal organization. puerto rico federal affairs office in the united states. they will make sure they get to our joint center of operations here in puerto rico. we make sure whatever donations can come over here to puerto rico. >> all right. we'll get that made up on a full screen so our viewers can see. thanks very much. we'll stay in touch with you. stand by, everyone. we're monitoring two nuclear threats. north korea and now iran. both say they're ramping up capabilities. that's next.
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the announcement comes after president trump blasted iran at the united nations suggesting the u.s. is ready to ditch the iran nuclear deal. nbc's ali aruzzi is live with more. >> reporter: rouhani gave a defiant speech saying iran will strengthen its missile capabilities and won't seek permission from any country to do so. unveiled a new ballistic missile which they say has a range of 1,200 miles. that means it could hit almost anywhere in the middle east. they say it's capable of carrying multiple warheads. it's important to point out that iran has a massive arsenal of missiles they display from time to time. last year the revolutionary guard showed footage of underground bunkers packed with rows of missiles they say are ready to be used for defensive purposes at a moment's notice. also as you guys well know,
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president trump has accused iran of playing a destabilizing role in the situation. but saying that tehran is playing a key role on peace and stability in the region and will always defend the downtrodden people of yemen, syria, and palestinian whether you like it or not. again, a reference to president trump's krit scriticism. saying the zionist regime in the u.s., that is how the iranians refer to israel. have isolated themselves by expressing opposition to the nuclear agreement. now, this is all worrying. all of these statements from both sides are sure to reopen wounds that have barely healed in a relationship that once again has no direct channel. which again obviously increases the risk of a miscalculation. zb. >> these aren't the kind of miscalculations we want. and kim jong-un also escalating
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this morning. kim jong-un has personally responded to trump for the first time since his u.n. speech this week in which trump threatened to totally destroy north korea if the u.s. were forced to defend itself. in an official statement, kim called trump a frightened dog who will, quote, pay dearly for threatening to destroy the regime. and now north korean's foreign minister says a new nuclear test may be in the works telling reporters it could be the most powerful detonation of an h-bomb in the pacific. >> the president fired back against the new threats this morning. tweeting in part -- i just want you to get your head around this. this is where this thing has escalated to and we're still doing this on twitter. kim jong-un who is obviously a mad man will be tested like never before. all this comes as trump imposed economic sanctions on north korea yesterday. signing an executive order that penalizes any company doing business with pyongyang. now, that's where it gets interesting.
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gordon chang is joining us now from the daily beast and author of "nuclear showdown: north korea takes on the world." two separate issues. this tweeting of threats of war is nonsensical and needs to stop, i think. >> certainly. what we have right now is president trump had a very good day yesterday with these sanctions. an important message. got the chinese, for instance, to order the banks not to do business with north korea. this is a critical story. and yet we don't talk about it as much because -- >> because there's a tweet. >> because of this tweet and each kim and trump accusing the other of being insane. >> okay then. then the trump administration or trump supporters would say ignore the tweet. don't listen to what he says. watch what he does nap would be the argument to focus on the sanctions. but how much risk is it putting the american people and our military at with the president going on, you know, you're a mad man, no you're a mad man, you're a crazy pants.
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>> one could argue that, for instance, trump's u.n. speech on tuesday was to intimidate the chinese and north koreans. fine. but you didn't have to carry it on today. >> why are people still intimidated by president trump seeing that he walks back from pretty much everything he says ever? >> yesterday sanctions were enough, i think, to actually get to kim. and we can see this because the north korean foreign minister was supposed to give his u.n. general assembly speech today. that has been indefinitely postponed which is an indication the north koreans right now don't know how to respond to a situation in flux. also because what the chinese have done with their central bank rules. and so kim right now is facing a situation he hasn't seen before. but instead of talking about this, we're talking about these threats. >> but he doesn't care. >> well, he doesn't care, but there are people who do. that's the regime elements around kim. when we talk about these sanctions -- >> so this is a few hundred families, right? >> few hundred families.
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and something called gift politics. if we can sort of prevent luxury items and money going into the kim regime, not only will they be start of nukes and missiles, but they won't be these gifts that really keep the loyalty of regime members to kim. this is critically important to us because we want, of course, to separate the regime from kim. we're not talking about this as much as you mentioned because of the twitter. >> it's remarkable. do you think the sanctions are meaningful? >> they're meaningful if they're actually enforced. china doesn't want to enforce their sanctions. >> so why do you think they're going to? >> well, because if trump puts the pressure on north korea and keeps it there and -- on china -- this is something because the treasury department right now doesn't have enough people to enforce the sanctions that were in place last week. >> by choice. >> it certainly doesn't have the people to put these sanctions into real effect. >> all right. gordon, good to see you. thanks as always. gordon chang a columnist from
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so swing by your local walgreens today. walgreens. at the corner of happy & healthy. welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. right here on msnbc, we're celebrating the global citizen festival that is celebrating the people taking on the world's biggest challenges. >> we want to highlight two groups currently partnering up to take on one of the biggest global challenges of the moment, hurricane recovery. working around the world to help the victims of harvey, irma and
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maria. let's bring in the hearts from all hands. let's start with this partnership you have right now and what you're doing to help with the relief efforts for the hurricanes. >> first of all, thank you, stephanie and ali, for keeping the story alive of those impacted by recent hurricanes and earthquakes. it means a lot, so thank you very much on our behalf. because of the recent hurricane harvey and maria and incredible devastation, we wanted to partner with somebody who was doing first response, and at the same time long-term recovery. we have experience with all hands volunteers rebuilding schools in nepal and in peru, and we love working with them, and we said we have to work together. this is the time to work together, so that's why we partner on hurricane harvey and as well hurricane irma and maria. and it's been an amazing partnership, and i could tell you a little bit more about the great work. >> you were just in st. thomas. >> i was in st. thomas a few days ago.
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it was an emergency evacuation for the coming maria. the destruction is nothing you can even put on tv. trees, power lines down. it's just beyond something you can imagine. >> talk us through the long-term recovery because we've talked about that in the past. in the short term, the first responders are there, the tv cameras are there. when we leave, what happens? >> we're second responders. we bring in saws to take the trees away, we pick up the rubble, we put tarps on the destruction. after the cameras go away, we're there for two years, sometimes longer. the work we do is a huge value to folks, especially the poor people, because it's up to a $25,000 value, free volunteer work. we raise money through hands.rohands.ro hands.org, our website, and in ten years we have about 40,000 volunteers. sign up, get your butts down there. we need your help. >> with all the disasters we're facing, this is the moment where people can say, i can really
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make a difference in the world, and frankly, for us in the news, the idea that there are opportunities to make a positive difference is great because we focus on a lot of negativity. tell us about happy hearts. how did you even get started with it? >> the story of happy hearts started after i was blessed to survive a 2004 tsunami, but i isn't start happy hearts because of the tsunami, i started happy hearts because i saw a need that when first responders leave, children are forgotten, families are forgotten. children are waiting four years for a new school, six years. six years is the whole primary school and you lose a generation. i see it after almost each natural disaster, children and families are waiting, and to me it breaks my heart over and over, and that's why it's so important to partner together, to be there from day one and for the long run. after hurricane harvey, they were there right away within four days. they had 3,500 volunteers
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signing up to help. because we work together, we were able to make a commitment to stay two years minimum. for those families who lost their homes and they lost hope, knowing somebody will be there one year later, two years later means so, so much, and we will be doing that as well after hurricane irma and marie a. there there is a big announcement we'll be making next week, happy hearts all hands, an amazing company who cares to create stability through rebuilding disaster residences and schools and key for the british virgin islands and others, but that's next week for that news. >> good deal. we really appreciate what you guys are doing, and i think that's really important. we're so focused on the now, the idea that people can look forward to the fact that there will be help for years to come, because they will really need
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it. thank you so much. you're the founders of happy hearts all hands. >> tomorrow will be the global citizen festival on msnbc. it will take place tomorrow and we'll see performances from receiveie wonder, green day, the killers, the lumineers. >> go to hands.org. 100% of your donation will go to help the hurricane victims. >> easy to remember. >> and 100% goes straight to the families. >> we have a few minutes. once we're finished, do you want to come up and see the the babad from my office? it's really nice.
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>> i want to come. >> he just upgraded with petra just like that. >> say goodbye. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. right now "andrea mitchell reports." and right now on "andrea mitchell reports," war of words. donald trump calling the leader of north korea a madman after kim jong-un calls president trump mentally deranged. this after the president gets china's help. finally tightening the screws on the rogue regime. >> the brutal regime does not respect its own citizens or the sovereignty of other nations. a new executive order will cut off sources of revenue that fund north korea's efforts to develop the deadliest weapons known to humankind. >> the social network, facebook

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