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they want to give a quote public update on the russia case. we're going to have special coverage of why they're doing that and the rest of the stories tomorrow night on "the beat" at 6:00 p.m. eastern. for now, "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. now or never, let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. we're learning more about the suspect in sunday night's mass shooting in las vegas that killed 59 people and injured manufacture than 500. the details are disturbing of course. stephen paddock had arsenal weapons of war in his hotel room. police found 23 guns there. there were more gun found in his home with explosives and thousands of bullets. he had two bump stocks, devices that can make semi automatic
weapons mimic fully automatic guns. you can hear the sound of one. listen. [ gunfire ] >> everybody bit of that sound could be used to kill people and it did. should these types of weapons be available in this country. today president trump tweeted i'm so proud of our great country. god bless america. before boarding a flight to puerto rico he was asked is now the time for stiffer gun laws. >> look, we have a tragedy. we're going to do -- and what happened in las vegas is in many way as miracle. the police department has done such an incredible job. and we'll be talking about gun laws as time goes by. but i do have to say how quickly
the police department was able to get in was really very much of a miracle. they've done an amazing job. >> who came up with that leisure suit he's wearing. many republicans want to put off the discussion of gun laws, put off permanently. now is not the time. there will never be a time. those poor dears can't handle the conversation. we know the shooter's ballistic capability and are we willing to live in a society where incident like this become fairly often. steve patterson is in las vegas. tell us what's the up to date accounting of how much weaponry, how much fire power this man possessed. >> reporter: well, chris, you just said it best. this is an arsenal fit for war, at least a small malitia inside the hotel room. 23 weapons. right now we're next to the crime scene. it's very active. you saw police activity to my
left. beyond this police line is a street, beyond the treat is a barrier, beyond the barrier is the ruth 91 concert venue where the people were packed in and the shooter was firing down below. inside that hotel we're talking about a mixture of semi automatic long guns along with stocks for stability, scopes for distance, hammers to break out the windows. and as we learned tonight, cameras both in and outside of that hotel room as the sheriff put it to see in the police were going to be greeted by the suspect. all of this to say as the plaintiff said today in a press conference, he believes that this was a meticulously planned attack. meticulously planned mass murder. that's not to mention the 19 guns found in his home or the explosive material that was found in the suspect's car. >> all of it legal, right, as we know? >> reporter: well, chris, this is nevada. people come to nevada to fire
fully automatic weapons. there are gun ranges up and down the strip. if you want to do that, you can. you don't need a permit for most weapons here, you don't needs a registration for most weapons here. machine guns are regulated more tightly because that's a federal thing. but there are loopholes to get around it including modification. one maybe two of the weapons were heavily modified if not for fully automatic fire then for nearly fully automatic fire. >> and knew las vegas will be known among other this for this. great reporting in las vegas. for more, let's bring in hieide presl presley. gun control, i grew up in pennsylvania. it's a touchy issue. where is it going to take a stiet like yours that goes actual way to tommy guns in terms of law enforcement open whether we use the law to
control weaponry. >> thoughts and prayers are important. but we need to do a lot more. it's time for action. it's time for congress and each state to take it upon themselves to pass laws to protect our american citizens. it's unacceptable what happened here yesterday and it's unacceptable all across the country. >> what do the people feel that you represent? you must be getting calls. do they want gun control or do they want us to lay off and let them be libertarians about it? >> our state of nevada has already in the last election passed a ballot initiative to have universal background checks. unfortunately it's caught up in the courts because the ag refuse to listen to the will of nevada. we're going to continue fighting this in the court. we have to fight at the congressional level. and i am asking my colleagues in congress that we have to take action. thoughts and prayers are important but it's not enough. we have to take action in congress. >> my theory about this is that
we'll spend a lot of time trying to figure out the psychology of the killer who did this murder the other day and mayhem and we'll probably never get to the bottom of it. we can get to the bottom of what he processed in his acapability. if you give 100 people this kind of weaponry, a lot of them are going use it. it's a question of access, availability and knowing that some people are going to have a little anger that day. my question is how can people defend the ability of people that go out and buy all of this hardware and be able to upgrade a gun to a tommy gun basically because they kneel like doing it? >> look, it's incomprehensible to me how this killer managed to bring 23 weapons into the hotel room. it's incomprehensible to me how he had thousands and thousands of ammo. there's not gob a limit of the ammo in the magazine. >> who would have stopped him? the law you have in nevada, who
would have stopped him? >> this is exactly why we need to change the law. this is why americans are fed up with congress our legislators because they refuse to take action. we're tired of seeing rhetoric, we're tired of seeing this type of shootings. we have to take action and it has to be immediately. >> a year from now will the laws be any different? >> we saw what happened in pulse a year ago. nothing changed since that shooting. now we have the largest mass shooting in this country, unfortunately it right here in my state. that sun acceptable. the american people deserve to feel safe. >> thank you so much for joining us. i want to go back to heidi. i love parallels. you write about parallels. you know we couldn't win in vietnam because we're going the stay and we're going to come home. >> right. >> the people who are for gun control get interested for a while but the gun owners stay with it, never leave it.
they're the home team and they're never going to let people touch their guns. >> they always have the edge on intensity, on that image. and that has been the case for years and years and years. and it certainly is the case now. and you know, looking at the national level, the federal level, this congress and this president, it's -- i wish i could work myself up into thinking that something would happen but i can't. i can't. >> once you get west of new york state, better in the city part of new york, the suburban part, you run into gun country. it's all gun country, except maybe chicago and then they've got their own problem with the gangs. you can't be a senator in one of those states and get sirius about gun control. it doesn't work. >> here's what's happened in that gun culture. >> i couldn't say damned
wyoming. i like the state. it's the huge swath of people that are progun. >> what's happened to gun culture over the past 10 to 20 years. we've gone from your bolt action pistols that people use for hunting but that wasn't going to last forever. and the nra knew that. they knew that hunting culture is decreasing. so they start pushing the semi automatic weapons and pump out the fear and paranoia as well convincing people that they need the semi alms to defend themselves, these pistols are not going to do the trick. you need street weapons, war weapons to defend yourself. >> how do you use one of those. if somebody is knocking on your window trying to get in the house, you go find your machine gun. >> right. you go find your machine gun. it's ridiculous as a defensive weapon. it's ridiculous as a weapon to use to shoot a deer or a rabbit. but there are 300 million guns
in this country and an awful lot of them are assault weapons. >> the real gun person whab's t, what's the reaction? what do they say? i know. evil. >> they say there's nothing you can do because these people are evil. and they want to get the guns, they're going to get them. but they completely dismiss when confronted with any of the facts that this is a unique problem in our country. so either there's something wrong with our laws or we have a unique high level of people in our country. >> there has been polling of gun members and nra members and in both they are in favor of the universal background checks. to say nothing of the opinion of the whole country, more in favor of the universal background checks. just as a first step. and we could not get that after newto newtown. >> because it comes back to intensity. who killed newtown. it was the red state democrats,
a number of republicans, like john mccain and susan collins found it within themselves to vote for the modest measure. it was the red state democrats who feared, had that outsized fear of the nra which in the end was not there for them. >> -- position in the nra, one of the powerful lobbies in town. >> last time on the show the 700 club pat robertson blamed the shooting in las vegas on a lack of respect for authority, including for president trump. let's watch him. >> be vie lenolence in the stre ladies and gentlemen. why is it happening? you know, what i would like to give you is the fact that we have disrespect for authority, there is profound disrespect of our president all across this nation. they say terrible things about him. it's in the news, in other places. there's disrespect now for our national anthem.
disrespect for our veterans, disrespect for the institutions of our government, disrespect of the court system. all the way up and down the line, disrespect. and when you lose that kind of respect, you lose a little authority. >> so those on the progress i side of issues are responsible for gun killers like this. >> exactly. well that's just ridiculous and offensive. >> he's a yale law graduate, did you know that? it's bibl kl -- >> when you don't have the facts on your side, you make it -- >> i think that guy should retire. coming up, profile of a mass murderer. what are we learning about the motive. i think it's an endless search bhurnd the carnage in las vegas. we've got new clues as we sort out what this guy did. plus president trump travel
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i sympathize with everybody who is grasping. who on this planet do you think is grasping for this understanding more than me. i can't even process this yet really. i mean i woke up this morning crying. >> welcome back to hardball. that was las vegas gunman stephen paddock's brother trying to find an explanation of why he brother decided to shoot into a crowd of concert goers on sunday. investigators are working to establish the shooter's motive. he was a high stakes gambler with the highest status by the way at caesar's palace, a millionaire according to his brother. he had wired $100,000 for his philippines where his girlfriend has family and visiting at the time of the shooting. i'm joined by a forensic psychiatrist whose niece was at the concert on sunday night. thank you for joining us. do you know any sense of this man who did this shooting? >> i think it's premature for us to make any judgments about his
motives. we know from past mass murderers what their motives have been and the kinds of things they thought justified their actions. but here the investigation has just begun and the man obviously did not communicate very loudly or clearly what his mood was, what his hopes and dreams were or why he was unhappy enough to do this. >> do you think he wanted to go wut to use the phrase badly, with a bang, go out top of the world, like james kag any in "white heat." he wanted to go out with everybody noticing his power. could that be as basic as it was as a motive? >> without question. that is a big part of it. you know, mass murder is the angry man's suicide. it's a flamboyant way to do it. and they do pay attention to body count. they pay attention to what kind of media they'll get. this fellow videotaped it according to news reports and that's because he wants that to be shown. he wants to be remembered for
this. hopefully he will have recorded himself explaining why he did it as well. >> why do they commit suicide after they've killed 50 people. he was probably trying to kill many more. why do they commit suicide at the end of the thing in. >> i think that's the wrong question. i think the issue is why do some men choose this form of suicide and why does this form of suicide get front page news while other forms don't because we know it's contagious. >> you're a smart man, doctor. thank you so much. i hope your niece is doing fine. is she okay? >> she's doing as the others are. they don't think they'll ever be able to forget this. thanks for asking. >> thank you so much, dr. paul dietz. up next, president trump has been criticized for his handling of puerto rico and today his visit didn't help much. wait until you see his performance. trump telling officials they should be proud that the death
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welcome back to hardball. nearly two weeks after hurricane maria pumabled the island of puerto rico, 90% of electricity customers remain without power. look at that. much of the countryside struggling to access food, water and even ash cash. the atm machines are down. and today president trump landed on the island and came face to face with the apocalyptic world that puerto rico has been living with. there he is. in a briefing with local and federal officials, trump told reporters of the high praise his administration was getting, they were getting on their response effort. here he is. >> right from the beginning this governor did not play politics. he didn't play it at all. he was saying it like it was and he was giving us the highest
grades. congresswoman jennifer gonzales pallone who i watched the other day and she was saying such nice things about all of the people who worked so hard. >> he seemed to fault the island for receiving help from the government. >> i hate to tell you, puerto rico, but you've thrown our budget a little out of whack because we've spent a lot of money on puerto rico and that's fine. we've saved a lot of lives. if you look at the -- every death is a horror. but if you look at a real catastrophe like katrina and you look at the tremendous, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died, 16 people certified, 16 people versus in the thousands, you can be very proud of all of your people, all of our people worki ining toget. 16 versus literally thousands of people. >> the awkward comparison to
katrina came. president trump spent the weekend attacking what he called politically motivated ingrates who he said wanted everything done for them. he also went after the mayor of san juan who slammed the administration's response to the hurricane criticizing her poor leadership ability. the president's schedule was carefully orchestrated to limit his exposure to the public. near the end of his trip he visited a relief center, tossing rolls of paper towels into the crowd and handing out cans of chicken and flashlights. for more i'm joined with a democrat from new york. i don't know how to do this and i know you represent probably a lot of latinos and people that care about puerto rico. they come in there. it's part of this country. but what's the screw up about is it fema's fault, is it trump's fault, is it the governor's fault? this is a lot of finger pointing
going on here. nobody seems to be saying -- except for trump. he says i'm doing a great job. >> first of all, we were late to get there. but obviously this is not an easy task. i requires the department of defense to go in there and lay out a plan, almost like if they were in an armed conflict. you got to lay fixed row roads remove debris. >> like we did? somalia. we went in in force. >> to rebuild puerto rico is going to take years. but they need money. they need $20 billion right away. they can't wait another week. >> what would that go to? >> that would go hopefully to the municipalities. they know where the people are stuck in their homes, not been able to get out. right now the u.s. forces there are air lifting some help there to those towns in the hills that have been disconnected, no water, no electricity. >> what's this about the guys not getting in their truck to
deliver water. people aren't doing the stuff that they're supposed to be doing. sounds terrible. >> i think when you talk about who there is to blame, you have to think about the fact that this president essentially failed really at communicating the importance of this in saying focused on puerto rico. so many people while they think that the u.s. government was trying to do all that it could, while his tweets on the nfl, his arguments with the mayor, all that made people feel that he was unfocused. this is not a real catastrophe because it's not my katrina. what he's saying is this isn't my problem. >> there's nothing wrong with being a politician. i like politicians. >> absolutely not. >> he acts like he's prince charles visiting one of the colonies. he shows up in that ridiculous costume with his beautiful wife but it's ceremonial. he's not there to lead the effort. he's there to be seen throwing out paper towels.
like it's the dolphins at seaworld. he only had enough paper towels for 100 people there. they were going to look like fools reaching for towels and nobody gets one. it's embarrassing. >> this is about saving people's lives. i spent saturday -- >> what is this about? >> remember, people -- >> what is he trying to sell there? >> remember, people -- all of the people that i interviewed on the campaign trail who love donald trump, they voted for an entertainer. you know what they're getting, they're getting an entertainer. someone who understands that he's going there to look good, he's going there for optics. he says the word optics when you ask him what his motives are for certain things. he's not running from the fact that i built my reputation on "the apprentice" and this is what you get. >> everybody in the audience at oprah or ellen goes home with a
book or a car. this is embarrassing. >> the real areas that were hard hit up in the mountains, no one ever saw -- >> they're not going to see him. throughout the visit the president continually reneared to the low official death count as a way to congratulate the officials and himself. let's take a listen. >> what's happened in terms of recovery and lives, 16 lives, that's a lot. but when you compare that to the thousands of people that died in other hurricanes, and frankly, not nearly as severe. >> fax numbers reported that the 16 is most likely inaccurate because the government is not functions enough to document the true death toll. is this reaching katrina stage in terms of development for the administration, the effort of fema? >> a lot of it are going to depend on how many people perish. the president is right to say
that we haven't lost as many people as we did in katrina right now. but if it goes to the katrina numbers and then we have to connect that to his trip to the golf courses and him being distracted while americans were perishing, that's when we get to the katrina level. george bush was criticized because people died on their roofs waiting on the american government to save them. >> also, this is not at the level where potential epidemics could hit the island. this is the tropics, the caribbean. >> that can come. >> it could come. so this hurricane has taken some lives now but it could take other lives down the line. when you have phase two or phase three of the storm. >> and it's still hurricane season. as a floridian i know you could still have more hurricanes. >> today's briefing president trump seemed to make it a point that exclude the mayor of san juan. he however shook her hand and then they had an interesting exchange. let's watch him with the mayor. >> how are you?
>> it's not about politics. >> thank you. thank you, everybody. >> what did you think of that little physical damage control. >> i spent saturday with carmen cruz, she's a tremendous leader. tremendous leader. >> not incidentally a great "hardball" fan. she watches the show. puerto rico is part of our country, those are american citizens out there, they should get equal rights and equal treatment and i they's a message that the president hasn't gotten. i did think back when george w. blew katrina. i said if you're going down to the astrodome drk no, the superdome. if he had gone down there and stood all day handing out water bottle to all of the people, everybody there -- lbj used to do stuff like this. you have to connect with people's problems. >> you have to look like you care, especially when you have a history like donald trump has
where people think that you have real issues with race or real issues with inequality. this is not just puerto rico. it's an island full of brown people that you need to go to and say i understand that you're americans. he's failed to do that. i think he noticed that and that's why he went down. >> a little late there. thank you. great to have you on the show. up next, the latest on the russian effort to swing the 2016 election. they get more and more involved as we look back in our rearview mirror what role they played in 2016. new reporting on how russian operatives identified and targeted voters susceptible to propaganda, especially racial propaganda. this is hardball. you are still at risk for heart attack or stroke. talk to your health care provider today about diabetic heart disease.
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welcome back to hardball. we're learning a lot now about russian efforts to manipulate public opinion in the 2016 presidential election. now then facebook turned over msh than 3,000 russian funded advertisement to congress. according to the "washington post" one of the russian bought advertisements featured photographs of an armed black women pulling the trigger of the weapon without a bullet in the chamber. in addition to ads intended to deep enracial division, there were ad featuring hillary clinton behind what appeared to be prison bars. separately the post is reporting on the sophistication of the
targeting operation revealing that russian operatives september up an array of misleading websites to identify american voters susceptible to propaganda. the "the new york times" released two examples of suspected russian prop gadahnag facebook. one in support of gun rights. there it is. for the latest, i'm joined we carol, a reporter with the washington post. how does this thing keep growing. tell us what the latest is that we're learning about what the russians were doing through facebook. >> so, my colleagues at the washington post have been doing a gangbusters job of explaining just exactly how well facebook was milked and manipulated by the russians, at least in the form of a weird mysterious troll farm in st. petersburg, this company created hundreds of fake
ads and also fake pages and users accounts that looked look you and me who were pretending to be real people and were pushing other users to these fake pages. so imagine if you will, a fake page that is saying that it supports african-americans and will advocate for them. this fake page would be a place where if you clicked on and said that you were interested in it, you would essentially become a person targeted for very specific ads and news stories that were about -- not necessarily about the election but very much indirectly about the election and you would become like a virus in facebook yourself. because once you liked this you would be forcing a lot of these ads and these fake sort of news pieces into the stream of your facebook friends. you would become essentially a purveyor, an influencer of how
many friends you have and your friends, like the shampoo commercial, would pass it on to their friends. >> is there a way to trace how powerful this influence was, how it may have metastasized and gotten out in the exponential way? >> facebook told us that they could trace to this one st. petersburg troll farm, they initially told us this was only $100,000 in ad buys. but what we're able to see, now it looks like that could have been seen 10 million times. that's a lot of impressions, a lot of people. up next, late night host jimmy kimmel responded to the las vegas shooting saying it feels like someone opened a window to hell. americans overwhelmingly support gun control like background checks. so why won't congress do
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they're weapons designed to kill a lot of people in a short amount of time. this guy reportedly had ten of them in his room, apparently legally. at least some of them were there legally. why is that allowed. i don't now why our so-called leaders allow this to happen. maybe a better question, why do we allow them to let it happen. we have a major problem with gun violence in the country. maybe they don't care. if i'm wrong. do something about it. i'm sick of it. tem your congress people to do something. it's not enough to send your love and prayers. >> that was jimmy kimmel last night pleading with congress to do something on gun control following the massacre in his hometown of las vegas. many democrats are calling for tougher gun laws. here's connecticut senator chris murphy. >> the entire country is focused
on why this happened. and the reality is that much of it is rooted in the evil inside this one individual. but much of it is also rooted in our laws which allowed him to get his hands on weapons that are illegal in almost every other civilized country. >> well actually the house was expected to act sooner than nra backed bill that would have eased regulations on gun silence silencers. speaker paul ryan today said that bill is currently not scheduled. ryan was also asked what congress plans to do to make americans more safe given these frequent mass shootings. >> i think one of the things that we've learned from these shootings is that often underneath this is a diagnosis of mental illness. i think it's important that as we see the dust settle and we see what was behind some of these tragedies, that mental health reform is a critical ingredient to making sure that we can prevent these things from happening. >> the last gun control push, a
bipartisan bill on background checks failed in the senate four years ago in the aftermath of the sandy hook shooting. but a recekrencent quinnipac po shows 9 3% of republicans say so. 54% support stricter gun laws period. let's bring in the round table. jeff bennett, white house reporter for npr and erica warner. erica, you're first because you're new. why don't woe have gun laws? >> i think one of your earlier panel addressed this. the nra has the intensity, single issues society vovoters can get out. mike bloomberg tried, gabby giffords has tried and it hasn't happened. >> mike surrounds himself with gun and the 16 ounce cokes but the gun people never lose their
focus. >> and the challenge that democrats have a nuanced policy argument an how tougher gun restrictions might be good for americans will lose against the slippery slope argument that donald trump made and that republicans make all of the time. and that's one gun control law is a slippery slope to a malitia of liberal democrats knocking on the door asking fir their guns back. >> you can't buy a bazooka or a tank or a tommy gun. you can't buy a machine gun. that was outlawed in the '30s or whatever. al capone. there was common sense. >> that's something that the nra will not have. it's gotten worse actually -- >> you need a semi automatic to hunt? what kind of hunting are you doing? >> that's a pulverized animal. >> a rifle. >> donald trump relied on the nra to a huge degree. that was one group that turned out for him, stuck with him and
he's not about to throw them under the bus. >> did you hear what bannon said if he messes with gun control, in any way, he's finished. >> the gun issue is in many ways a proxy for the urban rural divide in ways that no other political issue is. for a guy in west virginia who spenlt saturdays in a tree stand hunting, he's going to vote on a gun rights issue on a way that people would advocate for gun control might not. >> from pennsylvania to wyoming, okay, i'm serious, right out to california border, to utah, places like nevada, is any state safe for gun control? you got to be from the coast to be for gun control. >> i mean i don't that that's going to be tested entirely. but no one is going to -- no republican is going there at all. and red state democrats don't even really want to. i mean we -- the mansion-toomy
bill that you referenced, they got defeated anyways. it's not like the nra wasn't there for them. but if -- if it wouldn't happen after newtown, it's no going to happen now. >> when asked whether or not they would consider gun legislation, several senate republicans offered the same answer. let's watch them in action here. >> i think it's particularly inappropriate to politicize an event like this. it just happened within the last day and a half. sbieshly premature to be discussing about legislative solutions if any. >> we should be talking about understanding the facts around this event and we could have that discussion at another time. i'm willing to have an intelligent discussion about it but not in the middle of a crisis that the people in las vegas are dealing with right now. >> i'm not for changing the law right now. i am against politicizing this.
>> that dialogue does need to occur but i don't think now is the time for this. you know, we have a lot of victims, we have a lot of survivors. we have a lot of families in town right now and right now our focus needs to be on those individuals to be sure that they have everything that they need. >> ballsy bastards, aren't they? these guys are paid to write the laws for this country. all they're doing is dodging it. >> it's not a coincidence that you heard them all saying the same thing. that was a republican talking point that came out from the rnc that was circulated. >> i don't know nothing. >> and this period of discourse free mourning. it's because they're trying to set the parameters for a confers they do not want to have. >> next week they'll say it's old news. >> and trump never has a problem leaping in on a terrorist attack to raise the muslim ban or any other issue. >> he's quick to point the blame. >> nevada republican that we just saw, he's up for reelection. he's very vulnerable.
democrats could litigate this issue in that senate race if they chose too but they too lack the courage of their convictions. they don't feel it's good politics. >> the round table is sticks with us and these three will give me three scoops tonight you'll be talking about tomorrow. this is "hardball" where the action is. you nervous? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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we're back with the roundtable. jennifer, tell me something i don't know, make it a scoop. >> there's grudging recognition on the republican side that they are blowing it on tax reform of all things. rand paul's off the reservation, john mccain's off the reservation, they blew it, they couldn't resist the urge to shovel the money in the direction of the rich. and now they're going to have to regroup, i think. >> a loser. go ahead, jeff. >> top congressional democrats believe they had a deal with president trump to support the d.r.e.a.m. act to protect the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers. now president trump had dinner with congressional republicans and they say he backs their plan, which is far more restrictive and could include funding for the long-promised southern border wall. >> i don't think so. >> back on the gun issue.
>> i think he speaks with forked tongue. >> back on the gun issue, the nra that we've been talking about, their political power, they actually used to be much more reasonable. they supported background checks. they essentially got primaried by grouped to their right, including gun owners of america that calls itself the only no-compromise gun group in washington. >> they're tougher than nra. when we return, thought on this how to las vegas horror fits into our political history. you're watching "hardball."
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let me end tonight with a word about guns. and the feelings so many of us have after that deadly shooting. as i opened the show last night i noted how gruesomely custom wed have gotten to this. every time someone with easy access to guns goes on one of these deadly and familiar sprees we take two predictable steps. we catalog the location by location -- orlando, virginia tech, sandy hook, columbine, aurora, san bernardino -- then consign it to the history books. now a fresh entry, we tag it "las vegas," trying to ignore the fact that the name of that
city will forever carry a trace of gun smoke and death. by the way, sunday's carnage on the las vegas strip was the precise two-year anniversary, though i know that's not the right word for it, for a mass shooting in rose berg, oregon. a 26-year-old killed eight fellow students and a professor at the local community college. ironically, although that minot be the right word, this is where presidential land date robert kennedy spoke ten days before he himself was shot and killed. despite the local sheriff's warning about hostile demonstrate there's day, or more like because of it, bobby wanted to talk to the people of rose berg about gun control. i describe in my book that comes out this month, he stood before a crowd of united states hundreds in this lumberjack town and spoke of the outlandish case of a guy on death row in kansas, a murderer who killed a half dozen people who had sent away to chicago for a mail order
rifle and had it arrive. does that make any sense, he demanded, that you should put rifles and haguns in the hands people with control natural record, those are so young they don't know how to handle guns? this drew boos from the listeners. "they'll get them anyway," someone shouted. deputy's brother, the president, had been shot and killed five years earlier by someone using a mail order rifle. a month before bobby stood in an african-american neighborhood in indianapolis telling those that martin luther king had just been shot and killed in memphis. a week and a half later, after his visit to rose burg, bobby kennedy was shot and killed. and here we are tonight. once again wondering about this country we live in. is this as good as it gets here? where assassinations by gun spire separate from us the rest of the world? from lincoln to garfield to mckinley to attempts on theodore and franklin roosevelt and truman. the kiting of president kennedy,
the near-ankling of ronald reagan, the killing of martin luther king and robert kennedy and all these mass shootings that scream but refuse to be heard, only in america. i was up in montreal when bobby was shot. a french canadian cab driver taking me back to the airport kept mumbling, "the giant has stubbed his toe, the giant has stubbed his toe." when i got back to chapel hill where i was going to school i wrote my congressman, the only time in my life i did so. johnny carson was huge and a friend of bobby's had been up to that night determinedly nonpolitical but he made an interception urging to write those who represent us in washington to do something about the ease with which all kinds of people get their hands on guns. we are not, we know, a giant stumbling in the dark. we know the country we live in. if some believe this is the best we can do, let them say so. if there are those who believe we can do better, let them say so all the louder. perhaps this starts with a call to your member of congress. and here, if your care, is the
capitol phone number. write it down. 202-225-3121. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> the fact that he had the type of weaponry and the amount of weaponry in that room, it was preplanned. >> war zone in las vegas. >> a battlefield, that's exactly what it was. >> new details on the shooter's massive arsenal. and the same old excuses to stay out of the gun debate. >> i think it's premature. >> we'll be talking about gun laws as time goes by. plus inside a gun shop the day after the shooting. >> to the people that think, why does anyone need these things? why do you need five of them? what do you say? >> why do you need two cars? >> back to puerto rico. >> on a local level, they have to give us more help. >> the unbelievable scene during