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tv   The 11th Hour With Brian Williams  MSNBC  September 23, 2017 1:00am-2:00am PDT

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>> i think he does, yeah. i don't think donald trump has the juice to get it done. the people who voted for him were voting for a very specific set of ideological believes he was pretending to embody and the second he goes away from that, he'll go for them. >> thank you both. >> yeah. >> thank you both for being with me tonight. before we go, a reminder tomorrow the phenomenal joy reid and i are hosting, 60,000 people. some form of action. we'll go to central park and see performances by stevie wonder and many, many more. you can watch it exclusively at 3:00 p.m. eastern. that is "all in" for this evening. tonight a trump style rally. the crowd chanting lock her up. the president talking about not having the guts to vote for repeal and replace. and john mccain had what could be the fatal blow to the gop effort.
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and why does the secretary of health and human services need on travel on so many private planes, paid for by the people is this a gop ethics lawyer says he should be fired and sent home on the next greyhound bus. we'll talk to him tonight as "the 11th hour" gets underway. day 246 of the trump administration. the president spoke to a rally in huntsville, alabama saying he really felt at home. >> these are alabama values. i understand the pea of alabama. i feel like i'll from alabama. isn't it a little weird when a guy who lives on fifth avenue in the most beautiful apartment you've ever seen comes to alabama and alabama loves that guy. it's crazy.
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>> as you can gather from that bit right there, it was ript out of the campaign. donald trump bragged about the crowd size, his electoral college victory. he called russia a hoax. we heard about crooked hillary. that led to chants of lock her up. the president said the wall is happening, believe me. he said the news media are fake and the crowd booed john mccain. he even took swing at colin kaepernick and said football isn't the same anymore. more on all of that. if we can get to all of that. but the last bit, booing john mccain, where he blamed mccain for the death of repeal and replace last time and said the vote might get through without him this time. he assured the crowd, repeal and replace will get passed. >> for seven years, i've been hearing, repeal and replace. >> they like the say mr. trump, president trump sat on the oval office.
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i'm on the phone screaming all day long for weeks. they gave me a list of ten people. that were absolute no's. ten republicans. now john mccain's list -- john mccain was not on the list of the so that was a totally unexpected thing. terrible. honestly, terrible. i call up to different people. well, mr. president. could you have dinner with my wife, myself, my kids, my cousins, my uncles? and i would like to talk to you about it. okay. so they come over, the family. pictures all night. everything. okay. i'll get a vote or whatever. but brutal. you know what that is, folks, right? it's called brutality. >> the hopes for this latest repeal and replace bill. graham/cassidy went all but dark because mccain msnbc said he
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couldn't support it. he said it should be something both parties agree on, ideally. he said in part, i cannot in good conscience vote for graham/cassidy proposal. i believe we can do better working together, republicans and democrats and have not yet really tried. nor could i support it without knowing how much it will cost, how it will affect insurance premiums and how many people will be helped or hurt by it. his no comes despite his close friendship of senator graham from south carolina who wrote on twitter, my friendship with mccain is not based on how he votes but respect for how he's lived his life and the person he is. he went on to say he respectfully disagreed with the decision. rand paul as the no vote so far. the whip count has ten other republican senators as undecided or unannounced. but most eyes are most closely foixd two other senators who
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join mccain in voting no last time. susan collins of maine, lisa murkowski of alaska. trump told the crowd tonight, health care is what brought him to alabama. he said when he called his friend luther strange in the last vote, strange told him he had his back. >> luther did that for me. and i remembered luther. we have to be loyal in life of there's something called loyalty with these folks. and i might have made a mistake. i'll be honest. i might have made a mistake. here's a story. if luther doesn't win, they won't say we picked up 25 points in a very short period of time. their going to say donald trump, the president of the united states, was unable to pull his candidate across the line. it is a terrible, terrible moment for trump.
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and do you know what? i had luther, i have to say this. if his point wins, i'm going to be hear campaigning like hell for him. >> our lead-off panel tonight to talk about all of this, whether they like it or not. christina is with us, assistant manager for politics at the "l.a. times." mike allen is with us, co-founder of the news organization, a veteran of the "new york times," politico, "time" magazine, to name a few. and here with us in new york, steve kornacki, our msnbc national political correspondent. you and i just had the treat of sitting here, watching that in new york together. perhaps sharing a chuckle of his imitation of a news caster voice. perhaps there have been others but this is the only endorsement speech that dangled the possibility for defeat. he admitted that he might have made a mistake never endorsing strange, as if to save face on
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the part of the endorser. >> it is striking how the conventional political strategy as we understand it, if you look at the speech and say he didn't do this or that. i think we have to emphasize, that's how he got himself elected president. we said this is not a speech. my candidate forgot to do this. he forgot to thank his host. this has an appeal with a certain segment of the electorate. you're talking about a run-off in alabama. alabama republican voters. he won the primary there by a 2-1 margin. he beat hillary clinton by a 2-1 margin. his approval rating in alabama right now at around 90%. so you are talking about the heart and sow of the trump base. and that kind of performance, we look at it and say if i was writing a script and delivered an endorsement speech, it wouldn't go that way. >> we want to tell people, we
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have this with steve later in the same hour. the other candidate in the race is right out of a clint eastwood movie. at least his name. judge roy moore. you just can't make this up. and it is going to be an interesting race. we have a lot more to say about it later. christina, a i know you think tonight was something of a 2018 test why. is that? >> well, sure. he scram bhs all political wisdom. if you're one of the eight house republicans sitting here in california, the democrats have to win at least four or five of these seats here next year to win control of the house. you're looking at that and you're wondering to yourself, do i want the president's endorsement? do i want the president to campaign for me? do i want the president to come out with fundraising? the republicans are trying to see what they will do for. they it is a test.
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the electorate in alabama very different from here in orange county, california, a lot of changing here, a lot of changes in demographics. a lot of people register as independents. so the question is what can trump bring to the party? the idea when you're getting campaigned for about the president, you want a headline about yourself. the next day's newspaper will say, candidate x was endorsed by the president for this. but instead it is all about north korea, russia, the health care vote. that's not always great for the candidate. might work for donald trump but not necessarily the person on the ballot. >> he also managed to work colin kaepernick in tonight though not by name, quite clearly in his speech. i want to play with you another snippet. crooked hillary came back, the lock her up chant, and he found a way to weave in bam bap's jeff sessions.
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important for two reasons. sessions leaving the cabinet is what created the vacancy that senator strange filling prior to the special election. one. two, senator sessions, he of the public humiliation of serving in the trump cabinet, having recused himself on russia. here is the lock her up with the president invoking jeff sessions' name. >> if crooked hillary got elected, you would not have a second amendment of the you would be handing in your iphones. here. here they are. you would be turning over your rifles.
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you've got to speak to jeff sessions about that. >> the mike allen, what in your view did we witness tonight and how must mr. mueller and the 16 or 17 co-counsels he has hired view an event like this tonight? >> the president, of course, really haming it up. that was the perfect clip and making the gesture, what will april going to do? usually these rally speeches are the greatest hits. tonight we had new stuff. so rocket man was little rocket man. and the president even taking away the fourth wall and saying, i brand people. that's what i do. so he said he wouldn't give xlams because he's friends with some of these people. you mentioned the russia hoax. did you know about the see-through wall?
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the president is saying when they build the wall on the border, and he's saying the wall is being built, will be built. and he says because of the catapults -- >> he made it sound like it was a new code. he said because they throw heavy 100-pound bags of drugs up and over the was and they could fall on someone's head and can i them, the wall must now be see-through. >> he was talking about renovation. at one point he said this is what i'm best at. building things. i've only been in politics a short time but i've been building things foreful on the tax code, he said there will be a tax plan out next week. and he brought back one of my favorite phrases from the campaign. during the campaign, it didn't matter what the president was talking about. it can be about the pentagon or his syria policy. he would always say, you're going to love it. and he brought that back the tax code. then on the nfl. it is not just colin kaepernick saying the owner should fire
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players who -- >> take a knee. >> yeah. he was also saying that football has gone soft and saying that they aren't hard enough. so the president here was just throwing out anything that was on his mind, including calling out the extremely reluctant chief of staff, general john kelly. a little nickname for him. he called him four star as he was coming out. and he's no dummy. the president tried to get him to say something. general kelly made the "give it up" for the president. and general kelly escaped off the podium. we see the president entertaining. and he feels good at the end of the week. his polls are good, he's been lapping up the coverage on the
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deal with the democrats. and we're that had world leaders in new york for the u.n. general assembly are starting to get used to hip. they think that he hasn't been as bad as they thought. and of course, he is the host and they're all sucking up to him. something that he does after the speeches, sxegs seeks approval from the people around him. so the president, we could really see it. >> our friend mike just introduced a frequent rosie scenario. bring us back to washington today and what is the short version for folks who have been busy about where health care stands right now. >> the replay and replace plan that he was talking about has been finished off by what john mccain did today. you a eyes on susan collins and lisa murkowski. neither of them has much
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political incentive that i can see to turn around and support. if one of they will decides they're against this now, that would sink this. certainly with john mccain coming out preemptively and making this announcement, a lot of people think if there was any hesitation, mccain has given them extra cover to go out and vote against it. so people are saying, is this a situation where the republicans in the senate were forced into the last-minute attempt by donald trump and how he reacted to the last failure? he said it was not a team failure. he had house republicans it was their failure. mitch mcconnell's failure. so by bringing it back and maybe failing again, are they trying on establish this is something that can't be done. >> and the broader point is absolutely correct.
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this was jet fuel for donald trump. love hip or hate him. this is what he feeds off. and he cannot be accused of changing his game because mueller and two congressional committees are breathing down his neck and asking for every piece of paper not put away in a drawer in the west wing. >> that's right. he feeds off the crowds and a lot of politician dozen. we've you a seen bill clinton out there on the campaign trail. people get excited and he gets excited back. president trump is in a different category. when it cops to health care, on the last point. i think a lot of republicans are still very wary. he stood in the rose garden and championed the measure and talked about how great it was and then called it mean and called them mean not long after that. when he is talking about the republican party, he is not
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saying we, us republicans. it is like him saying i'll go campaign for whoever wins the race. it is them. that's a difficult position for the republican party. for collins and murkowski, what do they have to lose? they've already voted against it once. it didn't go forward because of them. so when you watch a speech like this from president trump on, a turf where people are riling him up and clearing, i think it just proves to everybody that he won't change. this is president we'll see for his entire presidency. >> give us a brief last word on what we can expect. i know aside from the unexpected. next week in washington. >> with, the president got to enjoy this the 1:20, which was quite a feat out there. but you're totally right to talk about mueller. keeping our eyes on the ball. the only thing that matters. north korea which we'll be
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talking about later in the broadcast, and mueller. you were try it bring him up. add it all up. there is so much news out of mueller this week that was so daunting for the white house. so much evidence that he's going much deeper and broader than people think. and the news this week, new watergate resonance for this probe. news this week that because of the warrant that they had on paul manafort, there's months and perhaps years of times. even though it wasn't directly of the president, we know pits possible and i think like that donald trump's voice is on those tapes of paul manafort. if you're in the white house, you always want to know what you're defending against. now they realize that there is aware house of material that they don't quite know what it is. >> our great thanks on a friday night in september. thanks to the three of you.
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coming up after our first break, the president going back to calling the russia investigation a hoax. twice today, just as we're learning more before the the heat robert mueller is bringing on this white house. plus why the latest threat from north korea is different than the others. a lot to get to. we're just getting underway. ♪
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show me sports. it's so fluffy! look at that fluffy unicorn! he's so fluffy i'm gonna die! your voice is awesome. the x1 voice remote. xfinity. the future of awesome. this shouldn't be handled now but i'll going to handle it. >>ly rocket man. we're going to do it because we have no choice. >> he may be smart. he may be strategic. and he may be crazy. no matter what, we're going to handle it. president trump isn't cooling off that rhetoric against north korea or its leader.
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in fact you heard words like the words we just heard have prompted an unpress denth response from kim jong-un. in a personal statement, kill responded to trump's promise to totally destroy north korea with his own promise of the highest level of hard line counter measure in history. the north korean ministry said that might mean an h-bomb test in the pacific. trump responded to that threat as well tonight. >> he's talking about a massive weapon exploding over the ocean. the pacific ocean. i want to tell you something, and i'll sure he is listening because he watches every word. and i guarantee you, he's watching us like he never watched anyone before. that i can tell you. maybe something gets worked out and maybe it doesn't. i can tell you that you are
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protected. nobody will mess with our people. >> today "l.a. times" reports that trump's own top advisers including national security adviser h.r. mcmaster warned him against antagonizing kim jong-un. the "times" reports it this way. some worry that the escalating war of words has pushed the impasse with sfwhoouk a new and dangerous phase that threatens to deray the months-long effort to squeeze he pyongyang's economy to force kill to the negotiating table. with us to talk about it, two terrific guests, bill richardson, u.n. ambassador to the u.n., he successfully negotiated for the release of americans held in north korea, and biographer and historian, john mecham. welcome to you both. i've wanted to have out since this most recent crisis.
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we have kim calling trump yesterday a gangster and not in a nice way, and we have trump returning the insults as recently as a few hours ago. where is this going to get us and what is your fear about the inability to walk these back? >> well, this is a very frightening situation. the most heightened hostility between north korea and the united states that i've ever seen. i've negotiated with thor north koreans many times. i've been there. they take these attacks very seriously. i'm not defending kim jong-un. he's acted irresponsibly with these missile tests. i remember in the past when his father was called a dwarf, i think by president bush. recently i was very mad at the north koreans over their treatment of the person who came back deceased.
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the treatment of him. and i said something like, kim jong-un had acted like brat. and i heard from the north koreans. so i think this level of hostility, personal hostility, my worry is that it could back fire. i don't think kim jong-un is suicidal and he will attempt something drastic but the worry i have is a miscalculation on their part. a south korean fishing boat getting shot at. an overflight of an american plane. other players, south korea, china, japan can, us. there's pressure to do something, a very tense situation. that's my worry of the and my last worry is that it makes a path to diplomacy, to talks, which i think is the only way out of this impasse. very difficult because of this personal animosity.
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>> is there any question? wee to have live with a nuclear north korea? >> i don't think that should be our policy but realistically, i think we have to start looking at freezing their missile activity, freezing their nuclear activity, finding ways that their icbms don't threaten the united states. that will require negotiation. but the problem is we have no dialogue. we won't talk to the north koreans unless they denuclearize and the north koreans say no. the first step is talking. what do you want? what do i want? like a meeting. and then you look at a potential freeze of the north koreans. they'll want sanctions lifted. economic assistance. it is the only way pout affects american troops, security, south korean people, japanese people, tension ma very vital part of
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the world and that's the korean peninsula. >> there's a lot of history here. the korean war which never officially ended. the 38th parallel for whom americans, it is indelible because their dad fought in that terrible nasty, nasty effort. and there's the pictures you and i grew up with from places i mentioned. the bikini atoll comes to mind. the nuclear tests over the pacific ocean. the terrific mushroom clouds. this was all new back then. can you believe there's talk of an actual test over the water at the tip of an icbm. >> yeah. a lot of us thought on christmas day, 1991, this chapter had closed. the end of the soviet union. and now we're in a remarkable place. this is asymmetry.
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president trump was speaking from a code war site in the american south. an extraordinary bit of our ballistic missiles came out of huntsville, alabama. and i think one of the things that this crisis is going to have to show us to go to the ambassador's point, as henry kissinger said in the middle east, is this a crisis that can be resolved? or a problem that has to be managed? and i think that in the 70-year life of the nuclear age, i think we've been remarkably fortunate. that as few nations have managed to nuclearize. it's rising from year to year but i do think we're in this very odd position where we have a nuclear threat in a regional
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conflict, which is an old pre nuclear age question. that's what china is looking at. china doesn't want north koreans rolling across their border. and i think that the place to watch for, whether this turns out well or not, is perhaps less washington and more beijing. >> a quick question. a serious question for people who have come upon this late. how is it that the only nation to have used nuclear weapons kind of tries to decide who can and cannot have them and certainly tries to pass judgment on it? >> we became the world's most significant power in the history of civilization. not to be too grand on a friday evening, in august, you could say in july of '45 when the bomb worked. there was a quote saying, i have become death, the destroyer of worlds.
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to whom much is given, much is expected. we've been given an enormous at of power to end life. i think that we by and large have lived up to that covenant but it is a test every day. >> we knew this would be weighty matters and we could not have had two better gentlemen to talk about it. thank you on a friday night in september for joining us. we would love to have you back to join us. i know this topic won't go away. another break for our coverage coming up. on stage in alabama, the president spoke out about the russia investigation. we'll show you what he said when "the 11th hour" continues.
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by the way, folks, in case you're curious. no, russia did not help me. okay? russia. i call it the russian hoax. >> welcome back to our broadcast. capping a week of revelation after revelation on the russia investigation. president trump said those words in huntsville, alabama. he also broke a 38-day twitter silence just on this topic, denying that any of it is real. he said this morning, the russia hoax continues. now it it's ads on facebook. what about the totally dishonest media coverage in favor of crooked hillary?
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following with the greatest influence over our election was the fake news media screaming for crooked hillary clinton. next, she was a bad candidate. facebook has acknowledged that it did inadvertently sell $100,000 ads to russian interests. they've promised to turn it over to the special counsel and the founder mark zuckerberg gave a personal statement about efforts facebook will take to keep it from happening again. also today, the department of homeland security notified the 21 states targeted by russian hackers. officials stay kremlin tried but failed to hack voter data bases. tonight we welcome to the broadcast, a former criminal defense attorney. the legal analyst. also joining us, a national political reporter for bloopberg. gentlemen, thank you very much for coming on.
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so the president decided to go there this morning on the russian hoax and then this evening in front of a red meat crowd. what does it mean that he figures why not? >> it is an awful lot to be calling it a hoax. including the report out today that 21 states, the election systems were attempted to be infiltrated. even if they weren't broken into. involving paul manafort. his former campaign chairman. i think what i've heard from people who are familiar with the president's thinking is that he fees insulted every time this is brought up. he feels like he is not being given enough credit for his election victory, which he fees was historic, unexpected. the latter is certainly true. i think that hillary clinton is back on the national spotlight with her book tour is accentuating all of these in his mind of the. >> he went all the way back through it.
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they said there was no path to 270 but i got them to 306. i can't believe it. i'll get a phone call reminding me of the number. if donald trump is your client, if you're white house counsel in charge of defending the institution as much as the man, or personal counsel in charge of defending the man, what are you saying about his use of the russia hoax again today? >> up in one. don't dare the special counsel, don't ever dare anybody in the doj to make their case stronger against you by calling it a hoax. and it is ironic that he cause it a hoax, the facebook ads issue. because legally speaking, it is probably least likely to be a hoax. and i use the word probably because facebook was served with a warrant. as an attorney, i've dealt with trying to subpoena things from facebook. they say no way. facebook takes he the position that when it comes to disclosing
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this, the fourth amendment and a case out of the sixth circuit, requires a warrant and probable cause. that means a neutral detached magistrate, a federal manning straight, had to make a finding that it was more likely than not that it was evidence of a crime and that a warrant should be issued. so it is somewhat odd that president trump calls it a hoax. in case of the facebook ads, at least, it is very likely that a judge signed off on exactly that issue. that there may be evidence of a crime there. >> i like the mention at this point, i have a family member who works in facebook which i try to work in when facebook becomes the topic of conversation. what does it mean that 21 states had the russians, or russian interests, at least, knocking on the door of their i.t. systems, trying get to i.t. data bases? and remember, the specific things our election was interfered with. >> this is the world we're living in.
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my big question is are we ready for 2018? 2020? this is going to happen again. the associated press likened this to a burglar who circles the house but doesn't actually break in. what about if they fwlaek? there was very little evidence. maybe they should be looking into something like this which experts say this is one of the biggest threats we're facing. no reason to think it has gone away. these weeks last as long as a year. what's the one thing about the mueller effort that you learned this week that piqued your interest in. >> definitely the facebook warrants. for me. that took it out of realm of maybe there's collusion. maybe one of his advisers had tax problems or dealings with the russian government. the exist tense of a warrant, and i hate to go back to what i just talked about. somewhere out there there was a determination of probable cause. and that's very significant.
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that means, that goes beyond just the doj or special counsel saying there might be something out there. now, a court has gotten involved. >> and now mueller's team we believe is at full capacity. 16, 17 co-counsels. most if not all experts in their feed. the kind of lawyers that have been weaving in and out of private practice and public life. >> no doubt of the it is an a-team. i think the way they've handled the manafort situation suggests. that there's what is known as a no knock warrant. you can only get if you show there's probable cause that the person is going to destroy evidence. inside there. and prosecutors have talked about how the way they've handled this, suggesting telling him, telling manafort they're going to indict him is what do you when you try on get a witness to flip. to rat on their colleagues to. divulge information. they're probably looking for a
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bigger fish. who is the bigger fish than the president's campaign chairman? >> they're taking pictures of the clothing in your closet, all in the pre dawn hours of the morning. our great thanks to both gentlemen. thank you very much. coming up, with the president throwing his weight behind one of these twoe republican candidates in this alabama senate race, what will it mean for the vote next week? steve kornacki is back with us. he's brought his big board. all of it when we come right back. ♪ new band-aid® brand skin-flex™, bandages. our best bandage yet! it moves like a second skin. better? yeah. good thing because stopping never crosses your mind. band-aid® brand. stick with it™
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incumbent. back with us, our national political correspondent, steve kornacki, at the big board, to breaks down whether trump's rally was enough. >> we've got trump, steve bannon here. why do we have steve bannon here? what is so interesting about what trump is trying to pull off in alabama, he is trying to convince his base voters, the bannon base, to go for the establish candidate. roy moore is the candidate, that's who bannon is behind. so trump is trying to get his base to go for the establishment candidate. what does that look like? it is a run-off election on tuesday. the top two, moore and strange, advanced. here's the key. mo brooks, he is eliminated of
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the he got 20%. two things to keep in mind. one, he has since endorsed roy moore. so roy moore got the most votes. the candidate who was eliminated endorsed roy moore. and no coincidence, that is probably going to be the area in alabama that decides this race. but luther strange is running from behind. mo is the anti-establishment candidate. trump is trying to make a case to the grassroots that it is okay to go with an establishment candidate. if there is something that can pull that off, it is probably donald trump. the approval rating is nothing to write home about. in alabama, it is stronger, 55%. but alabama republicans. they're theon ones voting on tuesday. he is at almost 90% with them. he won the primary in alabama by
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2-1. this is the heart of trump country here. so it is an interesting test on tuesday. can donald trump get those voters, some of the most loyal voters out there. can he get them to resist? roy moore, and to go with the guy that the establishment wants. fascinating dynamic there. >> you're right. thank you. great numbers tonight. learned a lot there. thank you. another break for us. we're back with the trouble in the trump cabinet tonight.
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welcome back to our broadcast a member of the trump cabinet is in trouble for his frequent use of private jets and tonight had the white house did not go out of its way to defended him. politico reported that tom price a former georgia republican congressman who is now secretary of health and human services has traveled by private plane 24 times. they're reviewing his travel.
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tonight the white house said it doesn't sign off for cabinet travel referred reporters back to hss for comment. the private plane travel reportedly racked up a tab around $300,000 and it includes a flight from d.c. to philadelphia. two cities that are fewer than 150 miles apart. linked by highways, commercial flights, and the closest thing our country has to high speed rail travel. price's office says they used charters when commercial travel is not feasible. let's talk about it. with us tonight is our own expert on ethics richard painter who was the chief white house ethics lawyer under president george w. bush. richard let's establish private jets are great, if you can afford one, you're free to fly them all you want before
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government service, you can fly them all you want after government service, what is the ethical problem flying them while you work for the government? >> well, the ethical problem for me is i'm a taxpayer and i don't appreciate having my tax money used to pay cabinet officers around on private jets $20,000 a pop some of these flights cost. they go commercial air. that's what we did in the bush administration and the bush white house kept a close eye on that. i was involved in that. we made sure people were not using charter planes for anything unless it was absolutely necessary. traveling to a part of the country this was inaccessible with commercial aircraft. last minute type of situation like that. but very, very circumstances would they approve of someone using a jet like this.
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and billing it not government. we kept a eye what's going on with the cabinet officers. the white house can't just refer it to hhs. he reports in the president of the united states and there should be some supervision here. this is just a waist of money. they're blowing our money right in and out the door. this isn't the only cabinet member. we've had the treasury secretary wanting to go on his honey moon on a jet and took a jet out to view the eclipse and i guess inspect the gold at fort knocks. it's excessive. we've had other problems with price. he was trading in health care company stock while he was sitting on a committee passing health care legislation. he has no sense of the appearances that come from this type of conduct and the same
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with a lot of other people in the administration. it's really quite shocking. i think he need to be fired and put on the first greyhound bus back home. >> richard i'm asked all the time, some version of but who do we see about this, who's going to do something about this, who's going to raise the complaint? is it you and the group of lawyers you've put together who file legal cases? where does this go other than the inspectors general of the cabinet department. do you have faith in those men and women to carry this out to the end? >> they'll find what they find and make recommendations, but it's the president of the united states who has the responsibility to shut this down. and as i say if this had happened in the bush administration he would have been fired. we would not have put up with someone using taxpayer money this way.
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they work hard for the money they turn over to the government. taxes are high. and we expect something for our money. and this is unacceptable. you know he could have taken a amtrak train to philadelphia, fly a jet up there, corporate jet, bill that to the taxpayer, it's a insult to the american people. the bottom line is this is the president's responsibility to take care of it. if he won't, congress needs to have hearings and investigate this. and if congress wants to sit on their can and do nothing, we may have to vote them on out of there. they're certainly not fiscal conservatives, people who put up with this. they just want to waste our money. >> because of your years in the law, how will mueller and mueller's team and perhaps even the two congressional investigations view the president's choice to go back today to the plot line that russia is a hoax? >> well, it's obviously not a
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hoax. i mean, we now find that the russians had multiple ways that they were trying to throw this election in favor of president trump. it's clearly not a hoax. every time he says that, he makes it appear that he is trying to undermine the investigation. and in fact he has been trying to undermine the investigation. he fired the fbi director to obstruct the investigation. he told his son to lie to obstruct the investigation. we're getting fed up with this. i've been a republican for 30 years. i would like to see a good republican president. but this is not acceptable to allow foreign power to infill trait our elections like this and go in front of that crowd down there and say it's a hoax. he's just making a fool of himself. and that's not what we expect out of a president. and the only person laughing right now is vladimir putin. >> richard painter thank you so much.
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as always for coming on the broadcast when we call you, especially when there's a topic like there is tonight from the law in the news. richard painter our great thanks. one last item before we go tonight. tonight's advisory from the national weather service to people in a heavily populated section of puerto rico warns of a extremely dangerous situation, evacuate now, they've been told, your lives are in danger. they're talking about the predicted total failure of a 90 year old dam that holds water back from area of about 70,000 people. the problem is there's no phones, no social media, 95% of the cell towers are gone, there's no power, there's no television, no radio, no way to tell everyone what might be coming. as of last night, the governor of puerto rico hadn't been able to reach out to his own parents on the island to see if they were okay. it's getting dire and it's going
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to get much worse sadly in terms of contamination, the need for food, water, power and medical care. the 3.5 million american citizens on puerto rico need help. perhaps at this point after this disaster it's helpful to point this out. puerto ricoiance have always served the u.s. military in disproportionate numbers relative to their population in the united states. put another way, they have always been at the front of the line to answer the call and now the call has gone out to help puerto rico. this is our broadcast on a friday night and for this week thank you so much for being here with us. have a good weekend and gone from nbc headquarters in new york.
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feeling the pressure. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. the special counsel's probe is close in on the white house and with each turn of the vice robert mueller makes it more clear that the president is at risk. also today senator john mccain of arizona has dealt what could be a death blow to the republican plan to repeal obamacare. mccain announced that he can't in good conscience vote for the republican plan which was scheduled to come up for a vote
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