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that don junior and ivanka trump knew exactly what they were doing. >> that's what prosecutors believe. that they knowingly lied, they had intent to lee and deceive the buyers. vance overruled his prosecutors in making his decision to kill the case. >> time is not on our side unfort notally today. a big windup and i want to talk to you further about this. we've got to pick it up again tomorrow if we can. if you report is seen the article, propublica, the new yorker and wnyc all coming together to investigating what was a fraud investigation with ivanka trump and don junior that never went anywhere with the trump soho hotel. also russians involved in that. take a look at it. that will wrap things up for me this hour. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. in his third public response to an nbc news report that secretary of state rex tillerson called him a moron and was on
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the verge of resigning this summer, donald trump today issued a chilling new standard for news that meets his test for veracity. in an early morning tweet the president wrote rex tillerson never threatens to resign. this is fake news put out by nbc news. low news and reporting standards. no verification from me. let's dissect that. quote, no verification from the president? if that's the new white house standard for real news, news that is verified by the president, it really would represent a brave new world, especially in light of this week's confirmation from the senate intelligence committee heads that russia is indeed actively seeking to spread disinformation in this country to impact our democratic institutions. here's how sarah huckabee sanders responded to a question about the constant attacks from the white house on the media calling all of us fake news while russia is still actively spreading news that is demonstrably false through social media and other means. >> i think that the president has a great frustration with the
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fact that a lot of times you have inaccurate information that's being presented as factual. a lot of times you have opinions that are being presented as news. and they're not. and i think that that is a real concern and something that certainly should be looked at. >> is there a distinction between erroneous reports and reporting that he finds offensive and the type of fake news that we saw pushed during the election by russian intelligence? does he see a distinction there? >> we see a problem with any stories that are inaccurate or untruthful being presented to the mesh peopamerican people as. >> also speaking about the fraying relationship about the relationship between tillerson and trump. >> is he upset his secretary of state didn't deny calling him a moron in his public remarks yesterday? >> as the secretary of state said, this is a petty, ridiculous accusation. and, frankly, i think it's beneath the secretary of state to weigh in on every rumor out
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there. his spokesperson, however, did come out and clarified that the secretary of state has never used those words. >> what's your response to those who say the president has undercut the secretary of state. >> i think the premise of that question is absolutely ridiculous. the president can't undercut his own cabinet. the president is the leader of the cabinet. he sets the tone, the agenda. i think that question makes no sense because of that. >> as though the stakes weren't high nufr, peter baker summing up the dire consequences of a weakened secretary of state this way. even if he stays, mr. tillerson is now a wounded figure. his credibility at home and abroad diminished by the perception that he does not have a close alignment with the president. foreign leaders and diplomats may doubt he truly represents the administration or that his assurances will stick. a countdown clock has been set ticking away for what many assume is the inevitable departure. white house national security official assured me that he, quote, isn't going anywhere for now.
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let's get to our reporters covering all of this. kristen welker joins us from the white house. and here at the table, for "the wall street journal" and msnbc political analyst eli stokeles. white house reporter for "usa today" and msnbc analyst, heidi przybilla and national affairs analyst john heilemann. kristen, let's start with you. first to that press briefing. i thought that was a rather stunning, really admission that the president doesn't distinguish between propaganda disseminated from russia and the accusations of news stories, what he describes as fake news that he doesn't like. wow. >> well, right. and this has been his tactic for dealing with stories that he doesn't like since he was a candidate quite frankly. and what you couldn't hear there, one reporter shouted out, by fake news, does he actually mean reports that he doesn't like? and it appears as though that may be getting to the heart of this. that when the president feels as
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though or a report is unfair or overly critical or exposesing? he doesn't want to expose, this is a way in which he punches back. look, the report i think highlighted something that has been in the public for quite some time which is that the president does have some significant differences with his own secretary of state. and we saw that in full view over the weekend when he criticized secretary tillerson on twitter for his handling of the north korea crisis. saying that talks with north korea were fruitless. so this is something that's been on display not only with that issue but in dealing with qatar and a whole host of other examples, nicolle. but clearly something that got under his skin yesterday. >> to your question to sarah huckabee sanders, just an outright lie. he doesn't undercut his cabinet? then what does it mean when he gets on twitter and calls jeff sessions weak? what does it mean when he gets on twitter and undermines the
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secretary of state who is abroad? is it about parsing words? clintonian depends on what the meaning of undercuts is? what was she saying in response to your very fair question? >> you're right. it is about parsing words. and the president would argue, look, he is putting out his ideas, his views on some of these very critical policy matters on twitter. but, of course, the counter to that is if you are publicly breaking with one of your top administration officials and cabinet members, are you not undercutting them? of course we have current and former officials. william cohen for example making that case earlier. former defense secretary saying that, look, this type of behavior not only undercuts cabinet members but is a potential problem in terms of dealing with national security, in terms of carrying out policy. it's highlighted in "the new york times" article that it may be undercutting secretary tillerson on the world stage and with critical allies.
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and so that's the very real world consequence of some of these tweets that have been break with his own cabinet members, the secretary of state. >> it's a crazy time. can you hang with us for a few minutes? i want to -- >> absolutely. >> john heilemann, let me get you to weigh in on this response to kristen's question. she stood at the posium and says he doesn't undercut the cabinet. he does every day. >> and the response is literally nonsensical that the president can't -- >> is it a lie? >> i don't know if it's a lie. it's nonsense. it's a jabber. a way of trying to get past. of course he can undercut his cabinet secretaries and he's done it many times. as a logical construction, it makes no sense what sarah huckabee sanders is saying. she's trying to get past the question essentially. not so much a lie or not a lie. it's an evasion of the question with a bunch of words constructed to distract from what the real issue is.
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that's the case in a lot of these instances. the interesting question on the question of the world stage, is that for a lot of world leaders and a lot of diplomats around the world, just as for a lot of republicans, democrats in the country, the notion that there's daylight between trump and his cabinet is what they're clinging to. a sense of security. it's like the -- it's not like if they were all in perfect alignment, people would be terrified. instead you have bob corker speaking the fundamental truth which is the notion these people are keeping the country from falling into chaos at the hands of the president. that's what bob corker thinks. he's finally said it. that's what most republican establishmentarians and leaders think. we wouldn't want them to be in perfect alignment with president trump because that would be the real danger if they were all completely on his page. >> let me read that quote you just brought up. we played it yesterday. we'll try to find that for you. oh, let's play that. >> i think secretary tillerson, secretary mattis, and chief of
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staff kelly are those people that help separate our country from chaos. as i watch, okay, and i can watch very closely on many occasions, he ends up not being supported in the way that i would hope a secretary of state would be supported. >> this is a man who has swallowed the truth serum called retirement, talking about how the cabinet secretaries, that world leaders cling to as being on a different page from donald trump who promises fire and fury and whatnot. really articulating what is often spoken behind closed doors but not often on the television cameras that it is sort of the stability of the cabinet that gives people hope that donald trump isn't going to tweet us into annihilation. >> it is that, but you see how far that goes. the president intentionally brought in a bunch of very powerful men. he has this fetish almost with
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generals and ceos because they are powerful and because they make these decisions and they are decisive. and yet these are the same men who are behind closed doors, according to the reporting, being overruled, for example, on north korea. we don't know what motivated this. might have been that tillerson was successful in getting that troop increase in afghanistan but the price he pays is the president does go out on twitter and undercut him. unfortunately for the world powers who are watching, some of that sense of security must feel a little bit threatened when the president then goes out and tweets and let's talk a little bit about what the effect of that tweet is. the effect of that tweet is the president is saying that diplomacy is a waste? that we -- we have no other option in north korea and because we don't know what the motivation is but because he was angry at rex tillerson? >> and eli, heidi makes a great
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point. we're talking about men he respects but not that he treats respectfully. these are men that have been yelled at, general kelly in reporting not knocked back by anyone in the white house. screamed at by donald trump. jeff sessions, publicly humiliated. they may be figures that he admeyea admires from afar but up close, not when he treats with much reverence. >> don't listen to rex tillerson or to anybody else in the cabinet. the president is the cabinet. it's like louis xiv stuff here. absolute monarchy. i am the state. that's what she's saying. it may be to get around a question, that's true in the short term but the long-term effect of this is to diminish the starture of everybody else in the cabinet. and this is what the president is saying in his tweets. the only person whose truth matters is mine. and this is a president whose truth for six years was that
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barack obama wasn't born in this country. this president likes to say things that are mutually exclusive. i'm a nationalist and a globalist. it's so incoherent, it's difficult for anybody to find much to grab onto. and he just wants it to be what he says in that moment. that is the truth. and the question about the consequences and is the white house concerned about conflating what donald trump believes to be fake news because it hurts his feelings. he doesn't like it with the fake news pushed by a foreign adversary in an effort to undermine our democracy and national security and sarah huckabee sanders' answer was no. >> no distinction. kristen, your byline is on that story that the president has been tweeting about for two days now. one of eli's terms i've stolen and love are presidential tells. one of the presidential tells that one a story is true and two it irks him is that he tweets about it for days on end.
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so i want you to talk about just this idea from the president this morning that a story not verified by the president, he's basically saying to his followers, can't be true. >> that's right. of course the story was based on conversations with 12 current and former administration officials. he's basically saying if i don't think it's true, it's not true. but i think this highlights two points. one, that the story has gotten under his skin. that is clear. he's not pleased about it. i think that the fact that the secretary of state didn't deny calling him a moron is something that clearly frustrated him given what you saw a few hours later when heather nuart came out and said it's not true. it took a few hours to have an official response after the secretary of state couldn't deny it himself. there's also a sense that even if he wanted to get rid of tirl s&p that
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tirlson that it would be so difficult because he doesn't have an hhs secretary or dhs secretary. he hasn't replaced kelly in that role. he's had so much turnover. his press secretary, two communications directors. he doesn't want there to be this image of disruption within this administration. he much twants the administrati be moving along smoothly. losing someone like the secretary of state, arguably, the most important position within the administration would be catastrophic at this point in time, particularly as he's facing so many foreign policy issues. so i think that it royaled him on a whole host of levels but this is a tactic that he found very useful during the campaign, and he's been using it here at the white house as well. >> john, help me come up with a list of all those who have disparaged the president. mnuchin and cohn attacked him. tillerson didn't deny in a press conference he called him a moron. his press secretary did.
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kristen welker had 12 sources on that piece and her name is on it. we have mattis who disagrees with him on policy came out saying he should stay in the iran deal. some rumblings that may or may not be the president's view. he now has a group of people around him who have publicly broken with him in ways that must bother him. but he is almost a hostage of his own inability to hire or attract any new people. >> well, certainly -- that's certainly the case. again, as heidi said, he likes having these big guys, from the military credentials with corporate credentials. he likes having them around. it makes him feel big in some way. he constantly -- >> size is everything. >> yes, it is. >> look the part. >> they look the part and there's all that kind of stuff. where we go, there's a world where the -- do you think about the tillerson thing. there's a world where good
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cop/bad cop could be a strategy where you could be pursuing a strategy where the president is saying one thing and his representatives are saying another. the problem is that as this north korea situation with tillerson revealed, it wasn't at all coordinated. tillerson got actually made a mistake there. trump also made a mistake how he handled it, but they were not on the same page. that's the dangerous thing here that in fact for a lot of world leaders, if you talk about the danger here, world leaders don't know who to listen to and at any given moment it doesn't seem like the administration is not behaving in a strategic way or tactical way. divergence isn't part of a plan and any given minute, unpredictability, chaos, in certain situations the worst possible thing is that level of unpredictability and a world that looks and says we have no idea what's going on here. >> and corker's words seen around the world, his assessment of the president lacks the stability and competence for the
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job he has. kristen welker, thanks for spending time with us. when we come back, the new face of war with russia. the devastating hack that may put america's most sensitive secrets in the hands of russian hackers. mueller drills down on the dossier. the special counsel investigation is looking more closely at that trump dossier. and the latest on the las vegas gunman. what we're learning about what else he may have been planning. morning on the beach was so peaceful. until... it... wasn't. don't let type 2 diabetes get between you and your heart. because your risk of heart attack or stroke is up to four times greater. but there are steps you can take to lower your cardiovascular risk. talk to your health care provider today about diabetic heart disease. and find out more at your heart and type 2 diabetes. make the connection.
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it's back. that dossier made public earlier this year which includes allegations of trump's ties with russia is again in the spotlight. the senate intelligence committee last night suggests he may have corroborated some parts of it. and we're learning today that the dossier is also now part of special counsel bob mueller's investigation. now joining susclint watts, former fbi special agent and msnbc national security analyst in washington, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken delanian. and a former bush/cheney senior adviser. also msnbc political analyst. you've taught me everything i know about the dossier. follow the money, not the sex. tell me about the significance, though, of the dossier still being a body of the investigation, of the set of questions, set of proof points that is still being pursued by the congressional committees and that we learn today from a reuters report is also being pursued by the mueller probe.
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>> i think it's really significant, because of the explosive nature of the charges in the dossier which go to the heart of what this is all about. it alleges a close and continuing conspiracy of cooperation between the trump campaign and russia. and it's absolutely the case that senator richard, but the chairman of the senate intelligence committee said they reached a wall. he says this yesterday. in trying to confirm every aspect of the dossier because its author, christopher steel, is so far refusing to talk to the committee. they don't know the source or who paid for it. burr also says we've been pretty successful at rebuilding the timeline of the dossier. and i went and talked to sources familiar with the matter who confirm they've corroborated some aspects of it. not willing to tell us what but it's highly classified. there are things in the dossier that have panned out from public sources. weeks before major newspapers
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reported that russia was believed to be -- or russian hackers were believed to be behind the hack of the democratic national committee in the summer of 2016, a dossier, one of the entries in the dossier talks about that hack being attributed to the kremlin. so that was before it was publicly known, and it wasn't until october the u.s. government said this was a kremlin operation to hack the dnc. so it's definitely a road map, and there may be things in it that are false. there may also be things in it that are true. >> we're always under a time crunch but let's just take a half a step back. remind our viewers why this matters. the dossier was an investigation into donald trump. there are some questions about where it originated and who funded it, but not a lot of questions about the integrity of the professionalism of the men who conducted it. it was simply a set of data points that were not fully corroborated by either the u.s. intelligence community or others. is that accurate? >> that's accurate.
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the principal author is christopher steel who is a longtime agent of the british secret intelligence service, mi6. he's a russia expert and worked for a time as a spy in moscow. now he is now in the private sector, and he has a network of sources in russia. he didn't actually go to russia. he can't go to russia. he's a former british spy. but had a network of collectors, some of whom he paid and they provided information from their sources. and people from the cia and former intelligence officials that i've talked to say this guy had a good reputation. he's a solid professional. and, you know, i mean, intelligence is not -- as michael hayden likes to say if it was a fact, it wouldn't be intelligence. these are not proven things in this dossier. not necessarily completely corroborated. but it's things that credible sources told him that bear further investigation, i think is the way to put it. >> john heilemann, that's the what. but the why when it comes to donald trump is because it makes
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him lose his mind. i remember the first time i heard of this dossier was sort of in the middle of his first really heated war with the media as president-elect. i think it was in january. i believe buzzfeed put an actual copy of the dossier online and he lost his mind. what does it suggest to you that the dossier has now at least become part of the official congressional investigation and its contents are being run down as to whether or not they are true or not as well as the mueller probe. >> it's really complicated. one of the reasons, it wasn't an investigation. it was a piece of opposition research that was paid for by first we believe a republican opponent of donald trump's in the nomination period in the republican party. and then by a democrat. again, one of the big questions out there is who were the funders of it. this isn't like let's investigate donald trump and see what the story is. they went to christopher steel who has impeccable credentials
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but the point was to try to find damaging material against donald trump. that is why the president, at least to some extent, looks at it and says, this is a hit job. that doesn't get to the question of what's real or not real. there are things proven out that are in the dossier. other things still in question. there are some things highly salacious that people have great doubts about. there's a range of different veracity levels within it. here's a reason it's so central. apart from the substance in it, you had the sequence of events you're pointing to which is where it's taken serious enough that you had jim comey having to talk to trump about it before he became president of the united states. that's a part of the story of how jim comey gets fired. it's deeply part of the narrative of what happened around not just the question of collusion but around the question of obstruction of justice and why jim comey is no longer fbi director. this is a thing that's a key element whatever it ends up being. who paid for it. how true everything is. it's a key part of the whole story played out over the course
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of the last two years now. >> and quickly, who paid for it, i know, is unknown, but the two men associated with, rett stevens is a former colleague of the american counterpart. glen simpson, i believe, is his name. a former "wall street journal" reporter who again, of impeccable integrity. not questions being raised about the professionalism of the men who put together this dossier. >> and that's the thing. that has been true from the beginning. i remember because i was on set with another news organization at the time but -- >> cheating on us. >> that was before i had my contract. and they said at the time when this was breaking that -- i'm sorry. i just lost my train of thought. >> the trump folks went berserk. if you orp set and this was breaking, i'm sure they lost their minds when this story broke. >> i'm sorry, the journalists were never in question. it was the salacious material that was in there which was why immediately donald trump tried to kind of cast this as a hit
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job on him and try and shame the journalists who were putting it out there. but never from the beginning did anyone question the credentials of those journalists. and also when you look at what happened this week with the senate intelligence committee, chairman burr is saying, look, we are not closing the door on collusion. and what could potentially be a road map for identifying a lot of the actors who they would want to at least take a look at. >> people close to trump believe in this. people close to trump i've talked to who worked with him before he was a candidate, when he was a candidate, even in the white house, you ask them about this dossier and do you believe what's in it? they say some of it is probably true. they won't say this publicly or to donald trump but if you have private conversations with these people, there's a sense that, at least some of this stuff, compiled by, you know, veteran, respected, intelligence officers, is probably on the money. >> and clint, we're dancing around this.
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the most salacious things are sort of pervy, but the thing that remains -- >> i like how you call it sort of pervy. >> super pervy. >> you guys can -- i guess it counts as super pervy for heilemann. it always comes down to russia. and i would guess and again, i don't have the sources you and ken have, into the intelligence community, but i would guess it's those business ties to russia that are being most closely scrutinized. and it's that connection between trump and russia. it's the white house press secretary today incapable or reluctant to draw any distinction between russia propaganda spread through facebook n stories they don't like from nbc news. it's this russia question. this russia overhang over everything they do that makes the story that now has your hair on fire today about this russian hack into the nsa all the more disturbing. >> the dossier is important. it provides the blueprint of what the russians were trying to do to influence the election and
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to record donald trump. part of the reason donald trump is upset is because he was getting played. >> he looks weak. he looks small. he looks like he got played by russians. >> he always thinks he has the upper hand. he's the guy in charge making the deals. >> he wasn't making any deals. the russians were making deals on every person in his campaign. the other part of the dossier that i think matches up exactly with what i observed is the propaganda campaign. you can see when the dnc hack occurred. you can see when the kremlin is debating, did we back the wrong guy? maybe we should back away from trump. what happens if clinton wins and we're stuck in this really bad situation where we've angered her. and the shift in october. i think it's critical that if you look at the prop ganda, there were three themes. anti-clinton, pro-trump, bernie sanders got a raw deal which they built out of the dnc hack. later in aurkts election is rigged, voter fraud. the dossier confirms that. the other part is the hackers. which came up today.
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we've seen pretty consistently over the last eight to nine months where either corporations or criminals were co-opted by the kremlin to create this plausible deniability. you remember putin said those patriotic russians that were supporting us, oh, they weren't us. it was a patriotic russians. we found out today through this kapersky. >> i want you to explain who -- what kinds of companies would have that software because it's scary stuff. it's cybersecurity firms basically, right? >> it's not only cybersecurity but even cybersecurity experts in the meeld. if someone goes in the back way they can open up your entire vault. and what happened -- >> and they opened an nsa file. >> so it sounds like an nsa contractor stole information from inside the nsa and he put
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it on his home computer, which was protected with kapersky software, which the russians can now tunnel through. they went in, snatched those secrets without the nsa contractor having to give it to the russians. as soon as you take stuff out into the wild, if you are using this system, it provides an open door for russia. >> it never stops. scary stuff. when we come back, the vegas gunman had staked out additional music festivals. the growing questions about his meticulous planning and the mystery surrounding his motives. ? hi! okay, so you've got two friends here. yes. this is the j.d. power award for dependability. now i want you to give it to the friend that you think is most dependable. ohhhh. ughh. wow. that's just not fair. does she have to? she doesn't have to! oh, i don't? no, but it's a tough choice, isn't it? yes. well luckily, chevy makes it a little easier. cause it's the only brand to earn j.d. power dependability awards for cars, trucks and suvs - two years in a row. that's amazing. chevy's a name you can trust!
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we see in each one of these instances we look for indicators of affiliation, of motive, of intent, and so far we're not there. >> that was fbi deputy director andrew mccabe on challenges facing the investigation into the las vegas shooter. we've learned today the scope of the gunman's plan was larger than just las vegas.
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nbc news reporting that he researched possible locations in boston and chicago. even booking a hotel in chicago at the time of the lollapalooza music festival but he never checked in. clint, what does it say to you. we've been on the air as ill-qualified as i might have been, when terrorist attacks might have happened. we've been on the air and some of the first things that became known to law enforcement and first responders was the digital footprint. why aren't we seeing any of his e-mails or websites he frequented. >> he had almost no social media presence at all. that's why we see the same picture pop up all the time. there's only a very small presence surfacing in social media. even beyond that, even when you talk to the people in the casino, they describe him as a loner. a guy always alone. he tended to be by himself. didn't have a large social circle and wasn't tied into family and friends. the only person is the girlfriend. she seems to have been the only person that hung out with him
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that can even provide, we always talk about technical indicators. we're at the mandalay bay hotel, no place in the world has better technical surveillance. they didn't pick it up. if you go to behavioral, the only thing he did was this sort of suicide planning sort of thing which was send the girlfriend away, try and send her money to buy a house. beyond that, there are no hard indicators that i've seen. only one other case like this i've seen which is andres breivik. >> ken dilanian, you're learning new information. >> my colleague has dug out this nugget that she told investigators that paddock would lie in his bed and sort of moaning in anguish screaming oh, my god in severe mental distress. another source told us that the theme of her interview was she was in some kind of mental
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anguish. but people aren't seeing anything that would have pushed him over the edge. generally in these mass shooter cases you see a triggering event. something that happens that causes a mental deterioration. so far we're not seeing any evidence of that. and i think you asked a really important question. why we are not hearing from authorities about his google searches, his e-mails. i don't know the answer to that. was he trying to disguise? yes, there's no social media trail but what about his private e-mail correspondence they must have access to. why aren't we hearing what's on that and does that tell us anything? >> i may watch too much "homeland" but why isn't he being considered a potential american terrorist suspect? ken? >> everything we're getting from our sources is there's nothing to suggest that. the philippines angle was interesting in the beginning. he wired that $100,000. but that turns out to be about his girlfriend and her family. there's just, in the absence of evidence, there's just nothing
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that points us in that direction, nicolle. >> it has led, to i don't want to call it fruitful, but an interesting conversation about guns in our politics. a conversation is always reflexively nothing will change and if nothing changed after newtown newtown, why would it change after this. we've learned about a $99 device that turns a semiautomatic weapon essentially into a machine gun which has been illegal since 1986. and washington is padding its collective selves on the back that they may consider banning that. is that a big deal? >> it's a big deal in a way that the nra came out -- >> it's so hideous the nra is against it. >> it's the lowest of the low hanging fruit. it's not even gun control which they are against. this is just banning these things that basically make semiautomatic weapons fire like fully automatic weapons and they say those were obama's fault that obama approved them twice and they also say those should not be allowed. so that may be giving republicans in congress
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permission to go out and do something small on this, but basically, they are saying do this. don't look at assault weapons. don't look at background checks. don't look at large capacity magazines. just look at this. and a president who continues to say through his press secretary, you know, we'll let you know. we don't want to politicize this after he's been quick to, you know, make his early judgments known without all the evidence. >> the nra thing is the most insidious, devious, evil thing i've seen in a while because they are, i think, going to basically say, yeah, we'll give you this. we may or may not see legislation. if we see legislation, it will be the thing where they can say we have not always -- we gave you this one piece of sensible gun regulation and then they'll say never again. any time anybody tries to do anything that's real, they will be able to say that's liberals trying to takior guns away. this is a sacrifice they're making in purely political self-interested way, i believe. >> something that probably never
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should have been available to begin with. >> of course. stop me if you've heard this from my mouths before. the gop ain't what it used to be. more troubling signs of the demise of the party that once stood for things like shining cities on hills. we'll have that story when we come back.
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>> that's what the republican party used to look like and used to sound like and used to act like. it's the republican party of the past and it's up to steve bannon, the future of the water, will look a lot more like this. >> nearly three months of negative ads that we couldn't answer with money because we didn't have it. ads that were completely false. that i don't believe in the second amendment. i believe in the second amendment. >> all right. so congressman michael grimm does not want to talk about some of the allegations concerning his campaign finances. we wanted to get him on camera on that but he refused to talk about that. back to you. >> i am going to be clear to you --
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>> those two are two candidates who steve bannon has been recently huddling with. roy moore, kicked off the bench twir twir twirks and michael grimm, seen there abusing a reporter. this is no longer your mom and dad's republican party. let's go to robert 50. save me. what's happening? >> i don't recognize my party anymore. you just played an awesome clip from ronald reagan. that was in 1976 primary where ronald reagan was running against gerald ford an incumbent republican president. george h.w. bush, even george w. bush and ronald reagan and republicans were about inclusiveness talking about a shining city on a hill. talking about let's not speak ill of another republican but also let's not speak ill of another american but here we are fast forward to today where we have a republican party that i don't recognize. a republican party all about
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divisiveness and all about tearing people down. and it's very disheartening, not only for the party. this is not an issue of left versus right. this is an issue of right versus wrong and who we are as a people and do we like ourselves? do we like how we're treating fellow americans? that's the question not only the president should ask himself but all americans should ask themselves. particularly when they go on social media and particularly when they put us in these left boxes and right boxes. we're better than that and know we're better than that. >> eli, i can count on one hand the profiles in courage in my party. jeff flake, john mccain, i may not even need a whole hand. what happens? like what does paul ryan do if he's sitting in his office watching the news today and sees the white house in sort of this trapped in an abuse cycle with rex tillerson and jeff sessions that is eseerily similar to the abuse cycle. what are republicans who sort of found themselves flat-footed over and over again in the time
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of trump, what should they do? >> they continue to apologize and cross their fingers that trump will deliver them some sort of victory and say we did tax reform. although eight months in, that hasn't happened yet. paul ryan who clearly has problems with this president's language, his temperament, his -- a lot of his behavior and he says last week, i think this president has -- i don't disagree with him on anything. he says this on fox news. he's playing into trump's hands because he's making himself look so feckless. in the roy moore race they were running ads that says send them a message. ryan's picture in that ad, mcconnell. the trump folks, the people bannon is recruiting. they are running against the establishment of both parties and donors are so frustrated, people like bob corker have had enough, they're going home, that there's going to be this huge vacuum that is starting to grow on the republican side heading into 2018 and perhaps beyond that is going to likely be filled by more trump candidates
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like the ones you just put on the screen. people bannon is recruiting. >> why don't republicans just act like chuck and nancy and say we'll deal with you when we agree on a policy but we'll not be your lap dog and not look pa thetsic and lame and take your abuse? >> they think they can just use their majority to push through their agenda. so far trump has allowed them to write much of the legislation. if you look for example with obamacare or with this tax plan. he's doing what they tell him to do. on the agenda. also what they don't realize is when that inevitably leads to failure, the people who are putting the dysfunction into congress are the same people the american voters who don't understand that this cycle that they are breeding. do you think that roy moore is being sent there because people are disgufsted with washington' inability to get things done but the same people sending them there don't understand that's what he's being sent there to do. it's going to lead to more
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dysfunction when you send more roy moores and they say oh, look our tax deadline has just moved up to the end of december. >> robert, how does it end? >> i don't know. go back for a of republicans on capitol hill are scared to death of the president because they are scared to death they may be primaried. they look at the numbers and see how the president carried their district and they also see how the president is able to connect with the constituents more tan they ever did. and so how does this end but i think it is a train wreck and we're all on the ride and how long it will last. >> or how much bumpier it will get. and we're live to puerto rico where they are slow to get the areas hardest hit.
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we turn now to puerto rico where it has been just over two weeks since hurricane maria made landfall and many still struggle from lack of power and supplies. over half of the island as water service and over 0e9% of the population is still without powerment nbc's ron mott joins us from san juan, puerto rico. are things getting better and are people aware of the president's visit and do they attribute any improvements to his stop there earlier this week? >> reporter: hey there, nicole. well you measure progress in baby steps here because it does take every day to see just a
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little bit more. in fact, we saw a traffic light at a busy intersection near the highway that was blinking again. so that is good news. and 80%, nearly 80% of supermarkets and gas stalgss -- stations are open. and we went to a town about an hour and a half away and they said they have not seen a drop of food or water from the government and i asked the governor today about that and here is what he had say. >> so governor, back to hiber neato. it is not a small town. >> it is a -- >> it is 25,000. we had to problem getting there. these people thought we were the first help taf seen. this is just yesterday. what do you say to them. >> well i say to them that there have been several trips and go to status pr and that have gone there and i say to them as we are speaking, we're coordinating opening schools so food could be generated. it is important for local
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leadership to zeg fate a dribusion site. >> we asked folks about the president's visit and because you know power is out to about 90% of the island and some people were surprised to hear he came to the island and they want his help and the federal government's help and leave the politics to the politicians. >> and the images of him popping paper towels. thank you so much for spending time with us. we'll sneak in one more break. we'll be right back. ine ravioli. a langoustine is a tiny kind of lobster. a slight shellfish allergy rules that out, plus my wife ordered the langoustine. i will have chicken tenders and tater tots. if you're a ref, you way over-explain things. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance you switch to geico. sir, we don't have tater tots. it's what you do. i will have nachos!
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like you would have a hard time getting your head around. donald trump is not the cause of this. he is a symptom of this profound change. they, moore and grim, they are the future of the party. >> i'm not a -- >> they are not out liars, that is what it looks like and under donald trump the civil war is just starting. >> and i think the montana guy who clocked a reporter and got elected. >> and won. >> brave new world. my thanks to all. that does it for our hour. i'm nicole wallace, mtp daily starts right now. hi chuck. >> hi, nicole. >> how are you. >> i just came from the hill. it is fun to be in capitol hill. you get energized. >> i believe you. thanks, nicole. if it is thursday, we're talking guns and ruses. >> tonight the nra and republicans support regulation on bump stock devices after the tragedy in las vegas. >> we are open to having that conversation. we think that we should


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