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russian corporation or criminal, criminal enterprise in cyberspace can be used, we saw this in april thousands of computers around the world used by russia intelligence to penetrate into people's computers. now we see a company, a cyber security company supposed to be protecting you being used to actually snatch secrets out of someone's home computer. they're able to do this. that makes millions of people around the world vulnerable. and it's a huge strategic asset for the russians. >> guys, thank you very much for joining us to talk about this very serious story. it is 3:00 p.m. here on the east coast. i'm katy tur. we want to keep talking about that press briefing we just watched, but first, some news about something we've been talking about all day. that bump fire stock gun attachment technology that can make semiautomatic guns fire like automatic weapons.
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the nra just released a statement and i'm going to read part of it now, despite the fact the obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the national rifle association is calling on the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. the nra believes that the devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations. these bump fire stock parts were a main focus in the white house briefing just a moment ago. kristen welker was in that room and now she's at the north lawn of the white house for us. kristen, sarah huckabee sanders talked about how they want to be a part of the conversation, but she was making no commitment from that podium. >> reporter: no commitment, katy. what she said moments ago is that, look, the president doesn't think right now is necessarily the time to be focused on this debate.
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at the same time she allowed that it is a debate that needs to happen, that he wants families to be a part of the conversation as well as law enforcement, those across the community who can weigh-in on this very difficult issue. our own hallie jackson asked if the president will be a leader in terms of the discussion, she said his role right now is to unify the country while it's still in mourning in the wake of the massacre in las vegas. take a listen to a little bit more of what she had to say. >> we know that members of both parties in multiple organizations are planning to take a look at bump stocks and related devices. we certainly welcome that, would like to be part of that conversation. and we would like to see a clear understanding of the facts. and we'd like to see input from the victims families, from law enforcement, from policymakers. and we're expecting hearings and other important fact finding efforts on that and we want to be part of that discussion. we're certainly open to that
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moving forward. >> biggest thing you heard her say we are open to that effectively saying, look, the president is open to hearing the debate. we are seeing a potential shift. i want to underscore that word potential because that statement you read from the nra is not calling for new legislation. it's calling for a deeper look at the federal regulations at it relates to bump stocks. but we also know on capitol hill there's growing momentum to ban bump stocks not only from democrats but some republicans as well. house speaker paul ryan weighing in today effectively signaling that he would support such a move. so this is significant. it's a shift. of course in the wake of the sandy hook mass shooting which claimed the lives of so many children, congress wasn't able to pass stiffer legislation even that included expanded background checks. so even one step for stiffer legislation would be a remarkable shift in our politics. >> kristen, in the air right now because of who we have in the white house, donald trump was a
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democrat before he was a republican back in 2000. he said that he supported a ban on assault weapons. and then when he was running for the white house as a republican candidate he made an appearance at the nra, the first time that anybody had done that in quite some time. and he campaigned on being a strong advocate for the second amendment. he was a little bit unsure about it in the beginning of the campaign. i asked him early on if he owned a gun and whether he shot it. he said it was none of my business. by the end of the campaign he was, you know, guns blazing with his campaign support of the nra. a hearing at the conference and talking about how he would carry a weapon himself. is there a feeling that because he's held so many sides of this issue in the past that maybe he could be the one to break with the nra in a meaningful way? >> reporter: there is that sense, katy. as you pointed out prior to running as a candidate, even
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after sandy hook the president called for some type of action. and yet he ran on this platform of protecting people's second amendment rights. but is there room for him to be open to this type of move in congress? i think there's a sense in the white house that it's a possibility. again, i don't think anything has been decided. i do think they want to hear a public debate about this. i think the question is what happens to the president's base. will he start to lose the support of so many who put him into the white house in the first place. does he care given the fact that he's now commander in chief. that this massacre happened on his watch. does he want to see some type of action, katy? we'll have to see. i was speaking to one official who said, look, the notion that this is going to drive away people in his base is not necessarily accurate. >> no. >> but that he has other republicans who say it absolutely will. so there's a big division about what the political fallout might be for this president. but, again, once you're in that oval office, katy, the view
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looks a lot different when something like this happens on your watch. >> and the gun lobby as we've learned is a powerful lobby. kristen welker at the white house. kristen, thank you very much. >> reporter: thanks, katy. guns, the argument surrounding them, every time we have another one of these massacres in this country this keeps coming up. and we keep hearing how guns are a part of our political identity here in this country, especially hear that argument whenever we are talking about a tragedy like we saw on sunday in las vegas. a new "time" magazine article is american's relationship with guns and the controversy surrounding them. let's take a closer look at it. there are an estimated 265 million guns in the u.s. and they're owned by 30% of the adult population. it should be noted however that 3% of households, just 3% of households in this country own half of all the guns in america. and when it comes to gun control, 57% of voters believe
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guns are too easy to buy. only 35% agree with the nra's argument that more people carrying guns would make america safer. almost all american voters, 94% including 93% of republicans believe in background checks for all buyers. despite the support for the so-called common sense sense solution there has been little progress on passing any sort of meaningful gun control legislation over the past decade. so today our reporters have been hounding lawmakers on a very specific issue, the bump fire stock modification we talked about a few minutes ago that can make legal semi-automatic weapons fire like machine guns, fire like automatic weapons. and many of the people we spoke to were surprisingly open to hearings on the issue starting with speaker paul ryan in an interview with hue hewitt that
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will air in full this weekend. >> john cornyn has said he's open to a conversation on bump stocks, are you open? >> i didn't know what they were until this week and i'm an avid sportsman. i think we're quickly coming up to speed with what this is. fully automatic weapons have been banned for a long time. apparently this takes a semiautomatic and turn into a ful fully automatic something we need to look into. >> it's up to the congress to stop this. i don't know a single hunter, sports person in vermont, doesn't make any sense. nobody want to be in the woods. >> i think there needs to be a hearing. i'm a sportsman and a gun owner, and frankly i was unacquainted with a bump stock and what could convert a legal semiautomatic weapon into essentially an automatic weapon which are
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illegal unless you have a special license to obtain one. >> i think it will happen. i am more and more sure that the momentum is building for a ban on bump stocks. we introduced it yesterday. and my colleagues have said that the no reason for opposing it. most hunters have never heard about bump stocks. >> more from capitol hill in a minute. first, the latest in the investigation slowly but surely investigators in las vegas are putting together what seems like a million -- well, seems like a million piece puzzle. where we knew next to nothing about stephen paddock just a few days ago there's now a back story that is slowly coming into focus. this afternoon multiple senior law enforcement officials tell nbc news the gunman researched other possible attack locations including chicago and boston. but for every new bit of information we learn, more questions arise starting with was paddock the only person behind the attack?
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the clark county sheriff says he would have had to have been a superhero to pull off his planned escape alone. pete williams has been following this investigation since it started. pete, let's start with this report. what other cities did paddock look at? and what else do we know about the research he did into those cities? >> i don't know that it was very extensive research in the case of boston. he looked at fenway park, basically googling it on the internet according to searches of his electronic devices and analysis of his browsing history. he goog ld outdoor venues in boston including fenway park. chicago was a little different. he looked at grant park which hosts the annual summer music festival called lollapalooza and this year it was in early august. and he actually did reserve rooms in a high-rise hotel overlooking the park though he never actually went to chicago. he never actually showed up at that hotel. but you're right, it is like
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putting together a big puzzle piece. we don't know of any other cities that he researched. and we do know he also looked at possible other locations in las vegas. and the night of the shooting he had reservations in other hotels that had views overlooking the place where the country music concert was going on. >> pete, say the gunman also could have had help in this, what are they looking at now? >> the question is whether they had help. they're quite sure only one person fired shots that night, stephen paddock. the question is did anybody help him prepare. what the sheriff says it didn't seem logical to him that paddock did this all on his own, acquiring the weapons, getting them all up there, all the preparation he's done with the surveillance cameras, but so far there's no evidence that anyone else helped him plan the attack. it's something they certainly want to try to nail down whether he was in fact in on this all by himself, did anybody else fire him, direct him, help him
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coordinate, help him get these weapons. so far there's -- the answer to that all seems to be no at this point. >> pete, last hour we were talking about how he acquired 70% of his guns in the past year, that something in the past year could have changed with him. marilou danley is talking to investigators in los angeles, is there any sense they could get from her that could help them understand more about stephen paddock? >> i think the answer to that is more or less yes. she is saying to them that he was complaining about physical and mental problems in past month. and we know he was on valium. we know he had complained about some physical ailments. but what the law enforcement people tell us is that they haven't heard of anything serious enough to have pushed him over the edge into becoming
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a person who apparently for months at least thought about attacking large crowds with weapon. so they still don't know. they cannot explain this what caused this reclusive largely antisocial accountant who apparently made millions of dollars gambling, to devote a great deal of his attention to preparing to kill so many people. >> pete williams in our washington bureau. pete, thanks so much. >> you bet. >> and beth rinehart joins me now, a reporter for "the washington post." beth, you've been analyzing the trump administration's measures and how they've been rolling back gun regulations and gun control. what have they done since president trump took office? >> right. so mostly quietly behind the scenes not with a lot of fanfare there've been a number of instances where the administration has rolled back regulations some of which were put in place by president obama,
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some predate him. probably the most significant one was sort of the reopening of a loophole in the background check system. under president obama social security under the administration was going to start identifying about 80,000 people who receive benefits but are so mentally incapacitated that they have someone else handling their affairs, processing their benefits for them. so social security was going to start tagging those names to the national background check system. but if you remember the administration when they took kind of a shortcut through congress and the white house were able to quickly roll back some of the mostly environmental and labor regulations that obama had put in place. they did in fact repeal this as well.
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congress voted on it, trump signed it behind closed doors. there was a little bit of coverage, but not much. and then across some other agencies the justice department, the interior department, the army corps of engineers there've been some little noticed regulatory rollbacks as well that mostly have only been followed by, you know, people who are very, you know, closely tracking gun policy and not really so much known to the public. >> "the washington post" beth rhinehard, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. next, we'll take you live to a gun range in las vegas where ali velshi is talking to gun owners. >> thank you very much for doing the show today, katy. i'm in las vegas to get the perspective of a lot of people for whom very guns and using them regularly is a part of life. and i wanted to get their idea of how they felt about this massacre that happened right behind me and what they think
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you have gambling, you have provocative shows, you have overflowing alcohol, some might say vegas has it all, but people also go to las vegas for another reason. and one of those reasons is guns. nevada does not require state residents to get gun owner licenses, register weapons or limit the number of guns people can own. machine guns are also legal, although those do have to be
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registered. our ali velshi is in las vegas. earlier i saw you were at a gun range and talking to an owner and he said, yeah, automatic weapons, no problem as long as they're registered. >> right. it's a public range. he's the manager of it. but one of the things that's really important to understand is there are so many gun owners across this country and they carry guns for different reasons. some are for self-protection, some are for sport, some for recreation, some for hunting. and then there's that category when you land atlas vegas airport and you see sort of machine gun military style ranges around here. i went out to a range to get a sense of the range -- no pun intended, of people who enjoy shooting and what they think about the massacre that happened here and what should happen next. here's what they told me. this is gun country. 17 miles from the las vegas strip is america's largest gun range, the clark county shooting
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complex. it's where people come to practice their aim and shoot targets for sport. steve carmichael is the senior manager here. >> we're considered a little bit like the old west in a lot of ways. and a lot of gun owners in the state of nevada. we see the whole gamut. >> when you land in las vegas you see these ads for military reenactments and machine guns, things like that. what's that part of the culture? >> there are automatic weapons, we have a public handbook that describe that but supervised by the rso. >> this range outside of las vegas is actually less busy than it typically would be on a day like this because it's windy for shooting. but typically shooting like the one we saw in las vegas people come to ranges like this because they're worried that the conversation about gun control is going to mean they can't get their hands on things like this, this arx. which by the way is a semiautomatic gun. it's not like a fully automatic weapon that was used in the shooting. the keyword is like a fully
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automatic. the las vegas shooter used what is called a bump stock, a device which allows a rifle to fire with one trigger pull as if it were fully automatic. >> it's a very tragic thing. we definitely need to have some kind of control over people buying so many weapons. but that's not going to stop something like this. but we should bear arms responsibly. >> the second amendment exists and there should not be any restrictions whatsoever on gun rights. there's always going to be bad people among us. there's always going to be murderers, rapists, there's always going to be somebody out there that's going to abuse and hurt people. >> we're not in the enforcement business. we don't ask people about their licensing. if they show up at our range with an automatic weapon and they're safe and demonstrate proficiency with it, we don't interfere with them. >> so, katy, look, there are a
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lot of very safe gun owners in this country who worry that when things like this happen it tarnishes all of them and there's some attempt to take away their second amendment rights. at the same time there are others who say maybe reasonable controls can be implemented. we're hearing a lot of republicans talk about that right now. and we're hearing the nra say, look, maybe it's worth the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms and explosives having another look at these bump stocks to see whether they should be regulated. however -- >> yeah, hold on -- >> the nra did ask to loosen up a whole bunch of regulations. >> the nra was trying to trade bump stocks in order to get everybody in this country allowed to carry concealed weapons. >> sure. >> i was struck by one of the guys you spoke to in that package, ali, and the man who said there's this argument that you're not going to stop a crazy person. you're not going to stop a bad person no matter how much you try there's always going to be rapists, et cetera. but there's a difference between owning a gun for many and owning
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an arsenal of guns or owning guns that make the very easy to kill a lot of people at once. it seems like is there any understanding when you talk to folks out there that the second amendment is there for a reason, you can own your gun, but does it extend to allowing an individual to own 47 guns, high powered semiautomatic guns that have a modification that will allow them to literally mow down a crowd. >> so people are able to get their heads around these modifications that while they adhere to the letter of the law, clearly a bump stock is meant to work around the spirit of the law. i generally was able to get that distinction. the other distinction is when somebody does something like they did here, let's try and figure out the law of the regulation that we'll deal with that like we do with terrorism where we pick up on something that happened and we try and regulate that particular thing. i think there was an openness to
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have a nuanced conversation about real regulations that can work. the feeling is that when things like this happen everybody goes into their corners, some people think gun rights are absolutely abhorrent and those people are bad. and a lot of people feel strongly about the second amendment feel there are a lot of liberals trying to take their rights away. i think this presents a great opportunity now to have a reasonable conversation about what can we do to actually keep people safe. because we know if you take bump stocks away and you continue to prohibit fully automatic weapons for most people, the number of people killed on sunday night would have been lower. >> ali velshi in las vegas. we miss you, ali, come home. >> thanks, i will be there soon. >> good. coming up, a party divided. members of the democratic party are calling for house speaker nancy pelosi to slide over and make way for the next generation of leadership to take over. what does pelosi, who served in congress for 30 years, say to that? more on this right after the break.
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i do think we have this real breadth and depth of talent within our caucus and i do think
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it's time to pass the torch to the new generation of leaders. i want to be a part of that transition. i want to see that happen. you know, i think we have too many really great members here that, you know, don't always get the opportunities that they should. and, you know, i would like to see that change. >> congresswoman linda sanchez throwing a wrench into democratic talking points today, the fifth highest ranking house democrat is essentially calling for a change in leadership. for more on this i'm joined by e la na shore for politico and bob cue sack, editor and chief of "the hill." bob, good to see you over satellite this time. elana, you as well. i was talking to congressman crowley a little bit earlier and sanchez is his deputy. he was saying this is absolutely not the time to talk about this. they've got a ton on their plate, elana, and that they need to focus on that, not focus on trying to oust nancy pelosi. >> well, the big issue here is whether they can actually win
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back the house with nancy pelosi. let's not forget her second and third rank leaders are just as old as she is, frankly, they've been around just as long. there's a real question as to whether they need new blood before next year. >> bob, i asked crowley that, this idea that nancy pelosi is potentially an effective, potentially toxic, republicans like to use her as a lightning rod, they like to use her in ads, i asked crowley if he was concerned about that and he said essentially that it's sexist to say that nancy pelosi is a liability. >> yeah, i mean, listen, i think that nancy pelosi, i mean, she's a great fundraiser, but there's a lot of frustration from younger democrats in the house, some of whom have run for the senate like chris van hollen and others who've run for governor because you can't become a leader in the house on the democratic side or a ranking member, top democrat chairman
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unless somebody above you retires or dies. so that's where the frustration is. and as elana said, all top three leaders are all in their 70s. i look to joe crowley and at the end of last year democrats were urging him to challenge pelosi, which he didn't do because he's a pelosi ally. >> what about pelosi's working with the president, they're talking about the debt ceiling. schumer and pelosi got him to agree with them on that. there's also funding to the hurricane relief funding bill that they helped get passed. is the feeling now is the time to talk about this when it seems like they are at least starting to get something done despite their minority in both the house and senate? >> well, i mean, look at linda sanchez. she's both a leader and member of the hispanic congressional caucus not exactly pleased with the immigration deal these democratic leaders tentatively struck with the president.
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so there's this sense of we don't want to push back at what has been a pretty effective in the enormity but also sense that maybe new blood would change some of these key strategic decisions. >> bob, what's the chance of sanchez calling for or essentially trying to push a new vote to ask pelosi? >> i don't think it's likely. i think this is just trying to set it up for after the 2018 election. remember house democrats have been very disappointed in recent elections. some of them thought they could win back the house in 2016 and they came woefully short. so that i think is going to come down to how well they do in 2018. but as elana was indicating, listen, a lot of republicans are going to say to their democratic challengers, are you going to vote for pelosi for speaker next year? and that could hurt the democratic party. i don't think any vote's going to happen any time soon. >> elana, bob, thank you very much for joining me. >> thanks, katy. >> more drama in the house. congressman tim murphy, republican from pennsylvania, says he is planning to retire at the end of his term next year.
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he says he needs some personal time to, quote, seek help as my family and i continue to work through our personal difficulties. two days ago murphy's hometown paper, the pittsburgh post gazette published this story alleging murphy who is staunchly pro-life urged his mistress to get an abortion during a pregnancy scare. coming up, for now, it's not looking like we'll be able to see the specific russian bought facebook ads targeting voters in the 2016 election. why?
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the federal government's efforts prevent a major cyber attack may have suffered a serious blow. nbc news has confirmed russian hackers stole important details about how the nsa defends against cyber attacks. for more i'm joined by nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilinian. ken, what is the latest? >> katy, this is an incredible story. a contractor at the nsa apparently took home highly classified material including hacking tools that the nsa uses to break into computers and eavesdrop on communications. and this contractor was using a russian made antivirus software on his home computer made by kaspersky labs, and apparently it was flagged through a
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relationship with kaspersky and then stole it from this contractor resulting in a hugely damaging loss to the national security agency and the u.s. government. and this is more than just defending against cyber attacks. this is also going to affect my sources tell me nsa's offensive operations, our ability to eavesdrop on communications and hack computers around the world, katy. >> ken dilanian, thank you very much. from this, russian hackers able to steal nsa cyber information to facebook, which says it will not release thousands of russian purchased ads that targeted voters in last year's election. keep in mind special counsel robert mueller has those ads, so do both the house and senate intelligence committees which are investigating russian meddling. and then there are the 10 million facebook users who saw the more than 3,000 ads ahead of election day. joining me now is fellow at the wilson centers kennen institute in an expert in russian
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disinformation campaigns. it's not as if these ads are secret. all the investigative committees have them and people saw them on facebook. what is stopping facebook from releasing them to the american public so we all know, all of us know how russia goes about trying to sow disinformation? >> that's a great question, and one i would love facebook to answer. i think they're kind of trying to cover their tracks to some extent. they've been very slow to come along and give us the information we've been asking for since november. and i think congress is right to frankly demand that facebook give us these ads at this point. >> so why would congress not release them? >> well, i think that's up to facebook. i think if -- >> is it up to facebook if congress has them? i know senator burr yesterday said he wasn't going to do that, that's not part of their policy. but it seems like if you're talking about hacking into the american election and how a foreign government is trying to
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influence our election, sway our opinions to vote for a certain candidate over another, any candidate that might be, maybe not just 2016 but in 2020, would it be in all of our best interests in this country to be as transparent as we possibly could be? >> i 100% agree with you there. i think it's on facebook to release these ads at this point although i do want to push back a little bit. russia didn't hack the election. there's a large influence campaign going on, but one thing i think is important to note in all of these stories about the ads and how they've used them is that these are tools available to literally all advertisers. russia has been very effective in how it's used them. but there's nothing surprising in the fact that they did use them. we should have expected that. >> nina, there's a bit of breaking news that just broke, a source with knowledge confirms a house intelligence committee is asking officials from facebook, twitter and google to testify in a public hearing on november 1st as part of the committee's russia investigation. this is the same day as the senate intelligence committee's public hearing on the same
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topic. what can we expect to come out of that? >> well, i think given senator mark warner of virginia's scathing review of what twitter gave him in a closed session a couple of days ago, i would hope that executives from facebook, twitter and google are going to be a bit more forthcoming to the american people about what went on. i'd also like to see congress pressure these groups a little bit to put -- not only to release these ads but to support a good faith effort to educate the american people about media literacy and critical thinking because honestly if we don't solve these problems ourselves, the problems that allow russia to exploit fissures in our societies, it might not be russia next time, it might be any other operator that seeks to influence our democratic process and we need to cover our own tracks before -- >> you're speaking my language, media literacy, it's very
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difficult for the average person to recognize real well done news and fake news, it is rampant and will become more pervasive if we don't take a stop on it. i'm a big proponent of teaching journalism in elementary because we're just living in a society that hands us propaganda. nina, thank you very much. appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> up next, with puerto rico still reeling from hurricane maria, vice president pence heads there tomorrow. more on that after the break.
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the vice president is on his way to orlando right now to get an update on relief efforts from the destruction of hurricane maria. on friday he'll actually visit puerto rico as well as the u.s. virgin islands where they not only got hit by maria but also irma before that. and despite the president's nonchalant attitude tuesday during his visit to puerto rico, the tiny u.s. territory is still in a major crisis. it is a real disaster. just 9% of the island has electricity, most of that is concentrated around the capital of san juan. for more on the painfully slow disaster relief in puerto rico, i'm joined by new york city council speaker melissa, also from puerto rico and jeremy, former director of u.s. foreign disaster assistance chief under
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president obama. guys, thank you very much for joining us. jeremy, why does only 10% of the island have power right now? it's been two weeks since maria hit. >> well, that's a great question. i think it's first important to recognize just how tough a job this is. this is a technically much more difficult response than the responses to the hurricanes that hit florida and texas, however, it's also been a much smaller federal response. the number of people deployed at this point fema's counter is at about 14,000. that compares to 30,000 and 40,000 in the case of texas and florida. and in the case of the haiti earthquake a few years ago in 2010 it was considerably larger even than that. so part of it is the difficulty, but part of it is the federal response just has not been as aggressive as some of the others. >> why is the federal response not as aggressive, melissa? i should say speaker, excuse me. we have the president saying they want everything to be done for them. the mayor of flint has now sent
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a letter to the mayor of san juan who's been a big critic of the president saying that the city of flint stands by the city of san juan. that she was particularly galled by that saying that they want everything to be done for them. why do you think the federal response is less to puerto rico than it has been to other disasters? >> well, that's the question, right? many of us believe that it's racist in nature. both the u.s. virgin islands and puerto rico have received almost really lackluster attention from this administration. and as the guest indicated about the number of personnel on the ground in prior relief efforts, internationally and nationally, the fact that we to this day still only have 14,000 people on the ground when you're talking about having to rebuild a whole infrastructure of an island, of getting relief from one side of the island to the other, of making sure you're getting into the more remote areas.
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the whole health care infrastructure is completely debilitated and people's lives are at risk. you have hospitals continuing to run on generators two weeks in. just incredibly insufficient. and it is really irresponsible of this president and of this president and it's an insult what he said and the way he treated us in that visit which he cut short. >> he didn't go to the virgin islands. >> he didn't go to the virgin islands and didn't stay the full amount of time he was going to to see really what the struggles and challenges are right now. so it really is appalling. >> the president on twitter said you can't believe what you're seeing from your eye eyes from the reporters in puerto rico that it's not as bad as it looked. he called us fake news for this. when he got there, jeremy, i'm sure you were watching with all of us. he stuck pretty closely to san juan. visited a neighborhood with concrete homes that were still standing. when he saw a family, he walked up to them and said great looking family.
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they said they haven't had power since irma hit. they took a photo op and he said have a good time. after that he went to a church and threw paper towels to the crowd like he was shooting a basketball. he held up a can of tin chicken. he questioned a church volunteer why anybody would ever use water purification tablets for dirty water. this is an island where half of the island doesn't have access to clean water. what was your reaction when you saw all of that from the president the other day? >> i think it raises real questions about how good a handle he has on what's going on and how good a handle he has on of the adequacy of the federal response. the president's words in this kind of a situation really, really matter. it's not just rhetoric. it sends a signal to the entire federal workforce about what kind of trajectory they're on.
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if the president sees a response that i think most objective observers are considering not to be adequate to the enormous challenge, and his conclusion is no, everything is fine. we're doing an a-plus job, that doesn't signal the kind of scale up and ramp up that i think is required and as we've seen in a lot of previous emergencies. >> speaker, what do you want to say? >> i need to be doubling up, tripling up of personal on the ground. there is absolutely not enough personnel and people are not getting supplies as needed. i'm actually going to be going back to puerto rico in the next couple of days to talk -- there's an incredible response on the ground and that needs to be recognized, too. people have been doing for themselves because there's limited support in some cases from the federal response. there's grassroots organization that are visionary and entrepreneurial that are getting out there and helping to try to rebuild the island. that support needs to happen to them as well as we look at the next phase for puerto rico. right now there's still relief
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work. people still need to be saved. we need to get the power grid up and we need water to be available to the people of the island. so thank you for the coverage. the pressure really needs to continue. >> nbc news is going to stay down there. we'll be covering this until it gets better. speaker, thank you very much. jeremy, thank you for joining us. we'll be right back. on, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we're bringing you america's number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i'm proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette. gillette - the best a man can get. kevin, meet yourkeviner. kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin
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that's according to new reporting from propublica. it is a 2010 investigation into don junior and ivanka trump for what the d.a.'s office says was knowingly misleading buyers at trump soho. the condo hotel was first announced on an episode of "the apprentice" in 2006. it was meant to show that ivanka and don weren't just donald trump's kids anymore but entrepreneurs in their own right. worthy of their flashy titles in the trump organization. the problem? the condos weren't selling, and to get things moving, propublica says the major economic crimes bureau of the d.a.'s office was looking into whether the trump children were inflating sales figures to lure prospective buyers claiming 60% of the units were sold when only 15% were. and propublica sources say there were e-mails to prove it. in one e-mail, according to four people who have seen it, the
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trumps discussed how to coordinate false information they had given to prospective buyers. in other they worried that a reporter might be onto them and in yet another donald junior spoke to a broker who was concerned about the false statements saying that nobody would ever find out. it sounds damning but the d.a.'s office abruptly dropped the case two years later. why? well, that's the question. you might recognize this man. mark kasowitz who was most recently replaced as the lead in the russia investigation. he made a surprise visit to the d.a. a few months later, he dropped the case. let's bring in one of the authors of this report. congratulations on your reporting, jesse. >> thank you so much. >> why did kasowitz visit vance
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and what do donations have to do with this? >> that's very interesting, and this was a big partnership we had with wnyc and the new yorker. kasowitz was a big donor. not involved in the initial defense. and he is not actually known as a criminal defense lawyer but he was able to get a meeting perhaps because of this earlier political donation to vance which vance returned when they had the meeting. then vance makes the decision and then kasowitz donates again more money. >> vance now is saying he's going to return that money? >> vance is now going to return the money. >> four years later? >> four or five years later because of the appearance of impropriety although he claims it had nothing to do with his decision. >> he says that they dropped the case because they couldn't find beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime was committed. the e-mails that you saw, it sounds like from your sources, and we only have a couple seconds left, unfortunately,
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that don junior and ivanka trump knew exactly what they were doing. >> that's what prosecutors believe. that they knowingly lied, they had intent to lee and deceive the buyers. vance overruled his prosecutors in making his decision to kill the case. >> time is not on our side unfort notally today. a big windup and i want to talk to you further about this. we've got to pick it up again tomorrow if we can. if you report is seen the article, propublica, the new yorker and wnyc all coming together to investigating what was a fraud investigation with ivanka trump and don junior that never went anywhere with the trump soho hotel. also russians involved in that. take a look at it. that will wrap things up for me this hour. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. in his third public response to an nbc news report that secretary of state rex tillerson called him a moron and


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