>> and wouldn't tell theresa may what was decided. >> and pulled out, four deals. >> suggested pulling out of. american that makes commitments, usually has to survive administrations. that's a concern to me. we just can't walk away, and then, president trump wants to enter agreements. what's the next administration -- walk away from that deal? >> good questions one and all. my thanks to you both joins you for the hour. that does it for us. i'm nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> hi, nicolle. my best to you all. if it's friday, another republican health care bill hits the wall. tonight the maverick strikes again. senator john mccain says he will not vote for the graham/cassidy welfare plan. now what? >> the vote can comes early as
next week and it's not goings to be easy. >> and trump factor shakes up the alabama race. >> this race is not me against the president or the vice president. it's me against luther strange. >> the president is a man of principle who knows his mind and made it decision freely in picking me. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." not the first, not the most popular but the health care plan pushed by lindsey graham and bill cassidy is the last republican bill standing and dealt a staggering blow in the senate today. arizona's john mccain says he'd nos supporting the bill offered by his good friend lindsey graham because he says it's rushed legislative schedule goes against regular odrecorder of t
senate. something he can't endorse. he said this i cannot in good conscience vote for this. republicans and democrats have not yet really tried to work together. nor support how much it will cost are and how many people will be helped or hurt by it. as you know, three republican no votes would kill the bill and kentucky's rand paul a strong no on graham/cassidy for some time. and maine's susan collins, a republican with public concerns on the bill and at an event today said she was leaning against it. collins told affiliates in maine, she has "very serious reservations about the bill." we're working to get that statement to you shortly. and in a speech in indiana less than an hour ago urged republicans to
hold the party line on health care and uphold their promise on obamacare.
>> but president trump and i are undeterred. we cannot in good conscience abandon this cause. the american people are hurting. president trump has made clear inaction is not an option. let me be clear. a vote against graham/cassidy is a vote to save obamacare. the republican majority in congress in particular was not elected to save obamacare. they were elected to repeal and replace it, and it's time for every member of the republican majority
to keep their word to the american people. >> folks, just over a week left on the clock to pass a health care bill with a simple majority. so graham/cassidy is the last hope for the best chance to accomplish the republican mission of at least trying to repeal parts of obamacare. feels like a full cord heat at the buzzer, because it is. many republicans do not like the bill. summing it up best, senator
grassley. i could give you tin reasons why the bill shouldn't be considered but republicans campaigned on this so often that you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. basically, there's chuck grassley echoing mike pence a few minutes ago. for many republicans, the best thing this bill has going for it is that it is not obamacare and that is a popular refrain among supporters. >> the bottom line is, obamacare continues to fail the american people. >> the american people know that obamacare has failed. >> obamacare is a disaster. it's failing badly. look at what's happening with premiums, the rates, for people that can't afford obamacare. it's didn't a catastrophic situation. >> obamacare is a failure. people can't afford it. the market collapsing. >> i'm asking you -- >> 50 states managing that money more efficiently, more effectively, accountably than washington, d.c. >> one thing in the bill is a potential change to the obamacare regulations and
pre-existing conditions. the plan said states could request a waiver from the obamacare protections if, quoting from the bill, the state intends to maintain access to adequate and affordable health insurance coverage for individuals and adequate and affordable health insurance is in the eye of the beholder. more specifically, the state legislature. collins said of in a today in portland, i'm reading the fine print on graham/cassidy. premiums so high they would be unaffordable. remember, susan collins is technically not yet decided on her vote. joining me now, head of one of the many groups in the health care industry that has come out against grahamgraham/cassidy. the cleveland clinic. the president, mr. cosgrove, welcome back a. pleasure. nice to talk to you, chuck. >> so why is it that you can't support graham/cassidy? >> i'm really concerned about it for a couple reasons. first, the way it was brought to attention. introduced last week. it was still being changed this week. it's going to be voted on next
week. we don't have a time for it to have a cbo scoring of this. similarly, there is generally people that have not had an opportunity to voice their opinion about this. and i don't like the system of bringing this bill about. secondly, the bill is not good for the states. they will lose about $160 billion worth of funding over the next six years. it's not particularly good for hospitals, because right now 22% of the hospitals in the united states are running in the red and this will reduce the financing for people who don't have any insurance. and payments to those hospitals and threaten the hospital system, and more importantly, it's not good for patients and it's going to leave a tremendous number of patients with no insurance going forward. it doesn't look after pre-existing conditions and it doesn't guarantee a certain number of things that need to be looked at for patients so i am very concerned about the bill
and seldom do i speak out as strongly about something as i have about this. >> okay. so you have concerns about the bill. what concerns do you have about the law currently on the books? obamacare? >> the main problem we're missing right now is the exploding cost of health care, and what we need to do is begin to come together in a bipartisan way to begin to look at how we can make the care of patients who are sick more efficient and to keep people well, and so far none of the legislation addressed this. >> what are your cost drivers? give me the cleveland clinic here. what are your cost drivers that -- on the cost of health care here? >> first of all, we see costs going up for pharmaceuticals, up 10% a year. don't have interopper ability of medical records. 12,000 pages's regulation over the last two years. someone inspecting u.s all the time. not allowed by the federal trade commission to bring hospitals together in a system to derive
efficiency of a system and also issues about the condition of our patients. we're seeing -- still have 16% of the people in the united states smoking. still have more than one-third of the population in the united states who are obese, and that's accounting for 10% of the health care costs of united states and by the way, we continue to subsidize the growing sugar and finally we have an epidemic of opioids across the country which are going to account for 62,000 deaths this year. more than the number that died in the entire vietnam war. and we need to address all thee of throws if we're going to control the escalating costs of health care. >> we have, assuming this bill is dead. politically it looks like it is. you never know. but it looks like it is. f there's going to be probably a ramp up or a restart of the bipartisan negotiations to fix the system between lamar
alexander and patti murray. if they call you up, toby cosgrove, give me realistic fixes to start fixing some of these cost issues? >> if you look at obamacare, it's expanded coverage, improved quality if health care across the country. it fell in the escalating costs of health care. i'd like to see it begin to do, be addressed, in a bipartisan way, those cost drivers, and if we don't address them now we'll continue -- >> how do you do that? you said -- obviously -- look. this congress is not going to pass regulations on sugar and things like that. so let's set that aside, but what are some regulatory changes that could be made in the law that might help on the cost front? >> first of all, i think we have to look at the costs of pharmaceuticals. our pharmaceutical bill went up 19% last year and that's unsustainable at that rate. secondly, we have to look at the regulations that are coming at
us as a very fast rate and all of that kwofts additional money. we -- very easy to pass a law we had to have interopera ability amongst medical records to talk from one hospital to another efficiently. all of those things and a whole list more you could do administratively and legislatively to help enormously. >> on the insurance front. let me ask you this -- when you take a medicaid patient versus a privative insurance patient, what are the differences in access to care that they have? >> the access of care is we don't have a difference in action of care. what we have, what we get reimbursed. we get reimbursed 75%, about, looking after either a medicare patient or medicaid patient and right now 62% of patients in the cleveland clinic health system are federally funded patients, and so we lose money on all of
those. we make that up on what is in the private sector. but all hospitals are running in small margins and really if you stop and look at it, 3% net for a hospital is really a very good financial situation for the hospital industry. >> basically saying private insurance is subs deciding medicaid and medicare? >> absolutely no question about that. >> leave it there. president and ceo of the cleveland clinic, appreciate you coming on. >> nice to talk to you. and tonight's panel. politics of this. a national political reporter for bloomberg news and a columnist at the "washington post" and editor for the national beacon. and the i think you just came from the hill. we know where mccain sand where rand paul is, but i am curious if there's movement there. where's murkowski? >> murkowski is doing due diligence she calls it.
spoke with her several times think week and working with the governor of her state. bill walker has come out against this. working with cassidy the office to understand exactly how this affects as alaska. this is exactly how she sounded on the bill for skinny repeal. past one of the votes to kill it. keeping hur powder dry. not seeing where she is, but be very skeptical. >> is she open to the idea cassidy/graham might find a way to make it better for alaska and hawaii over and above the other 48 states? >> certainly says she would. >> she would be open to that? a better deal for alaska even if not good for the rest of the system? >> based on what she's said, she wants to know how it will affect her constituents first and foremost forming the basis of the decision she makes. hard for mere to see he getting to yes at this point but she's not closed that door. collins is the likeliest third vote. >> at this point, a murkowski
vote might not matter. mcconnell would pull the bill. >> mitch mcconnell already asked his members to take a painful vote for them, which lost. so he has a lot of people who are facing re-elections now, or in two, three years, who have already made votes that can be used against them. you voted to take it away from this many people in your state. these guys do not want to cast another vote unless they really have to. so i would think that the best vote for senator murkowski would be not to have to vote at all. >> where's this headed? >> well, it's heading, probably, to another lucy and charlie moment where the -- >> how do they -- is this good politics? for mitch mcconnell? >> the ball moved now with mccain or -- >> better now or later? >> mccain deflated the football. >> i was struck by the stock
prices of insurers went up on the news mcwacain was voting against the bill. instead of going against the industries and circuits co-opted them, brought them into the legislation. that's created so many different veto points. not just the governors or hospitals. it's not just the health insurers themselves that any republican repeal and replace plan has to overcome. >> this goes to -- let me tell you, though, this goes to the -- that was the lesson democrats learned after '94. went against industry. there are stakeholders. get everybody in the room. republicans never did this. i don't understand it. >> and durability of this law president obama learned from efforts of bill clinton, richard nixon and jimmy carter, you need the industry at the table and a tough compromise for insurers suffering years of bad p.r. shutting off sick people throwing off coverage.
decided to put the regulations on us. 30 million customers, less now. but the deal they made. so far republicans had a very hard time undoing this. >> by the way, i promised that susan collins sound. here it is. >> i obviously have very serious reservations about the bill. i do want to wait until i get the cbo analysis. what this really tells us is, if you're going to make fundamental changes in an entitlement program that has been law for more than 50 years, you are need to have extensive hearings. you need to hear from actuaries. you need to hear from health care providers. you need to hear from all of the stakeholders, and only then can you vet it enough to be assured of what the ramifications would be. >> okay. that's a no vote. and the reason i say that -- >> surprise.
>> in my estimation, is this, ruth, she was not talking about obamacare. she was talking about medicaid. she views this as a radical transformation of medicaid and won't want to do that. >> but you have 50 -- >> frame the argument. she framed it add a medicaid. sorry. >> 50 state medicaid directors, 5-0, came out against this measure. these are red states and blue states. you have states like west virginia where one-third of the population is on medicaid. that puts people to very difficult votes, but remarkable listening to senator collins. the republicans are making every mistake that they accused democrats are in passing obamacare. and then not learning from any of the democrats' achievements here. you know, ram it through. no, you know, party line vote. then not -- you can't do this without waiting for cbo scores, and you have to have at least some stakeholders involved. not like this was a huge political win for president
obama and democrats after passed but at least figured how to get something passed. >> important to remember we were blindsided in washington by graham/cassidy. >> yeah. >> we thought that the obamacare issue was dead after skinny repeal failed. however, all of a sudden, we get blindsided by this bill. that's because if this bill fails, it does not mean that the politics are repeal and replace obamacare have gone away. in fact, the senate -- >> yeah. >> in two years may look very different from the senate this year. >> that's what i'm wondering here. look, on a policy front we know what's next. policy front it's, lamar, alexander, murray, become the star of that show. what is the political fallout? will there be primary challenges? >> obamacare is never dead as long as republicans control. they want to do the next for tax reform. a theory combining something on health care in it. this is going to go on and the politics of this republicans remain as lethal as ever. i think any republican cast aring a vote against this is at
risk of a primary challenge. i don't think john mccain is worried about it now. susan collins not worried. and lisa murkowski won after losing a primary at a write-in candidate. >> the three waivering lawmakers, the three with the least amount of political -- >> why the others, shelley moore capito. >> and pretty -- enthusiastic members, i think, of the fix-it caucus. as much as there is fear about being the primary, a lot of people will take lessons of graham/cassidy and every other repeal and replace effort as could we just go back to doing this the regular way, guys and at least give it a serious try? >> how president trump reacts to all this will have some impact on politics. >> i'm sure he'll understand. >> tweets. fascinating today. a rally tonight for luther
strange. what does he say about it here? we'll pause. this sunday "meet the press" with the graham/cassidy bill. i'll talk with one of the two current republican no votes. senator rand paul and with the chief congressional liaison. ahead, president trump is putting a lot on the line in alabama. the state's republican runoff is about a lot more than what name will end up on the ballot.
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welcome back. right now president trump is en route to alabama to campaign for his pick in the alabama senator primary runoff. it's senator big luther strange. strange up against conservative favorite roy moore. former chief justice of alabama supreme court. tuesday's race for the nomination to succeed jeff sessions. the president hoping his influence will tip the scales. in fact this morning tweeted luther strange gained mightily since my endorsement but very close. he loves alabama and so do i. in last night's debate with no moderator or panel the president was at the center of it all. lincoln douglass style. >> the problem, president trump's being cut off in his office. he's being redirected by people like mcconnell who do not support his agenda. >> well, the president is a man of principle, knows his mind and makes decisions freely and he made a decision freely in picking me. to have his support and
endorsement, i hope it says something to the people of our state. >> joining me now, two reporters closely following this race. from the montgomery advertiser and from the "washington post." brian, start with you on the ground there. how close is moore/strange? i know a lot of republican establishment crowd here swears and convinced the president that strange is within striking distance. this is nots a done deal yet fo moore. what do you see? >> it's a great question. the surveys that have come out in alabama have had wildly different margins and it's not exactly certain, like, really where things stand in the race. it's very -- seems pretty clear from speaking with consultants, though, if chiastrange is going win harks to turn out the suburbs and city heavily.
i talked with consultants today and divided where the race stands. a lot think strange wasted a lot of the first part of the runoff and messages that didn't work against moore. right now we're not even sure in this state where things stand. >> michael, you spent a lot of time with roy moore. a fascinating profile of him. the best i've seen so far since this sort of 18th act of the broadmoor politician. what does he want from this? is it affirmation that she a succea-of- -- he is a successfu politician? was sort of a national laughingstock over time. what is motivating him on this? >> summimply a calling. he's a deeply religious man and believes his interpretation of the constitution, few people share. even divided in alabama. says that god is supreme to the
constitution and, therefore, god's law helps dictate interpretation of the constitution. that's what he's fighting for. all of these other conservative issues he takes, kind of fit into the republican rubric. he's a little more of a troublemaker. maybe call him a tea partier a few years ago, but that issue of returning this country to a moral foundation, that's what drives him, and it's driven him all his life. >> brian, this is a -- a fight between the suburbs and the rural parts of the state. is that the basic way, the fight between mobile and birmingham versus the rest of the state? birmingham, huntsville, where moore has to run you up the score? >> yes. moore extremely strong in the rural part, southeastern part of the state. strange's base, geographically jefferson, shelby county, suburban birmingham. the candidates, the campaigns,
are looking at the huntsville area, which was the only place won in the primary by congressman mo brooks. they think there are votes to be gotten there. and i talked to others who think, maybe these folks should have looked more in the rural areas to turn out some republican voters. >> what is the roy moore vulnerability? >> in this race? >> yeah. >> the vulnerability i think is going to be the business turnout. you know? look at turnout in the first round of the primary. around 400,000. less than one-third of republicans who voted for trump in to 16. a tiny turnout election. when i was there, not an election everybody's talking about. >> what i wondered. didn't feel buzzy. >> even at events i went to for mohr, not a lot of people. not at the strange events either. it isn't an election gripping the state as much as it's gripping washington, d.c. with a little bump in turnout, you could change things. u.s. chamber working with the state chamber has really been working to communicate with workers, big kpus like boeing in
the state. turn out 40,000, 50,000 people, no one saw coming that could matter. >> brian, in this runoff, in my mind, comparing it agents to what happened in your neighboring state a couple years ago in mississippi. same deal. outsider and insider and the s insider pulled off the runoff. same deal. but a secret ingredient at the end there. brett favre, said he actually probably brought -- brought thad cochran over the finish line. i've noticed in a state crazy about football, in a state obsessed about football, seems as if neither one of these guys tapped into that. is there anybody that could bring it home for strange outside of president trump? >> if he picked up nick saban's endorsement, possibly. the thad cochran situation, the
i issue, legislation banned cross voting primaries. democrats wanted to vote in this runoff, they simply can't under the law. the other thing, too, to consider. neither strange nor moore are even trying to go to the center or reach out to democratic voters. really give those folks any reason to cast a ballot september 26th, even if they could. this is a very red meat, right wing republican right now. >> let me ask this question -- is this campaign over november 26th or doubt in december? does doug jones the democrat have a shot? michael, start with you. an outsider, any evidence this could be legitimate? >> i didn't talk to a lot of democrats when down there. it's been decades since they sent a democratic senator. it's gotten more red. moore elected state-wide a
couple times as judge before. i think democrats will make a try and it will be determined based on polls early on, but an outside chance. >> brian, where are you on this? >> i -- what i'm seeing with democrats in the state is, they're enthusiastic about jones. they'll have enthusiasm. enough democrats to take him over the top? >> he would need disgruntled republicans. enough business republicans? chamber of commerce republicans that actually would cross over against roy moore? isn't that the -- the game? >> yeah. and in 2012, bob vance ran against roy moore able to pick off some of those business republicans and pick up some traditionally republican areas like in the cities and suburbs. he lost to moore anyway, though. so, you know, i don't think a democratic victory is completely out of the question, but the -- it's going to be an uphill battle. the last democrat elected to the
senate from alabama was richard shelby, obviously now a republican. >> excellent point there. tell you, though, roy moore in the united states senate. something a lot of capitol hill republicans, reporters, are fascinated to see how they would work. brine, enjoy this runoff and i have a feeling you'll be busy until december. nothing like a couple good political races for you down there. rats. always fun. michael, what a profile. encourage everybody to read it. roy moore and kick boxing is all you need to know. and coming up next, politics and society. stick with us. hold on dad... liberty did what? yeah, liberty mutual 24-hour roadside assistance helped him to fix his flat so he could get home safely. my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. don't worry - i know what a lug wrench is, dad. is this a lug wrench? maybe? you can leave worry behind
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welcome back. politics and religion have always been intertwined. our next guest sally quinn could give insight. columnist, married editor, co-founder of the postreligion bond on faith. the ties entered new frontiers. asking voters about a personal connection between ethical behavior. and believes a politician who commit an immoral act can still behave ethically. that number skyrocketed. spiritual matters, changing political climate. with all of that, sally quinn
co coed ter on a faith blog. talking about the memoir in a minute and talk about what you do every day. which is this intersection of trying to -- this intersection of politics and faith these days. i hate to say, i'm more cynical than ever about it. >> well, i don't think that you should be so seniccal, and one of the reasons is because the majority of people in this country are, say they're religious, but now almost one-third of the people are what they call nones. ask them their faith, religion, they say none but all spiritual, looking for spiritually and not finding what they need in institutional religion. churches are becoming emptier and emptier and people -- >> your contention, even why
pews are emptying an memberships of congregations getting older, doesn't mean people are less spiritual? >> more spiritual and looking for some kind of answers and some sort of spirituality they're not getting. not getting what they need from traditional religions. a lot of people are going to alternative religions or else creating a religion of their own. a wonderful book called "a religion of one's own" which i read and is basically what i have. my own religion and own way of coming to some sort of spirituality or some connection to the divine or transcendens. i think people are longing for that and that that particularly right now given the atmosphere and this last election and the trump administration, i think people are really looking for that, and i think, you know -- hillary called it the basket of
deplorables. the people who were trump followers, and, you know, i just refuse to believe, because i think that he has displayed acts of immoralitiy, that we all know about. i mean, his ethics and morals and values are not what we normally associate with our country and with the major mainsupreme american. >> he's not the first politician to have questionable ethics and morality. >> no. you're right. >> isn't this an erosion? is the public cynical a about it or -- >> i think they've become cynical in some way, but i think there is a sort of numbness to it, but i do think that there is a longing for something better than that. i mean, i am optimistic about this country, because i think that the people that he appeals to by berating people and calling, you know, the lying media, the lying press, and
crooked hillary, whoever else it is. i think those people are not people who would, number one, behave that way themselves. or teach their children that, and if they are christians, i don't think that they believe that jesus would do that. and if you want to ask, what would jesus do. >> well -- >> so i think that these people would look to someone who had -- was more -- moral leadership and ethical leadership and values if it were presented to them in the right way. >> let's -- why did you write the book? >> i was asked to write a book because i start add religion website for the "washington post" and was an atheist and so i started studying religion -- >> still an annal ththeist. >> i'm not. i started the order to do the website. i started because i thought "washington post" wasn't covering religion. >> not the only one.
i don't think we cover religion very well in this country. the way we cover -- >> a story my colleague just did, michael, on roy moore. >> yes. >> that was religion. and my point has always been that religion plays a huge part in national politics and foreign policy. we simply can't ignore it. it's too big a story. >> drives me nuts. we don't teach it. political science curriculum i argue should have a study of religion. >> i totally agree with you. in fact, steve brothreo wrote a book, and we should study religion the way we do history, music, philosophy and everything else. it's too important not to know about it. sigh wanted to, as a journalist -- i started the website because i wanted to explore all of these religions and i wanted to, basically inform people. teach people, about -- i think that you are so much more suspicious about other people's religions, if you don't know
anything about it, and don't know them. >> so is the book, away for you to explore how you went from atheist to believer? >> it was. a story -- my husband ben bradlee died nearly three years ago, and it was during the time that i was taking care of him, the last two years of his life he had dementia i began to think about spirituality, because even though i was, had thought i was an atheist, it way clebecame cl i was looking for something, too, and needed some sort of spirituality to give me strength to get through what i went through, and what i finally came to realize was that taking care of ben was the most spiritual thing i'd ever done in my life and gave my life meaning, and i think one of the things in this country, well, all over the world. too many people are searching for happiness, which is the wrong way to look at it. they are looking for happiness to find meaning. when, in fact, you need to find meaning to become happy.
and that's what i found, and i found that loving ben and taking care of ben was the most meaningful thing i could have done and it has given me, my book is called "finding magic" but it's brought magic into my life. >> is this something that, is this a journey that is part -- because i find -- there are different times in your life, and i think in my life, you go back and forth between the search for faith, looking for it, needing it, even as you question it? >> well, you know, when i -- when i was an atheist i was an angry atheist and basically thought i believed in god. that i didn't believe in god. well, my father was in the military and he liberated the concentration camp, dachau and made a scrapbook. saw pictures asked about it. he explained the nazis to me and i said did god know about this? he said, yes, he did. how could he let this happen? my father said, well,
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on yet another friday afternoon. i really want to see the next couple paragraphs of that report. because it has been my understanding from people who looked at this that despite efforts, there has been no indication of votes affected in any way. so until we have something a little more definitive, everybody stay a little calm. >> here's to be the most troubling part. the homeland security officials believe it targeted voter registrations states in 20 states. however, most weren't notified. >> i think the key question is whether votes were tampered with. even what all the intelligence agencies say about russian is free, the voters still cast the ballots. what is crucially important is that that remains the case. if that is in question, i really don't know. >> let's say the bigger issue.
while we're having this political fight, the president called the russian thing a hoax. are we ready for 2018? >> well, i think that's one -- i don't think we are. i think that's one thing that perhaps the trump election and voter fraud panel might want to discuss, right? in addition to what they're going after. you might want to say, are other systems cape an, safe? especially those that are electronic. they'll go back to paper ballots of the they don't want to be subject of the. >> is it time to put oink our finger? >> we laugh. >> other countries do it. >> a thumb print. forget paper. that might be it. >> well, that doesn't -- >> facial recognition. >> ink on the finger shows that you voted. it doesn't prove your vote wasn't tampered with. this is such an important question. we rae did need all of these reports to look back to figure out what happened in 2016. but nobody disputes that russians were in some systems. were trying to get in some
systems. the question that we've been failing to ask, all of us and our colleagues, have been failing to press the trump administration on, what are you doing? who was working on it? whose job is it? where is the special organization set up to make sure this doesn't happen in 2018 and 2020? >> to matt's point, the evidence suggests that voter fraud, at least in person voter fraud. there are very few instances. this is clearly a bigger problem but this may be one way to use the resources. >> let's think about the way they're conducted of we have questions about facebook. questions about this. i had a scary question. someone said can democracy survive the digital revolution? our own freedoms are being used against us here. we have to come one safeguards. but the constitution will make some of the safeguards very difficult. >> sure. a lot of this is a state issue. you want to see the states take a lead. technology isn't always for the
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that's all for tonight. we'll be back monday with more "mtp daily." if it's sunday, catch "meet the press" on your local tv station. good evening, ari, and happy new year. >> happy new year. tonight president trump is on the verge of another stinging rebuke from his own party on trump care. the key player is john mccain who came out swinging today and may ultimately be the veto of the republicans' last-ditch effort to revive trump care by the next deadline. saying he cannot in good conscience vote for the new trump care effort. this is a big deal. it means obviously democrats only now need one more vote to save obamacare and administer another bipartisan thumping of this young president. saving health care for at least 21 million