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tv   All In With Chris Hayes  MSNBC  October 5, 2017 12:00am-1:00am PDT

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a triple seven. after dropping off all of them and all of that tonight, that aircraft will come back to the mainland full of evacuees. that is our broadcast for tonight.
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>> hello, everybody. that was a terrible response. so thank you for being courteous with the mikes this time. well, good evening. obviously i'm sheriff joel lombardo with clark county. this has been -- this will be one of many press conferences we have provided in order to provide the public information that is occurring. and then so the sequence of these events tonight, i will provide you some -- i will provide you the sequence of some updates of the investigation as we have moved forward since the last time we spoke with you. any specifics or continuance of any global investigative leads that you need to be aware of, special agent aaron rouse will
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provide those, that information associated with that. okay? and then subsequently i will return to the podium, assist with some q&a and then commissioner sisolak is available if you have any questions of the commissioner. and then obviously we have senator hiller who wished to address the audience also. so president trump, i think he was in town today. yes, he was in town. and the reason why i bring up president trump is nothing to do in fact with president trump but to do with the police department. there was some concern because of his visit that investigations associated with this case would be delayed or hindered. and i'm here to assure you that none of that occurred. there was a situation of personnel associated with first responders of the harvest
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festival event that took the opportunity to meet with mr. trump and he had the opportunity to congratulate them for their heroic acts. the investigators directly related to this investigation, both my department and the fbi were not part of that. so i want everybody assured, there was no hindrance in continuance of the investigation. return of property. there's a lot of questions going on with that. and i wish i could provide you answers with that. we will try to post on as soon as as we advise victims when they can receive their personal property. we're still evaluating the crime scene. until that completes the property phase will not occur. my best understanding of where we're at, we're looking at four to five days. i know that sounds troublesome but it's important that we dot
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the i's and cross the t's as evidence and possible prosecution in the future. injuries. juror numbers that we're using today, 489. of that 489, 317 have been discharged from the hospital. so the question is, sheriff, you provided several different numbers associated with that all the way up to 527. we're disbursed across several hospitals and we're relying on the hospital to provide us with accurate numbers. that's ever changing. and additionally hospitals receive patients outside of this event. so quite often -- hopefully not quite often, but often some of those patients were double counted or misconstrued as event injuries. i'm comfortable saying that the injured number is 489.
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deaths still remain at 59. i had told you 59 before plus one, being the suspect. that changed. today it's 58 plus one, the suspect, 59. and it's the same reason that occurred before as i explained. hopefully you understand that. nobody wants that number to go up and by the grace of god it went down. so that's a good night. so today i will provide you updates on the investigation of the mass shooting. we've spent the last 72 hours combing through the live of stephen paddock to produce a profile of someone i will call disturbed and dangerous. what we know is stephen paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and demo, leading a secret life, much of which will never be fully understood.
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he meticulously planned on the worst domestic attack in united states history. as many of you reported, paddock rented a room at the hotel in downtown las vegas. this has been confirmed. reasons that ran through paddock's mind is unknown but it is directly during the same time as life is beautiful. we've received -- recovered evidence from that location. we don't know if it is evidence but we've recovered items and video evidence. and i don't -- you know what? i'm using the wrong term. evidence is not the term. we have recovered video from there to review mr. paddock's actions while he was there. it's important for you to understand this was not -- the rooms were not rented by ogden. it was done by air b and b.
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they're in full cooperation. while we have already spoken to many people who had contact with stephen paddock at hotels and places he frequented, we still have more interview to conduct. since monday there have been many questions for us to release a time line and today we have one. i want to point out the information previously reported on the time of the first shot was based on a cad report, computer aided dispatch. that's what we do for calls for service. so that report is dependent upon a particular person calling in on that time stamp. what we've done through the review of body worn cameras, we were able to pull it back from 10:08 to 10:05.
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so carlos? so i'm going to give you the chance to review that, take photographs of it and i'll walk you through each time line. at 10:05 the first shots fired by the suspect. this was seen scene on closed circuit television from the concert video. 10:12 first officers arrived on the 21st floor announcing that gun fire is coming directly above them. 10:15 last shots were fired from the suspect through body worn camera. if you're looking at the math, ten minute. 10:17 the first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor. 10:18 security officer tells the officers he was shot and gives the exact location of the suspect's room. now you notice a minute, delta there before they broadcasted it obviously they were in a conversation with the security
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guard immediately upon them exiting the elevators. between 10:26 and 10:30, eighty additional officers arrived on the 32nd floor moving systematically down the hallway clearing each room and looking for injured people. they move this way because they no longer hear the gun fire of the active shooter situation. 10:55, eight officers arrived at the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest the suspect's room. you can imagine the doorway of the hotel room, this stairwell and this door access is approximately two to three feet away. 11:20, the first breach was set off and officers entered the suspect's room. they observed the suspect down on the ground and saw a second door that could not be accessed from their position. it's a sweep. and you have a main area of the suite, the living room, kitchen
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dining area and on opposite ends of that is two bedrooms. i'm sorry. where did i leave off. somebody yell it out. okay. so if you do the math on that, all the way up to 11:20 in 10:05, we're looking at 75 minutes. young lazy in the front with the red phone, you mentioned 72 minutes. now you see where those minutes come from. at 11:27 a second breach was set off allowing officers to access the second room and no one else was located within the hotel room. okay. these are following extenuating circumstances as to why it may appear that there was delay or undue delay in reaching the suspects. okay. the officers in the first strike team reached the 32nd floor within 12 minutes which is
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phenomenal of the first shot being fired. when the officers arrived and confirmed the location of the suspect's room, the gun fire had stopped. in accordance with their training, the officers retrieved a master key card and began to clear each hotel room. imagine the elevator bank in the center, 150 feet down on a triplex hotel was the suspect's room. so there's several rooms along the way because no firing was occurring, they could not hear additional firing, they believed it was important to evacuate in case the suspect was barricaded. while the first strike team did this, the second team made up of two k9 personnel, s.w.a.t. officer and patrol officers navigated the stairs carrying a large bag with tactical equipment and holding rifles in order to have a closer position
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to the suspect's room. that is in the stairwell adjacent to the room i described previously. they attempted to secure the front doorway of the suspect's room. but as they entered into the hallway they could see the room service cart and readily apparent on the room service cart were cameras. so they pulled back and waited for the approach of a full s.w.a.t. team. keep in mind, this delay was not undue. it was purposeful and no shots were being heard by the suspect at this point. eventually a plan was formulated, entry was made, suspect was seen laying on the ground, they encountered a closed bedroom door which was locked and they breached that door and found no other suspect. another investigative issue was cameras.
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questions were presented about cameras and whether they were recording. we determined none of the cameras were recording. there were two cameras on the room service cart out in the hallway, there was one on the peephole of the front door and additionally there was a baby monitor camera placed in the general family area of the hotel room. none of them were being recorded. one thing i left out was the initial approach and they looked out in the hallway when they observed the cameras on the room service cart, it was obviously there were several rounds discharged through the door and through the blasts of the bullets through the door, you could actually see a weapon through those openings in the door but no suspect was seen. now those rounds were the rounds that he put through the door in order to shoot at the security guard. okay. the other thing i wanted to
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update you on is the search warrant of the suspect's vehicle located at the mandalay bay. i had presented that there was ammonium nitrate recovered but there were several cases within the car that had not been search yet at the last briefing i provided with you. so within those cases there was ten 1-pound containers of tannerite and approximately 1600 rounds of ammunition. so carlos, can you put up the so carlos, can you put up the numbers? tip line. this is an ongoing investigation. we can never not have enough information because we are continuing to run down leads and it's important for us to get all of the information that we can on mr. paddock.
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because right now we're trying to prove his intent or understand his intent and the history associated with this and whether or not he has any accomplices. we asked people to still call in out of state 702-838-3111. and 1-800-call fbi. and that's for investigative and electronic media. if you're able to call them, they provide you the ability to download that online into their system. so at this point i will provide you special agent in charge, aaron rouse and he will walk you through some of the investigative steps we have accomplished jointly and where we're at in that total investigation. subsequent to that, i will come back to the podium for any q&a and then we will have commissioner sisolak and senator deen hiller make comments. thank you.
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>> thank you, sheriff. i'm the special agent in charge for the las vegas division of the fbi. before i begin i just want to comment that on behalf of all of the fbi, specifically the las vegas division, our sympathy goes out to all of the families affected by this tragedy. this is our community. it's our community too. we live here. and we will get through this together. the fbi has had a great partnership, continues to have a great partnership with the las vegas metropolitan police department as well as our other state and local officials. 0 to say that this investigation will take a while is not surprising. so there's a lot of information that's going to change over time as we determine more facts. but this is what i can tell you. our resolve is firm. we will get to the bottom of this, no matter how long it takes. the fbi has deployed over 100 personnel from across the nation to assist the las vegas division in this investigation.
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this includes victim witness assistants, eap counselors, evidence technicians and technical assets. not to mention additional agents to help cover leads. the information that the public provides us is going to help us solve this. but we must focus on facts. we cannot give in to conjecture and we cannot respond to every little twitter feed that may indicate a theory. we need to focus on the facts. you need us to be right. you expect us to be right and we want to be right. there's going to be questions, i'm sure you're going to have questions, about some of people that we've been talking to. maybe people outside of the united states. the fundamental trust of the american people and the fbi is based upon our discretion and how good would that discretion be if we were to provide information that they provided to us in confidence. this is about informing on an
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investigation, this is about resolving an investigation. so specifics regarding any individual contact cannot be answered. you need us, you trust us and the way we have that trust is by using good discretion about what we share. additionally, we have multiple leads all across the united states and all across the world. there are legal people determining the travel of all of the people listed in the investigation. a lot of the leads will go absolutely nowhere but we have to follow them. that's going to take some time. patience is going to be required of all of us. i know that we have the patience of the police department because we have a great partnership and we're all interested in the same thing, resolving this issue fairly and factually. with that i'll turn it back over to sheriff lombardo.
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>> happy to answer questions and please provide decorum. >> sheriff, we know you had the opportunity and we know that you had access to his commuters, cell phones and so forth. while you're not yet able to tell us specifically what you've found, let me ask you generally. >> okay. >> through all of the information that you've so far arrived at, is there anything that gives you a sense as to what was going on with this man and what the motive right be, without saying what it is. are you seeing anything that gives you a direction or any kind of an answer to that question? >> globally, no. i'm sorry to report no. me personally. but i'm not privy to the subsequent interviews were were conducted today. the fbi is not ready to disclose, for public consumption, who occurred in
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those interviews as of yet. sorry for that answer. yes, sir. >> reporter: the family said to our attorney that during the course of her time with the suspect that she never saw her heard anything that suggested that he would carry out an act like this. you also said that you were looking for other people associated with leads. information specifically that there's a woman that you're looking for to talk to that may have been associated with the suspect. is that true? >> are you going to give me a chance to answer? can you start from the beginning? >> reporter: sorry. question about the comments to her lawyer that she had no idea what was going on. >> i think any person put in her situation would probably answer the same way. but like i said, we're not privy to the investigative leads that were obtained today. mr. rouse could probably give you better clarification to that.
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i haven't been briefed by the fbi on that interview as of yet. what was the other question? >> reporter: you said you're still trying to figure out whether he had any accomplices. >> we're obviously going through that. it's troublesome that this individual was able to move this amount of gear into a hotel room unassisted. it's troublesome for the amount of stuff he had at both residences unassisted. there are people that know this individual. there are people that can help us understand this individual. because you know, interestingly enough, i read periodical today, it was from an fbi profiler that didn't understand this individual. usually there's a telltale sign associated with these types of actions, reclusive, a plethora of things associated with this mind-set and we have not found that yet. so what could be more beneficial than to find people associated
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with them either by friendship or accomplice and for us to determine that. >> reporter: thank you. >> yes, sir. >> reporter: two questions. first, you mentioned in your comments he had a secret life. what do you mean by that? >> well, most of us -- not most of us. i don't. i don't live through social media. there's a lot of us that live through social media in today's world. there's a lot of people interactive in the public. there's a lot of people that have work mates. this individual is retired. we found out that he has some real estate investments. relationship wise it's very hard to determine what has occurred in his life in the last decade or so. we do know that he has an ex-wife. she didn't lead us to any knowledge. everybody knows we talked to his brother. no knowledge was obtained. so anything that would indicate this individual's trigger point
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and that would cause him to do such harm, we haven't understood it yet. and i think it's important to get there. and you to be patient with us. because this premeditation of this room, this is well thought out. don't you think the concealment of his history or his life was well thought out. and it's incumbent upon us as professionals to figure that out. >> reporter: and besides what he did, that horrific act, are there any other signs of a mental breakdown? >> i'm not aware. i personally have not been briefed on some of his personal background. i'm leaving that to the experts. and i haven't been updated on that yet. so it's going to be frustrating for you obviously. but you got to be, and i've said it a hundred times. this is an investigation and we can't be delayed by providing information that would delay our investigation or cause an individual to go underground.
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everybody sitting here knows that. and i need you to understand it. it's important for you to convey to the public we're doing everything we possibly can do to bring this to fruition. i think we're doing that and i ask you for your patience. >> reporter: -- during the course of your investigation you concerned that perhaps paddock might have been targeting another concert a week before -- >> yeah i mentioned that he obtained a room located in downtown at the same time that "life is beautiful" was being conducted. was he doing presurveillance? we don't know yet. this is all conjecture and it's important for us to have boots on the ground getting the answers. >> reporter: there's information out there that the door to the stairwell, the 32nd floor was barricaded and possibly welded shut.
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can you confirm whether that door was welded shut? >> it was not welded shut but it was secured. >> reporter: have you determined whether he had visitors in his room while he was at the hotel? >> as of yet, no. >> reporter: sorry, no -- >> as of yet no. we haven't been able to determine if there was anybody else in the room beside him. >> reporter: does that lead you to believe that he might have been planning a bigger attack? >> speculation. i'll leave you for your own free will on that speculation. but you know, it remains in the car for some reason. ricardo. >> reporter: -- estimate of how many rounds he fired and an estimate of how many rounds he didn't fire? >> i'll give you my personal preview. that will come out in the public space. no, the rounds haven't been counted yet. there's a lot of evidentiary taking place prior to the recovery of the rounds. but there was well in excess of thousands of rounds still in the room.
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>> reporter: in the leaked photos there was a yellow, what appeared to be a yellow note. can you tell us anything about that? >> no, i don't -- >> reporter: a suicide note? >> it was not a suicide note. i'm comfortable in saying that. >> reporter: where is mary lou now and is she still a person of interest? >> i will have special agent rouse address that. if you have questions outside of that we can circle back on that. stephanie. >> reporter: my question is for mr. rouse. >> you guys want to know how i know her name? he was eating lunch next to me today and introduced herself. she's from australia. >> reporter: sheriff do you know what caused him to stop shooting? >> very good question. no, i do not know.
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i don't know if -- this is my assumption, only my assumption and nobody has been able to dispel my assumption as of today. i believe because of his counter measures placed in the peephole and in the hallway, he observed the security guard and he was in fear that he was about to be breached. so he was doing everything possible to figure out how he could escape at that point. his concern was personal concern versus what was occurring down below him. >> reporter: can you tell us anything about what time he shot himself and can you tell us -- >> you know, i don't have the answer to that question. that question has been presented and we haven't been able, through the internal investigation of that, to pinpoint exactly if it was heard when he shot himself or did it occur in close proximity to entry. as you imagine, when they breached the door they used explosive devices. did it occur in close proximity to the explosive devices and we lost it in the audible or did it
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occur when we were trying to set up or team in the hallway. >> reporter: do you know when the security guard was separated from the other officers? >> it was my understanding before i had said he had gotten separated. that was inaccurate. what happened was he was conducting an investigation based on customers calling in and he was personally attempting to locate what was occurring. he happened upon that doorway because it was ajar, which keyed his interest. but our officers were in close proximity. by the time line there, as soon as they came out of the doorway of the elevator, he was there. so it happened in a matter of seconds. >> reporter: on the note, the note, was it a note from him? >> what note, the yellow paper? >> reporter: yes. >> i don't know. i haven't -- i did a cursory review of the room but i haven't
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been provided that information. but i know it was not a suicide note. >> reporter: if you believe he saw the security guard approaching, that might have caused him to stop shooting. if he hadn't have seen the security guard approaching, do you believe the shooting would have continued? >> no. the same action of the security guard would have occurred with our patrol officer approaching up there. we had knowledge. he was between 31 and 32. when you asked before we said 29 to 32. and subsequently it got culled down from 31, 32. a customer said it was occurring directly above him, which subsequently the officers were doing their own checks. he was not aware of what that customer had said. and they were conducting -- he was trying to pinpoint it. so our officers had learned, because they had a security guard attached to them that they had recent information the individual was on 32.
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okay. so they would have encountered him shortly in that time line. maybe 60 seconds. and i assume the same thing would have occurred. >> reporter: the question of when he stopped firing and why. you indicated that he saw the security guard and thought he was going to be breached or your own personnel would have come in and done something. based on the assessment of the weapons there that he was using and had access to, were any of the weapons jam or inoperable or could he have continued firing without any problem if he had not seen possibly in the cameras that were there what was coming his way? >> he could have continued firing. some of them were jammed but he could have continued firing. >> reporter: you said some were jammed. >> yes. >> reporter: how many? >> i don't know. some. but he had plenty of fire power available. if you recall, there was 23 weapons recovered. >> reporter: -- jammed and others within reach he would have been able to continue. >> yes. >> reporter: i don't know
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whether atf would care to talk about this or not. this guy had 300 foot high ground and 500 to 800 yard kill zone. how many of the weapons that he was using and firing had advanced optics on there, hunting scopes or acogs or anything like that? >> just from my visual preview of the crime scene, i saw three scopes. most of them didn't have scopes. >> reporter: hunting style scopes? >> from what i know of firearms, they appeared to be hunting scopes, not marksmanship scopes. >> was the security guard armed and can you talk about his bravery? >> i don't know if he was armed. i don't know the security profile at the mandalay bay. i know quite often some are armed, some aren't. some supervisors. i don't know the profile at the mandalay bay personally. so i don't know if he was armed. but his bravery was amazing because he remained with our officers providing them the key
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pass to access the door and actually continued to help them clear rooms until our officer demanded he go seek medical attention. >> reporter: while injured? >> yes. let me ask the question. >> reporter: -- activities before the shooting, some said he was gambling. >> we are aware that he was gambling. >> reporter: for hours? >> i don't know the time line. >> reporter: the atf agent -- >> so let me provide some clarification because it will answer one of the other questions on accomplice. when we did see he was gambling, we did not see another individual. >> reporter: time line? >> i don't recall man. >> reporter: from cbs news paddock bought weapons from october of between, bought some 33 rifles. are you looking into the possibility that there may have been a mental issue, something that happened in 2016 that compelled him to purchase the weapons? >> yes. >> reporter: you are.
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>> yes. i don't have the information. i wish i could provide you. we are looking because we key on that too, sir. >> reporter: you suggested that after he saw the security guard that his concern became himself. did you see any evidence that he planned to survive this or try to escape? >> yes. >> reporter: can you tell us what it was? >> i can't tell you. >> reporter: just to clarify, was it the security guard or the officers coming up who positively identified his location. >> start over. >> reporter: was it the security guard or your officers arriving that positively identified the gunman's location first? >> it was the security guard. the officer had knowledge it was occurring at the 32nd floor. they assumed it was at the end of the hallway because the person who called in said it was occurring right above him. but the security guard confirmed it prior to their arrival. >> reporter: can you give us detail about the magnitude of the gun fire that he encountered when he got --
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>> yeah, my personal observation, well over 200 rounds straight in the hallway. >> reporter: sheriff, you commented -- >> it's amazing that security guard didn't sustain additional injury. >> reporter: you said he had mind-set for surviving this incident. what have you determined that gives you a clue that he had an escape plan -- >> that's just a different way to ask the question and i can't answer that. >> reporter: did the officers fire back at all through the door after he fired at them in. >> no. >> reporter: sheriff, you mentioned accomplices. we talked about mary lou as a person of interest. are there any other persons of interest in this investigation? >> is there any other, no, concrete, no. we're looking at it this way, ken. is there another one? and we're determining to find out if there was. i mean it's important not to
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close this case until we run down everything. >> sir, can you ask the terrorist question again? >> you look at the web obtaining different amounts of tannerite available. do you think this was accomplished on his own. self value, face value, you got to make the assumption that he had to have some help at some point. and we want to ensure that that's the answer. maybe he's a super guy. maybe a super -- no a hero. maybe he's a super yay hoo that was working out all of this on his own but it would be hard for me to believe that. >> reporter: do we need to ask -- >> here's the reason why. put one and one together or two and two together. another residence in reno with several firearms. okay. electronics and everything else associated with, large amounts of ammo.
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a place in mesquite. we know he had a girlfriend. do you think this is all self facing individuals without talking to somebody, sequestered amongst themselves. come on, folks. these types of investigations have been occur in the last few years and we have to evaluate that. i'm done. okay? what i want you to do is give aaron rouse an opportunity to talk about mary lou. he may not have anything for you but it's fair to ask him. [ inaudible ] >> i'm sorry. >> reporter: was the car plan -- >> don't ask me to make assumptions, please. >> thank you. ken. >> reporter: we were asking where is mary lou now and is she still a person of interest in
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this investigation people rely on us in discretion. if someone is assisting us in the investigation, if they're being cooperative, that's between us and them. giving away a location of a citizen or somebody that is cooperating with us is not in our interest interest, not in that person's best interest. that's a matter of their business. so we're not going to comment on that. >> reporter: she is not in federal custody? >> we have no one in custody. >> reporter: without saying anything specific, after seeing his computers, after speaking to mary lou, do you have any direction, any sense as to what may have been the motive? just any sense, any evidence or anything? >> as i mentioned in my earlier remarks, we like to deal in facts. theories are great and everyone can have a theory but i need to
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deal with the facts. the sheriff needs to deal with facts. we're reliant on that to do our jobs. that's what we're going to focus on. there are a number of working theories out there but we're going to continue to use those but we're not going to publicize them. we do not want to taint anyone unfairly. we want to make sure what we have is accurate and you want us to be accurate. that's what you expect of us. [ inaudible ] >> we have found no evidence to this point to indicate terrorism. but this is an ongoing investigation. we're going to continue to look at all avenues. we're not closing down the doors. the best way to do the investigation, i'll tell you this, you don't go in with assumptions. he's not going to make assumptions, i'm not going to make assumptions. we're going in there following the facts. the facts will lead you to the conclusion. and we hope to be able to provide concrete information to the public about why this
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happened because that's what's on everyone's mind. to understand the why helps you deal with the tragedy that we've all faced and we've all faced it. so believe me, we want to know why. >> okay. i want to take this time to give the commissioner an opportunity to say a few words. >> thank you. >> and then we'll close. >> i'm going to say some things -- >> all right. that was quite a newsworthy conference that was conducted there. i want to go through what we learned because we learned quite a bit. we got a clearer sense of the time line between when shots first are fired. i think around 10:05 if i recall that correctly. he flashed it up there. and when a security guard about 11 minutes after the shots are first fired, 12 minutes or so, a
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security guard who works for mandalay bay goes up and he hears where the shots are coming from and he's fired at by the shooter, mr. paddock, stephen paddock and he encounters the police. they had identified that it was on the 31st floor from where the fire was being launched. and then they proceed to clear everything, which takes a while. they clear the entire floor. they're getting people out of there understandably. joe lombardo says that 200 rounds, 200 rounds came through that door out into the hallway. that there was a video camera affixed to a room service cart that warned paddock of the entrance into the hallway of the security guard. that security guard who did sustain an injury in the leg and continued to help police until police told him to seek medical
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attention, that individual also it seems precipitated paddock to stop firing which is key. it appears that the firing, as far as we can tell from the time line introduced today by the sheriff, only lasted 12 minutes. take a moment to imagine what could have happened had it gone on 20 or 25 minutes and how pivotal it was, the entrance of that unnamed security guard into the scene. i think his name has been reported in other press outlets. a few other interesting did bits. sheriff lombardo says that the shooter, stephen paddock, had a plan for escape. obviously that did not happen. would not elaborate more on that. very little from the fbi about the questioning of the girlfriend of the shooter came back from the philippines today. i want to bring now in -- and nothing crucially, crucially,
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crucially on motive. nothing. in fact lombardo essentially seemed to say we got nothing as far as i know. special agent rouse is very tight-lipped. of course everyone is trying to figure out and make sense of what could have, even in his perverse mind-set precipitated this. oh. one more important thing. it appears he did rent rooms in the hotel that overlooked another live music concert outside, a festival called "life is beautiful" that happened the week before. they are reporting that he had room possibly looking out on the concerts. that confirmed today by lombardo. the purpose of that is unclear, whether he was casing it or doing a dry run. none of that is clear at this moment. i want to bring in the congressman from massachusetts. he served four tours in iraq. congressman, you've been outspoken about your view about
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guns in the wake of this. as someone who served in a professional capacity in the armed services, i mean, the mind really reels at both the combination of the level of planning that went into this and the arsenal that was acquired and the way those were brought together to bear in this massacre. >> he knew what he was doing and knew what he intended. and the fact that he was able to get away with buying such an arsenal here in the united states is frightening. that's exactly what we have to change. i've seen gun violence first hand. i was in the infantry and i know what this looks like. it has no business on our streets, in our schools and at our concerts in the united states of america. >> there was one detail that was confirmed by lombardo, at one point he bought 33 weapons at a time or at least in one short period of time in october 2016.
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there's a broader question here about essentially the ability, the legal protections, the constitutional protections for a civilian to acquire essentially a personal arsenal. >> that's right. i mean the fact that that didn't raise any flags or the fact that perhaps it did raise flags but authorities weren't able to do anything about it. that's just common sense that we should be asking questions about stopping something like that from happening. i don't think you'll find anybody in congress today who doesn't support the second amendment. we swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution. as members of congress it's the same oath that i swore as a united states marine officer. but this is about reasonable restrictions in the same way that we don't allow family to own tanks or land mines or grenades to protect their homes, we ought to restrict weapons of war from being on the streets. from people like this being able to buy an entire arsenal in a day.
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>> when you look at the weapons, if ar-15 style weapons that were modified to fire automatically. apparently there were 12 of those. what goes through your head when you see those items? >> that they belong with well-trained servicemen and women overseas, not on america's streets. i mean that's just -- this is just what we're talking about when we talk about reasonable restrictions under the second amendment. no one wants to take away the right of people to go out hunting, of sportsmen and women to be able to do marksmanship or shoot clay pigeons. that's protected under the second amendment. but we already have reasonable restrictions under the second amendment. we don't allow machine guns mortars, all sorts of weapons of war and these are weapons of war as well. they should be restricted too. when i talk to republicans on capitol hill today, many of them
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agree, you know, we pass law to prevent automatic weapons from being on america's streets so they wouldn't have massacres like this. there have been ways that gun dealers have gotten around those laws an we got to stop it. >> 1986 the ban on automatic weapons, 600,000 previous to that had been grandfathered in. but in this case it appears a legal device modifying the semi automatic weapons to fire automatically -- >> that's right. and if you look at how the device is constructed. it's purely to get around the letter to have law. >> right. >> what i've been doing is working with republicans behind the scene, not just democrats but republicans who want to make a change to this. unfortunately the republican leadership is unwilling to have a debate about this, to bring up these bills for a vote. but we're hoping that through pressure from democrats and republicans as well that we can make the change. it's our responsibility as members of congress to make america safer. and these are common sense things. the majority of americans support that we can do.
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>> thank you for making time tonight. ahead, the secretary of state did not deny calling the president of the united states a quote moron. how the president responded today and the future of rex tillerson after this quick break.
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today secretary of state rex tillerson felt compelled to declare before the nation the president is in fact smart, following exclusive nbc news report that he called the president a moron or possibly an f'g moron and threatened to resign. according to that report it fell to vice president mike pence to convince tillerson who is fourth in line for the presidency to stay on board and avoid embarrassing the white house. today after and early morning tweet from the president, wow, so many fake news stories today, no matter what i do or say they will not write or speak truth, the secretary of state who very rarely talk to the press called a last minute news conference. secretary of state because never considered leaving this post. what i've learned about this president who i didn't know before taking the office. he loves this country, puts
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americans and america first. he's smart. most important element of the article to reaffirm my commitment to this role that president trump has wanted me to serve and dispel with the idea i have ever considered leaving. >> timing is crucial. on the way to las vegas on air force 1, equipped with a lot of tvs. but he didn't deny having called president a moron. >> could you address the main headline that you called president a moron, if not where do you think the reports -- >> i'm not going to deal with petty stuff like that. this is what i don't understand about washington. i'm not from this place but places we come from, we don't deal with that petty nonsense. >> spokesperson said the secretary of state doesn't use language like moron.
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later visiting doctors tweeting victims, president waded in on the controversy. >> any response to rex tillerson? >> honored by his comments. fake news, totally phony story. made up by nbc. they just made it up. thank you all. total confidence in rex. thank you very much everybody. >> carol lee is nbc reporter, part of the team that broke the story. according to your reporting. tillerson's spokesperson denied it, lot of denials and accusations of fake news. what was the participating incident that brought this crescendo? >> several. early parts of tillerson's tenure. early clashes with jared kushner
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over foreign policies, then clashes with the president over his foreign policies. saw the president undermine him on middle east policy in terms of how to deal with qatar and dispute with saudi arabia. saw the president get frustrated with him when pressing to recertify the iran deal. move into july, series of meetings after which he called the president a moron where tillerson was also frustrated, generally, with the way the president was handling his advice and so this came to a head then. then the president gives speech at boy scouts of the america that is politicized and tillerson is eagle scout and former head of the organization and that was frustrating for them too. >> yeah. before that. moron or effing moron? >> unclear. but you know -- good feel there's a little bit of a difference. >> definitely moron.
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>> boy scouts, reporting -- it was strange moment. boy scout speech happens and reaction of shock from people. boy scout speech and out there very political, rails against hillary clinton if i'm not mistaken. >> talking about his own election. >> tillerson is in texas at that point and reporting at the time that he was upset by it. does that track with what you learned? >> more around that time things came to head. secretary mattis and then homeland security secretary now chief of staff john kelly tried to convince tillerson to stay. comes back to d.c. after the speech and has a meeting with vice president pence. role different. you need to be more respectful of the president and on board publicly. if you have disagreement s resolve them privately and gave him what was described as pep talk.
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>> reporting today in "daily beast" that people inside the white house hope that tillerson would quit today. >> thing is if president wants to distance himself doesn't have a lot of supporters in white house, in congress or state department. >> certainly not state, he's widely loathed there. >> hard to see who would rally to his side except maybe mattis and kelly, who tried to convince him to stay. >> thanks for your great >> certainly not state, he's widely loathed there. >> hard to see who would rally to his side except maybe mattis and kelly, who tried to convince him to stay. >> thanks for your great reporting, your true news. josh earnest was white house press secretary under president obama and now msnbc political analyst. what do you make of this? >> remarkable thing, spokes woman reading out call between the secretary of state and president of the united states and calls it good and fact she calls it good is newsworthy. remarkable day.
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>> it is remarkable to me the amount of reporting there is and amount of almost taken for granted public acceptance of the fact that there's a coatry of people whose job it is to protect the country from the president. so like mattis and tillerson and kelly, that they're in this sort of alliance to restrain the country from the president and bob corker today, senior republican senator from tennessee basically making that point, they stand between us and chaos. >> he did make that point and >> he did make that point and other part of this, here's the thing that should not be lost in this reporting. it is obvious that secretary of state rex tillerson is incredibly frustrated by his job and his boss. that's why it's not at all surprising to wake up and read the good reporting from carol and her colleagues.
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secretary of state tillerson does have a responsibility and job description going into the job. not a surprise, wasn't sprung on him. working for someone neophyte. and i'm not sure that he's succeeded in preventing trump from doing bad things in foreign policy. pulled out of the transpacific partnership, the paris climate agreement and insulted nato allies on first trip to nato meeting. if responsibility is erect guard rails and keep president trump on track, would be difficult for secretary tillerson and his defenders to point to much success that he's had. >> having covered the obama administration, one of the things -- i would hear this off the record. always friction between the agencies and cabinet members and white house. always. always a sense that white house is micromanaging, natural sort of.
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where do you put this on that spectrum of what we're seeing in this administration as opposed to the one you worked in and previous ones. >> this is particularly true when it comes to the secretary of state. i can tell you from conversations i participated in in the last few years of the obama white house, secretary of state, john kerry in this case, was in a position to deliver bad news to the president of the united states on regular basis because dealing with tough stuff. in position to tell the president, update on the negotiations on iran, it's not going well now, iranians are moving the goal post. or mr. president, trying to complete climate deal but we need you no intervene with the indians, you have a lot on your plate but need you to make the call. not good conversation to have under best circumstances. this tension and challenge that secretary of state has to endure is not unique to secretary tillerson but it's clear he's not handling it nearly as well as his predecessors did. >> trying to think how to phrase
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this. do you think that people other than tillerson who work for the president view him as a moron? >> well, look, chris, there are a lot of people -- go back to what i was saying before, it is not a surprise to anybody paying attention that president trump doesn't know what he's talking about with foreign policy. hasn't spent any time thinking about it. doesn't clearly understand the consequences of his words and actions and impact on alliances and our adversaries. north korea in mind there. setting aside the pejorative language that secretary tillerson didn't deny that he used, not surprising to anybody who follows politics in either
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party or any branch of government that president trump is not at all experienced or familiar or shows much intellectual curiosity in dealing with the complicated world he's responsible for leading. we expect the president of the united states to be the leader of the free world but president trump hasn't spent any time thinking about it. >> and broader context of unending quotes from white house officials anonymously that refer to the president as if he were in words of michelle goldberg, a malevolent toddler. what the words of white house officials, the picture they paint. josh earnest, much appreciated. >> that's all for this evening. tonight 100 plus interviews, 100,000 pages of documents and counting. and the senate's russia investigation still hasn't ruled out trump campaign collusion with russia. plus the u.s. state department came out today to say the
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secretary didn't call the president a moron, despite nbc news reporting the contrary. the president says he has full confidence in rex tillerson. and the chilling words today from an important senator. what he had to say about our president as "the 11th hour" gets under way. and good evening once again from our nbc headquarters here in new york. day 258 of the trump administration, and on this day without irony and for the first time without memory, the state's department spokeswoman reported the secretary of state had a good phone call with the president of the united states. more on that story, that complicated relationship in a bit. today also brought some clarity on the status of the russia investigation on capitol hill. the two senators leaving the


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