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there were 10-foot walls boxing us in. >> here's what we know. at least 50 people are dead and more than 400 were rushed how local hospitals. after a gunman opened fire on an outdoor country music festival from the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay resort and hotel. the 64-year-old stephen paddock died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound before the s.w.a.t. members stormed his hotel room. at least ten rifles were found there. investigators are also actively searching his home in mesquite, nevada, in a retirement community more than an hour outside of las vegas. police now have located the shooter's companion, marilou danley outside the country. they do not believe she had any involvement in the shooting. our team of nbc reporters are closely following the latest developments. msnbc's joe friar is in las vegas in the mandolay bay hotel on one of the top floors where
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the four seasons resort is. joe, you're on lockdown there. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. we have been under lockdown since 10:30 p.m. local time. i was sleeping in a room on the other side of things, got a call from my producer when we started to hear about this, but a lot of people who were especially on this side of the hotel could obviously hear the gunshots. the four seasons sort of has a few floors in the upper level of this mandalay bay tower, but below is mandolay bay rooms and that way is the mandoalay bay room. the sun is coming up and creating reflection on the window, but it is in this direction where the country music festival was happening. there were 22,000 people down there. the sheriff says when the man started opening fire in that direction. it was basically the peak of this route 91 harvest music
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festival. jason aldean, the headliner, was performing at that time. when we looked down there before the shooting happened, it was shoulder to shoulder, it was loud, people were having a good time. people came from all over the country for the music festival. i heard from a friend from seattle here, she's doing okay, but witnessed a lot of things pretty devastating for her. so people have come from all over. there were bakersville police department, from california, about four hours from here. an off duty police officer was down there, one of the officers according to bakersville police was shot, nonlife-threatening injuries. this was a huge husbamusic fest. 22,000 people were there as this man fired from bird's eye view. >> this was a three-day music festival. so the fact that jason aldean was on the stage at the moment, that's when the crowd was the biggest. so the shooter who checked into the hotel september 28th, if you
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got inside his mind and thought about the strategy, this is when you would have maximum impact. some people actually thought when they first heard shots fired, it may have been a fireworks show, which would be common at an event like this. >> reporter: yeah, unfortunately, we have covered enough mass shootings these days, we hear a lot that people think it is fireworks or firecrackers, that is the initial reaction. then people started to realize this was a gunman. and imagine you're down there in this situation, in the moment, you don't know where this gunfire is coming from. which direction do you run in. plus, it's crowded to begin with, so it is hard to even move in any direction. and everyone sort of is fenced in by the barriers they have put up to keep everyone in the festival in that little one-block area. so it's -- definitely as crowded as it probably could have been. people have been here all weekend enjoying the concert. and that was definitely one of the big draws, stephanie. >> just think about this. the shooter was 32 floors above
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shooting down at this open area. and open area for him, but for those concert goers, they were essentially pinned in, the open field, 22,000 people standing through looking up at that stage. with really the only thing to protekct them, some vendors and port-a-potties and areas of protection under the stage. as we talked to people there, as they spent the following minutes running for cover, the only time there was a pause is when they heard the shooter reloading. i want to bring in an eyewitness to the shooting whose family friend was indeed injured. megan guinn is joining me. we are relieved to hear you are safe, but please, tell us about your friend. >> we don't know. we haven't heard any update. we just know that she was shot in the face. that's all we have heard. cell phone service down there is really bad. there's still people -- i got lucky and got out, but there's still a lot of people stuck in the hotels they escaped to.
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>> where exactly were you when all this happened? i was. >> on the fairgrounds, i was on the right side of the stage in the back. and, like, you heard, it sowned like it was firecrackers. all we saw was smoke. the first round went off, we thought it was firecrackers. the second round went off, everyone started running and ducking for cover. you had people that were getting trampled. i just found a bunch of people in a group and we just all got down as low as we could and luckily there were some police officers that actually laid over the women that were there to make sure they wouldn't get shot at. >> so hold on a second, you laid on the ground and the police officers got on top of you? >> we had some off duty cops that we all thought it was firecrackers, and the second -- two men carried a woman shot in the abdomen and chest over by us. when they knew it was gunshots, they laid over top of us every time a round was fired to make sure the women around them were safe. >> by your estimation, and i understand you're not a gun
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expert, how many rounds did it sound like were fired? >> there were hundreds of rounds fired. you would have about 10 to 15 shots fired. you would have about 10 seconds or so in there and then another round would get fired. you had just enough time once one stopped to try to run to the closest safe spot if you could find something else covered. >> what was a safe spot? where exactly did you go? >> we went to behind one of the vendor stands that was all metal. we stopped there. there were more people shot. everyone was huddled together over top of each other. the second that round was stopped, we booked it into a bar. and that's when you could see just how many people were shot. i helped carry a woman who was shot in the foot out to where behind the cop cars were in the middle of the street. you had people lying with gunshot wounds. >> your friend who was injured, did she go to the concert with you? >> we went with her the last two
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nights. my husband stayed home tonight. so i went with other friends. so i was not up where she was, where she got shot. but we were lucky enough that we were far enough back that we were able to take cover really quickly. >> and when you made your way out, how was it that you even stayed with your group? how did you find your way out? >> we actually lost two people that were in our group. my sister-in-law was with me. we made sure to hold hands and run as fast as we could to take cover and run to the closest hotel because we were afraid being in the street with the cops that we were still going to be shot at. >> the two people that you lost, have you spoken to them since? >> yes, we have talked to them and both of them are safe. >> when you were making your way out, in addition to the gunshots, you said it was pure panic. were there people who have been trampled? >> there were people who were trampled. people were falling over when running away. that's why i tried to stay on
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the ground. because it was pure chaos the second people started bolting. it was just like a herd of people. it was like something out of a movie. it didn't seem real. >> now, i want to ask you, you said you could see smoke, at any point could you look up and see that open hotel window? >> i did. i couldn't see the open window, but when i was finding cover to sit up, i could see the light from where the shots were being fired. >> what went through your head? >> i thought i was going to die. i called my mom and called my husband telling them i loved them. and that i didn't know if i was going to make it home. >> megan, we're glad to hear that you have. and our thoughts and prayers are with your friend. >> thank you. >> now i'm going to turn back to nbc's steve paterson who is in las vegas and has been there reporting all night. steve, give us the update. >> reporter: stephanie, it appears that much of the las vegas strip in this area has
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reopened to foot traffic. so a lot of people that were locked out of their hotels at one point are now filtering back in, which means a lot of the folks who were at that horrific scene have sort of filtered through here. obviously, you have been talking to them all morning, but we have heard horrific stories of people who have made a way to survive. and a lot of people have done it in the worst ways possible, by laying in piles of bodies or hiding in bushes or running to hotel rooms and barging in doors, just anything so they weren't in the range of that gunfire. when that gunfire erupted, a lot of people had no idea what it was. frankly, i think a lot of people had never heard automatic gunfire in that way. so a lot of people thought it was firecrackers, a lot of people thought it was part of the show as the country music set was well underway. and then when people started realizing this was automatic gunfire spraying down from above, like you mentioned, there
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was a panic. a lot of people we spoke to said, there was a massive stampede. and a lot of the injuries resulting from that, resulting not from the gunfire above, but the panic below. the panic then filtered out into the greater las vegas area onto the strip where there is already so many people moving up and down, reveling and enjoying the night. suddenly, they hear reports of gunfire and the stampede of people filtering onto the strip. so police had to do something quickly, which is to lockdown the area as soon as humanly possible. they did that, basically, as soon as they started locking down this area, they started using it as a staging area. so we saw people being loaded on stretchers, we saw first responders filtering in and out. and was saw police in riot gear going to every property in the area, making sure that it was secure. and they went floor to floor to floor as joe friar is stuck up there in one of the hotel rooms. he can tell you that they
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personally checked each hotel room. so this was just a massive operation following the shooting. now the sun has risen onto what is really such an erie sight for the las vegas strip. most of it shut down. most of it are first responders and the noises from first responders and the blue and red lights from emergency responders. >> steve, on your screen is the first official confirmed photograph of the shooter, stephen paddock, a 64-year-old who lived in mesquite, nevada n a retirement community, made his way to las vegas, checking into the mandalay bay on september 28th where he stayed until last night when he opened fire on that concert where 22,000 people stood in front of the stage. at this point, 50 people are confirmed dead. over 400 in area hospitals. and mr. paddock died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. tom costello is in washington.
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tom, tell us more of what do we know about mr. paddock. >> well, here's the problem, weapon don't know a whole heck of a lot. all the evidence would suggest that he's almost a contrarian profile of a mass shooter. we have had several photos we have seen over the last few hours of mr. paddock, 64 years old. and his family is dumbfounded by the reports that he was involved in the mass shooting. he had, to our knowledge, according to police, no criminal history other than a summons that he was issued. we don't know if that was for a traffic issue or what may have been evolved in that, but that is about it. we believe that he, we have some evidence to suggest that he was a pilot or held a pilot's license and had a hunting license. nothing out of the ordinary, although accord on the police department there in las vegas, he had at least ten rifles inside that hotel room that he checked into back on thursday. and then also several handguns that he had purchased recently
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as well. so all of this, at least the profile of him that we have seen so far, is really kind of non-eventful or nothing that would really raise any eyebrows at face value. as for the investigation, as you would expect, the las vegas p.d. is in charge, helped by the fbi, the atf, the state authorities as well. and we know that the suspect killed himself according to the police before police actually were able to storm the room. they were on their way to the room when apparently he shot himself. but through that vantage point, look at the view he would have had from the 32nd floor out his hotel window down to the outside mass audience of people there. >> tom, let's help our audience, because in addition to looking at stephen paddock on the right, on the left you can see the window open. what that is is the room on the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay where the glass was broken
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through. and when you see something moving, that's the curtain. the curtain from that room. if you could speak to this, that vantage point, a 1700-foot range. he's 32 stories up with over ten rifles in that room. the access he had to 22,000 concert goers. >> reporter: yeah, the experts say he would have had, that would have been well within the range, which seems obviously at this point to spray the crowd below. and here's what was just absolutely horrific for the people on the ground. they had very few ways to escape. they were out in that open theater, open arena type of environment to watch an outside performance. the performers on the stage were able to quickly dive for cover, but if you're out there watching the performance, there wasn't any place to go. because they were kind of hemmed in by the walls and the fencing and the kiosks, if you will, that surrounded the outdoor performing area. and there are very few points of entry and exit because they wanted to limit those to ticket
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goers. as a result, he was able to spray deadly fire from that 32nd floor window on your left down onto that crowd of 22,000. the other stunning number, stunning, 50 people dead, 406 transported by the fire department, by the ems personnel on the ground. 406. i suspect that we have not had that kind of a mass casualty response in this country, treating that many people at once, since 9/11. certainly, it doesn't seem like it. you would have to go back and check all the numbers, but my gosh, the horror to have that many victims that you're trying to treat, if you are with the police department, with the fire department, it must have been astounding. we need to call out the law enforcement personnel on the ground by all accounts
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exuberated enormous bravery. as you see time and time again, the police officers ran toward the threat to try to immediately address the threat, put themselves in the line of fire. that is true heroism in this country. and by the way, not just police officers, but firefighters and paramedics, everybody on the ground. >> tom, we need to note as we learn from the commissioner bratton earlier, even those wearing protective gear, your average police vest would not be able to protect you from the type of bullet, from the type of firearms that were used. many of the semiautomatic weapons can shoot bullets through multiple people. so even those wearing vests. and just moments ago we spoke to an eyewitness that said between rounds, the police officers that were there had women on the ground and they were laying on top of them to protect them from the gunfire. so we cannot overstate the acts of heroism as the las vegas police department ran towards
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this attack. and remember, these shots were being fired from above 32 stories above. it was a very, very difficult situation to defend. 22,000 people in an open area, essentially, pinned in. >> reporter: can we go back two photos? i don't know if this is technically possible, but the fire department medics were wearing vests as well and helmets. now, listen, they weren't just handed out at the scene. unfortunately, in this country, mass casualty shooting situations have become so commonplace that the nation's most proactive and forward-leaning fire departments now have created their own special units. the tactical ems units they are called, almost like a medical s.w.a.t. team, quite literally these guys are trained to dawn that special -- >> right there. watch it come through here, the it says fire medic. these guys are wearing protective bullet-proof vests and helmets as part of the
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special tactical fire department ems teams that are ready at a moment's notice to respond. >> i think this is the photo right here you're talking about. >> reporter: that's exactly it. >> just 15 minutes ago, we spoke to the former sheriff from las vegas who said while on active duty, he was the one who pressed for them to have s.w.a.t. teams for las vegas police to have more training. because with 45 million tourists that come to las vegas every year, and the open air concerts, the massive venues, they are right to be a soft target for something like this. >> reporter: the littleton fire department in littleton, colorado, was among the first to create a so-called tems unit, tactical ems unit. after the columbine massacre in littleton, colorado, the littleton fire department created their own tactical ems unit for exactly that reason. because these incidents are becoming far too common in america. and the firefighters, the paramedics need to also have
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protective gear to deal and treat with people on the ground. >> tom, we'll share some of the numbers, you mentioned the columbine shooting, april 20th, 1999, where 13 people were killed, 24 wounded. the university of texas tower shooting, august 1, 1966, 14 people killed, 31 wounded. the mcdonald's shooting in california, july 18th, 1984, 21 killed, 19 wounded. the list goes on and on. we think last year the pulse nightclub shooting where 49 people were killed and more than 50 wounded. and now here we are in las vegas last night, at least 50 people now confirmed dead with 400 being treated in area hospitals. let's go back to steve patterson on the ground in las vegas all night. speaking to eyewitnesss who were there when the deadly shooting occurred. steve? >> reporter: stephanie, the sun has risen now, much of the las
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vegas strip is shut down, but we are seeing pedestrian foot traffic. take a look back here, the sun is glaring. i'm not sure how well you can see this, but the police have shut much of this scene and condensed it into what you see now. which is is a few squad cars and police are meeting back there. if you push on even further back beyond the tropicana, you will see the scene close ore the mandalay hotel where the horrific shooting was. this is where a lot of the staging took place throughout the night. we saw the fire trucks come in, the emt workers and people being loaded on stretchers. and we saw police in full riot gear. a lot of times armed with long guns. a lot of times leaning against squad cars because they didn't know which way fire was coming. and also, they had so many reports overnight of multiple locations where gunfire had broke out. thankfully, those turned out not to be true and police were able to focus on just one scene. but as this was erupting and happening, police were so scattered because they were
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getting so many calls in the city of las vegas. they had to respond to so much. so the response by police and emts was incredible. and speaking to the victims, we said, they told us that the response was really swift. and they were able to, obviously, find a way out. a lot of times because of the response on the ground, stephanie. >> extraordinary and heroic effort by the police. in less than ten minutes at 10:30 eastern, president trump will be giving official remarks following the shooting. we did hear from the president earlier on twitter. he put out a comment, my warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims and families of the terrible las vegas shooting. god bless you. there was an official statement from the white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders, quote, the president has been briefed on the horrific tragedy in las vegas. we are monitoring the situation closely and offer full support to state and local officials. all of those affected are in our thoughts and prayers.
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vice president mike pence and ivanka trump put out statements as well as jason aldean, remember, he was the headliner on the stage when the deadly attack took place. he said via instagram, tonight has been beyond horrific. i still don't know what to say but wanted to let everyone know that me and my crew are safe. my thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved tonight. it hurts my heart this would happen to anyone just coming to it to enjoy what should have been a fun night. heartbroken. last night i spoke to a man who was an eyewitness to the shooting and the father whose daughter was at the concert. take a listen to those stories. >> i picked up my cell phone and she was screaming and yelling, dad! dad! somebody is shooting at us and i don't know what to do. she was hysterical and i tried to calm her down. she was -- i could hear the gunshots in the ground. and i -- i knew it was happening, i knew where she was at. she was at the -- and i asked
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her where she was at in the arena, and she said she was the third or fourth row from the stage. and they were just crouched down and people were getting shot around her. she could hear the gunshots. it sounded like a machine gun, she said. and she didn't know where they were coming from. she had nowhere to take cover. so i told her, just to run as fast as she could, as quick as she could, out of the arena. get as far away from it as she could where she thought the line of fire might be. >> it was a stampede-style atmosphere once people realized there was gunfire and that we were going to need to get out of there quickly. once the music went down, obviously, the popping of the gunfire was, it sounded like somebody was right behind you, somebody was shooting at you. the bullets were flying all around. we took cover. when the guy would reload, it was just round after round after round that he was stopping. he would reload and we would
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kind of get up from our cover and start running in those moments. >> i misspoke earlier and spoke to the eyewitnesses in the last hour. with us now is daren porcher, a 20-year veteran of the police department retiring as a lieutenant. daren, walk us through what the police officers face today. and i want to talk about gun laws for a moment. in the state of nevada, they do not require registration of weapons. they do not prohibit the possession of assault weapons. .50-caliber rifles or large capacity ammunition magazines gichbl th. given this set of facts, how do you defend against this, an attack like this? >> we have to take into consideration the state of nevada is an open carry state. >> which means what? >> this means anyone can carry a weapon in that state. now, you have certain prohibitions in places like casinos, for example. the casinos prohibit the
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carrying of firearms on the property of the casinos. so it is one of the things whereas, i want to say the con stitch up went base of that state of nevada have voted on these gun laws. and that is something they have in place. you have to understand, there's a very different dynamic in place with the state like nevada as to poopposed to new york wit densely populated municipality. they are catering the constituency base. >> when i check into a hotel, the man can say, ma'am, can i carry your bag? i can is a, no thanks. you have access to carrying your bag to your own hotel room. so what can the hotel do to protect people? >> one of the recommendations i would employ is to have a mag e
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magnetometer only. >> what does that mean? >> when we put our bags on the ex-ra x-ray, it will check our bags. they need something to prohibit weapons inside the hotels and hotels on the strip of las vegas boulevard. that being said, that can be a start moving forward. but what i think that the las vegas police department needs to do is connect with the dallas p.d. and we remember the shooting where the officers were killed last year. that in comparison to the james, the shooting that happened back in 1966 in the clock tower on the campus of the university of texas. those are watershed moments. we need to use those and embrace them as teachable moments for law enforcement moving forward. how to fortify these types of open, i don't want to say demonstrations, but open
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asemblanasem assemblances of people. we need to introduce the talking points moving forward for a better fortification of people in these types the of violence. >> it's a teachable moment, but given the gun laws are what they are, the police can't change that. so we'll look at the geography here, what can the police do to protect themselves going forward? you can put any type of restrictions on people entering into the concert, but look at where the concert goers were and where the hotel was? all you need to do is open a window. >> the windows in the mandalay bay do not open. he had to use a chair or device to smash the window. so it goes back to what i said initially. the hotel can employ a system of baggage check for weapons only. because you have to take into consideration, whenever someone goes on a vacation, especially to a place like las vegas, there's an element of secrecy what you are doing there. unless you just got married, a bachelor party, bachelorette
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party, etc. the hotels are a best of that information, but you have to focus on the weapons only with the magnetometers as i mentioned earlier. >> given to where he was shooting from, 32 floors above. >> reporter: >> the elevated area is always a hard place to defend against. places like new york and times square, when the ball drops -- >> that is exactly what i have been thinking about. >> this is something that the nypd is going to have some level of a conference with the police department in las vegas. and they also have to extract information from dallas, when we had the shooter that killed the officers last year. so it is just an an amaemaguati.
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these are more and more prevalent in our society and something we have to live with. we have to stay abreast of the nuances in the police departments. >> would you say this is the new normal? >> i wouldn't say this is the new normal, it's an aberration. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't focus on preventing these types the of haacts happening. >> are you surprised by the number of attacks we see? do you think -- commissioner bratton said, i'm surprised we don't see more. and that surprised me. because when i look at the frequency, when i think back whether it is columbine in 1999 or sandy hook just a few years ago, for me, it feels like we're having these all the time. and he said, no, ma'am, given how easy it is to get guns in this country, it could be significantly worse. >> well, i'm never surprised. i think from the perspective of what are the nuances we can
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pursue to prevent these things from moving forward, the surprise element is something emotional, but i'm thinking more as a police tactician as to how can we greater protect the citizens in the united states. >> how hard was it for police officers last night in vegas? >> it was tough. one of the things we have to take into consideration is whenever you're deploying forces in the situation like this, you have to employ what we refer to as force -- you need to be deploying your forces if two different places. one where the actual attacker is, where he's shooting the people on the 32nd floor, but you also want to have reserve piece. that reserve piece is for the deployment in a different location. if you listen to the 911 tape, you had numerous hotels on the strip that claimed they were victims of shots fired as well. that's due to the am live case of the shots in the area. >> say that again. >> you had numerous people in the hotels on the strip making calls to stay shots were being
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fired in their hotel. they're not speaking from a place of conjecture. they genuinely believe the shots are being fire in the hotel they are staying in. that is based on the amplification of the shots. the police department has to focus on the deployment of the personnel at that particular location where the shots are being fired to connect with the assailant and possible deployment if there's another subject. fortunately, we only had one. >> all right. we'll update everyone with what we know so far. it is 10:30 a.m. here in new york city. we are covering the deadliest shooting, mass shooting in u.s. history, where at least 50 people are confirmed dead and more than 400 hurt taken to area hospitals. the victims of the worst shooting in the united states history. it all happened when a gunman opened fire on the outdoor country music festival on the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay hotel and casino. here's a photograph of the
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killer. nbc news just got this confirmed by a senior law enforcement official. police say this man, 64-year-old gunman stephen paddock died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound before the s.w.a.t. team members stormed into his 32nd floor how tell room. at least 10 rifles were found there and they were actively shooting his home in mesquite, nevada n a retirement community a little more than an hour away from vegas. police now say they have located the shooter's companion, marilou danley who is outside the country. police do not believe she had involvement in this deadly attack. and any minute now, we are expected to hear from president trump who will be addressing today's shooting. we already heard from president, the vice president and the white house press secretary, sarah huckabee sanders, via twitter. but we'll hear an official statement from the president any moment now. and nbc's kristen welker is at the white house are
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the.presidethewhere the president is about to speak. >> reporter: senior staffers have been in meetings throughout the morning as they respond to the tragedy in las vegas. president trump was briefed by his chief of staff, general john kelly, among others. tom bossard, the homeland security adviser, is keeping the president up-to-date and directing the fall response. which he has said was very fast. they have been working on this throughout the night, steph. the police tweeted this morning, my warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims of the terrible las vegas shooting. god bless you. this from the first lady, my heart and prayers go out to victims, families and loved ones. sarah huckabee sanders called this a horrific tragedy and stressed they are monitoring the
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scene from behind the walls here at the white house. the president was going to be holding a meeting with a number of governors in an hour and a half from now. that has been canceled as he will not be participate iing, a the president continues to monitor the situation. now we have heard from president trump in the wake of tragedies in the past and the wake of charlottesville and the wake of the congressional shooting that injured steve schoalise. he was significantly wounded and just returned to capitol hill last week. and we heard a somber word from the president. we are waiting for the president to speak live here. i am told primarily the police are taking precautions all
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around the world. >> i want to read something to you, malcolm. earlier our colleague tom brokaw said this. no other western nation has the number of gun deaths that we have in america. we need to talk about it. malcolm, given your expertise and experience, your understanding of terrorism, what is happening here? >> well, what you are seeing is a sect of an easy access to weapons inside a nation. i mean, i'm a gun owner for many years, and if you are an emotionally disturbed person never hospitalized or called
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psychologic psychological, you don't have to be a terrorist, you just have to been an individual. the mass shooting is anyone who has more than three victims. and this year alone, we have had 273 mass shootings in 75 days. it is a crisis to some, but to others they don't view it as a wa norm. >> as a gun owner yourself, talk us through the type of weapons, even though we have limited information. we know there were ten guns or rifles found in the hotel room. and we know based on the sound of the shots fired that those were either semi or fully automatic weapons used. why do people buy guns like that? >> i worked in the middle east
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in the intelligence capacity. so my weapons are what we call clone weapons. i would use those to train with those. the other people would buy helmets or the m-16 rifles. we have a constitutional right to often them. but let's talk about this shooter and what he did. within 30 minutes of the shooting, si saw a live feed an it was pretty obviously that he was using an automatic rifle. you can go to this website that
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will show you it is expensive to get an illegal weapon. and it takes a year to get the registration and paperwork for that. so most likely the shooter was use using was -- you have the ability to take human life. it is as simple as that. >> it is as simple as that. does it surprise you, though, i mean, given we only have a very limited amount of information about the psychological profile, given what we know, aren't you surprised? >> i am a little surprised that this didn't happen in las vegas before. i don't know if you recall a couple years ago, that a 10-year-old girl was at an automatic shooting range outside
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of las vegas and couldn't control the rise of the weapon when she fired on her parents and killed the range instructor with her. you can go to the automatic weapon places in las vegas all over the place, but that doesn't mean it's going to make you a shooter. whatever is happening inside the mind of then individual, what happened that caused him to bring all of these weapons, clearly these are arsenal-type weapons. and what that leads me to believe is that this person was e notionally disturbing, thought the weapons were needed. he fired at least 300 rounds. my first count was 90 in the first minute and a half, which is very fast. but whatever was in his head, he
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was going there to die and to kill. in the end, he took his own life. and that does not strike me as a way terrorists who were trained and organized do it. they die in a hail of bullets in a confrontation with law enforcement. as the information flows in on the type of weapons he had, we'll get more information on his true intent. >> for the city of las vegas and the police department who have to manage a city that has 45 million tourists every year, that what do they do going forward? >> every year in january, they sponsor the shot shell. that's the industry shell. i can tell you that people buy weapons and bring weapons to their hotel room. you cannot, they do not restrict that. you can wield gun cases right up
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to your room. and there's no way to stop them. you can bring an ak-rifle up to your room. it is just a question of advanced intelligence. and in this story, there's an interesting component. police were looking for an associate of the shooter who allegedly came to the checkpoint and may have given a warning or a threat. up and that is law enforcement intelligence. but the city can't do anything about an individual wanting to go into a hotel room and want to carry out a massive shooting. >> malcolm, from your perspective, would you go to a concert tomorrow? given all the facts, what would
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you do? >> well, i mean, you can't allow terrorists and gunmen to dictate how you live your life. you know? you have to go forward. this is a society that we have, i'm in europe right now, i'm here actually to investigate terrorism in them using vehicles as weapons. and there's nothing you can really do but to understand that you have a law enforcement in place. you have people, almost a million policemen in the united states dedicated to keeping you safe, the real question is, if this turns out to be an emotionally disturbed person with a psychological issue or death wish, we really need to start looking at some common sense restrictions on people who may have been giving indicators they would not be competent in lawful gun owners. >> malcolm, thank you so much for sharing your candid views.
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i want to bring in now justice correspondent in the washington bureau, pete williams. pete, what can you tell us? >> reporter: it is clear that the gunman was firing out of two separate windows in the mandalay bay hotel on the 32nd floor. if you look at the photographs, we have taken a long lens and zoomed in to the area of the hotel where the window was busted out, you can see that one window is broken out. and you can see the curtain blowing out the window. but the second, it is obvious that just around the corner in the tower arm, a second window is blown out as well. and the law enforcement officials say that they believe that stephen paddock was firing out of both of the windows. that he had more than one room, connecting rooms or a suite with two rooms.
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now, in this picture, you can see the two palm trees there on the walkway. and just above the left palm tree is a black spot, a dark spot on the hotel. that's one of the broken out windows. but there is a second one just around the corner that is also broken out. so police believe that he was firing from both of those windows, basically running from one to the other. apparently, they don't know why yet, but that he was concerned that people would figure out where the shots were coming from and return fire or perhaps he just wanted to get a different vantage point. but they believe now that he was firing out of two separate windows in this hotel. and that he had connecting rooms or a suite of rooms that allowed him to do that. the second thing we have recently learned here is that law enforcement officials have been looking into his past visits. his brother said he was a frequent visitor of las vegas,
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liked to gamble, liked to attend the shows at the casino miss the big hotels. and we're told now by law enforcement officials looking through his financial transactions, that he's, just within the last couple of weeks, had some big transactions, some big gambling transactions, we can't tell whether they are losses or gains or wins, but tens of thousands worth of money spent on gambling in the casinos in las vegas. what connection this has to the shooting, of course, nobody knows at this point. it dill remains a mystery and what the motive was. they are still trying to go through to figure to the when he acquired the weapons and try to figure out from talking to family members, people who knew him from the up to of mesquite, where they are beginning to search his red dense. the little community of 18,000 people 80 miles away from las vegas where he was living in
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aretirement community around a cluster of golf courses. so we are talking to people there and trying to figure out why he did this. his brother was in orlando and was shocked. >> this is like a meteor falling on this family, an asteroid. >> the family had no idea this could happen. they just didn't think that stephen paddock was capable of this type of thing. they didn't get a sense of this, that his life didn't seem em to be spinning out of control. >> they said he enjoyed going to casinos and shows, but at this point, his companion and roommate was out of the country. there's no other sign there could be someone he worked with at this point.
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it seems like he acted alone, is that correct? >> reporter: yes, that's the assessment. the two windows broken out could suggest that somebody else was shooting at the time, but the investigators believe that one person was firing out of two separate places in the hotel. >> he was retired, do we know what he did for a living before or the life that he lived? >> reporter: we think we know, but frankly there's some questions here, because it's either a coincidence or a case of mistaken identity. there's two people with his name and birth date. one of them lives in mesquite, nevada. we know that is the suspect. there was a second person with the same name and birth date who also lived in another state with the last name and town as
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mesquite. i can't say with confidence that we know what his work history is. >> i do want to point that out. because earlier in the broadcast i received messages of people on twitter demanding to see the shooter, to know more, saying why are you hiding this? it is so important, when you think about the work our colleagues like pete williams are doing to get all of this information correct. because the police, law enforcement, need to be protected and don't want missing information out there. but the 400 people currently being treated in hospitals. and, or, the 50 who have already died. n they servecy receive the information they know out there. do we know anything else about
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the shooter's past? i know it is a carry state. >> reporter: no. we don't know when he acquired the rifles. we don't know if he shot at gun ranges or what his interest in firearms, whether he had any training, there doesn't appear to be, from our initial check, that he acquired any experience with firearms in the military. there's no suggestion of that. so we're -- how he became comfortable shooting automatic weapons, we don't know. >> it is amazing, last year it was june 12th, 2016, when the pulse nights club shooting took place in orlando. 49 people died, more than 50 wounded. at the time, we said, we can never let this happen again. we said the same thing after the awful shooting that took place in newtown, connecticut. we remember it, the sandy hook shooting, where 26 people were killed, predominantly young children, kindergarteners. at that moment, we said, we can
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never let this happen again. and here we are, 50 people confirmed dead. yes, pete? >> reporter: i said a moment ago we thought he worked for a defense contractor. we now have confirmed that fact. he did work for for a short tim here's the president. >> pete, here's the president. >> thank you. my fellow americans, we are joined together today in sadness, shock and grief. last night, a gunman opened fire on a large crowd at a country music concert in las vegas, nevada. he brutally murdered more than 50 people and wounded hundreds more. it was an act of pure evil. the fbi and the department of
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homeland security are working closely with local authorities to assist with the investigation, and they will provide updates as to the investigation and how it develops. i want to thank the las vegas metropolitan police department and all of the first responders for their courageous efforts and for helping to save the lives of so many. the speed with which they acted is miraculous and prevented further loss of life. to have found the shooter so quickly after the first shots were fired is something for which we will always be thankful and grateful. it shows what true professionalism is all about. hundreds of our fellow citizens are now mourning the sudden loss of a loved one. a parent. a child.
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a brother or sister. we cannot fathom their pain. we cannot imagine their loss. to the families of the victims, we are praying for you, and we are here for you. and we ask god to help see you through this very dark period. scripture teaches us the lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. we seek comfort in those words, for we know that god lives in the hearts of those who grieve. to the wounded who are now recovering in hospitals, we are praying for your full and speedy recovery and pledge to you our support from this day forward. in memory of the fallen, i have directed that our great flag be flown at half-staff. i will be visiting las vegas on
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wednesday to meet with law enforcement, first responders and the families of the victims. in moments of tragedy and horror, america comes together as one. and it always has. we call upon the bonds that unite us, our faith, our family and our shared values. we call upon the bonds of citizenship, the ties of community and the comfort of our common humanity. our unity cannot be shattered by evil. our bonds cannot be broken by violence. though we feel such great anger at the senseless murder of our fellow citizens, it is our love that defines us today and always will, forever. in times such as these, i know we are searching for some kind
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of meaning in the chaos. some kind of light in the darkness. the answers do not come easy. but we can take solace, knowing that even the darkest space can be brightened by a single light, and even the most terrible despair can be illuminated by the single ray of hope. melania and i are praying for every american who has been hurt, wounded or lost the ones they love so dearly in this terrible, terrible attack. we pray for the entire nation to find unity and peace. and we pray for the day when evil is banished and the innocent are safe from hatred and from fear. may god bless the souls of the lives that are lost. may god give us the grace of
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healing, and may god provide the grieving families with strength to carry on. thank you. god bless america. thank you. >> president trump not taking questions. ending his remarks with "god bless america." calling this act pure evil. we need to work to protect the souls of the innocent whose lives were lost. he said he will be going to las vegas on wednesday to meet with law enforcement and first responders. the white house will be flying the flag at half-staff. i want to play an interview from the "today" show this morning. jake oewen, a country music musician who just finished performing minutes before shots rang out. he was still on the stage. take a look. >> thankfully, we're doing all right. unfortuna unfortunately, there's a lot who
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aren't. it's been a crazy evening here in las vegas. i think we're all still trying to process. >> jake, you had performed earlier. you were not on the stage when this happened. where were you? >> no, i was on the stage. i had just walked up on the stage with a couple friends of mine. including one of them being luke combs, another artist who played earlier. we were literally standing 50 feet away from where jake was on stage. all of a sudden, you heard what sounded -- you know, it was the thing where you were like, is that gunfire? it got faster and faster, almost like it sounded like it was an automatic rifle. you could hear it ringing off the tops of the rafters of the stage. that's when you saw people fleeing. at that point, everyone on stage just started running everywhere possible. it was pretty chaotic, for sure. >> where were you able to go to seek cover? >> unfortunately, i ran the
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opposite direction from where my usual shelter would be, which is my bus. it was on the opposite side of the stage. i ran like everyone else. at one point, i was crouched down behind a cop car with about 20 other people that were just, you know, people that had come to the show. everyone is asking if everyone is okay. there was blood on people. you could see a couple folks in the streets that had -- it looked like they'd been shot, lying there. it was chaotic. it was literally like a movie. you feel like you've seen it before and it's not real life. >> jake, i know when something like that happens, i can imagine that time is just really hard to even get a grasp on. but we're interested in it because it does suound like, frm other witnesses we talked to, that this went on for some time. if you had to guess how long, from when you first heard the sounds to when the shooting finally stopped, how long do you think it took to end?
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>> without overexaggerating, i would say it had to have been close to ten minutes. because it went on for a good four or five minutes before i got back to, luckily, a bus in a crew parking lot. once i got on the bus, we were hiding in the bus because you could still hear gunfire outside. so it wasn't something that just was quick. i mean, it was chaos for seven to ten minutes. >> were you able to get back in touch with all of your friends and fellow performers, or is there still difficulty because everybody is scattered in so many different directions? >> there was that for a while. i just recently -- my manager just got back to where i am. a friend of mine is here with her family for her 50th birthday, like a lot of other people who come to the concerts. it's what it is about, to live
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this freedom thanks to the men and women that fight for it for us. we tend to -- we live this life of not being scared, which i think is great. but, you know, this is reality these days. this stuff is really happening. we were all scared. i do think it is important to say, too, that the las vegas police department, the responders, you could tell, i mean, they did everything they could to get out here as quickly as possible and take care of these people. i think they definitely need a shoutout, as well. >> you know what i heard somebody, jake, earlier talk about the staff of the concert venue, the people who were working just to, you know -- who normally would help guide you into a concert venue. that person said that they reacted with great calm and that they really seemed to try to do everything they could to help people get out of that area. so we thank them, as well. jake, we're happy you're okay. again, we thank you for joining us on the phone this morning.
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>> i'm stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc world headquarters here in new york city with continuing coverage of the deadliest mass shooting in u.s. history. [ gunshots ] >> what's going on? going upstairs. hand mandalay bay, shots coming from halfway up. >> clip after clip, bullets flying everywhere, everybody running. it was really bad. >> everyone said drop, and everyone dropped. >> we're at the suspect's door. everyone in the hallway needs to be aware and get back. we need to see if we can get a response from the guy. see if he is here or if he moved


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