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in words of michelle goldberg, a malevolent toddler. what the words of white house officials, the picture they paint. josh earnest, much appreciated. >> that's all for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts now with ari melber in for rachel. >> there's a lot going on in the world, not least significant russian investigation. heads of senate intelligence committee revealed after 100 witness interviews can't rule out collusion between the trump campaign and russia. and unusual appearance by the secretary of state whose only appearance was to deny ever threatening to leave his post and what he didn't deny today. more on those shortly. also getting reports that three
american soldiers were killed and two more wounded in ambush in the western african nation of niger. all green berets on routine patrol with local troops when the attack occurred. and more details about the deadly shooting in las vegas. clark county sheriff revised number of wounded to 489. more than 300 already released from the hospital. gunman's girlfriend marilou danley also arrived from the philippines and whisked away for questioning by fbi agents, described as quote person of interest in the case. and statement from her attorney today, she says she's devastated and knew nothing of her partner's plans. president and first lady visited first responders and tweeted out
these pictures with medical team that treated over 100 victims in the terrible shooting. despite scrutiny law enforcement say no closer to determining a motive but know that paddock planned attack. recovering arms from the hotel room and homes at least a dozen modified with bump stocks to allow semiautomatic weapons to fire almost as fast as fully automatic ones. sale of new fully automatic weapons had been banned in the united states since 1986. bump stocks though are legal. though in the wake of sunday's attack, signs that may be changing. california democrat diane feinstein introducing a bill in senate to ban sale of bump stocks that is earning support even from republican colleagues. mention that because more on
that important development later this hour. begin with the latest developments in congress and the russia investigation. just one month ago that top democrat on the house intelligence committee adam schiff made big headlines when he announced his committee might conclude investigation into russian meddling in the election with two separate reports. partisan effectively, one from republicans and one from the committee's democrats. told "usa today" at the time, if it does, americans will have to read both and decide which to believe. that's far less than ideal. you may remember at time the claim raised eyebrows but not a massive surprise for anyone following this. from the beginning, house intelligence committee investigation was totally beset by obvious partisan infighting. starting with republican chairman of that committee, a name you may remember, devon
nuñez, a trump adviser in the transition and had to later step down from role overseeing the investigation because of the close ties to the white house, his behavior and disorder on the house side. which increased pressure on counterpart in the upper chamber, senate committee to provide a bipartisan account of what transpired in the last election. robert mueller has the criminal mandate, focused on potential federal crimes and can look at intel issues as well. if you want a broad bipartisan accounting of what went down in the election, that's the purview of the senate intelligence committee. last month members on the senate side announced a surprise of their own. they were weighing the possibility of issuing an interim report on their progress in this inquiry. top democrat mark warner said he worried that that could slow
down their work and noted import of one big issue, urgent election security information. said quote it's very important we put out something about the importance of protecting our electoral systems before 2018. that's a shot across the bow, concern about the next election. and then the committee announced on friday there would not be this formal interim report but something else kind of rare. bipartisan briefing on the status of this open investigation into what happened with russia. on camera with questions. that was unusual scene that unfolded today. these two leaders came out and delivered a verbal interim report on their work. they have those signs you see there, announcing 100 plus interviews and held 11 open hearings and poured over 100,000 documents. if anyone is impatient with the pacing here, republican chair wants you to know, everything is
on track. >> let me assure you, we're going to get the best view of what happened that anybody could possibly get. at the end of this process, we will be sure that we present to the american people our findings as best we have been able to accumulate them. issue of collusion is still open. that we continue to investigate both intelligence and witnesses. and that we're not in a position where we will come to any type of temporary finding on that until we've completed the process. >> the issue of collusion is still open. that's the biggest headline. and committee said it would continue to look at anything amounting to even a hint of collusion. two men also confirmed committee reached logical end to investigation regarding the firing of fbi director jim
comey, who was overseeing the original fbi russia inquiry. then delved into the matters of security. acknowledged it's hard to conclude these efforts when trump's director of homeland security only recently finished notifying the states targeted by russian hacking attempts. >> one of the things that's particularly troubling to both of us is the fact that it's become evident that 21 states' electoral systems were -- not all penetrated -- but there was at least -- trying to open the door in these 21 states. it has been very disappointing to me and i believe the chairman as well that it took 11 months for the department of homeland
security to reveal those 21 states. >> senator warner is diplomatic. he says russia was trying to open the door and it took 11 months for the trump administration to tell anyone on the other side of the door manning the door in these states, hey, we've got a problem here. senator warner is also saying at investigative level, all of this does take a long time. fair point. and he he says you know what, takes a lot longer when trump associates have secret meetings they keep secret and then they get exposed in real time. >> note that it is taking a long time. it is taking a long time. but getting it right and getting all the facts is what we owe the american people. and as we've seen, for example, stories that emerged in the late summer around mr. trump junior's meeting or possibilities of a
trump tower moscow, chairman and i would love to find ways to close things down but also still see strains and threads that we need to continue to pursue. >> for example, maybe you had secret meetings about building a trump tower in moscow and denied it the whole campaign. senatorial example there. talks about strains and threads as well. they do keep coming. last week revealed six top presidential aides using private e-mail accounts for government matters. among them, jared kushner, who previously failed to disclose his meetings with russian officials in the transition. so unhappy learned about the existence of the personal e-mail account via news reports. wrote kushner to double check he's turned over every relevant document to the committee. those are the documents you saw
on the big list. and this week we learned that clandestine effort was not only russian real estate deal prosed. on monday with the world focused on the tragedy in las vegas, "washington post" had a big russia scoop, reporting that recent documents that the special counsel and committees revealed two more previously unreported contacts with the russia in the campaign. first instance, reaches out to the president's lawyer michael cohen about a trump real estate deal in moscow. second time is while trump was running for president. other previously unreported contact with cohen and felix sater describing him going to top summit and who was going to be there? vladimir putin.
today's briefing the senators name checked michael cohen, said going to hear his testimony on october 25th. one of 25 witnesses that burr and warner intend to interview by the end of this month. testimony is significant because in addition to involvement in the proposed trump tower real estate deal, name appears several times in the dossier compiled by ex-mi-6 operative steele. describing meetings between cohen and russian officials overseas that cohenco continueso deny occurred. big take-away is when it comes to dossier, the investigation has hit something of a dead end. >> as it relates to the steele
dossier. unfortunately the committee has hit a wall. we have on several occasions made attempts to contact mr. steele, meet with mr. steele. gone unaccepted. committee can't really decide the credibility of the dossier without understanding things like who paid for it, who are your sources and subsources. and though we have been incredibly enlighted at our ability to rebuild backwards the steele dossier up to a certain date, getting back that point has been somewhat impossible. >> joining me is congressman adam schiff, ranking member of the house side of this. congressman, thank you for your time tonight. >> you bet. >> on the dossier, your committee also wants to talk to
steele. how do you get to someone with his background abroad to talk at all? >> we've made outreach, we've offered, mr. conway and myself to go to london and sit down if that's more comfortable. i hope he will take us up on that. that would be one way to accomplish this. we're open to any possibility. whatever form he's willing to cooperate with us. >> and senator burr in the briefing referred to entire russian advertising effort as quote indiscriminate. do you look at it that way? something all over the place or can we say based on the public information and leaks that it had more of a focal point? >> i don't think you can say with respect to the advertising that the russians were equal opportunity dividers, certainly a lot of the ads on facebook were very divisive but a lot of the ads and issues they chose to
exploit were ones that i think the exploitation of that was to donald trump's benefit. one example, ads of muslims for hillary and targeted people that had shown a concern about the muslim brotherhood for example, that's designed to push people away from hillary clinton. on the surface look neutral but targeting have a pointed effect. and haven't paid much attention to the ads on twitter publicly. but the rt ads were almost uniformly anti-clinton. pushing stories about hillary clinton's health or how close the clintons were to indictment or dissatisfaction with hillary by the bernie supporters, among the twitter ads quite uniformly
anti-clinton. >> the ads that rt purchased? >> that rt purchased. rt chose certain stories it wanted to push out to the american electorate during the election that were profiled on rt. those you have to conclude there was clear design in these ads. with facebook we have to go beneath the surface to look at how they were targeted to get at russian intentions but again the advertising is just one subset of what the russians did. we have to look at content they were pushing out, stories they were pushing out, twitter trends they were trying to create. i think we have a lot more work to do to uncover the breadth and depth of that as well as just who they were going after and how they were trying to manipulate our voters. >> you're saying while you and burr both see ads or content that mentions clinton and trump, he's reading that as perhaps helping both and you're saying
bulk of the russian-backed ads referencing trump were helpful to him and ones preferencirefer clinton were fall false flags to help trump? >> if you look at example of the rt ads on twitter, $400,000 or so expenditure that rt made, those you have to conclude on the surface were meant to hurt hillary clinton's campaign. on facebook i think probably the majority of the ads sought to exploit the divisions in the united states and you have to look i don't understand the superficial appearance to the targeting of the ad to figure out who they were trying to move -- >> and that targeting, do you think it was kind of expertise, detail and nuance that the russians needed american help to do? >> that's the million dollar question here. was the sophistication such that it couldn't have been done
without the data analytics of the campaign and on that don't have conclusion yet. i do agree with colleagues in the senate that evidence we've seen on the assessment, including the russian motivation of hurting hillary and helping trump, evidence we've seen to date is supportive of that assessment. haven't seen anything to contradict it. we're not done but we've come a long way in that area of our investigation. >> busy day for intel on the hill. i really appreciate you spending time with us. >> my pleasure. thank you. lot more to come, including the seemingly strange position one member of the trump cabinet is in tonight and latest on something important, policy response to las vegas mass murders. this proposal is not a slam dunk but a flicker of a chance. that story is coming up. and this woman is laughing because she's pretending her boss's terrible story is funny.
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the year was 1929. february 14th, the city of chicago in shock over the st. valentine's day massacre. al capone ordered murder of rival dpang. murdered in chicago garage. sensational crime and nation was horrified that seven people could be killed so quickly in urban center. chicago tribune ran editorial with the shock of the scale of the killing. >> these murders went out of the comprehension of civilized city.
raises the question for chicago, is it helpless to stop the butchering of seven people. no shooting of seven today while horrific, not usually the lead story on the evening news. st. valentine's day massacre is remembered as gangland prohibition history than political science lesson in gun control but maybe it was that too. it did shock the conscience of the nation and congress responded by regulating guns. gang violence led to several big policy changes. prohibition was deemed a failure and halted in 1933. next year president roosevelt signed national firearms act. first gun control legislation in america. used laws and taxes to regulate machine guns and sawed off shot
guns. one endorser was frederick. didn't believe in the general or promiscuous toting of guns. president of the nra. nra backed that gun control law in 1934. for the next 30 years nra supported and sometimes wrote gun control legislation. worked with ronald reagan in 1967 when he was california governor to ban open carrying in his state. politics of that effort not about carrying guns in abstract but black panthers carrying guns. black panthers staged open carry protest at state capital and unrest at time probably impacted how law and order efforts led to new laws but that california ban is on the books today and following year after assassinations of mlk and rfk
lyndon johnson signed new gun control act restricting sale of mail order guns like the one lee harvey oswald used. but registration he really wanted was blocked by the nra. >> forces that blocked these safeguards were not the voices of an aroused nation but voices of a powerful lobby, a gun lobby, that has prevailed for the moment. >> a gun lobby. lbj couldn't have known that gun lobby would go on to get even those compromise rules from the bill reversed. by the time reagan was president, again working with them but this time diluting regulations.
machine guns allowing you to hold down the trigger to release a stream of bullets. it's nearly impossible to justify gun use in self-defense if you're firing indiscriminately. those are literally not for self-defense but weapons of war. that law makes it illegal to buy a machine gun made after 1956 and turn another gun into automatic weapon. everybody knows gun laws are uphill battle. brady bill, assault weapons ban, both opposed by nra. that ban expired and remains defunct. can't buy a fully automatic weapon but it is legal to modify a semiautomatic weapon to fire as if it were an automatic weapon. and many maintain there is a
difference. that may be how law-abiding americans use these guns as hobby and maybe how they feel and gun manufacturers may agree. two views on this. this week showed another view that thousands of innocent americans and music fans stuck in the crowd that stephen paddock fired into, 12 bump fire stocks in hotel room that night. makes the stock of the gun slide back and forth so the recoil of the gun makes that firing pace effectively indistinguishable from automatic weapon. experts believe that's how he shot so many rounds so quickly, spraying that crowd with bullets over and over. policy is always about trade-offs. we know that. there's a trade-off for gun hobbyists who like their legal semiautomatics and legally modifying them into quicker firing machines.
absurd as it may sound to say, trade-off for every person killed or injured by that legal modification in las vegas. especially for those who may not have been hit had the law made it harder and slower to pull off that kind of attack. after the st. valentine's day massacre, many in chicago didn't view the victims as innocent or sympathetic but the technology used to slaughter them so quickly did have the city asking when anyone could walk the streets with fully automatic weapon whether that was a good idea. we're asking the question as the chicago tribune put it, is it helpless, are we helpless? the nation ultimately answered that question then no. and took action. there is a legitimate debate about how to regulate guns and we live under the rule of law and courts have ruled the
constitution does protect some gun rights. but historically there's never been a legitimate debate about when to regulate guns. today's laws will always be the echo of yesterday's politics. forged rules and limits and safety requirements on guns after incidents when murderous impacts swelled beyond what people thought was reasonable trade-off. today senator diane feinstein doing a new bill. 25 democrats joined the effort. some republicans ep to the idea, other top republicans say now is not the time for this debate. the question is never about timing. the question is pretty old anyway.
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secretary tom price is also here, hopefully. he's going to get the votes tomorrow to start our path toward killing this horrible thing known as obamacare. by the way, you going to get the votes? he better get them. he better get them. oh, he better, otherwise i'll say tom, you're fired. >> tom did not get the votes. wasn't until investigative reporters at politico uncovered that health and human service secretary price had cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollar for private commuter flighted he got rid of him. first year of office, president fired chief of staff after months of threats. openly muse about firing u.n.
adviser. demanded -- resign after recused from the russia investigation but also seen officials take issue with the president, not only over policy but way he leads. chief of staff john kelly spotted head in hands. downtrodden when the president defended neonazis in charlotte the week before and gary kohn reportedly thinking of resigning. mattis directly contradicting the president on iran. says he believes u.s. should stick with the deal. undercutting trump. and now nbc has exclusive new report. trump and secretary of state rex tillerson disagreeing on many policy issues. most recently north korea. and over the weekend president tweeted wildly that tillerson was wasting his time trying to
negotiate with quote, little rocket man. reporting that secretary of state rex tillerson was on the verge of resigning. threatening not to return to washington and reportedly coaxed back by john kelly, dhs and secretary mattis and vice president pence. nbc pointing to meeting in the situation room in july where the president suggested he might fire the top u.s. commander of the war in afghanistan and comparing decision making of troop levels to the renovation of high-end new york restaurant. then reportedly called the president of the united states a quote, moron. it's unusual for this secretary of state to speak to reporters but took the time to respond to
this report in unscheduled remarks. >> good morning. there was some news reports this morning i want to address. there's never been a consideration in my mind to leave i'm here as long as the president feels i could be useful to achieving his objectives. >> could you address the main headline that you called the president a moron? if not, where do you think those reports -- >> i'm not going to deal with petty stuff like that. >> joining me now, presidential historian, good to have you. he didn't deny it. how unusual is this in history? >> usually don't hear this kind of language. first secretary of state thomas jefferson, no record he ever called george washington a moron or that washington said that jefferson was wasting his time. sometimes historians like me will find out decades later that in private there might have been
friction between a president and secretary of state, but in realtime for a president like donald trump to haze these people as you were describing like nikki haley and others, it's disrespectful and totally out of keeping with american tradition. >> american tradition and goes to how others as you mention will serve in the cabinet. you're a historian, i don't know if you ever listen to canadian rapper and artist drake. >> a little bit. i know what you mean. >> he has a line where he says his ex would tear him apart but never wanted to split a thing with him. how much of this is issue in governance, donald trump will tear these people apart but they don't feel he's sharing with them in the work. >> i think that's the problem. traditionally presidents do share the work. they have colleagues. abraham lincoln famous for this. appointed equals, defeated
presidential candidates to his cabinet and worked closely together. that's what you see. but donald trump, sense you get is his whole m.o. back to new york real estate is keeping the people who work with him off balance, disrespecting them, causing them not to feel they'll have their job tomorrow. it's not always the best way to motivate people. >> then you have the visuals and the kind of -- it's ineffable, hard to come up with words for what happened in puerto rico. >> you're so right. >> going to ask you to do it instead of me. also seriously, the president in las vegas, this type of leadership, it's fair to say he struggles where other presidents in both parties have seemed to know their role. give us your view of that. >> big part of being president is consoling people who are suffering. goes back to lyndon johnson after the hurricane, he consoled
americans after the death of john kennedy. big part of the presidency since. donald trump going to puerto rico, suffering, families, throwing paper towels rolls out at them as if a funny game show and scene around the table asking everyone to say how great his administration did in bringing relief to puerto rico was disrespectful and something that we really should not see a president be doing. >> right. you used that word consoling. i suppose the first fundamental part of that is empathizing with people as individuals. that was absent in a way. >> there's a reason for that. because we want to know that the president is going to emotionally react to things the same way that we do. when people are suffering after a hurricane, it will move him to make extra effort to make sure they're taken care of. that's what we're not seeing there. >> presidential historian, michael bech loss, i always learn talking to you. thank you. ahead a big news story from
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was struggling to fill. "new york times" reported a settlement of lawsuit over trump soho from buyers who alleged had been tricked with purchasing the units with exaggerated claims about the sales. also the focus of federal investigation on fraud before buyers who sued settled out of court withdrawing allegations. might not have heard about it. didn't do much politically in the busy primaries. donald trump is well into first year as president, dogged by russian investigation. what happened next in that case tells us a lot about how he responds to criminal investigations. headline how ivanka trump and donald trump jr. avoided a criminal indictment. first sent in lawyers. and when this didn't end investigation into the trump kids, sent in trump's own
long-time lawyer, a donor. august 2012, case closed. ultimately overruled his own prosecutors who wanted to charge the trump kids. visit from the lawyer for trump had no impact and followed the practice of giving back campaign money before they met and no outside attorneys influenced the investigation and rather the probe didn't provide evidence for prosecution. we can also tell you a trump organization attorney says the accusations lacked merit noting after the related lawsuit settled they recanted any prior accusations about crimes. but even without a conviction this news story reports that trumps, the kids, discussing in writing in e-mail how to coordinate false information to gave to boyers and worried a journalist would be on to them. maybe they were right. because joining us now is andrea burnstein for politics and policy for wnyc working with pro
public and "the new yorker" magazine on this story. why does it matter now? >> it matters now because it's an insight into the trump family an how they deal with criminal prosecutions but more particularly in this case i think it's a window into the business operation of the trump family and what the prosecutors found. i mean, one of the reasons that we gave the e-mails a lot of credibility in which they discuss, oh, we can't say this number because we said a bigger number previously in terms of units sold -- >> a number that wasn't true. >> a number that was -- right. very -- not just an exaggeration, but four times the actual number of units sold. >> a knowing false statement also known as a lie. >> exactly. that's what the prosecutors believed we came to find, intentional, that they were aware of it and that they knew
they shouldn't get caught. there was one e-mail that was described to us and don jr. was to have said don't worry. no one will find out because the only people that know about it are on the e-mail and trump organization. but prosecutors did find out about it and went very seriously into the information and were seriously considering impanelling a special grand jury at the moment of which point trump's personal lawyer intervened and tells about the president and his children. >> right. that lawyer provided a statement to "the rachel maddow show" saying it's ethical and unrelated. when you look at the kids, the trump kids, putting incriminating evidence in e-mail, something their father avoided. he says he doesn't use e-mail to help you get caught. what is your takeaway about the kids and any implications for this russia investigation? >> well, i have written a lot of
stories based on e-mails and prosecutors call it evidence mail for a reason of a communication you believe to be private but can be easily found. we have already seen with don jr., the meeting in 2016 with the russians that was found to be an e-mail which he ended up tweeting out that these kinds of things are memorialized and i think it would be surprising to people -- i mean, one of the things surprising to us as we were reporting this is people who read the e-mails said they were shocked by the lies, in particular that ivanka told. and this is something that, you know, they felt that the public view of ivanka trump was not bourn out in what they read in the e-mails. >> right. the line prosecutors wanted to go, sometimes we see that and overruled without any nefarious issue. your reporting raises questions about this. thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. we have something else to
tell you about. a quick piece of news about russia. i was able to interview oregon senator merkley on "the beat," a democrat looking at the issues and he says that it's very likely that russian hackers received american help when targeting voters on facebook. >> we turn to collusion. well, the plot just gets thicker. we now know thanks to information released today that very carefully crafted targeting was done in michigan and in wisconsin. >> are you seeing that the circumstantial evidence suggests they would have needed american expertise to do that? >> yes. that is certainly the likely result. >> you are saying it looks like some americans helped the russians and bigger question is whether they were affiliated with donald trump or not? >> i'm saying very likely. >> very likely. an idea there that americans helped according to this senator and the only questions if they were linked to trump. i have more on the beat tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern and more importantly more ahead tonight. stay with us.
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risk of the dam failing continues to increase potentially causing life threatening flash flooding downstream. now the u.s. army corps of engineers is rebrieing debris, piling up barriers, dropping them in the hopes of keeping it from eroding anymore than it already has. the dams right here on this map, you'll see in northwest of puerto rico, northeast today this happened. a sewer line break overflowing into the rio grande de luise raising fear of only water there contaminated and to say nothing of the interior of the island. fema saying they're currently coordinating a plan. many of the roads are inaccessible and whole towns are left out coming to getting the food and water and fuel we have been reporting on and the local mayers of towns trying to figure out how to haul supplies of
regional drop-off points to their towns. shortly after trump wrapped up the visit to puerto rico, the death toll doubled from 16 to 34. no matter how great he claim it is recovery effort's going, the numbers are stark. 91% of the island in darkness. no power. 88% of cell phone sites down. most hospitals technically open and offering critical services. because they don't have supplies or space or are dealing with power outages. while the administration flip flopping today on what sounded like a promise to wipe out puerto rico debt, the fcc approving $70 million to get the telecom back up. the money towards helping the u.s. virgin islands and 70% of cell towers are still down. and word of another looming crisis. bloomberg reporting tonight puerto rico burning through the cash on hand before the hurricane hit and faces a government shutdown by the end of the october.
by halloween unless congress gives up some more emergency money and without the assistance of congress puerto rico's government won't be able to operate next month and hurricane recovery comes to a halt. in other words, as always, but especially, watch this space. that does it for us tonight. rachel will be back tomorrow. hope to see you tomorrow on "the beat" every night at 6:00 p.m. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening. >> good evening. every night at 6:00 p.m. right? "the beat". >> i lost you for a second. >> i'm trying to do a promo for your show. you don't have to be involved at all. doesn't matter what you hear. i just told the -- doubled underline the 6:00 p.m. >> i was embarrassed. went quiet. thank you, lawrence. thank you. i'll be watching. >> thank you. well, the news day began with a nbc exclusive report about the secretary of state possibly calling the president a moron and it seems clear