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> that does it for us tonight. now it's time for "the last word" and joy reid is for lawrence. good evening. >> i wrote down what i think and correct me if i'm wrong. three days that you can afford to work for the trump administration. from be a mill their. afford to pay for the lawyer on retainer. sell your plasma. or be a trump so the rnc and the re-elect pays for -- do i have that right, i think? >> favorite detail in all of this is so far looking at the
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re-elect, they seem to have a rule about who has the legal fees paid for by campaign donors. you have to be named donald trump. did good thing for the trump family is they have two of those guys. >> two people. >> junior and senior. ivanka needs anything, uh-huh. >> kushner, do you get any money? >> exactly. poor mike pence, next week, is going to be raising money for the trump re-election fund. he's raised money for his own pac and donated that money to the trump re-election fund paying for junior's legal fees and mike pence pays for his own. >> the funniest part is he then has to sell the plasma to help jared and the other non donald trump family members pay their legal fees. running out of blood. >> yeah. you know that the president's going to volunteer him. tap mike. he's healthy. >> the paler he looks, the more he's pumping into the trump family legal fees. thank you.
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have a great weekend. >> thank you. you too. >> all right. i 'm in for launs o'donnell. to rally tonight in alabama, donald trump talked about how he can't seem to close the deal with republican senators on health care repeal and why trump voters won't be getting the wall they have been promised. >> john mccain has gone full maverick this afternoon. >> announcing moments ago he is a no on the graham/cassidy bill. >> saying the process is garbage. >> hopefully now stop stupid. >> knockout blow may not be far off. >> i obviously have very serious reservations about the bill. i do want to wait until i get the cbo analysis. >> basically her saying i'm waiting until they say it's a terrible bill before i vote against it. >> i think it's dead as a cucumber. dead as what? door nail. >> they finally get a president who will sign the legislation and they don't have the guts to vote for it.
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okay? >> i think it's officially called the screw you billy kimmel act of 2017 sigh that what they're calling it? >> better to put the decisions in the hands of the state. if florida makes the decisions, it is legal to bring an alligator to a strip club. okay? >> the republican quest to repeal and replace obamacare is on the brink of failure once again tonight, hours after senator john mccain announced his opposition to his best friend's bill. donald trump attacked john mccain over his opposition to the republican plan. >> they gave me a list of ten people that were absolute noes. these are ten republican senators. now, john mccain's -- john
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mccain's list -- john mccain was not on the list. so that was a totally unexpected thing. terrible. honestly, terrible. you know, john mccain came in and he went thumbs down at 3:00 in the morning. everybody -- it was a horrible, horrible thing that happened to the republican party. that was a horrible thing. >> and donald trump said this about senator rand paul who had already announced that he opposes the republican health care bill. >> by the way, in all fairness, rand paul was on the list. they said don't waste your time. he voted twice yes. okay? he was very good. and i haven't given up on him! because i think he may come around. okay? wouldn't it be ironic if he took john mccain's place and they definitely do not like each other. wouldn't that be ironic? that would be very ironic for those of you that know. the inner workings of the senate. >> now, this comes after a third straight night of scathing
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criticism of repeal effort of late night tv host jimmy kimmel. >> i see these comments from these angry people, they say, what qualifies you to talk about this stuff? you're a comedian. go back to being not funny. i feel like it's my duty to remind these people so concerned about my qualifications, the guy you voted for for president, his job qualification was this. >> meatloaf, you're fired. >> okay? he fired meatloaf on television. athen you put him in the white house. i'll say it again. it's more important than ever to call your senators and tell them not to gut american health care. >> excellent point. after mccain came out against the bill saying to continue to insist on regular order, kimmel tweeted this this afternoon. thank you, senator john mccain, for being a hero again and again and now again. an adviser on the affordable care act and ej deon and opinion writer for "the washington post" and political analyst and co-author of "one nation under trump."
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can't wait to see that. careen jean pierre. i'll go with you first since you're at the table. the irony of republicans saying jimmy kimmel should not speak about the bill because he is a tv personality and the tv penalty's in the white house. jimmy kimmel said why he is qualified. this is an adorable picture. and he tweeted, hey senator john mccain, thank you for fighting for kids like me. senator collins and senator lisa murkowski, that's from his son. isn't that more powerful? >> absolutely, joy. >> he is not a health care guy. >> he's a powerful spokesperson for what's going on right now with aca, repeal of aca. the thing to remember looking that the photo, his child has a pre-existing condition.
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>> right. >> right? and in this bill by the time his kid would have turned 1 years old, he would have reached a lifetime cap. >> right, right. >> jimmy kimmel understands this. he -- while he will be fine because he's wealthy and can afford the surgeries, he understands there are people that cannot afford that and taking the mantle and fight for people. >> yeah. absolutely. nera, you know, one does wonder. jimmy does set up senator lisa murkowski and senator collins, you are up, they were so against the other bill based on the potential and one wonders about the hesitation this time around. let's listen to donald trump tonight trying to woo lisa murkowski. >> your premiums are surging. your deductibles are through the roof. we have one state, the state of alaska, it's up more than 200%.
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and i'm having a hard time getting a certain vote but she is a good person and i think she will come through. i mean, if you look, alaska is up over 200%. so that means obamacare's no good. so we shouldn't have a hard time getting her vote and i think she is going to come through. i hope so. >> before i give your answer, that was jimmy kimmel's wife who tweeted that. he retweeted it. to be accurate. the case that trump is trying to make to murkowski is obamacare is so horrible. but the deal they're supposedly offering to woo her is to let alaska keep obamacare. does that make any sense to you? >> no. it shows that obamacare, the affordable care act, is actually what real people want in alaska. the governor is happy with the affordable care act. senator murkowski has said she basically wants to keep the elements of it. you know, it's crazy about this is that lisa murkowski i'm sure
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knows health care better than donald trump, cassidy or graham. she's actually weighing this bill and if she does hold to the word she said before which is that she wants a good deal for alaska an she wants a good deal for the country, she will vote no. the crazy part of the president's rants tonight is that the person who is driving up costs in alaska is donald trump. it's his actions that are causing it. she wants a stable bill. she wants a bipartisan bill. the republicans scuttled a bipartisan bill to get that. in order to jam through this partisan effort. and so, lisa murkowski knows that. if she holds true to anything she said in june, july, then she will vote no and i hope we see she votes no in the days to come but about health care this whole bill is like the crazy ending of the horror movie. you think it's dead, it's like
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it's in the bathtub. it is underwater. you think it's dead and it rises again. so people still need to make the calls and go to protests this weekend. you still need to have your voice heard. >> watching "the walking dead" in the abandoned store looking for supplies, there's always a walker in there! they're never all dead. ej, the other person seems to be on the fence is susan collins, with a principle objection to the bill last night. here she is today talking about this bill. >> i obviously have very serious reservations about the bill. i do want to wait until i get the cbo analysis. >> i mean, ej, the thing is that, you know, even without the cbo weighing in, there's plenty of analysis talking about the fact the bill punishes the states that expanded medicaid, take the money and give it to state that is failed to expand medicaid. do you understand why she is his tatding to say no?
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>> i think she is hesitating to say no just to say i'm a republican. i'll give my leadership a little time. i'd be really surprised if susan collins votes for this bill. i think the signals she is sending is she'll vote no and as you say, two of the states that lose money under this formula are maine and alaska. which is why they're trying to cook up apparently this special deal for lisa murkowski and if you're going to let alaska keep obamacare because murkowski wants that, you could let every state keep obamacare just by scuttling the whole bill and that would be simpler. >> right! exactly. that's exactly it. and, you know, politico with a headline today saying trump pivotally the white house is harboring doubts with mixed signals. an official told politico, said this out loud, we really aren't sure what the impact will be of passing the bill.
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if they don't know what the bill does and not about policy, right? it can't be about policy and meanwhile "the new york times" is reporting the same thing i was hearing from republicans and texting yesterday that it is donors, gop donors are furious according to the report of corey gardner, the head of the nrsc told gop senators we haven't kept the promise. the donors are mad. it is about policy. >> that's exactly right. the rhetoric of eight years of repealing obamacare and this bill is like the worst of all of the bills put into one and it's not repealing and replacing. it is, hey, you are on your own. >> right. >> but yet this is what's the problem here. you remember we had donald trump say the house bill was mean but they just don't care about the impact of tens of millions of people. they just don't. it is all about like you said their donors and keeping that awful rhetoric they ran with. >> and with you, ej, this is donald trump tonight admitting that, saying that the reason to pass the bill because you said you would pass the bill. this is donald trump tonight. >> so they were getting the
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great votes like i think they voted -- what? 61 times. like 61 times! to repeal or replace. they finally get a president who will sign the legislation and they don't have the guts to vote for it. okay? they don't have the guts to vote for it. >> you know, ej, you have written about the republican party and evolution since really going back to the goldwater era. how do we get to a point of point of public policy is not policy at all? it is simply because did donors are demanding the tax cut, they want the money and you said you'd do it? how did we get here? >> well, i think it's been and we talk about this in our book, it's been an evolution in the republican party that the right wing took over the party, the donors played a big role in that. they drove out all sorts of liberals. think back to john chaffey and
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very serious about health care and introduced a fairly progressive bill. all those people are gone right now. but we're at an even worse stage here because it's as if nobody cares about the policy. they just want a win. it doesn't matter what the win looks like. doesn't matter what's in the bill. the republicans haven't been able to pass anything because they've given the right wing of their party veto over every issue because they're unwilling to deal with the democrats. and so, that's why they're stuck with no legislation and we are stuck confronting this health care horror show if this bill ever passed. >> you know, neera, one person that cares about the policy is rand paul believing that the federal government to withdraw entirely from assisting with health care and being honest about the fact of no one getting help at all. people like mccain upset about process. murkowski and others are concerned about their states and
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legitimate. you helped write this affordable care act. at the time, it is closer to the bob dole rebuttal to hillary care than it is -- are you as shocked as i am that the republican party is devolved to the point it's just about handing cash to donors and nothing about policy? >> i mean, when's insane about this proposal, this legislation, is it is the most radical rewriting of health care in decades. we might have one hearing on it on monday. and this bill is far to the right of what the house passed. it's far to the right of what the senate was considering just a month ago. month and a half ago. the idea here is will create chaos. medicaid directors across the country said it creates chaos throughout the system. don't take it from me. take it from insurers, hospitals, doctors.
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the idea that we're going to rip up people's health care and just send it to the states and the states will just create health care plans they never created before, a level of disruption and no -- so few senators -- i'd be surprised if 20 republican senators know what's in the bill as of now and supposed to vote on it next week. >> yeah. >> the idea -- this is what feeds cynicism in america. this is what makes people hate congress. >> yeah, yeah. >> people literally say out loud my donors are why i want to throw 30 million people's health care away and why people are angry. >> absolutely. you know who doesn't seem to understand, the jimmy kimmel? he mos more about this policy than the two people whose names are on the bill from what we tell right now. neera, thank you for joining us. coming up tonight, at his rally donald trump was asking questions about russians after the tweet tantrum about russia earlier today. up next, trump campaigns for incumbent senator strange by telling the voters, it might have been a mistake to endorse him at all. a pilot like you shouldn't be flying buses.
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i might have made a mistake and i'll be honest. i might have made a mistake. >> since when does donald trump ever admit to making a mistake? and mistake that trump might have made is picking luther strange as his candidate of choice in the alabama republican runoff to fill the u.s. senate state vacated by jeff sessions. that is pitting trump against the base. next tuesday, trump, trump
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backed interim senator strange will face former alabama chief justice moore who's being backed by trump supporters like steve bannon, sarah palin. latest polling finds moore up by 8 points. according to donald trump, luther strange isn't part of the dreaded establishment like moore's supporters fear. in fact, trump says strange doesn't even know the senate majority leader. >> people are saying he's friendly. whether you like mitch mcconnell or not doesn't matter but friendly with mitch. he doesn't know him. he was there for a few months. and they've put that mantle around his neck. i told mitch i'd like to say this. i'm telling you. he doesn't know mitch mcconnell at all. how would he see him in the senate? joining us now president of endeavor strategies and former spokesperson for breitbart. curt, so, luther strange doesn't know mitch mcconnell at all and never met him at all and interesting that donald trump is
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trying to have it both ways. base wants hay moore. trump has come out for luther strange. here's donald trump actually telling the base you must do this because it's about donald trump. take a listen. >> if luther doesn't win, they're not going to say we picked up 25 points in a very short period of time. they'll say, donald trump, the president of the united states, was unable to pull his candidate across the line. by the way, both good men. both good men. and you know what? and i told luther, i have to say this. if his opponent wins, i'm going to be here campaigning like hell for him. >> what a friend. curt, for the base that, you know, reads breitbart daily, getting the newses from the far right, is it possible to pull
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them over, pull them away from ray moore based on their loyalty to donald trump? >> no. i don't think it is because at this point if you read breitbart as an only source of information, you believe that donald trump is being tricked into supporting, you know, the candidate he's got behind, that he's been co-opted by the west wing globalists to tell him to get behind luther strange and almost unwillingly and i think that's part of the posture tonight. i never saw an endorsement where the person giving the endorsement advocates for the other guy. >> yeah. >> with friends like that, my god, you know, donald trump did the job for moore right there tonight and basically gave an endorsement that was really supporting of the other guy and even said he'll campaign with the opponent should he win. >> yeah. >> and it just showed how concerned donald trump is about the headline that is will happen which will be, trump loses in alabama. bannon beats trump. he is so preoccupied with how he'll look and worried about
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looking weak and a quote/unquote loser trying to preempt that already saying he supports the guy. >> ej, remind me of the french election and supported lepen and she lost and he said i was always behind you to the guy that won. it is really won. >> don't seek an endorsement from donald trump. what's really interesting here is that this is the donald trump/steve bannon primary. the financial times put it. steve bannon would like to show trump that his people are forhim not because he's trump. he can't do anything. they won't follow him anywhere. they're for him because of far right nationalist christian views. and so, if moore wins, it will be seen certainly by breitbart and steve bannon, a victory for their strategy and if strange pulls this out actually then trump will be able to say
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they're with me. i can pull anybody over the line. so this has some real implications for the -- total workings of donald trump head, but also, the internal workings of the trump operation. it will empower the bannon-ites. they really want to show something to trump. >> yeah. i mean, if you asked the question of nbc news of a poll to republicans, more of a trump supporter, 58% told our poll that they're a trump supporter more than a republican party supporter and interesting if he's not to pull luther strange across the line, whose party is it anyway? donald trump said something else that -- he said a lot tonight and listen to another thing and went after without saying his name colin capper anymore. take a look. >> wouldn't you love to see a nfl owner when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a [ bleep ] off the field right now. he's fired. he's fired! when people like yourselves turn
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on television and see people taking the knee playing our great national anthem -- the only thing you could do better is if you see it, even if it's one player, leave the stadium. i guarantee things will stop. things will stop. just pick up and leave. >> jemele hill, the white house demanded she be fired by espn, not one nfl owner, not roger goodell, will say one word about what he said about kaep or other nfl players. not a one. why are you bringing up capper nick's name in alabama? never mind. i know the answer. your thoughts? >> good for her for still speaking up. >> yeah. >> amen to her. look. so much for the president for promoating the constitution in the first amendment. right? that's what he's supposed to be doing. at the end of the day, not only
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is donald trump a petulent child, he is a racist, a racist in the '70s, '80s, and '90s and when he first stepped into the political arena. he was one when he kicked off his presidential campaign and now unfortunately he's using this bull horn to really push racism further and further and the president of the united states. he is the person who's sitting in the oval office signing, you know, executive orders behind the resolute desk. >> but at the same time, curt, he knows the audience. he is a guy who's selling $40 hats to a certain audience. tweeting out $29 for a gold card with donald trump's face on it. he knows who his audience is and that's what they want to hear. right? >> it's a same audience infuriated by his working with democrats to try to find a solution to daca. also the same audience he catered to pardoned someone who believed for law enforcement to racially profile people. you know, when this happens, we have to look at the nfl, at the
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owners, the players to make a stand this weekend. you know, some of these owners gave $1 million to donald trump. dan snider here in washington, d.c. owning the washington redskins, jerry jones, bob kraft, new england, there's going to be a lot of eyeballs on the nfl this weekend to see how they react. will the league say, you know what? no. it's not right to terminate someone exercising a first amendment to speak. it is not right to try to take someone's employment away because they're exercising their belief and demonstrating they're discriminated against in as a class in this country and show that. how the players respond will also be interesting, people like russell wilson, leaders in this league, aaron rodgers, white, black or hispanic, you have an obligation to speak out against it. >> ej, doubling down on the marketing he does to the base he sells hats to, donald trump led a familiar chant at the rally tonight. let's take a listen to that.
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>> you got to speak to jeff sessions about that. >> of course, ej, again, lock her up about hillary clinton. somebody who's not in public office. is not running against him anymore. but there's still a sail yen sy of that guttural chant against a woman that dared to run against him as president. >> no, that's right. the main reason he ended up passing clinton in those key states is because of he played on anti-clinton feelings. and he is always done his politics by attacking someone. the biggest target is hillary clinton. but there was also little marco. there was also lying ted. donald trump doesn't know how to do politics without an enemy.
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when's inconvenient for him is you say is she is not running against him. she is not going to run against him again. he tried to take runs at former president obama. that didn't work well. but i think what donald trump, he is going to be at hillary clinton for the next three years because he doesn't know what to do without her. >> yeah. i mean, it is hard not to feel that, you know, when you combine that with go right back to those buttons, t-shirts, the vile things that people were wearing on the bodies and women about her. this residence of racial and misonly nisic imagery of the base says something not just about donald trump but a chunk of the american electorate that follows him and loves this stuff. passionate about it. >> it is a sweet spot if you will for him. it's been more than 300 days since the election. but he still uses hillary clinton as a foil and he will for a very, very long time. that's all that he knows. instead of focusing on north korea and instead of focusing on
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the territories and the states impacted by hurricane, instead of being presidential, he goes back to that sweet spot and in front of the rally. and he doesn't know anything else. let's not forget, what did he find out about russia this week? mueller is -- and the top investigators are zeroing in on donald trump. >> yeah. >> this is him feeling backed into a corner and reacting. so there's a lot here i think that's playing into this behavior that we continue to see. >> to the point, that is time when puerto rico is suffering, mexico is suffering after natural disasters. here's donald trump with another classic from his campaign, something that we all know now is not going to happen and that, of course, is the wall that he claimed mexico was going to pay for. take a listen. >> by the way, the wall is happening, folks. you know, it has to be a see through wall. renovating the existing wall and we are going to have as much wall as we need. you don't need it all the way.
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somebody said, well, what will you do? build the wall in the middle of the river? nobody can go in. are you going to build that wall on the mountain? you have a mountain which is a wall. but we are going to build the wall. >> it's quite a climb down, curt, but he still is saying it. why do donald trump's fans still believe that? >> you know, trump spent his entire campaign talking about how he's going to build a wall and that mexico was going to pay for it, not the american taxpayers, again, he walked away from that a little bit with the daca deal potentially with the democrats and the base went crazy and burning the hats and now back to try to throw them red meat. when's a see through wall? i don't know what he is talking about. >> yeah. >> glass. >> a window? i guess it's a window. >> build a wall? so he doesn't even know what he's talking about is the point. he is just -- verbal diarrhea. >> i think, you know -- >> wow. >> gave away three quarters of the wall in that speech.
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>> he did. >> all of the places we are not building a wl and renovating an existing wall. >> it is a reno. it's a reno. hgtv. curt, karinne, ej, thank you. >> thank you. what donald trump said about russia and the election tonight. abe by the way, folks, just
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abe by the way, folks, just in case you're curious, no, russia did not help me. okay? i call it the russian hoax. they needed an excuse, so they said, russia.
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and then they said, wait a minute. wait a minute. russia and trump. no. russia did not help me. that i can tell you. okay? >> breaking news. nearly nine months after taking over the federal government, the trump administration finally confirmed to the associated press that today it told election officials in 21 states that hackers targeted their voting systems last year. the ap reports that for many states the calls friday from the department of homeland security were the first official confirmation of whether their states were on the list. the government did not say who was behind the hacking attempts but officials in three states said friday the attempts could be linked to russia. joining me now, natasha beltran and george butler. tasha, first your reaction to the idea that it took this long for the trump administration to inform 21 states that the
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election systems might have been hacked. >> this is something that the vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee mark warner has been on over months and encouraging the government to take a stronger stance on this, you know, this news that the russians did try to infiltrate these voter registration systems. it's an extremely big deal and even if they didn't necessarily change vote tallies and no evidence they did that, the fact they were able to infiltrate the systems and that they were scanning them in the first place should have been something that the government was, you know, informing these states of long before. >> the reporting that you were doing was specifically about probably the most vulnerable me believe at the moment and seems to change every week within the trump camp and that's paul manafort. talk a little bit about it. in your reporting, manafort allegedly in your view, reporting, disappeared with the money and not vice versa. can you explain that? >> something interesting about
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an e-mail manafort sent to his protege last year regarding, you know, this private briefing for the millionaire is manafort spokesman came out saying manafort was just trying to get money owed from past clients in ukraine and interesting is that there's an allegation that manafort owes him money. deripaska said that manafort stole from him as part of an investment that went south and filed these claims in 2014 and they had a falling out and they haven't spoken since then. but the fact that now manafort reaching out and he was asking if deripaska wants the briefings, but does this have to do with debt cancelation. >> yeah. bob, if you're mueller and looking at paul manafort in debt to russian oligarchs and seems to have contact with them, walk us through what you end up doing. are you more interested in
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prosecuting paul manafort or flipping paul manafort? >> you know, we think of these as pure prosecutions so you start on the bottom and you work your way to the top. but when we look at who the bottom is, it's high level guys like paul manafort who was the campaign chairman and michael flynn who was the national security adviser. and special counsel mueller is going in on those guys. he's treating them like drug kingpins or organized crime dudes with the no knock warrant, with the search of the wife at the crack of dawn. and so, again, if this is the bottom it sounds like somebody higher up is at the top. and so, that's president trump. and his even higher level officials. >> is it too much of a paul to think that investigators would then start put together dots sort of separated as paul
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manafort's ties to russia and the fact that we now know that probably the russians, most likely the russians, breached 21 election systems? do they wind up getting put together inside mueller's investigation or more a matter for the national security investigation in your opinion? >> no. they're part of the investigation and this is why, joy, we have conclusive evidence that the russians tried to hijack our election. and president trump is not mad at the russians. he's mad at the media for reporting that news. and so, the question that special counsel mueller asked is president trump and the men work for him including paul manafort, do they seem like the type if the russians offer help at him beating hillary, do they seem like the type of people to turn it down? no. they're very open to all kinds of overchurs from the russians. why turn down help about the campaign? >> we are also seeing, natasha, an attempt by the administration
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to undermine the mueller investigation and leaks of capitol hill and pointing to the trump and manafort side in service of two tactical goals, undermining the goals and credibility of mueller's work and shifting blame to president barack obama. this is essentially a credibility contest between manafort, the white house and mueller. >> and look. this is not the first thyme that we have seen the white house try to undermine mueller. if the "vanity fair" report is true. we don't know who leaked the details and not surprising if the president and the white house were leaking these details to try to shift the blame on to the obama administration for a wiretapping. that by the way would require a warrant. there's a very lengthy process that the obama administration, the justice department under the obama administration, would have had to go through to obtain this f isa warrant and note the if he could time that an fisa warrant approved on paul manafort.
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>> you need probable cause i'm assuming for that warrant. >> probable cause which means that there's a fair probability that evidence of a crime is in paul manafort's apartment for one search and the eavesdropping that he is going around having conversations about illegal matters. >> all right. the plot thickens. natasha, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. and coming up, the man who spent his congressional career decrying waste, fraud and abuse in government -- the health and human
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the health and human services inspector general investigating h hs secretary price's use of private jets reportedly cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars. five house and senate democrats requested the investigation after politico reported this week tom price has taken at least 24 flights on private charter planes at taxpayer expense since early may. the cost of the trips identified exceeds $300,000. according to a review of contracts and similar trip itineraries. here's how a spokesperson defended price's travel to politico. quote, when commercial aircraft cannot reasonably accommodate travel, charter is used. we'll hear from then congressman tom price chastenning congressional leaders in 2009 for, wait for it, using private jets.
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this is just another example of fiscal irresponsibility run amok in congress right now. >> then congressman tom price in 2009 speaking out against members of congress using private jets. joining us now, a former foreign policy adviser, and paul butler is also back with you. so max, let's look at a tweet from dan diamond. here is the 30-seat charter jet that tom price and kellyanne conway took for their $25,000 d.c. to philly roundtrip. i think a ticket could cost like $200. that's what they took. what happened to tom price? >> well, obviously will to that price was living the good life and flying a claert plane from d.c. to philadelphia. he could have taken amtrak. this is incredible on so many levels.
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some some ways it is the oldest story in washington. the come to washington, drain the swamp and find that you lying living in the swamp. the water is nice. come on in. this is a classic example. >> and the san diego tribune wrote in june, it was titled the nation's top health official vows, attack wasteful spending. he said that he's committed to ringing out wasteful spending regardless of what happens by donald trump and the gop-led congress to reshame obamacare. perennials talk about wringing the waste out of medicaid and medicare. is it something about the intoxication of washington, being around wealthy donors and wealthy lobbyists that is so enticing, or is it straight up hypocrisy and they're lying when they say they want to get rid of waste. >> those two things are not mutually exclusive. they get on washington and decide they like it there. even with the tea party, the
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most streel folks like tom price who have been waging the greatest war on what he per seize as waste, fraud and abuse. this is why people are very cynical about washington. people say donald trump is an outsider. anybody who has followed his career could say, no, he's the guy who has been deeply compromised by the political word for did he go aids. he's been cutting the disease, signing the checks. and the experienced people expected despite this long history, he would somehow clean out this swamp. you see it is not only tom price. it is mnuchin. they're all enjoying the benefits of government service of the. >> at what point does this
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wander over from hypocritical to a violation that could get a person in trouble? >> so it's not a crime to do something like this. it is against the ruse of the employee handbook. it is against the regulations of the federal government. the standard is lucy goosy. you're not supposed to spend more than necessary. even by standard, what secretary price does, he exceeds. that so the office of inspector general is investigating. they have the power to sanction and to tell them to stop. but i'm looking at this. not so much from former prosecutor but from a former government employee. if i do something like that, i would have gotten fired fast, quick is that in a hurry. it will be interesting to see if there's a double standard because this man happens to be the secretary. he still literally lost and wasted hundreds of thousands of
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government money. what i remember is, this trip he faruq d.c. to philly on a private plane for $25,000. that's a three-hour train ride. an hour and a half train ride. a three-hour car ride. so give me a break. >> the other thing that happened, we were talking about donald trump's speech in alabama. he talked about north korea. >> we can't have madmen out there shooting rockets all over the place. by the way, rocketman should have been handled a long time ago. maybe something gets worked out and maybe it doesn't. personally i'm not sure it will. i can tell you one thing, you are protected. you are protected. nobody will mess with our people. nobody is going to play games. nobody is going to put our people in that kind of danger. >> i don't think i'll ever get used to the president of the united states using cutesy nicknames for dictators.
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>> it has never happened before. john f. kennedy didn't call him rocket man. it has no place between nuclear arms states. this is very dangerous. some of trump's policies are fairly sensible including the sanctions on north korea. that's something we ought to be doing. he is distracting attention. and donald trump is making they will look sympathetic or at least putting us on a par with north korea. that's not where the president of the united states ought to be. >> hear, hear. tonight's last word is next. knw a lot about drama. from scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. (gasping) son? dad! we also know you can avoid drama by getting an annual check-up.
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