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with giant paper money. you might call it monopoly money. sometimes he put on a monacle. i would always be playing with my mustache if it looked like that. all in the nail of drawing attention on forced arbitration clauses used throughout the industry. the groups who protested said they are get out of jail free cards which the monopoly man also had with him today. it was pretty clever. it made me, whatever happened to season three of mr. robot? "the beat" starts right now. >> people forget the get out of jail free card, that is the pardon power in the game of monopoly. >> there it is. >> there you go. >> i have a feeling you're setting yourself up for something. >> maybe. i wanted to get involved. thank you. here's a message that is new today. quote, the russians did it, they'll do it again, but there is no final answer on whether the trump campaign helped them.
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that was essentially the urging and bipartisan message we heard from the senate investigation into russian meddling. they don't hold this kind of briefing very often. the top republican offered findings that directly contradicted president trump on russia while avoiding a direct confrontation with trump when pushed by a reporter. >> the president has said that any talk of collusion is a home. and you've gone through all these documents, interviewed all these people. at this point strks president right? >> i'm going to let you quote the president and ask him questions about what he said. it won't be the xlee. >> do you have any he evidence to suggest the president knew anything about any of these contacts? >> i thought i was clear. the issue is still open. that we continue to investigate
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both intelligence and witnesses. >> still open. senate investigators are not ruling collusion in or out. that was the biggest headline from this briefing today. then senator burr turned to the infamous dossier. >> it is a relates to the steel dossier, unfortunately, the committee has hit a wall. we have on several occasions made attempts to contact mr. steele, to meet with mr. steele, those offers have gone unsecond. the committee cannot really decide the credibility of the dossier understanding things like who paid for it? who are your sources and sub sources? and though we have been incredibly enlightened at our ability to rebuild backwards the
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steele dossier up to a certain date, getting past that point has been somewhat impossible. >> the translation there is that the senate cannot get the dossier's author to talk. maybe mueller will have better luck. if there was a bipartisan note today, it was these intel leaders from both parties coming together to warn the russians will be at it again. >> the russian active efforts did not end on election day, 2016. >> what i will confirm is that the russian intelligence service is determined, clever, and i recommend that every campaign and every election official take there very seriously. >> take it seriously. today i'll speak to senator jeff merckly about the news and whether he takes it seriously. let's get right to it. you worked for condi rice, and a
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former staffer and members of intel committee and member of the armed services committee. the issue of collusion is still open. what does that mean to you? >> that means today senator burr didn't outright dismiss this probe as a home, as president trump has called the russia probe. i found very revealing that he said, he expects this to be ongoing and though he's had this aspirational time line, of ending this at the end of 2017, it is likely to be ongoing through 2018 and they want to give a report before the 2818 mid terms. >> aspirational time line. is that the wording you would use? >> it is going to take a long time. i think that the nuances planning senator burr used today reflects the difficult position he's had among some republicans who really liked the see this
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russia probe just go away. >> and mikka, you've worked up close, more than most people on the congressional side. they have a lot of power. particularly when there is a bipartisan process. they have subpoena power and they can make people talk to a point. they're not the apex power. what did you make of senator burr showing his reporting, his assessment of the fact some answers aren't attainable if people won't talk with them lt. >> i think senator burr was sending a clear message. you either cooperate with us and come in and we'll let you do it nice way. or if you resist, we'll let you do it the hard way. we're going to drag you in front of the cameras. if you take fifth, we'll make it as uncomfortable as possible. >> and i want to ask, you
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contradicting donald trump, the political findings that russia is involved, which everyone involved in intel has already said, while declining to actually fact check the president personally and of course, we all know but here it is, donald trump saying so many times things require being fact checked. >> as far as hacking, i think it was russia. but i think we get hacked by other countries and other people. >> you don't think the russians meddled in the election. >> that i don't know. i'll go along with russia. it could have been china. it could have been a lot of groups. if russia did anything having to do with our election, i want to know about it. >> will you once and for all, yes or no, difinitively say that russia interfered in the 2016 election? >> well, i think it was russia and i think it could have been other people in other countries. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure.
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>> richard burr today said he knows. >> that's right. richard burr said it is kre clear. they said it was absolutely russia and he refused to give the president the one thing the president he has been asking everyone for. the president wants to be exonerated. when asked the direct question, senator burr said i can't give that you answer. >> when you look at where it goes from here, it does take longer. the other piece, the other disagreement i heard was mark warner saying there are things we can do. look at the russian ads. and burr said that's already illegal. there was a bipartisan mood and style but underneath it, you could see different ideas about whether anything more has to be done. >> i think this is tension that we'll see on facebook and twitter and google execs, if
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they agree to it before they testify. in front of senator byrd, senator warner and all the former members of the intel committee. this tension of what happened with the political advertising. >> if it was legal, as so many bad things can mean left field, then you do have to ask. there was this area. democrat mark warner hitting much harder. >> it has been disappointing the me, it took 11 months for the department of homeland security to reveal those 21 states. >> some local voting officials saying that the feds there, the trump administration made their jobs. more difficult with that big delay about which states were targeted by russian hackers.
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i want to turn to one of the officials right now. alex padilla is california's secretary of state. and joins me exclusively on "the beat." is the trump administration getting this right? were you warned in time? >> thanks for having us. so we're here tow express frustration. it takes nearly a year for the department of homeland security to share cyber threat information with election officials, at the state or local level, that's not on a timely basis for us to do something about it. in real-time. and unfortunately, what has also come about is you have wisconsin, california at a minimum. and have questioned the quality. we certainly need to improve upon our communication and our protocols going forward. >> do you know why they waited so long to warn you? >> no clear answer as to why. some partial reasons including,
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for example, clearances. if it is indeed sensitive or classified information. and secretaries of state have not been cleared to obtain certain intelligence reports from homeland security, nsa, fbi or others, that does cause a delay. there's both administrative as well as legislative efforts to provide those clearances for state elections officials. >> are you getting what you need from the feds? are you confident that you're going to be able to withstand any meddling, and intrusions in the next election? >> you hit it right on the nose here. it is not just about debating what did or did not happen in 2016. that picture is pretty clear. every day that goes by, either the white house, or the department of homeland security doesn't act with a sense of urgency on doing this better is one less day that we have to prepare for 2018. so i'm eagerly awaiting this october 14 meeting where the department of homeland security will formalize a coordinating
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council. dhs representatives and others, to formalize a protocol that should be in place going forward. >> alex padilla, california secretary of state, i want to thank you. i want mika to respond. you hear the secretary of state here. he's saying on the one hand, there are particulars and they need to continue to work with the feds. but the feds in the senate are concerned about us getting hit again. >> that was a very interesting moment at the end of the press conference today where senator burr said they would do things differently than what dhs is doing. that they have run into this administration and they will do some things they need to improve. very interesting. the senators are much more proactive about responding to and preparing for the 2018 elections than this president. >> this is the weird part. i don't like to put these voting
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officials on, i spoke to one who said, look i have to work with these guys. they're in the middle of this working relationship. but no one in the trump administration or elsewhere has given a great reason for this 11-month delay. and we've sustain president running the administration, giving doubt to the whole issue this is a dereliction of duty on the part of the trump administration and the obama administration, for not taking a stronger, more proactive stance when the extent of russian meddling came clear. both sides of the aisle. the executive leadership has to be demonstrated to protect the integrity of our elections. >> my thanks to secretary of state alex padilla. how closely is bob mueller coordinating with congress? we have news on that tonight. and the trump real estate feel almost potentially led to felony fraud charges.
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everybody has their jurisdictional lanes. we talk, i won't say regularly but the special counsel was focused on criminal acts. we're not focused on criminal acts. if we find one, then it is the first phone call we make. >> that's not what you want to hear if you are a suspect in the russia investigation. the leader of the senate inquiry saying if they find evidence of crimes, they're calling the cops. the federal cops. specifically, bob mueller. they said they've been gathering lots of evidence, working six and seven day weeks.
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250 plus hours, 4,000 pages of transcripts. mueller working on his own track, interviewing current and former white house staff. meanwhile in another case, pafrt, his estranged son-in-law talking about misleading in real estate court. and routting some of the traffic to trump organization computers. and they said anything-related to jim comey over he. >> the last one i want to cover is the comey memos. this topic has been hotly debated and the committee is satisfied that our involvement with this issue has reached a logical end as it relates to the russia are investigation.
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now again, this is not something that we've closed. questions that you might have surrounding comey's firing are better answer bid the general counsel or the justice department. >> by the justice department. i'm joined now by a former senior official. at the top of the show we were covering this unusual press conference, what we gleaned about it for intelligence in russia. i come to you now on what it means for the special counsel's inquiry. what did you hear today that is relevant to bob mueller's open inquiry? >> well, i don't think there was a tremendous amount relevant to bob mueller here. this was more a status report -- >> let me interrupt you right out of the gate. i just played sound where senator burr said, if you have questions about jim comey, go talk to mueller, don't talk to us. the idea that it is surrounding
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the criminal obstruction in this case. it was an issue in the articles of impeachment drafted against two different presidents. if you have obstruction questions, go talk to mueller. >> that's what i meant. burr was saying, this is not their lane. this is not the intel lane. they're focusing more on what did russia do in the election and who if anyone helped them. and anything else beyond that, subsequent time, the obstruction piece, is being examined by mueller and maybe by the senate judiciary committee. >> is mueller better equipped to get at the dossier than the senate investigators. >> that's a good question. it depends on who else was involved in it. who else among u.s. persons was involved that might be able to be turned to act as steele. steele isn't a u.s. person. he's british.
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so it is harder to get access to him. mueller is very good at this and will certainly try, if he finds that it is relevant. and we don't know that. >> for viewers, there are sometimes crimes that involve foreign nationals. how do you get a foreign national here if he was an observer or a documentaryian? steele a guy who allegedly knows a lot or intersected with key people gathering intel. he's not as far as we know involved to the degree that they could pursue him as suspect. how do you do that as a prosecutor? >> to some degree, you are depending on the cooperation of a foreign national. to some degree, you are looking at perhaps whether the foreign national has committed any acts that might be subject to separate investigation. >> right. you need a hook. >> that's the issue. writing the dossier makes you
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potentially the most interesting person in the world, to some people bust we're not hearing from him yet. and burr, with that frustration. on the flip side, politico is reporting that a lot of them, they say losing patience with republican leaders over the wide ranging russia probes sgreepg his inner circle, saying house speaker paul ryan and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell have allowed it in the white house for months. >> this is absolutely unsurprising as the tack they will take. blame it on mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. that's what they're doing with everything. by pushing the blame on to the gop leadership, which unpopularity is lower than trump's right now, that's just an easier tack and an easier out. instead of actually having to own up to any of the problem
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that's might be revealed. >> and last question, of course, i have to ask but private, personal e-mail accounts. it just never goes away. in this case, jared kushner set up three of them. how about the timing that he was setting up, forwarding and doing white house business on these accounts after hearing inquiries from the federal prosecutors? >> well, it depends what's in them. i think it is likely that kushner's own lawyers may be eager to turn stuff over and share them with the special counsel, if they feel there's nothing in there that implicates they will. the very fact he was use a private e-mail account is not necessarily indicative of nefariousness or even that he was breaking the law, as long as he was forwarding the e-mails to his government account as his
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lawyer claims that he did. >> why three? >> i think one was his, one was his wife's, and the third one, you got me. there are possibly innocent explanations for this. sometimes logistics. it is definitely something that the special counsel and i believe senate judiciary committee folks will be looking at. >> a careful and thoughtful prosecutor. always appreciate that. and elise jordan, always good to see you. another big story, ivanka trump, trump jr., and a real estate deal that prosecutors were looking at as a felonious fraud indictment. the reporter who broke this story is here for an exclusive on "the beat." and rex tillerson not denying he called donald trump a moron and he is not the only one
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new revelations prosecutors explored fraud charges against ivanka and donald trump jr. including written evidence that there were lies if a cover-up and this case was closed after money was given to the office. it is now being returned in response to this office. this all matters more now because some of the key players are implicated in the russia investigation. a dispute began with trump soho. but it did not begin in soho. because trump soho was not te technically in soho. that's one of the series of false hoods or lies, depending on who you believe about, the trump kids allegedly lied to sell those cond owes in 2008.
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he said no one would find out but he was wrong. the prosecutors dug into how they were 60% sold when they were only at 15%. and the trump tactics trump used. the front door, when they went through front door they had typical defense lawyers. but in the side door, this man, famous for his brief stint as trump's lead stint as attorney. now, head prosecutor in new york said he'll return the money that he got four years ago. he denies that any of this impacted his decision to close the case. he said even if they lied about
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trump soho, not all lies are crimes. >> at the end of the day, i have to look at all the evidence and weigh all the factors. by the way, not every lie is a crime. >> this whole tale is a long way from trump's vision for trump soho when he launched it on the apresent miss the 2006. >> located in the middle of manhattan, the trump international hotel and tower in soho is the site of my latest development. when it is completed in 2008, this brilliant $370 million work of art will be an awe-inspiring master piece. >> art is in the eye of the beholder. trump soho was always a half truth. a trump property not in soho. the new report notes only a third of the units have sold and it was seized by creditors. making it neither trump nor soho. with me on "the beat," one of the authors of this report. what is the most important
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takeaway? >> well, there are two. one is that ivanka and trump jr. were targets of a criminal probe. we didn't know that until this report. and the second is that after this unusual intervention from mark cass wits, the case was dropped after the manhattan d.a. overruled his prosecutors. his prosecutors, the lying prosecutors, the supervisors, all the way up to the director of investigations, wanted to indict here. and vance overruled them. >> so the people working the case thought they could feloniously indict. >> there were complications and they believed in the case. in the spring of 2012, they were escalating the case and it was
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shut down. >> we can't prove -- >> we don't allege that. and vance said he made the decision on the merits. we do know that in, at one point, he he becomes one of the major donors. right ahead of the meeting, vance returns the $25,000 donati donation. then he meese and three months later they close the investigation. overruling the prosecutors. a month later he gets back in touch with vance's people and says i would like -- >> so you have all of these linkages. two sew yet businessmen, a history of running afoul of the law in 1998 for a $40 million securities fraud scheme. and felix sater has been implicated in a lot of machinations around the 2016
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meddling. >> exactly. he is a felon. he stabbed a guy in the neck with a margarita glass stem as one does in a bar fight. since then, he was marketing a trump property in russia and said to e-mail the trump lawyer, and said we can get our boy elected here. >> stay with me. >> a pretty fascinating piece of reporting here. how do you view it? >> i think what is really interesting is the story behind the scene in terms of how the decisions got made and then what is the actual behavior of ivanka and donald trump jr. in terms of of our first approach is, what is the standard the d.a. used to make the decisions that he made. and i can tell that you the standard stays the same. it is whether or not you believe that you can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. that's the standard. it is subjectively interpreted.
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in this case, where you have the elected, vance, making the decision over his pros xurts are conducting the investigation and presumably, would have been making a charging decision on their own, having that decision taken away from them by the elected official, that doesn't happen very often but it does happen. and when that elected official makes that decision, this is what the result is. >> you're saying that can happen in the normal course. briefly in fairness from the prosecutor, they basically say, there was never sufficient evidence to support criminal prosecution is that they add the luxury apartment purchasers who were at issue reversed course. basically the time of people who would have been witnesses said no biggy. >> that's true. the caveat is, one, they hadn't finished collecting all the information from the grand jury where people would have been zpefg presumably, would have been subject to possibly perjury charges. then the behavior it sell which
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is proven that we already know about from the e-mails passed back and forth from ivanka and donald trump jr. indicating that they were aware of, agreed to and had disseminated themselves the statements. and then the issue becomes, are these statements mere puffery or false statements? and if they're false, then it opens the door to criminal prosecution and potential civil liability. that's the concern. >> and he's saying, when it is just the tunnel, you don't to go jail for that. >> did the trump kids talk to you? >> no. they did not. their lawyer gave a statement. >> thank you. a very interesting story. coming up, nbc reporting that secretary of state tillerson called trump a moron. at's the v? what's critical thinking like? a basketball costs $14. what's team spirit worth? (cheers)
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because this happened. >> we'll deal with rebuilding, repair, debris removal, getting the electric grid up, getting the water back and so forth. we are not going to be offering a bailout for puerto rico or for its current bond holders. >> or blasting the iran deal. >> the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the united states has ever entered into. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states. >> which his pentagon chief undercut this week. >> secretary mattis, very quick short answer, question, do you believe it is in our national security interests at the present time to remain in the jcpoa? that's a yes or no question. >> yes, senator, i do. >> i do. that's a yes to the iran deal.
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this type of interplay is not normal. and it is concerning no matter what you think of donald trump. for points, it is another sign of bumbling, failed leadership. for supporters, it forces people to clues between the experts trump close and trump himself. that's just in public. in private, rex tillerson calling trump a moron with others present. and tillerson says this is all petty but he declined the easy chance to deny it. >> did you address the main headline of this story that you called the president a moron? if not, where do you think these reports are -- >> i'm not going to deal with petty stuff like that. >> this story is embarrassing for trump. that's not what makes it important. the larger import is the breakdown of basic policy and consistency on matters of potential life and death in the united states with. me now, a former democrat from
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north dakota. senator, you're a serious man. sometimes you give us optimism. what can you give us here? >> well, i don't know. this is the most bizarre thing i've ever watched. i've been around presidents for 30 something years and he this must be creative tension. or maybe it is all an accident. a president undermining a cabinet. cabinet members undermining the president. let me give you another example. you mentioned the ones about puerto rico and tillerson. i was in iowa. i was there when president trump spoke up and spoke at the same conference and he said to iowans, you can count on me on renewable fuels. i'll help rebuild the industry. last week scott pruitt, the administrator says it doesn't matter to me. he said i'm thinking of shrinking the renewable fuels industry what do you believe? is it just words or something more than words? i hope the president made the right choice when he was in iowa.
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but this goes on and on with case after case of undermining. back and forth. >> and you say you've dealt with presidents before. you may be familiar with the expression, word is bond. >> sure. >> is the president's word bond to anyone? and how much harder does that make it for his officials that we've shown or people like you. people in the senate. people who need do deal with him on solutions. if nothing, he says that holds his own people. >> mr. mulvany said with respect to the puerto rican debt, he said you can't go word for word what this president says. this president has a significant credibility issue. that's a fact uflt to understand not just what he says but what does he mean, and that's very difficult. onward through the fog. that's very difficult to discern. >> is it really so surprising that trump is contradicting his own subordinates when trump contradicts trump all the time?
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he is completely inconsistent on almost everything from daca to taxes to health care. he changes his mind all the time. even when he thinks he is being consistent, half the time he is contradicting something else that he said. so of course, his word isn't his bond. and of course, he is going to butt heads we the members of his cabinet. i think it doesn't really matter to him when members of his cab complete the or others contradict him on policy matters. he does seem to care a lot if he is embarrassed in some sense because of a particular private or public insult. >> you say embarrassed. you know, feelings matter a lot in life. >> trump is a snow flake. >> you think he was hurt by rex calling him a moron. do you think this will affect their personal relationship? >> of course. but it was already frayed to begin with. long before this story came out and was broken by nbc, tillerson
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was supposedly threatening not to come back to d.c. because he was upset about comments that trump had made to the boy scouts. tillerson himself having been an eagle scout because trump had undermined him on iran, on qatar, on north korea on, basically every issue that is important under the sun. >> and a final word. there is another cabinet vacancy at hhs. what do you advise people who would consider filling these posts? >> well, walk softly. price got fired or resigned, not because of what he did so much. because of the optics. and this president doesn't want, he doesn't want to be somebody who appears embarrassed by his staff. so it is all about optics. whether he looks bad or not. that ought not be the standard. and it raises the question of whether electing someone famous for branding, leads the a branding driven presidency, a
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the foreign relations committee. your state, oregon, one of the 21 states targeted. you've expressed these he concerns before. walk us through how oerg and these states get ready. and any thoughts you want to share on the collusion part of the investigation. >> one of the most vulnerable parts is our voter database. that's why care. back-ups are kept so it can be restored if it was successfully hacked. our voting system which involves vote by mail is impossible to hack. citizens have two and a half weeks the return they will. they are kounlth by a system and tallied without being connected to the internet. so everybody in the country who wants a system that is resilient to such hacking should look at oregon's system sfl. so you have that confidence. >> the plot just gets thicker.
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we now know thanks to information released today that very carefully crafted targeting was done in michigan and wisconsin. michigan which had a vote difference of 10,000 votes,22,0 cases, less than 1%. and how did this sophisticated targeting occur. who provided the insight to russia on how to target -- >> are you saying, senator, that the circumstantial evidence suggests that they would have needed american expertise to do th that? >> yes. that is the likely result. they had the ads targeted in the concept of attacking issues related to race. certainly they were engaged in other strategies -- >> so you're saying the open question is which americans -- we talk a lot about which campaign. you're saying it looks like some americans helped the russians and the big question is whether or not they're affiliated with donald trump or not. >> it's very likely and we need
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to get to the bottom of who was involved here. >> and senator, because your committee oversees the state department, vi to ask you about these reports. the secretary of state called the president a moron. you view of how that affects diplomacy or our stand in the world. >> it doesn't affect it as much as the continuous undermining of our department of state on the most serious issues, including iran and north korea and qatar in the middle east. on north korea, there is no military option. north korea has a significant deter rent capacity conventio l conventionally as well as having nuclear weapons. and when our president demeans and tries to undo any effort to apply pressure to provide a nonmilitary outcome favorable to our national security, he is doing great damage to our nation. and i think tillerson was trying to find the correct right path
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to apply pressure. and to have the president undermine him is a huge mistake on the president's side. >> i don't want to diminish the complexity, but it seems like you're more team tillerson than team trump at least as it relates to the policy orientation. >> in this case, yes. >> you made some news here as well. appreciate you joining us. coming up, a message to mark zuckerberg about fake news. i'm never gonna be able to sleep with this cold. i'll take a sick day tomorrow. on our daughter's birthday? moms don't take sick days...
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russia briefing focused on collusion. but the top democrat there also said tech companies are finally stepping up to their responsibilities after russian meddling. >> i think the companies are increasingly understanding that their actions need to match their public statements that they realize how important it is to maintain the sbekty of our democratic process. >> if that is true, it is certainly a long ways from mark zuckerberg's first response to his company's role in spreading fake news after the election. >> personally, i think the idea that, you know, fake news on facebook of which it's a very small amount of the content inclunsed the election in any way i think is a pretty crazy idea. >> a pretty crazy idea. zuckerberg has walked the statement back.
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the company is now cooperating with investigators. but how is facebook stepping up to its civic obligations rights now. well it's again a coop duet for fake news, this week spreading falsehoods in the wake of the mass murders in las vegas. even the company's official safety check page for the shooting displayed a false item from alt-right news which incorrectly identified the shooter describing him as quote a trump hating liberal. this week facebook promoted fake news with a political agenda in the midst of an merge when americans needed vetted facts and facebook responded by blaming their al go rit. ment -- algorithm. google also prominently spread fake news this week about las vegas. look at this false headline at the shoot per. this is not true.
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it claims quote las vegas shooter reportedly a democrat associated with with anti-trump army. that's not true. this false account of the gunmen spent hours at the top of google's search results for that man's name. if google were a tv channel, that would be the equivalent of running the fams story on the screen for hours and hours after the shooting on monday. we all know that google is not a tv channel. it actually reaches way more people. now that false claim came from trolls from a toxic online message board which spent the night scheming how to pin the shooting on liberals, that according to reporting in the "the new york times." we only know about all of that this week because of journalists tracking it down. that's the plot that google and facebook said their algorithms couldn't check. it's the same pattern as the russian ads. these companies.
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they both to investors about their ability to target, pinpoint, to monetize everything. and then when it comes to their civic responsibility, they act like rookies who can't handle their own algorithms. these companies want to be neutral because it's profitable. but you can't be neutral about lies. you can't be undecided about spreading lies in the middle of the emergency that we faced this week. in the movie "the social network" the fictional character has a line where he says, you don't need a forensic's team to get to the bottom of this, he says, quote, if you guys were the inventor of facebook, you would have invented facebook. now that fictional line on this fictional story may apply to some truths. if facebook really wanted to get to the bottom of this, they would have gotten to the bottom of this. here's looking at you, mark. and that does it for this hour. also a programming note.
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at 9:00 p.m. eastern i will be in for rachel maddow if you want to tune in and i'll be back here at 6 p.m. eastern. hardball with chris matthews is up next. moron. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington where the united states secretary of state is now on record calling the president of the united states a moron. this riff between the president and his top diplomat secretary of state rex tillerson is deep and dangerous. tillerson and the state department are now in damage control after an nbc report offers details of the tension and terrible words passing between tillerson and the president. multiple senior administration officials tell nbc that tillerson was on the


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