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follows us @mitchellreports. craig melvin is up. hi there. >> enjoy your weekend. craig melvin at msnbc headquarters in new york. desperate search. rescuers searching for survivors and loved ones in twin disasters that have left devastation and destruction in mexico and puerto rico. fear and frustration on the road to recovery from the earthquake and hurricane maria. we're live. also, war of words. first rocket man. now a frightened dog. as president trump and kim yo g jong-un trade words, north korea threatens to test a hydrogen bomb. now oklahoma has president trump who's broadcasting the establishment. the president heads to alabama. we'll get to that in a moment. we start with search and
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rescue from two major natural disasters in the americas. a fourth day of frantic searches for survivors of tuesday's earthquake in mexico are under way. but there are new fears this afternoon those still trapped alive in the rubble are running out of time. the death toll stands at nearly 290 but so many will be missing. at least 1,000 workers have been removing rubble in hopes of finding a miracle. in purt rekoeshgs the entire island is without power. floodwaters have left many roads impassable, towns, villages, literally cut off. it could be months from power and essential services are restored to puerto rico. the destruction there has made it nearly impossible to actually
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assess the scope of the disaster. many in the country have family here, family members say they are still not able to get in touch with family on the island. let's start with msnbc's mariana atencio who's at a textile factory. what are you seeing this afternoon? >> reporter: i want to pan over here to show you this. this is a beam rescue workers are removing by hand. we have seen images like this, people pulling beams and cars like this with their bare hands throughout the morning. the frantic attempt to continue to save lives four days into this national tragedy. i'm in front of this textile factory. it was a four-story building completely pancaked. behind me it's where these workers are standing behind me at this moment. we have seen rescue workers,
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military people, we hear from doctors on the ground, even family members still searching for their loved ones. that's why i want to bring in a doctor who works for the secretary of health. can you tell me some of the things you've seen here working on this site. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: i'm a doctor here. i was here since wednesday. 24 hours. i've been working out of the parking lot. what have you seen? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: i've seen bodies being pulled from here. they later took on an ambulance. we are assisting first
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responders. because everybody's very fatigued at this point. they've had contusions. it's not a safe working environment, as you can tell, craig. can you tell me about some of these families you told me that have come here searching for their missing loved ones? [ speaking foreign language ] on wednesday i was speaking to family members of people who died. they're very nervous. they come here with a lot of anxiety. they have psychologists on the ground here. treated 20 family members that have come here with anxiety, very nervous, looking for missing family members. doctor, i want to thank you for your time. i want to thank you for your tremendous work. [ speaking foreign language ] i'd like to thank all the countries that have helped in
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this effort. you've seen so much solidarity to the people of mexico. thank you so much. i'm going to let you get back to work. you're seeing workers hovering over this hole they've doug on the ground and they are pulling one of these beams with a crane. what we've seen here on the ground is that these beams are later lowered and then they have to be removed by hand, being pushed by roughly 1,000 people i think that are here. you can see there's two cranes in the background and then one big crane. i cannot stress enough how manual this work is, which is why you see so many people here. which is why you have a medical team on the ground. they're giving tetanus shots on the ground because there's a lot of debris, a lot of pipes. and it's just -- again, it's still a very dangerous, volatile situation. overnight here, craig, there were two rescues that our own
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nbc news crew was able to witness. that, as you can imagine, energized the group of people here on the ground. we have seen sort of that new life breathe into this textile factory. textile factory that is known as the seamstresses in the working class neighborhood of mexico city. it's a reminder as we continue to bring you these images, the fact this textile factory suffered so much in this devastating earthquake is a reminder of the 1985 earthquake when so many seamstresses as well perished. it's symbolic to the people of mexico and that's why they want to do everything they can to save lives on day four of this catastrophe in this country. >> marianna atencio on the ground for us there in mexico, city. we'll check in with you a little later. desperate searches for trapped survivors are being carried out all over mexico city and other
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areas hit hardest by the quake. nbc's ron mott is at a relief distribution center in the central part of the city. ron, what are you seeing there? >> reporter: it's a little different scene than marianna is experiencing. in is a frantic scene getting relief spl relief supplies. all the private donations coming in here are being sorted by need, by community. we've got toilet paper, clothing, tents on the other side. everything is getting organized and bagged up. as requests come in, there's a control center here putting all the needs together into one delivery and then they have runners who will take these out into the community. earlier we spoke with a woman who organized this. this is ad hoc put together tuesday afternoon. she said they don't trust the government will get it to the people in a timely fashion and, b, they don't think the government will get the supplies
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to people who need it, period. they've been set up for three days now. one thing we stumbled upon that we found interesting is this group over here working this tent, which is new beginnings, and it is essentially being run by some d.r.e.a.m.ers who have left the united states. a couple have been dough poepor. they're helping people new to mexican, who may have been native born mexican, moved to the united states as young people and otherwise come back to the state. that's an interesting story here. a lot of people here who are fairly new to mexico, who don't know around here, know america as homeland. but this is impressive. they've gone around the clock. people who have not slept in a day or two, trying to get all the supplies out into the communities. >> i know you've been on the ground there for a bit. give us a sense of what the mood is like there in mexico city. we've watched these images play
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out on our screens over the last few days. folks that you're talking to on the ground. what's the sense you're getting from them? >> reporter: obviously, sadness at the loss of life but sense of community here. we have seen that people come up to us all the time offering food and water, coffee, you name it, because this is the kind of support you need at a time like this when so many buildings across the country have been damaged, really quite remarkable. people are uplifted by one another's humanity, for lack of a better description. they are not surprised, this is
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what they say happens in mexico. this is a part of their dna, when a crisis like this hits, people drop what they are doing selfishly to help the greater good. i can tell you, that's been evident since we got here. >> ron mott in mexico city. thanks. i want to keep the pictures up and go back to mariana's location. this is a live look as we watch these workers hammering, as you can see there, you know, by hand there, trying to break through the rubble. we saw slabs of concrete being hoisted into the sky. we saw beams being hauled in. looks like we saw another one hauled out. i want to bring in a retired new york city fire department. he was a 9/11 first responder. he was also first responder in the aftermath of the oklahoma city bombing.
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>> the immediate medical concerns. >> you're getting to on average about 100 hours from the first event, 100 hours without fluid is where we're starting to get into a real danger zone here. humans can survive on average about three to four days without water. it's an average. sometimes could be longer under certain conditions. that's the real concern at this point. we talked about this yesterday. food not a concern at this point. it's really about fluids, oxygen and certainly if anyone trapped has sustained any potential life-threatening injuries that aren't being attended to, that would be a concern, obviously, at this point as well. >> what goes through the minds of first responders to a scene like what we're witnessing here in mexico? >> well, i can only go through what my mind.
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i can't do enough to get in there in time to be able to rescue these innocent civilians being trapped. also, you're assessing the dangers you're involved with at the same time. it's like a little tradeoff, as you can see, in some of the places there, they were shoring up the areas before they go in. there's a whole systematic procedure that goes in, but as a rescuer, you're basically hard wired to do anything you could to be able to bring these individuals home. >> folks trapped under this rubble, al, no food, no water, in the dark. when these searchers do make contact, how do they go about reassuring them? >> well, you know, i remember when i was trapped. not that i remember completely with my scenario, but you want to reassure them you're with them. you're not going to let them go. you'll be there all the time.
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if you do have communications with them, you want to ask, what's your need right now? could be water, like the doctor said, that's a big issue. do they have any other injuries? while you're doing that, you're assessing how the individual is -- basically you want to give them support. i'm with you. we're in this together. >> again, these are the scenes playing out in mexico city over the past few days. captain, since you brought it up, we should let our viewers know, in addition to being trapped in the rubble, you were also in a coma for several days. when you came out what goes through your mind when you survive something like that? >> in my situation -- as a first responder, my first thing was the civilians involved in 9/11. i was extremely sad. i needed to talk to somebody. i called my mom and told her to call michael.
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i needed someone to talk to. i was having recurring nightmares. >> dr. natalie, we have been hearing from survivors over the last few days. we had an is11-year-old boy on, roughly the same age as your son. what kind of issues do survivors go through? >> i'm certainly not an expert in this area, but post-traumatic stress is definitely a real thing, as you can imagine. the psychological and emotional stress. people who have sustained injuries can have chronic life-long pain from something like this. especially addition i know yesterday we were reporting on this. they were saying specifically they did have health care professionals on the ground, psychologists and therapists to deal with the victims as well as the families because they will need a lot of support.
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a lot of support. >> thank you. a big thanks to you as well. we'll talk to you later in the broadcast. let's turn to the disaster in puerto rico. rescues under way there in san juan. let's get the latest from nbc's tammy leitner. what are you seeing on the ground in puerto rico? >> craig, this entire rescue mission started with a single text message. an sos. it went to the mayor of san juan from this neighborhood behind me, the ocean park neighborhood. the mayor immediately mobilized about 200 rescue crews and came down here. they went out two hours ago. we were with them side by side. i can tell you the water is about chest-deep because we were there wading through. the mayor went house to house to house with a bull horn, asking if anybody needed help.
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and just that short amount of time we were there, they rescued about eight people. let's listen to what they told me while they were out there. how did you hear about all of these people over here that were trapped? >> i got an s.o.s. from somebody here that had my text, my number, and they texted. one of those messages i've received so often in the past, they say if anyone can hear us. >> reporter: wow. >> if anyone can hear us, please come. >> reporter: you just got the cavalry and came out? >> well, it wasn't as nice as that. i panted and raved and called everybody in. >> reporter: did your heart sink when you got that s.o.s.? >> i used to live ten blocks from here n front of the ocean. it's a phrase that i will learn to hate when this is over. if anyone can hear us. it's the most devastating words anyone can hear.
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>> reporter: those people told us they had been trapped in their homes for days. they had run out of food and were running out of water. >> tammy leitner there in puerto rico. thank you. the war of words continues between kim jong-un and president trump. now north korea threatening to test a hydrogen bomb in the pacific. what's next, as the tension mounts? check this out. >> welcome to howard. i'm honored to be here with you and i look forward to adult conversations about what is right and what is true. thank you. >> bit of a tense situation there. former fbi director james comey getting booed on the campus of howard university today. this was during his keynote address, kicking off the school year. as he took the stage there, folks began to stand up and chant, we shall not be moved. get out, james comey.
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president trump calling kim jong-un a mad man after he offered the high es form of retaliation to the president's speech. in the statement kim twice calls the president mentally deranged. he says i will surely and definitely tame the mentally de
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ranged u.s. dotard with fire. dotard meaning an older person, who's senile, by the way. he said we're consider with seriousness exercising of a corresponding highest level of hard-line countermeasure in history. no idea what that means but kelly o'donnell might. she's following the president in somerset, knowledge knowlednew . any idea what that means? >> reporter: we looked to north korea's foreign minister because he had an opportunity to talk to reporters after kim jong-un made that speech and that belligerent banter between the two leaders of the united states and north korea. the foreign minister says it is possible that kim jong-un would decide to taste a h-bomb, hydrogen bomb, over the pacific ocean to president trump's threat to destroy north korea if
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it does not change its behavior. we've seen the rhetoric escalating. we have seen the president try to get help from other world partners to a more uniformly take action against north korea, especially when it comes to business. one thing we saw today from president trump, you alluded to it, a tweet where he says kim jong-un of north korea who is obviously a mad man doesn't mind starving or killing his people will be tested like never before. that gives you an example of the intensity between these two leaders. >> kelly, thank you. steve clemons is an msnbc contributor. wesley clark is a retired four-star general, former supreme allied commander at nato. a big thanks to both of you for being with me this afternoon. general, let me start with you. is this the same old war of words or is it different this time? and how serious should we take the possibility of an h-bomb testing? >> first of all, if it were to be an h-bomb test, it's a very
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different thing. on the other hand, he's been pretty adept at letting other people give the specific threat and not carrying through. i don't think he's deranged or crazy. i think kim jong-un is very, very strategic and dleclever in this. we shouldn't be engaging in a war of words like this. it doesn't help us. it doesn't lead to anything. if it does lead to some kind of an h-bomb test, then all bets are off because this has been one of our concerns for years that atmospheric testing like this could wreak havoc on electronic systems around the world if it were done in certain ways. we don't want this to happen. >> this statement from kim jong-un was different from that it seemed a lot more personal than the statements in the past. one more line here where he goes after prt. a frightened dog barks louder.
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a frightened dog barks louder. what does it mean that this conflict now seems to be on such a personal level, steve? >> i think it's very dangerous. i agree with general clark and how he framed it. i wish they weren't doing this, but the truth is that these two leaders are engaged in a very belligerent, dangerous puffery with one another. donald trump with everything he tweets is laying out red lines. something he criticized barack obama for. but, you know, he's laying the role of p.t. barnum in the scariest show on earth. there has to be a show at some point unless japan, china, russia, others ride to the rescue and derail this collision course these two leaders are on. each are engaging and poking each other personally. that's not what great states do. there's nothing that would have stopped donald trump from trying to recruit china, trying to recruit russia, doing this in a more down-low way that might have yielded positive results.
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right now you've got a personal game going on. and it's very unlikely that kim, who is very likely to keep launching missiles over japan, will keep doing it. that's very dangerous. >> you have the secretary of state rex tillerson that maintains diplomacy is still a viable option. are we at a point now where essentially you have the president playing bad cop and the secretary of state playing good cop. is that where we are? >> i don't know where we are and i don't think anybody in the world does at this point. first of all, if there is diplomacy going on, it should be done in private so we don't know anything about it. secondly, this game of words here and name calling, it reminds me of what happened before we went to war in iraq in 2003. people want to vilify and demonize the opponent and by doing that, you dehumanize it and you make it as though conflict is not only going to happen but it's ineffortable and
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necessary. this is not a necessary war that's coming up here. this is not a necessary conflict. this doesn't have to happen. unless somebody wants to diffuse a crisis. one thing i learned working with richard holbrooke is, get the killing stopped and don't let it start again. if this goes into war, the consequences are unpredictable. why do this? the best way to stop that movement is to stop the name calling and personalizing of this. >> we'll leave it there. i wish we had more time. enjoy the weekend, gentlemen. >> thank you, craig. the battle down in bama. tonight president trump will put himself in the center of a heat senate battle within the republican party with him on one side and the overwhelming majority of his base on the other. we'll break down the numbers and the ripple effect this race is likely to have throughout the gop.
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in a new few hours president trump will be appearing in huntsville, alabama, on baffle of senator luther strange. as he calls him, big luther. he's facing a uphill fight against rory moore. it's a contest that for the first time has trump on one side and his base on the other. last night, though, the two candidates sparring in the final debate before tuesday's runoff. basically, it was a contest of who does daddy love more? >> the problem is, president trump's being cut off in his office. he's being redirected by people like mcconnell. >> to suggest that the president of the united states, the head of the free world, a man who is changing the world is being
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manipulated by mitch mcconnell is insulting to the president. it's absolutely insulting to the president. that's why he's chosen me. >> trump's citizens for trump is going to endorse me tonight, a national spokesman. they supported president trump. they know what president trump stands for. >> he's not being manipulated by anyone. as a matter of fact, many of the people supporting you are at the unemployment line at the white house. >> for more on the impact of the senate race, we bring in big steve, msnbc's national political correspondent. steve kornacki. big luther, as you point out, its appropriate because he's 6'9". >> he's a giant, a physical giant up on that stage. you mention, listen, this is an interesting position for donald trump to be. donald trump is trying to push strange across the finish line. the push back is coming from steve bannon and all of those who supported trump and his
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presidency. it's a battle of trump. can he convince enough of his base to come on board? let's be honest about this, this is an uphill fight for donald trump, trying to pull this off for strange. a couple things to keep in mind. this is the preliminary. a runoff next week. the preliminary vote, strange came in second. he starts out six points behind moore. the third candidate, mo brooks is eliminated but he eliminated roy moore. he's thrown his support behind moore, so here's the challenge for trump. roy moore already has a lot of the anti-establishment support. he has another anti-establishment candidate backing him. can trump come down there on behalf of the establishment candidate, the guy who mitch mcconnell wants, the guy who the disgraced former government appoint appointed, an establishment figure. can trump give that credibility to an establishment figure against an anti-establishment figure? keep this in mind. nationally, donald trump, we know he's been struggling, 38%
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(bell rings) for the third night in a row, jimmy kimmel slammed republican politicians pushing the gop health care bill that could replace obamacare. kimmel's son, as you might recall, recently underwent life-saving open heart surgery. >> to them, i say all of these organizations, american diabetes association, american cancer society, america heart association, the list goes on and on, all of these groups populated by doctors say this health care bill is bad. >> the spar, meanwhile, continues over contentions part thes of the bill, including pre-existing conditions, lifetime caps, what happens after 2026. kimmel said senator bill
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cassidy, who we just showed there, spearheading the bill, lied to him about protections for pre-existing conditions. cassidy for his part insists that the bill requires states to provide affordable care for preexisting conditions but at least one republican senator remains unconvinced. susan collins. susan collins of maine saying today in portland she's leaning against the bill. nbc's kasie hunt live in washington for us. she's tracking the movements of this bill. so, where are we now? >> reporter: well, craig, we're still in a state of uncertainty with republicans potentially having the votes to get this through, but with all the focus still on these key senators who had voted no on the last go round. now, there are some questions about whether or not maine would actually be better off under graham/cassidy than they are now, so perhaps that's putting pressure on collins. but it's been the widespread assumption that she will ultimately oppose this bill.
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she's said repeatedly she's waiting on a cbo score. we don't anticipate we'll get one in time for this vote. we're still looking at the other no votes. i should mention rand paul who came under fire from the president of the united states today who essentially said, hey, any republican that votes no is going to be the one that gets credited with saving obamacare. clearly not something republicans might want on their resume, so to speak. lisa murkowski is the critical fulcrum of how this is going to go. she's from alaska. alaska stands to be very much hurt by the provisions in gram/cassidy and there have been behind the scenes conversations about how to tweak the bill enough to get her to decide to come around. i think if she did, you wouldn't see others like rob portman breaking away. the last wild card, of course, is the maverick, john mccain, who voted against the last health care bill famously and
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who's very close with lindsey/graham. they're best friends in the senate. they talk all the time. mccain doesn't seem to be wanting to get out there criticizing graham. at the same time, he hasn't kicked open the door to potentially voting for this. instead, repeating when he's asked about it that he wants regular order. now, this bill is officially going through a regular order, but it's very unusual that you would have something like this pop up that controls a sixth of the economy. i think that's where mccain is coming from on this. >> earliest we might see a vote on this. >> it's likely we'll get a hearing on monday. they need to pass it by september 30th. i think you would see it go to the floor on tuesday, vote on wednesday. democrats might try to delay it but they don't have that many tools available to them. >> kasie hunt for us on the hill. enjoy the weekend. thank you. let's bring in "the washington post" columnist, also the author of amy book called "one nation after trump," e.j. deon, also a
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professor and msnbc contributor. we don't know when he sleeps. and matt bulch, editor-at-large for "reason" magazine. nice to have you. e.j., who should we be listening to when it comes to this bill? >> i think jimmy kimmel is a pretty good guide right now. here's the problem republicans have, i think, and if matt doesn't mind my referring to him, matt's a libertarian. if he doesn't like government spending a lot of money, and if republicans are up front and said we don't want to spend all this government money to provide people health care, that wouldn't be very popular, but it would be what their real position is. instead, they're in a situation where they have to pretend that the bill does things that it doesn't actually do. the states have the power to
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undercut the provisions in the bill. that's also in the bill. the one thing this has done, and we talk about this in our book, is this really has mobilized people to support the affordable care act in a way it was never supported before there was this fight. and i think that's one of the many ways in which the trump era is actually pulling a lot of people into political participation, which has created problems for some of these republican senators. >> matt, you're a states rights guy. is that fair? >> yeah. i take a more federalist approach on a wide range of issues. >> that would be fair. what's wrong with the idea of taking hundreds of billions of dollars over a decade or so and saying to the 50 states, you do with this money what you will. whatever's bes for your constituents in your state. >> it's actually -- the idea itself is not bad. this has been a republican, conservative, even libertarian
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kind of idea about a number of things. welfare in the 1990s, block granting to the states so states can act as laboratories of democracy. unfortunately as my colleague at "reason" has point out, this is not real federalism, what's in this bill. there are a lot of string ares attached and you still have is that big price tag associated with it as well. so, true block grants out the door, that would begin to make sense. rand paul is the biggest libertarian in the senate and he's the hardest no on that. what we're doing is essentially putting health care and health policy, making it dependent on whoever controls majority in congress this year. it's let's wash the money to lisa murkowski. that's not enough for the vote? let's wash a little money over to lisa murkowski to get the vote there. they're taking money from the red states to blue states. this is no way to run health policy in this country. part of the original is the original sin, which comes after
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world war ii when we tethered health insurance to employment, we screwed up this market. and the obamacare process was not brave enough to go after what all -- pretty much all health policy experts would point to as the original problem in health policy. >> both senators opposing the bill, and state and medicaid doctors asking for the cbo score. we just heard from kasie. we likely won't get cbo estimates on how much the new health care bill costs. this is what bernie sanders -- this is what was -- this is what lindsey graham said about bernie sanders' plan earlier this week, e.j. >> if you believe repealing and replacing obamacare is a good idea, this is your best and only chance to make it happen. because everything else has failed except this approach, which will work if we get behind it. if you want a single payer health health care system, this is your worst nightmare. bernie, this ends your dream of
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a single payer health care system for america. >> what debate should democrats be having? >> i think lindsey graham has it exactly backward that if the republicans kill obamacare, which is a very moderate approach to getting health care to people, it keeps haeshg markets intact, they're going to push democrats even more strongly in a single payer direction. secondly, right now, we should be debating obamacare and whether it should be repealed. and repealing this and just tossing it willie nilly to the states throws a huge burden on them all of a sudden because the bill doesn't give them enough money and it's going to create chaos in the insurance markets. that's what's up for debate this week. >> e.j., matt, wish we had more time. thank you, gentlemen. up next, new revelations about the condition of convicted murderer and former nfl star aaron hernandez's brain before he decide. what the devastating report
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aaron hernandez had stage 3 version of the degenerative brain disease known as cte. hernandez, you might remember, took his own life in april after he was sentenced to life in prison for murder. hernandez's attorney has filed a $20 million federal lawsuit against the nfl, according to "the washington post." the family blames the league for the suicide. the nfl says it will defend the case. i want to bring in our medical contributor. so we have a pretty good idea of what cte is, but stage 3, what exactly is stage 3, and can cte be blamed for murder or other violent behaviors? >> i knew you were going to ask me that. basically there's four stages. so stage 3 would be the next to most severe stage. we know it's degenerative brain condition that we believe is caused as a result of multiple collisions or traumatic brain injuries such as we see in concussions.
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people who are symptomatic with cte can display things like agitation, aggressive behavior, suicidality, memory loss, impulse control. having said that, it's important to note that even the hernandez lawsuit does not implicate the cte in the murder from a couple of years ago and i will definitely rely on both legal analysts and experts as well as experts in cte to comment or make a declaration on whether or not cte could be used as a defense against a crime like murder. that's not something that i think i can really comment on. >> really quickly before i let you get out of here, nbc news learned that there's a national retailer that will limit opioid prescriptions. pharmacy filling no more than seven days' supply for certain conditions. your thoughts? >> here's the distinction here, really important, is that this would be new prescriptions for -- they don't specify what conditions but we are assuming
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it's something like acute pain either post-op or injury or something like this. this does not have really much to do with the more global issue and bigger issue of the opioid epidemic and i think it's always important to remind or sort of to talk about this that we balance needing to do something about the abuse and misuse leading to addiction and overdose with the problem of chronic pain in this country, and you know, requiring better training and education for all providers for non-narcotic analgesic and to also understand there are a certain subset of chronic pain patients who will still roir opequire opioid for treatment. >> dr. natalie azar, thank you so much. we have breaking news at the bottom of the hour. arizona senator john mccain has just come out and given a statement and it reads in part quote, i cannot in good conscience vote for the graham/cassidy proposal.
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just a few minutes ago we were talking about the gop's latest effort to repeal and replace obamacare. there were a number of senators that were on the fence. among them, senator john mccain. senator mccain again right now coming out saying as it stands, he cannot vote for this bill. it should be noted here that one of the chief architects of the bill, south carolina senator lindsay graham, his best friend in the upper chamber. we will have lots more on this decision in just a few moments. top of the hour on msnbc.
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food as it should be. that will do it for this hour of "msnbc live." indicat katy tur picking things up in washington, d.c. it is 11:00 a.m. out west, 2:00 p.m. in washington. we are following senator john mccain breaking news, announcing moments ago that he is a no on the graham/cassidy health care bill. it puts him at odds with senator lindsay graham, who has often been one of his fiercest allies in the senate. nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt is getting m,ic'ed up. john mccain released a statement, saying i cannot in good conscience vote for the graham/cassidy proposal. i believe we could do better working together. republicans and de

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