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you better word than any of these nation states or asia -- >> i want to -- i want to talk about this for hours because it's fascinating and you know what you're talking about. cara swisher. and max reid thank you. i learned a lot in that conversation. >> rare interview on his efforts to bring awareness to the crisis and i'll be joined tomorrow night on "all in." our secretary of state rex tillerson called president trump a moron and then was talked out of resigning by mike pence. he called him a moron and then mike pence talked him out of
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resigning. on a thursday night, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 259 of the trump administration wraps up a lot of news to choose from for us, including the relationship between the president and his secretary of state who's reported to have called the boss a moron. there's also some late news tonight, vague and ominous comments the president made to assembled reporters during a photo op with military commanders and spouses tonight at the white house. but we're going to begin this evening with the mueller investigation because of a major development. as nbc news first reported tonight, mueller's investigators have found and interviewed one christopher steel, the author and compiler of that explosive and salacious 35 page dossier about president trump during the campaign, specifically a trip
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donald trump took to moscow as a private citizen. u.s. officials have said the fbi has verified some of the dossier but not which parts. just yesterday they expressed his frustration about this mr. steel and their efforts to talk to him and the lack of cooperation they're getting. >> as it relates to the steel dossier, unfortunately the committee has hit a wall. we have on several occasions made attempts to contact mr. steel to meet with mr. steel to include personally the vice chairman and myself as two individuals making that connection. those offers have gone unaccepted. the committee cannot really decide the credibility of the dosier without understanding
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things like, who paid for it? who were your sources and subsources? >> chairman there richard burr being very cautious with his words. as all of this unfolds, the president is expected to meet with john huntsman, his newly minted a.m. bass so door. huntsman formally presented his credentials to president vladimir putin. and then a comment by the president and the white house has yet to clarify. we'll show it to you flanked by military families and their spouses and standing next to the joint chiefs and his wife. the president said this to those ushered into the room. >> you know what this represents. the calm before the storm. >> what's the storm? >> it could be the calm before the storm. >> what storm?
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>> we have the world's great military people in this room, i will tell you that, and we're going to have a great evening. thank you all for coming. >> thank you. >> what storm, mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> give us a hint. >> isis? >> thank you, everybody. >> that was kristin welker asking what storm, mr. president? let's bring in our leadoff panel tonight, shall we? nbc news intelligence ken delaney is here. white house reporter for the wall street journal and msnbc eli stokele and jennifer rogers. these days she's up -- uptown at columbia law school is what i mean to say. thank you for all joining us. eli, let's begin with the last thing there because people were worried about this.
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once we get by the joke of it, people were concerned about what the president said, calm before the storm. words like that matter. >> well, the words from a president have always mattered until now when you have a president whose words are often meant kind of as a joke even in front of military families when it seems to be either schtick or some sort of vague tease about perhaps an impending military action. we're left to guess whether he's talking about iran, north korea this week. we don't know what he's talking about, but it just is sort of stunning to have a president -- during the campaign it was do you take him seriously or do you take him literally? i don't know to take him either in this case. to be that -- to be teasing military action like it's the next episode of some sort of tv show, this is new ter torr ri
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for the u.s. >> there's a guy on social media pretty well connected to the military about what the president might be talking about is a counter attack on niger where we lost these three special u.s. operators this week. i called one individual who is usually pretty connected and said, any upcoming attacks we don't know about. have you been running the traps? >> i've been focusing on the mueller, trump news tonight. it's remarkable there are so many possibilities. north korea, iran, yemen. we're taking military action in countries around the world where we haven't been before. they're leaning on the balls of their feet. people are wondering what's next.
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>> i think that's why people were so concerned when they backed away and looked at the substance of what was said. counselor, help us turn the corner into the mueller investigation. mueller's associates have found the author of the dossier. we learned this after they haven't found it nor he is cooperating with them. does the mueller team get to be the first and last american interview with him? is he chief among equals? >> usually that's how it works. so far they've been deferring to the mueller investigation. that's the way it should be because criminal charges will take precedence over any sort of impeachment proceedings or anything else that happens. mueller will be writing a report over what happens here. in the case that criminal charges are not brought, that report will go to congress for any actions that they take. it seems like they would like to talk to mueller. he's used to dealing with law
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enforcement, he's probably more comfortable in that world rather than dealing with congress, elected politicians. i think he would be happier to be with mueller and his team. >> so even to a britt who has spent time in the intel world, this is a case where mueller's reputation may have gained him entree that the senate has been unable to get? >> of course. mueller was fbi director for ten years. i'm sure he knows mueller and his work and trusts him as pretty much everyone seems to. i'm not surprised that he was able to interview him. >> ken, on the dossier, you noticed something about the press briefing yesterday. just the way they were approaching the subject and dealing with it. >> i found it remarkable that the republican chairman of the
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senate intelligence committee richard burr basically said while they haven't been able to corroborate the dossier, he said, they were able to rebuild. they corroborated it. i went back to make sure i understood what they were saying. they're not saying which parts. it's incredible you have mueller going with his team to interview steel. the fbi has had the information this this dossier for many months. what this tells me is they are following new leads. this dossier makes alarming allegations that donald trump is completely compromised by russia and that russian intelligence completely infiltrated it. >> eli, what ken just said is a factual charge in chief in the document.
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the document also, how do i say this, contains a pornographic and decidedly nonhygenic portion. knowing this was in the public sphere, donald trump who was enough of a germophobe for a long time who preferred not to shake hands, donald trump came out and talked to the media about this dossier. you're going to rescue me after we listen to donald trump. >> when i leave our country, i'm a very high profile person, would you say? i am extremely careful. i was in russia with the miss universe contest in moscow, the moscow area. did very, very well. i told many people, be careful because you don't want to see yourself on television. be careful.
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again, not just rush yeah, all over. does anyone really believe that story? i'm almost very much of a germ mow phone, by the way. >> what was notable by that answer, why it was a laugh line in the room. most of us in the mainstream media have not yet and still have not talked about the details of the dossier knowing that people who want to read it can. >> they can. i don't know that we need to talk in great detail about it, but i will remind you that the campaign also had a pornographic, shall we say, portion to it that was embarrassing for the president, the "access hollywood" tape, and he survived that. i don't think at this point the president is worried about embarrassment. most of the salacious details in the dossier did come out. what keeps the president up and what eats at him and what he conveys in private conversations with people who he speaks with about this investigation, is the over arching concern about his
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legitimacy as a presidency, his presidency as a whole. there's this uncertainty hanging over him that eats at him, just not knowing what's going to happen. i think for a guy who is so reflexive in tweeting, it's remarkable. we haven't heard witch hunt. we haven't heard him complaining about it. in the private conversations he raises concern about this. you go back to the dossier and the 2013 pageant in moscow and some of the people and his associates, russians, they are part of this investigation. some of those people are the same people involved in setting up that meeting in trump tower where they were offering the information about hillary clinton. there's a lot of overlapping circles here. the president is scared. he wants it to be over. the people around him have had
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some success in tamping down, soothing him, letting him vent in private rather than public. he knows there's a long way to go and that wrappingless him. >> counselor, if you're ty cobb and you hear that mueller's folks have talked to steel, what are you thinking? >> i think they're all terrified. ty cobb is an experienced lawyer. i'm sure he knows how to deal with this sort of thing. it's crisis time at the white house. they're having to gather up these documents. the mueller team is starting to interview people in the white house. it's crunch time. i think they are all very worried about what will happen. >> if you're mueller's person, and by all accounts he has really put together kind of an all-star team, what do you want to know from steel? do you ask steel, show us your homework? >> exactly. the dossier is not usable evidence and steel himself is not personal. they're going to the sources themselves.
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they'll try to coroborate those sources, additional information just the way steel would have only with an eye towards evidence that actually can be used in a court of law not just kind of things that are good enough for an oppo report. >> there you have it. two journalists and a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. it must be thursday night on our broadcast. first break for us. coming up, rex tillerson called to the white house amid this fallout and the boss's anger over being called a moron. new reporting on that when the "11th hour" comes back.
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response to those who say the president has undercut the secretary of state. >> i think the premise of that question is absolutely ridiculous. the president can't undercut his own cabinet. the president is the leader of the cabinet. he sets the tone. he sets the agenda and i think that question makes no sense because of that. >> that's how the white house publicly handled the nbc news reporting that the secretary of state, rex tillerson, called the president he serves a moron. privately tonight's new reporting says this, trump was furious when he saw the nbc news report, which was published shortly before 6:00 a.m. wednesday. for the next two hours the president fumed inside the white house, venting to kelly, officials said. nbc news can also report that chief of staff john kelly summoned tillerson to the white house and notably they were joint by secretary mattis. more on that. they huddled to discuss a path
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forward. with us to talk about all of it, axios national reporter jonathan swan and shannon pettypiece. welcome back to our broadcast. let's bump the focus out to a wider shot here. how bad, how poisonous is the relationship now in your view based on what you're talking to and is this at all sustainable? >> it's really bad. it's actually worse than i thought it was 24 hours ago. look, we reported three weeks ago that the relationship was terrible. we reported some things that trump had been saying about rex tillerson privately, that he just doesn't get it, that he's totally establishment in his thinking. we reported that he had alienated just about every constituency that matters in washington, from the white house to the state department to capitol hill to the media, the foreign policy establishment, but in the past 24 hours, yes, trump has put on a public face
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about it's all fake news, i have full confidence in rex. his private face has been completely different. i now know to have a high degree of confidence. their relationship is terrible. he views rex as being disloyal. he doesn't know why rex couldn't have said, no, i didn't call the president of the united states a moron. yes, it's really bad. i'm yet to speak to anyone inside the white house who views this as a sustainable situation. that's not to say that, you know, i have any reporting to suggest that he's going to get fired on, you know, friday or anything -- anything remotely like that, but nobody thinks that this can continue. it's an unsustainable situation. >> all right, shannon. jonathan has nicely set up the equation here. here's the other side of this. with so many departures and the number of foreign countries who have the job of secretary of
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state way more than our president generates the job and title and role, can they afford a departure any time soon? >> i think that and two other things may be the only thing that tillerson has in his favor at this point based on -- i agree with a lot of what jonathan said. one, optically it would look bad because the president has already come out and called this a made up story, fake news, called on congress to investigate fake news. if he fired tillerson based on the report, he would acknowledge it was true. the former ceo of exxonmobile thought he was a moron. i think there has to be a little time that passes. despite the fact that he doesn't have a lot of allies coming to his defense, he tows have three really good advocates inside the white house right now in pence, kelly and mattis, who at least for now seem to be advocating
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for him and trying to keep him in that position. but unlike the price situation there isn't a ground swell of support. that was really the red line. i don't see that similar talk with tillerson. i think we would be really, really surprised if tillerson is here long after his one year anniversary. maybe he makes it until then. i would be surprised if he makes it past one year but i think we all feel increasingly so now. >> jonathan, where's that infrastructure package? how much time and energy has this zapped from the administration? and corrolarily, how much work got done this week? >> the president has, you know, obviously been dealing with las
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vegas and puerto rico. look, it's gone nowhere. i understand that's your way into this whole situation. what they've got now is a big problem ahead of them which is a continuing resolution to fund the government. who knows if they're going to get anywhere near the number that they want. guess what, they've also got tax reform? >> yeah. >> that's very, very, very thin at the moment. they have a whole lot of legislative work ahead of them and there are huge zbles just asking as a taxpayer. you can break a tooth driving across the city and so many cities. shannon, do you believe the stand by meesque band of brothers, these three, tillerson, kelly, mattis, this agreement they've formed, one for all, all for one, if one of us is under be attack, the three of us may consider leaving?
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>> i do, too. the joint chiefs of staff as well. tillerson, mattis, dumbford, they're marines and generals. that is a real band of brothers there. mcmaster. he's not marines, but a former military man. i think tillerson may be a bit on the outskirts of that because he is not -- he does not share -- he has not literally been to war, into battle with these guys but, you know, he is sort of glommed on to their alliance here. we're certainly going to have to -- he's going to have to play his cards right. they're not going to be able to pull everything for him. >> all right. thank you very much. what an interesting conversation tonight and there are so many moving parts. jonathan swan, shannon pettypiece. i hope both of you will consider rejoining us on the broadcast very, very soon and as soon as you have more news. coming up after the next break, trump has gone after the next deal like a hobbled zebra in a petting zoo.
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is he still as passionately against it as he once was or is he looking for a way out? that and more when we continue.
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we must not allow iran to obtain nuclear weapons. the iranian regime supports terrorism and exports violence, bloodshed and chaos across the middle east.
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that is why we must put an end to iran's continued aggression and nuclear ambitions. they have not lived up to the spirit of their agreement and we will be discussing that tonight. >> i think those are what we call prepared remarks. president trump today emphasized his displeasure with the iran nuclear deal continuing a trend that stretches from the very beginning reaches of his campaign throughout his presidency thus far. >> i think the deal is horrible. i think the deal is absolutely horrible. kerry might be worse because he's making a deal with iran that is so bad and so dangerous and so incompetent and stupid that it will have grave consequences. >> i don't know if you've been seeing what's going on with iran. they violated one of the worst deals i've ever seen negotiated at any level. i'm not talking about country, i'm talking about at any level. this is the dumbest agreement i
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think i've ever seen. as far as iran is concerned, i think they are doing a tremendous disservice to an agreement that was signed. it was a terrible agreement. it shouldn't have been signed. it shouldn't have been negotiated. i'm all for agreements but that was a bad one. as bad as i've ever seen negotiated. >> the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the united states has ever entered into. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states. >> well, now there's this. ann gearan of the washington post says president trump plans to announce that he will dessert phi the international nuclear deal saying it is not in the national interest of the united states and kicking the issue to a reluctant congress. people briefed on an emerging white house economy said thursday. joining me, joe serincioni and the author of three books pertinent to this conversation and they are "nuclear nightmare,
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securing the world before it's too late." "bomb scare, the history of nuclear weapons." and deadly ars nals. he's a romantic comedy writer. rick stengel from the state department and as well as former managing editor of "time magazine." gentleman, welcome. joe, i'd like to begin with you. what was the president basing that criticism on low these many months? do you think he actually did a granular deconstruction of the iran deal or who had his ear question one. question two is, for americans smart enough to be watching this broadcast tonight, what's in it for them? why should they if your view is support the iran deal? >> brian, it would be very interesting to know if the president understands what's in the iran deal. if somebody were to ask him to describe it, because it's very hard to believe that the
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president would disagree with a deal that required iran to shrink its program down to a fraction of its former size before the deal and then wrap it in an unprecedented verification procedure. i don't understand why the president doesn't believe his national security team when they tell him to a person the secretary of state, the secretary of defense, the national security adviser that this is a good deal in america's national security interests. i don't think he understands what's in it. i think he's trapped in a campaign rhetoric. it became a political point. the republicans opposed the deal because a democratic president had negotiated it, and so what's in america's interests right now, this deal is supported by all our allies, all our european allies. it's supported by people who were formerly opposed to the deal like chuck schumer in the senate, senator cork rin, like the saudis, like the israeli military and saudi leaders. why? because it stops iran from getting a bomb.
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here's the real risk. if the president pulls the plug, if he puts us on the slippery slope of pulling out of this agreement, that could put us on a slippery slope towards military conflict in the middle east at exactly the same time we have the risk of war with north korea. that is an extremely dangerous situation. >> you put it like that, it sounds important. rick, so this now goes to congress where they always work with all deliberate speed and always seem to do the right thing. what is going to happen then. >> well, he's kicking it down the road. i have to say, i have not written any books relevant to this agreement. i agree with everything joe said. the president is a captive of his campaign. let's stipulate he hasn't read one word of the agreement, i think we can all agree with that. it wasn't that difficult. iran was a nuclear threshold state. the president, secretary of state went in and basically created a situation where they
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pulled back, agreed to enrich below the 3.67% level. all of these things make them actually not able to do a nuclear warhead. if we had that deal with north korea ten years ago, north korea wouldn't have a nuclear warhead. i think and, again, joe mentioned, people like chuck schumer against the deal now came over. i think people will be reluctant to dessert phi it. we will be going against our allies, the p 5 plus one. england, france, russia signed off on this, china signed off on this. this would make us so untrustworthy on the international stage. by the way, it will signal to north korea, why should i trust you guys if you want to denuclear rise our country if you threw it over with iran. >> if you're right and he's going to do this against a pile of evidence and all the aides in this area around him, that takes a pile of acquiescence.
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i get it that there's just one boss in the west wing, but there's a lot of people who are going to have to go against their principles and look the other way if this decision comes down this way. >> right. this is why they're scrambling. so there's other reports out tonight that mcmaster, the national security adviser had a group of senators over for dinner on wednesday night and he indicated that he was very uncomfortable with this. you clearly see rex tillerson uncomfortable with this. defense secretary mattis testified on wednesday that it was in the u.s. national security interest to keep the deal to stay in the deal. so they're trying to find some clever way out of this, some way to sort of dessert phi iran's compliance with the deal on vague national security grounds but somehow keep -- stay in the deal. i don't think there's a way to do that, that's why some of these people are so worried, that they're trying do this how dine any trick. to redefy what a violation would be.
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un lat ri we define it as a group with seven different countries. we're heading for a train wreck on american diplomacy that will damage u.s. diplomacy for years to come. >> rick, how is the state department and our secretary of state currently viewed by our friends overseas? >> well, our friends over seas don't fwhee to make of president trump. they were going to get acclimated to tillerson and then now they see this rupture in your earlier segment, it just cannot be a good relationship. i can't see how tillerson lasts that much longer past this first year as your previous folks said. people around the world are worried because if that troika gets unraveled, then you have chaos. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. by the way, everyone who needs
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the counter vailing view of today's politics, buy rick stengel's book on mandela. it will have the desired effect. if you need to be scared, by any or all of joe's books. coming up -- >> thank you, gentlemen, both, very much. coming up, is congress ready to take on at least part of the gun control debate by outlawing just one part of an actual gun that's been in the news a lot this week. we're back with that right after this. building a website in under an hour is easy with gocentral...
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the trigger, to function as a machine gun, in effect, a fully automatic weapon. the president today said that he would be looking into banning these bump stocks in the future and the nra indicated today, the nra, that they might be open to further regulation of this part which, again, can be bolted onto the hugely popular long gun, the ar-15 type rifle and the ak-47. so with us tonight, nbc news correspondent steve patterson who spent some time yesterday out in the nevada desert at one of numerous places in the nevada desert talking with a firearms expert about the kinds of weapon the gunmen owned and used. steve, take it away and explain what this is. >> brian, sort of the tragic irony in all of this, the larger gun ownership community really before this week considered these bump fired stocks to sort of be something of a novelty, almost like a toy.
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i mean, nobody seriously involved in the marksmanship community, in the hunting community, certainly in law enforcement or in the military would ever really consider practically using these things. so for the purpose of what we're talking about, obviously semi-automatic rifle, one pull, one shot. fully automatic rifle, you hold that trigger down and the gun continues to fire. what this does not do is fully convert a semi-automatic gun to a fully automatic rifle. what it does, instead, is as you're leaning on that stock, it makes you pull that trigger faster than humanly possible. it is wildly inaccurate. it is unwieldy, but it is uncanny the way it simulates automatic fire and it's practically haunting. i want to show you. we went to that nevada shooting range. i want you to take a look at this live fire example and we'll talk about it after the jump. >> so we've got two semi-automatic weapons, long guns. one is outfitted with the bump stock.
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>> correct. >> so we want to know the difference between what it's like for you to squeeze the trigger each time and what it's like when the stock fire happens, the bump fire. >> great. we'll start with the semi-auto. i'm going to pull the trigger as fast as i can. so now we'll go ahead and do the bump fire. >> reporter: so you see that there. they're relatively cheap, $150 to $300. easy to find. easy to install. the most frustrating thing about these, the glaring loophole here is because every time your finger comes off of that trigger and pulls it again, they are technically legal. that is still technically a semi-automatic rifle. as we mentioned, wildly inaccurate, but if you have an extended magazine, if you have a scope, if you have a tripod, if you're set sit sitting in an elevated position looking down
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on thousands of people, what the result was obviously this week was the worst mass shooting in american history. brian. >> steve patterson. in the background there of course is the mandalay bay hotel and casino in las vegas. thank you very much. joining our conversation at this point is erica werner. how surprised were you, the nra so rarely gives up ground in their decades long fight for all freedoms possibly under the second amendment. how surprised were you that they opened the door today to increased regulation of this part? >> well, initially it was very surprising to hear, not just the nra but before them leading congressional republicans open the door to any gun regulations, which have just been absolutely off the table after sandy hook, after orlando, after steve scalise the house majority whip,
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excuse me, was injured in gunfire. but on closer examination there are some reasons that these bump stocks make sense as an area where the nra might be willing to put the camel's nose into the tent, as they say. one is that as your correspondent was saying, they're very little used. most members of congress had not heard of these. they're not a widely used accessory among gun unthese see as. they do not account for a lot of revenue for industry, which is an increasingly powerful part of the nra board. this is something that can potentially be done by regulation as opposed to legislation. there's not a fight or a vote, it's just done by the administration. for those reasons, this could be a relatively easy step for the nra to take. >> i should also add, as happens, they are selling so fast and in such numbers because
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people anticipate losing the opportunity to own them that soon we're going to reach the point where everyone who wants one may have one. back to your other point. what about newtown wasn't sad enough after those first graders, what about orlando wasn't sad enough, what is it about vegas that in your view covering that place seems to have prompted some movement? >> well, this is why those of us who have been around the hill for a while just felt so certain that nothing at all would happen. >> right. >> because as senator dianne feinstein, who's been a leader on this issue, author of the assault weapons band that was in effect for ten years before expiring in 2004, she tried to reintroduce that after new town. she said if the sight of are all of the slaul tertd school children doesn't do the trick, then nothing will. again, when it comes to the bump stocks, this is a very narrow
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step. nonetheless, it is very surprising but a narrow step, really the least they could do by some respects. in fact, democrats, including feinstein, are already feeling like the nra and republicans are kind of pulling a fast one here in taking aim at a very small device that before this incident had not been well known at all and instead of taking the legislative route to permanently ban it, just do -- do it by regulation and say, okay, now we've done something. we've acted. >> i heard one democrat say don't confuse this with gun control. this would be novelty device control instead exactly to your point. erica werner, associated press. thank you for joining us and explaining all the politics behind us. another break for us. word of another location across america the gunman in las vegas
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may have been scouting. that when "the 11th hour" continues.
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we learned today this las vegas gunman may have had other plans following what became of the worst shooting in modern history. the gunman who massacred dozens in las vegas researched other possible attack locations in boston and chicago. that's chilling. ken dilanian with new insight from the gunman's girlfriend, she said he would lie in bed, just moaning and screaming, oh, my god, said one of the former officials. joining us now, the former executive assistant at the fbi and an nbc news analyst, also with the if i recall crowd strike, and ken dilanian rejoin us as well. you were the co-author of this today.
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what was the biggest thing you came across? >> well, that nugget that julie ainslie dug out that marilou told the fbi she recalls him in mental anguish in bed screaming oh, my god. at least gave some indications that there were mental problems and another witness told us about mental anguish. that doesn't explain what happened. there are a lot of people in mental anguish in this country. they don't go out and commit mass shootings. and we're really lacking four days after this incident any motive for this. it is really an anomaly and a mystery. we don't have the full picture here. the fbi and local authorities are looking presumably at his e-mail and private correspondence and reportedly a note that was left, and we don't know what was in that. so they know more than we do but right now it is a haunting mystery as to what his mental state was and what his motive was.
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>> of the three, you're the fbi veteran. a couple questions here. do you agree with the view that finding his car loaded up with some really dangerous stuff was maybe an indicator, he had no surrender on his list of plans? and b, does any of this from the girlfriend, any of the details that came out today get you closer to a motive theory? >> the ammonium night rate, you have materials used in ieds. it is a whole new as effect on this. we heard it earlier in the week. as we look at this, and his motives as this comes full circle, looking at all the weapons, this is a much broader plot, i think. i listened to the sheriff lombardo yesterday talking,
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where he said outright that he is considering that there may be somebody else. he is not convinced there isn't somebody else. and you and i talked about that earlier in the week as well. so the mystery continues. when i listened to the girlfriend today, there is not that much that i heard that was of concern. i heard the comment about mental anguish or screaming out in pain. i think that there has to be a little more to that. i saw some other reports of some neighbors saying that he liked his privacy, he built a privacy fence even though he had a home that was somewhat secluded. these are the things we'll get bits and pieces over the coming weeks but it will take analysts sitting down looking at the totality of this to put it into frame. the last thing i'll mention is ken talked about exploiting, continuing to exploit e-mails. there are a number of electronic devices that i've heard about that he had that will be exploited. they'll be looking at who he was talking to in the days and weeks
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leading up to this. as important, you mentioned scouting out some of the other areas. and his credit card trail for the weeks leading up to this will be very important point for investigators to follow. those are the pieces that will help to pull this together as we try to determine what this crazy issue was and what caused this man to go over the edge, brian. >> a superb explanation, gentlemen, of these details that came out today and bringing us up to date on this grim investigation. ken dilanian, shawn henry, both friends of our broadcast. thank you so much for coming. on coming up tonight, someone in regular contact with this president that this country hasn't heard from in a long time. tannerite. , i'm the internet! yw what's difficult? adulting... tj! get a job! hi, guys. i'm back. time to slay! heals, heals, heals! yes! youuuu! no, i have a long time girlfriend.
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last thing before we go on a thursday night, a woman we don't
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hear much from and don't hear much about. ivana trump. donald trump's first of his three wives granted an interview to cbs sunday morning. she was asked about her relationship with her ex-husband, donald trump. >> is he still a big part of your life? >> yeah, he is. he is. >> in what way? >> that will be, we speak to each other. >> how often? >> maybe once a week. >> he asks for your advice? >> yes. >> what will he and your advice about? >> should i tweet, should i not tweet. >> he asks if you should tweet? what have you told him? >> i said i think you should tweet. >> she further revealed that she turned down trump's offer to serve as u.s. ambassador to the czech republic. because she said she didn't want to ruin what she described as her perfect life. summers in saint tropez and
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springs and summers in new york. dpoonlt from nbc news headquarters in new york. this morning, new details about las vegas gunman stephen paddock. authorities believe he may have considered attacking crowds at other big events in boston and chicago before las vegas. plus an nbc news exclusive. president trump said to be furious after reported tensions between himself and secretary of state rex tillerson, this as john kelly reportedly tries to manage all the fallout. a special counselor that is involved with mueller's team has interviewed a spy who has written a dossier alleging collusion between the trump campaign and russia.


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