tv The 11th Hour With Brian Williams MSNBC September 25, 2017 11:00pm-12:00am PDT
plus protesters in wheelchairs dragged out by capitol hill police after disrupting a hearing on health care, but the entire effort may have just been killed by a no vote from senator collins of maine. north korea says trump's v from senator collins of maine. and north korea says trump's kmepts are a declaration of war. the white house says that's absurd. this is the 11th on a monday night. as we start off a new week, good evening to you once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 249 of the trump administration. eight months into this administration and we have several looming crises we are covering tonight all going on at the same time. there is high anxiety over what will become of health care as the latest effort to repeal and replace obamacare appears to be dead in the water. there is high anxiety over north korea and their read of our president's words as a
declaration of war. and anxiety over 3.5 million merpts in perfectly and in the dark tonight as a real humanitarian crisis is growing now in puerto rico. but through most of this weekend into today, the president's priority has been the national football league. his comments about owners and players who have taken to taking a knee during the anthem as a civil rights protest. so it was an interesting visual tonight from arizona prior to cardinals cowboys when the cowboys' owner, jerry jones whose company, by the way, donated a million dollars to the trump inauguration led his players and coaching staff before a chorus of boos and before the anthem which they then stood for. the president returned to the subject on twitter 15 times from friday night through today. seven of those were just today. here now his original comments
from that rally in alabama friday night. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out. he's fired. he's fired. that's a total disrespect of our heritage. that's a total disrespect of everything that we stand for. okay? >> the president had more for reporters at the white house. >> this is a great, great country and we have a great flag, and they should respect our flag. they're making a lot of money. i'm not begrudging anything. i'm just saying they have to respect our flag and they have to respect our country. >> then just today the white house defended those same comments saying trump is not against anyone and for the flag and the anthem. >> look, this isn't about the president being against anyone, but this is about the president and millions of americans being for something, being for
honoring our flag, honoring our national anthem and honoring the men and women who fought to defend it. >> did the president go too far in referring to these players as sobs who should be fired? >> i think that it's always appropriate for the president of the united states to defend our flag, to defend the national anthem and to defend the men and women who fought and died to defend it. >> is he trying to wage something of a culture war? >> want at all. the president is not talking about race. the president is talking about pride in our country. >> colin kaepernick became the first player in the nfl to take a knee during the national anthem he said in protest of police brutality against black americans. others joined in. after the president's comments on friday, many more players from several teams decided to kneel during the anthem. today the white house press secretary their protests may be miss directed. >> i think if this is -- the debate is really for them about police brutality they should probably protest the officers on the field that are protecting them instead of the american
flag. >> sarah, can you just clarify, are you encouraging nfl players to protest police? >> no, no. that's not what i'm saying. i was kind of pointing out the hypocrisy of the fact that if the goal is and the message is that of police brutality which they stated, then that doesn't seem very appropriate to protest the american flag. i'm not sure how those two things would be combined. >> there were complaints throughout the weekend and today, and this is the important part, that the president had made this his priority. it's been his obsession on social media for days, after all, and many viewed the president as ignoring the 3.5 million american citizens in genuine perfectly on the island of puerto rico. tonight he finally took on the subject of puerto rico on twitter, but in a manner briceingly free of empathy, sympathy or compassion. he said this, quoted, texas and
florida are doing great, but puerto rico, which was already suffering from broken infrastructure and massive debt, is in deep trouble. it's old electrical grid, which was in terrible shape, was devastated. much of the island was destroyed with billions of dollars owed to wall street and the banks, which sadly, must be dealt with. food, water and medical are top priorities and doing well. hashtag fema. that's what we got on puerto rico tonight. the president said more about football during the day. tonight politico has some reporting on why the president has decided to go deep on this issue of the nfl. they report that, quote, those around the president say he sees the issue as a way to reconnect with his base. he knows it will get people stirred up and talking about it, a senior administration official said. republican political strategist steve submit was having none of it today. quote, i man who attacks the freedoms of speech, assembly and the press is now the defender of
the flag? don't let trump hijack our sacred symbol. >> billion, let's bring in our starting panel tonight. carl banks, 12 year veteran linebacker in the league, a member of two of the giants' super bowl teams. a challenging job they are 0-3. william row den, long time new york times sports columnist now a writer at large forest peen. welcome to you all. carl, you get to go first. sports are usually a unifying force in our society. just as separately the military habits big mixing bowel. what happened this weekend? what happened to your sport? >> well, the sport unified against someone is trying to mock it and make these athletes
unamerican when he himself criticized john mccain and said he's not a hero. he criticized a gold star family and said but we're, the athletes are the bad guys now because we're standing for social justice and racial equality. >> and where did this sub plot come in? how did it get mixed up that if you take a knee you're somehow anti-military. >> well, that's just a narrative. and bill and i were talking in the back. it's a little bit of miss direction. it's the triple option, faking hand office getting us to focus on all the wrong things. >> maybe he can teach that to elie. >> come on, bill. you've got to let it go. >> third straight bad week. >> yes. >> bill, let's talk about that miss direction because by tonight this has gotten mixed up with some vague sense of being anti-military on the left. >> like carl said the narrative
has been crazy. i was trying to peg this and there's a lot of miss direction, a lot of smoke and mirrors and this and that. we've got sort of north korea over here with a hydrogen bomb. then we've got this. you really have to focus on what this is. let me just say this. let's start with this concrete thing, the hypocrisy. so now we've got -- and this whole -- now you've got the owners, right, standing by the players locking arms. well, hell, if you guys feel like that, let colin kaepernick in the league. that's the whole point. if you feel so hunky doer about standing with your players, this whole thing started because you're black bawling him. that's where it started with kaepernick. if you feel so strongly about it, don't black ball the guy. let him in the league. >> i get asked this all the time. why isn't he playing? is it politics or physical? >> it's not physical. you look around the league at all the bad quarterback play.
everyone has their, quote, their reasons for not putting him on their roster, but i think the underlying issue is the position that he took and the attention that it brought to the league. now, i will say this. league's media partners didn't have to focus on it because if a streaker ran across the field every day, i mean, every national anthem, they'd find a way not to show that. so there's some complicit in it. but it is a stance that and it's a statement that needs to be made and issues that need to be addressed. so if you want to paint any of these young men who come from communities of color unpate on theic because they want to bring attention to the issues that are plaguing their communities, then so be it. they're no more unamerican than a person who is sitting there in the highest office in the world that talks about doing bad things to women, to criticize john mccain as not being a hero.
he's no more unamerican than that guy is. i can tell you that right now. >> rescue this just by taking this into the political angle. i don't mean to call for a judgment on your part. i know it's not your reporting. do you believe the thrust of what politico is saying, as if theirs a rainy day list. when health care is going down, when puerto rico is a mess and you're locked in a verbal war of words with the north korean leader, was this a miss direction for a friday night rally in alabama? >> i will just say that this is not the first time that president trump or candidate trump has picked a feud, has found a feud that feeds his base, gets a con of attention. look at the gold star family. that fight broke out immediately as the democratic convention was ending and president trump was able to ride that and get all of the coverage for about a week. now, a lot of people said he's making a terrible mistake. you don't take on a gold star family. what we've learned from what --
what president trump learned from his campaign experience is he can take on all these sacred people. he goes after john mccain, megyn kelly, fox news. it's a pattern. he picks feuds. he thrives on feuds. >> carl, there was something a little bit more worrisome if that's possible approximate and more insidious later in the president's comments from alabama, and this to me speaks to be a real exi steshl moment for the nfl in the next couple of years as the kids grow older and come to the big leagues. we'll run what the president said about the leng, bemoeng the leng of violence in the nfl. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> today if you hit too hard, right, they hit too hard, 15 yards, throw him out of the game. they had that last week. i watched for a couple of minutes. two guys just really beautiful
tackle, boom, 15 yards. the referee gets on television. his wife is sitting at home. she's so proud of him. they're ruining the game, right? >> cte is the name of the brain disorder that has led a couple of veteran players, one very recently, not only to take their own lives but to do so by shooting themselves in the chest knowing they want to preserve their brain. >> yes. >> for study. it is a huge crisis in the nfl. what did you make of that? >> it's tone deaf. it's one of the dumbest things you can say right now with everything -- player safety is the most important aspect of football right now. it's a contact sport. they want kids to enjoy it. they want them to enjoy it for a long time to adults. and some will pro or college players. the league doesn't want to see players suffering from cte. that's why they're ut
approximating these rules in place. i'm not sure what era he's watching in football these days that it's not enjoyable unless guys are knocking themselves out like two rams. that's the football of the 60s. >> bill, when you make this gesture, that means head to head collision usually. >> yeah. listen, again, getting back to the miss direction thing at a certain pont you really can't take this guy seriously. he's all over the place. and by the way, now, he's in huntsville, alabama, and half the audience is probably alabama fans. the other fansz are auburn fans, both of which teams are overwhelmingly black or black kids, right. and so they're all saying hey yeah, yeah, but if they ever take away football, if they take away alabama football and auburn football, they're going to did he collar a national day of mourning in alabama. that's why i'm saying this whole argument is drenched in hypocrisy from sort of the top to the bottom. >> but it's the fight that he wants us to focus on and we took
the bait. but let's not forget that there are americans, puerto rico that needs help, okay, and they need attention. right. let's worry about that. let's worry about health care for know. getting something that works for everybody. this was an easy one for him. he got everybody to focus on it because he knew that we would unite against it. but let's not take our eye off the ball. when they run the option, you catch the quarterback, you kill the play. >> again, give all this advice to eli. tamara, help us out again. this has worked as a planned distraction. luckily we have an hour of air time tonight. we've divided it among this, north korea, health care and american citizens in puerto rico. but this is going to stick. there was a lot of journalism over the weekend about the
presidents that used to lift us up as part of the job description. >> yes. and this president has chosen a different tack. president trump has certainly chosen a course where he at times seeks out division and that is certainly part of what's going on here. now, you know, the interesting thing is that coming out of charlottesville he took a huge although of heat after his remarks about charlottesville and the racially charged violence that happened there. he said sort of his make good after that was to say that he hoped that patriotism would send of mend the racial divisions in america and he really talked up patriotism. and now patriotism is the way the white house has turned this argument, to say that what's happening on the field and what the president is talking about is only about patriotism. it's a very absoluteist view of what patriotism might mean.
>> last word from bill -- >> here is what i think, though. what the president has done is got everybody on the defensive. i think this is a team when all the pro leagues, the nfl, major league baseball, nba, what do we do now? the whole world is looking at us. if you're major league baseball and 33% of your players are from the caribbean or from central america, whatever, and you've got the caribbean and puerto rico, let's now do something. because thars a vacancy in leadership. and in this vaekance of leadership, now i think it's the nfl -- let's do something. so the leader has got to say, okay, we've done the dealing, we've done the name-calling. now let's be proactive and do something. nba, same thing. we've got this tremendous platform. forget the name-calling, forget the gestures. we are in a position of doing something. so now i think the thing is to be pro active and now let's do something. let's fill this leadership void.
>> our tremendous thanks to our lead-off panel tonight. two terrific journalists and a guy i wish would just put the uniform back on and go back to work. >> that's not going to happen. >> for our lowly 0-3 new york giants. our thanks. we'll take our fist break tonight and still ahead, the incredible pictures from capitol hill today. don't know whether you've seen this yet where the demonstrators in wheelchairs disrupted a hearing on this latest healthcare bill attempt. the bill is effectively dead as of tonight thanks to a handful of senate republicans. and up next, bob costa is here with us in new york. all that and more. we have an hour to do it. we're just getting started.
welcome back to the 11th hour. we're back with more of our conversation on trump and the nfl. and with us is veteran nbc sports broadcaster and our brend bob cost as. elhost nbc's pregame coverage of super bowl 52 in february. happens to be the 70 time he'll be doing that job. welcome. >> i wasn't aware of all those stats. thanks for bringing me up-to-date. >> we have a staff stat stigs. >> i'm only doing the super bowl because he has to get to pyongyang south korea for his first prime time gig as the host and that starts four days after the super bowl. >> what happened this weekend in your view? >> well, i think trump took the
conversation beyond colin carp neck and the relative handful of others who were protesting social injustice specifically in most cases police mistreatment of african americans, disproportionate justice. too being it beyond that because everyone in the league took an afront when he refers to these guys as sobs. the president of the united states at least prior to now was thought to be the president, the chief executive of all the citizens, not just those who voted for him, not just those who share his every opinion and applaud his every utterance. not just the most rapid portion of his own base. you can disagree with him politically, but he has to respect the citizenry. and he has to respect the basic rights of citizens or at least make an attempt to understand where they're coming from. i understand that a lot of people -- and we're not talking about those who are happy if criminals are on their team and
will cheer if they get to the end zone but somehow want colin kaepernick drawn and kwaurtd. a lot of reasonable people who understand what these protests were about and understand that there are legitimate issues involved nonetheless had some misgivings about them being directly attached to the national anthem because they see the anthem representing a variety of things. not just the nation's flaws and short comings but its ideals and its aspirations. that isn't just about the military or just about the police. it's also about the people who marched across the he had men pet advertise bridge. it's about frederick douglas, who was a patriot who until recently donald trump was under the impression was still with us. not the case. but there is a legitimate argument to be made that you could appeal to more people who are persuadable if you separated the protests from the anthem itself. or if you did like bruce maximum well, an unknown player until
yesterday, baseball player with the oakland a's, rookie, born on a military base in germany, grew up in alabama. he took a knee and placed his hand over his heart during the playing of the national anthem. so he simultaneously making a statement and making it very, very clear that he sees the bigger picture and he respects the varying perspectives. so i understand those who have misgivings about that aspect of it. when you start calling people sobs, when you start did he humanizing them and when you start making it appear as if the definition of patriotism belongs only to those who agree with you, somehow, somehow people who think of themselves as conservatives view themselves as automatically more pate on theic. than those who are moderate or left of center. that isn't necessarily true. >> i saw networks all weekend bleeping the b in sob and i figured it's the president of the united states. a, we're in a fine time where we
have to bleep something by the president. but b, you show the folks what he said and how he said it. a germane question that i don't mean to put you in a bad spot. >> oh, i've been in bad spots before. >> because of your connection with football, because our parent network has a big deal connection with football. how real is the crisis that football faces because of cte? >> oh, i think the crisis is very, very real. and each bit of new information turns out to put the nfl in a more difficult position. they keep saying we don't know everything about it yet. there's more to learn. yes, there is. but where this is going is aparpt. the more we learn, the worse is looks. and even though who enjoy the game, and i know you're a long-time fan. and i'm certainly not going to sell short the drama, the excitement, the strategy, the generational connections, all that stuff is very, very appealing. but evidence is evidence and
common sense is common sense. and those who say, hey, they're ruining the game by trying to make it somewhat safer or those who are paranoid and think there's some kind of liberal conspiracy to sissy fie our great american game, you wonder if those people have been hit upside the head toochb. >> yeah. or if they would allow their sons to play in the same game. >> what may happen is people will continue to watch football. they'll continue to play their fantasy football but they won't want their sons to play. >> tell us what sunday looks like in your view. nothing having to do with the games, all the apparatus of it. >> we saw as you said before, trump has taken this beyond the handful. now it's a reaction to his comments and a show of solidarity among the players. >> more of the jerry jones type thing? >> i think you're going to find more nuanced expressions. and you're going to find more people speaking out. lebron james is asserting himself more and more and he seems to have a grasp of the issues as he matures.
and i think people need to not just make jess toors. they need to make clear the distinctions. we are not disrespecting the military. we understand that most cops are good cops, but there can still be a problem having said that. we understand that this is a great country that offers opportunity and liberty. there's still a distance to go. i think you have to make those things clear so you disarm those who say, hey, love it or leave it or you're disrespecting the flag or you're not pate on theic. the protests and patriotism are recollect siebl. they live side by side. they can. they have in the past. theshtd. >> thank you, my friend. great to say you. >> thank you. >> thanks very much. our friend bob cast as stopping by tonight. up income, a change in topic. north korea argues trump has declared war on him. we'll speak here with a former cia analyst about the very real implications of words in that part of the world.
welcome back to the 11th hour. north korea's foreign minister told reporters that president trump's threats over the weekend aimed at the north korean regime apt to a deck layers of war. he went on to say the north has every right to take counter measures including the right to shoot down u.s. bombers even when they are outside north korean air space. those comments were quickly rejected from the white house
podium today by sarah huckabee sanders. >> we've not declared war on north korea. and frankly, the suggestion of that is absurd. >> let's talk about this and to do so joining us tonight retired four star u.s. army general bare mccaffrey a decorated combat veteran of vietnam. sue my terry is back with us as well former north korean analyst at the cia. general mccaffrey, the north korean kornt threat today got my attention because a guest on a panel last week said it's always a mistake, it's always a fishing boat, it's always a vessel that's in the wrong place. our bombers, while stealth technology, fly on that air route over international waters that the north koreans are talking about. do you fear something bad happening because of a mistake, a bad moment? >> well, sure.
i think, you know, the president's rhetoric has put kim jong-un in a very difficult position with his own people. i think he's concerned his generals will kill him if he looks weak. they have shot down u.s. air force aircraft before. they've captured u.s. naval ship at sea. they've crossed the dmz and tried to asass nature the south korean president. they have learned over the third generation now that they can provoke the united states and south korea and get away with it. i fear a miscalculation could result in war. >> sue my terry, talk about how donald trump's language is heard and received and translated in the north. >> wm, first of all, i agree with everything that the general just said. of course north koreans took everything that president trump said extremely personally. and that was obvious when kim jong-un himself came out with an unprecedented statement, personal, first person. i wrote that whole statement
according to trump doutard and o on. so now kim has taken this very personal am. he has to react so i'm afraid that he has to continue with the provocations and probably an intercontinental ballistic missile test, another one forth domg because as the general said kim jong-un cannot afford to look weak. he cannot afford to look like he's caving under trump's pressure. so i'm afraid that trump's rhetoric, they said rhetoric has been counterproductive in trying to decrease tension. >> general mccaffrey, with your answer to this question i am actually hoping to scare people out of the normalization of this as a topic because this has come down to a gate and i fear people are losing sight of the armaments and the outcome here. let's say the north, god forbid, launched a conventional weapon attack on seoul, south korea,
what would be the death toll be, god forbid, between that moment and the first u.s. ordinance arriving on target or south korean ordinance arriving on target to attack where they launched the attack? >> well, you know, in the short run, brian, there's no question 25 million people in this giant mega lop list of seoul would be under conventional artillery fire from the north within a matter of hours. in the longer run, in six months to a year the south korean armed force and u.s. armed forces would easily destroy the north korean military and take down their dpoft. but it would be a gigantic humanitarian disaster not just in the korean peninsula but probably involve a japanese also. so the conventional war makes no sense. i fear that if kim jong-un miss calculates reacting to the president's rhetoric, where we'll end up to be honest, if we
think we're about to be hit with a nuclear device from north korea, we're going to preempt and hit them with a package of 30 weapons, a disaster. so the question is what do we do now diplomatically, economically, covert action, what do we get the chinese to do to make sure that isn't the outcome. that's where we're headed. 1, 2% chance. we're not likely, but nuclear war is unthinkable. so it's on the table right now. >> and do you agree with that answer from the general and a subset would be how do you walk it back from where we are now? >> well, this is a problem when you really increase rhetoric you make it very personal. i think mr. trump is limiting our own options by talking this way, because right now we're trying to get international coalition together to press the kim regime through sanctions and other measures. but we're now looking at -- so i think this is just really counterproductive, this kind of
rhetoric boxes us in. pause north koreans are going to continue with their nuclear program. they're going to continue to perfect their nuclear arsenal. so what are we going to do? if we don't react, then we look like piper tiger. but if we take military option, it's catastrophic consequences even if we win the war. >> it was part of our attempt to talk about scary things tonight because it is a scary part of the world. our great thanks. thank you both. up next after our next break, what's next for health care as the republicans have apparently failed again on the latest plan to repeal and replace. 11th hour continues right after this.
of thought because there are many problems in the affordable care act that do need to be fixed. however, it was clear to me that the graham/cassidy bill was not the answer. >> with senator susan collins' announcement there tonight, republicans' hopes of repealing and replacing obamacare this round are all but dead. republicans could only afford to lose three votes. as you play know collins now joins fellow republicans rand paul and john mccain. though it sounds like there were problems with cruz and lee as well. collins' announcement came on the heels of a dramatic day on capitol hill where lawmakers held their first and only hearing on graham/cassidy. the start was delayed by protesters in the back of the committee room. there were more in the hallway. those who were able to get inside chanted things like no cuts to medicaid, save our liberty. they were forcibly removed. many of them in wheelchairs.
in all there were 181 arrests there today. let's talk about it here tonight. with us carolyn ryan, assistant editor of the new york times. and matthew news balm, white house reporter for politico. we welcome both back to the broadcast. carolyn, i'll start with you. someone wrote on social media last night that susan collins kwounds the party because she doesn't have a price. she's actually looking at this and thinking on it and deciding what would be best for the state of maine and her constituents. where do you think repeal and replace stands right now tonight? >> it's hit the skids again. and one thing that i'm really struck by, if you read her statement very carefully, she talks about her objections. she talks about the process, which the process was bad. you can make that argue um. but what she really talks about is medicaid and pre-existing conditionsment and what i really think is happening here. we keep seeing these bills come forward and then unravel. the truth is there just isn't a
public constituency for these changes. the republican bills are going after provisions that are broadly popular among the american people. medicaid is popular. protecting people with pre-existing conditions is very popular. so people know that there are problems with obamacare, but these bills don't please anyone except the donor class in the republicans and i think that's where the conflict is. >> matthew, as we talk, i just want to roll in something donald trump sent out tonight. i guess it was a retweet on his account. it's about six minutes of videotape and it's a greatest hits compilation of john mccain over the years -- oh, this came from donald trump's account, though it's got the fox news bug in the other left. john mccain talking about repeal and replace. and you see the message there from the president. john mccain made it clear to "60 minutes" this weekend he's in the window looking at a three to
14% chance of survival from the brain cancer he is now fighting. is this because the white house needs to blame failure on someone they need an enemy? >> i don't think it's because the white house needs an enemy, because if they did, they certainly wouldn't pick john mccain. he's an american hero. he's widely respected, and he's made clear that he's going to stand firm here. lindsey graham is one of his best friends, not just in the senate but on this planet and he's still standing against this bill because he thinks that's the right stangs to take. i think donald trump feels personal an monthsty for him. we saw that on the campaign trail. we've seen that as recently tonight. apparently at this dinner at the white house he said that,up, it's disgraceful what john mccain is doing. he has personal an monthsty towards john mccain and we know with this president more than political calculation, more than what poll numbers say it's his personal relationships, its his gut instincts that drives what
he does and he wants a fight with john mccain. >> yop you're familiarity with the senate and house calendar, but if not now, when. >> it just gets more difficult. there are about five days left with which they can do it and pass this with a simple majority. and it does not look good. i think that's part of the reason why it felt so rushed. to your point about them needing somebody to blame, i do think that the white house is getting ready to blame mitch mcconnell for this, for potentially the alabama senate race and sort of say that they just can't get it done. i do think that they're shifting in some ways. that they're looking for a scapegoat, and i think that will be the next chapter. >> there was a lot of talk of what you just mention odd mr. hannity's show on fox news tonight. a break in this conversation. our guests are staying with us. up next, we will talk about this alabama race tonight, because tonight in alabama it was bannon versus trump. we'll explain.
now, when you look at what president trump has accomplished, you'll see that senator luther strange has been there every step of the way. with senator strange's support, president trump signed more laws to cut through federal red tape than any president in american history. >> every person in this country should get down every night and thank god donald trump is president of the united states. when you walk in that voting booth tomorrow, a vote for judge roy moore is a vote for donald j. trump. >> plenty of praise for president donald j. trump in alabama tonight. hearing that you wouldn't guess that vice president mike pence and steve bannon are actually endorsing different candidates in the senate race there. trump administration is backing luther strange. he is trailing right now. it was luther strange that trump was campaigning for on friday.
mike pence, as you say saw is there for tonight. strange is the incumbent senator for now. remember, he was appointed to fill jeff sessions' seat when session went to washington as attorney general prior to his public humiliation at the hands of donald trump. now, strange is running against former judge roy moore. he has earned the support of former trump adviser steve bannon and others. bannon maintains he still supports his former boss's agenda but not his candidate. back with us, carolyn ryan, matthew news balm. and just in the last couple of minutes, gapping, i have to share this with you. so judge roy moore is on stage in cowboy re gaila tonight in alabama talking about second amendment rights. you'll see what he does. you'll see what happens. >> it's been very hard for my wife and myself to weather two, nearly three months of negative
ads that we couldn't answer with money because we didn't have it. ads that were completely false. and i don't believe in the second amendment. i believe in the second amendment. >> carolyn? look at your face. >> it's astonishing. i guess to mangle ts elliott this race is ending not with a whifrper, but with a bang. >> that's why you work for "the new york times." >> that is an incredible moment. and if you think about roy moore, he is this kind of conservative folk hero and he is provocative, but that is astonishing. that is unexpected. >> matthew, your turn. >> it's an alabama senate race so i'd say just about anything is expected. and this is a guy who -- he's an extremist by i think my measure. u mitch mcconnell, vice president mike pence, president
donald trump all travel down there in a primary to stop this guy from winning. he thinks homosexual conduct should be illegal. that's not guy marriage. that's just home sexuality in general. republicans up here are trembling about the prospect of him being a u.s. senator. i think he showed why right there. >> well, caroline, the question becomes can you make a case why this is any more of a national laboratory than just a test of the alabama red republican base? will this have any legs? >> absolutely. it's got huge reverb ragsz potentially. look at how the senate leadership is spending. they want to shut down roy moore. they want to keep him out of bausht. they want to protect luther strange. but what they really want to do is send a message to bannon and the rebelous kind of base of the party that they can't go after their sitting incouple bentsz. remember, this is a conflict. it's culture al. it's ideologicalen the
republican party. mitch mcconnell cannot afford to be putting out these kinds of fires all over the country in 2018. so they see this as a much bigger referendum on their candidates, on the party as it stands and on their ability to kind of fight off these conservative rebels. >> matthew, bannon went on fox news tonight and said that really moor is kind of a tribute to donald trump and in what carolyn just said, he was warning that mcconnell spending $30 million in the state of alabama to avoid senator roy moore. >> yes. mr. bannon's argument is a little straj. he's basically saying roy moore is the real trump candidate. trump has somehow been duped by mitch mcconnell into supporting luther strange, but don't be fooled by that. i don't really follow the argument. but the point that this matters for 2018 is exactly correct. because if roy moore wins the primary tomorrow, he's probably going to win the race. it's in balm. but in states like z arizona, in
nevada, indiana, north dakota. if they run candidates that are far right extremist mold as roy moore they're not going to win those seats and that's what scarce republican leaders so much. >> that video we've been watching over and over will be a people if it isn't already certainly by the top of the hour of the our great thanks to our panel tonight. terrific conversation. glad we could witness a moment of alabama political history with both of you. carolyn ryan, mat news balm jts thank you. coming up the dire and desperation situation unfolding in puerto rico which tonight remains dark and waiting for relief. that when the 11th hour continues.
last thing before we go here tonight, an update on what is an emerging humanitarian crisis in puerto rico, home to 3.5 million american citizens. and please remember it was puerto rico that offered safe haven to regional victims of hurricane irma. right before they were hit. there's still no power other than generators, no water other than what's arriving on pallets every day. did it toe food. medical care is scarce. it's short. it's in short supply. there's not enough there to support human life times 3.5 million for any amount of time. there's a satellite photo that helps tell this story.
in the top frame, the lights of puerto rico at night before the storm. on the bottom, puerto rico tonight, the only visible lights are thanks to generators. there is a so-called air bridge opening up. the u.s. air national guard and the other uniformed services have starred a relief supply chain. it means that military installing temporary radar at the san juan airport as all aircraft approach technology was destroyed by the storm. the airport itself is home to well over a thousand hungry, thirsty, tired and homeless american citizens. there are worries about insulin that can't be kept cold, babies that can't be nourished. surgeries that can't be performed. babies born into unsanitary conditions. and worries about crime and unrest. yes, the kind borne of absolute desperation. and things are getting desperate in puerto rico. they will remain in our thoughts and prayers and in our continuous coverage. that is, for us, our broadcast
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