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post today, you could read it. >> all right. that does it for us. >> that's your final thought? >> yeah. we hope that you guys have a great weekend. thanks so much for being with us and as always we thank you for your patience. >> see you monday. >> stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage now. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning we're talking about the calm before the storm. president trump delivers an ominous warning but with reports he plans to decertify the iran nuclear deal, the growing russian investigation, chaos in north korea and late breaking news on birth control. what in the world was he talking about? >> what storm, mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> president trump reportedly furious after the nbc report that his secretary of state called him a moron and in sense pence holds a hastily planned call with tillerson while kelly abruptly cancels plans to travel
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to las vegas and summons tillerson to the white house. 33,000 jobs left in september, the first decline in nearly seven years. we're going to break down what that all means. you know what we're beginning with, the calm before the storm, the cryptic remark coming from president trump last night while posing for a photo in a state dining room. >> you guys knows what this represents? it's the calm before the storm. >> what's the storm. >> the calm before the storm. >> what storm, mr. president? >> we have the world's great military people in this room, i will tell you that. and we're going to have a great evening. thank you all for coming. >> what storm, mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> give us a hint. >> thank you, everybody. >> just like reality tf. you're in luck. i also say this but tv i mean
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it. we've got an incredible team to break it down. what did the president mean, what didn't he mean starting with nbc's peter alexander at the white house. i could hear ore friend kristen welker saying what storm, mr. president. me question is what calm? >> reporter: the white house reporters thought they were done today before the white house called them back in for that moment. it's not clear they knew what he meant but he may have served his purpose distrablthing from the other political storms that he and this white house is dealing with. i i thi i think for a former reality tv star, this is a great cliff hanger. but in this case it's a little more concerning. we don't know what he was kerchsing. perhaps north korea, perhaps the key deadline on iran next week, october 15th, ten days away.
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our sources telling us the president is expected to dese decertify the deal. this is a destabilizing force beyond the nuclear program. >> reverse and kick it to congress. i want to talk about russia because we're learn new details about the investigation. robert mueller's team interviewed the author behind that infamous dossier. i thought that dossier was out of our life. i was hoping it would be. now it's back. >> reporter: yeah, rearing its salacious head. members of robert mueller's team traveling to interview christopher steele who authored the dossier. this is according to a source close to the exspy speaking to our team at the nbc investigative unit. the white house not saying anything yet. of course mueller's interest is
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going to renew focus on that dossier that as you remember includes salacious sexual allegations that then president-elect donald trump denied. steph? >> all right. i need to ask you about birth control. this new report out that the trump administration is preparing to roll back part of the birth control mandate. what are they talking about here? >> reporter: we've just reached out to the white house on this. sara huckabee sanders will be briefing at 2:00 today. the "the new york times" first reporting this, that the administration is poised to roll back the federal requirement for employers to include birth control coverage in their health insurance mandates significantly expanding exemptions for those who cite moral or religious objections. the new rules could be issued as early as to fulfill a campaign president for the president but they're likely to spark a round of new lawsuits. more than 55 million women have access to birth control because
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of the mandate. from a study that the obama amount commissioned. under the new regulations the times says hundreds of thousands of women could lose birth control benefits they now receive at no cost under obamacare. >> this is stunning if you think about how much the cost of birth control is every month aechb how important it is to so many women in this country. not just women, men. they're associated with birth control. i want to bring my stellar panel in. political reporter jonathan swan, yahoo! news chief michael and former fbi special agent, clint watts. jonathan, i got to start with you. how do you interrupt the calm before the storm? clear hi this is part of the president's love for drama and reality tv. i mean prime time t straight out of "the apprentice" do you know
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in tomorrow. >> obviously don't have any information to classified information that but i think there's a high degree of probability that he's trolling everyone. i was talking to a senior official last night, someone i should stress is not on the nsc and not privy to any covert operations and he started laughing, don't you get it, he's just trolling all of you. but it's trolling with serious consequences. this is what he does with national security. it's a different context but we reported last week a private meeting inside the oval office discussing the south korean trade deal and he said to robert lighthouser, you tell them i'm so crazy i could pull out any minute. and that seems to be the mad man approach that he's taking with north korea, the knicks sewnian you know take these wild statements and destabilizing statements and let the chips
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fall where they may. obviously there are risks to that conduct. >> i'm so crazy i could do anything. imagine how the military moms feel about a statement like that. i want to ask you that the president is sit to decertify the iran nuclear deal next week. what message is that sending to our allies and north korea in. >> you mentioned the allies. well it's kind of a -- it's a little bit disingenuous, the argument of decertify and then quote unquote fix. because you know, i was talking to a number of people yesterday who have urged donald trump very strongly to decertify. and all indications from all the conversations i've had is that is exactly what he's going to do. as you noted, kicks it to congress, doesn't mean they withdraw. doesn't seem to be a huge appetite in congress to put the sanctions on. but the notion of fixing with the european allies, the notion after he decertifies, that the europeans are equally going to
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scurry to the negotiating table and say mr. president, let's fix this deal. it's not going to happen. yes, it's not with drawing from the deal but all indications are this puts it on a path to withdraw. your second part of the question about north korea. look, the obvious conventional wisdom is how could anyone trust in a deal with america after that. but really are we talking about north korea as a serious negotiating partner that is going to honor deals and have constructive conversations. >> repeal and kick it to congress doesn't have the same ring that lock her up and build the wall do but it's certainly what the president actually does. michael, i want to turn to russia. robert mueller's team interviewing christopher steele, the former british spy who authored that dossier about alleged russia collusion. does this mean that mueller thinks the dossier is for real?
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>> we don't know. what we do know is that christopher steele, the author of the dossier had actually reached out to the fbi last year and had two meetings with fbi agents as he was preparing the dossier. you remember, he had a relationship with the fbi going back over the years. he had been helpful and instrumental in the fifa investigation, prosecution brought in new york. so he knew some of the fbi agents who worked on russian organized crime as he was uncovering the information or the allegations that ultimately made its way into the dossier. he has said he was so concerned he reached out to them and had meetings with them back then. and we do know that after that, after that initial meeting the fbi opened up its counter intelligence investigation into
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possible connections between the trump campaign and the kremlin. >> hold on. michael, walk us through this week, the senate intelligence committee said they have not been able to talk to steele. they can't talk to steele but he's had a relationship with the fbi from over a year ago? >> right. well i think that -- look. christopher steele comes out of mi 6, the british spy service, not a guy who's used to dealing in the political arena who wants publicity or attention. and i think he sees the congressional investigations as a political process and he's more comfortable talking to people who work inside the government, counterparts at the fbi, and in this case robert mueller. look, here's what we know about the dossier. in broad strokes he was clearly on to something because in the dossier, long before the u.s.
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government reached the conclusion, he was in broad strokes talking about a concerted kremlin campaign to intervene in the american election. as for the particulars about connections between the trump campaign and individuals in moscow and the allegations of collusion and the allegations of compromise, they all remain unproven at this point. they are just allegations. but in broad strokes i think that there's a consensus she was on to something. and i think that's why mueller wanted to talk to him. >> they are allegations that trump and his team had vehemently denied. clint, what do you make of the fact that mueller and his team are speaking to steele? >> you're talking about two agencies, mi 6, fbi, investigators that have worked together. the second part is, if you're steele, do you really want to walk into congress and talk
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about sources and methods and how you acquire these things. the house has been littered with leaks from the very beginning of the intel investigation. the senate has been run much better but at the same point you don't know where the information is going. almost everything we've heard has come from the hill. >> let's talk asht the direction of the investigation. does it say something that robert mueller and his team are meeting with steele at all? at the very least couldn't they be crossing their t's and dotting their i's? >> i think they're trying to verify where the information came from. he was out in front of this. in terms of human sources, he had actual people who were aware of what was going on insides the kremlin and it matches the influence campaign you can see going on in the united states. >> how about the fact that we haven't even talked about chief of staff john kelly's cell phone being compromised. that's how much news is out there. thank you for this conversation. we have to turn of course though
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to vegas because there are new developments in the las vegas massacre investigation. mutt. senior law enforcement officials say stephen paddock researched other possible attack locations, boston and chicago, reportedly booked a hotel room overlooking the lollapalooza music show. but he didn't show up. the girlfriend told federal investigators that she was worried about his mental health, recounting how he would lie in bed moaning and screaming. that's concerning. pete, you have been all over this all week long. are investigators any closer to a motive? >> not that they -- no. i think the simple answer is no. they've said this in both the las vegas police department and the fbi. they obviously want to get there but nothing stands out. lots of little things that they want to look further at but in terms of the health, for example, there were suggestions here that he had some physical
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problems. neighbors said they thought he lost a lot of weight. you have the girlfriend saying that he would sometimes cry out inning a any during the night saying oh my god. he was taking the anti-anxiety medication valium. although certainly millions of americans take valium or the other similar drugs. nothing that stands out. nothing that would be clearly the kind of thing to drive someone to do all of this planning and commit mass murder. you mentioned the other cities he looked at. that's based on analyzing his internet unit. this is analyzing all of the phones and computers that he left behind, looking at his e-mails, his phone calls and so forth. but as far as i know, it's just those two cities in which he was looking at outdoor concert venues that had high-rise buildings nearby. but it does show, law enforcement saying, that as of months ago, as early as august
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or late july he was apparently thinking about large crowds that potentially he could attack. >> this story is only getting more and more concerning. we certainly need some answers. pete, thank you so much for your constant coverage of this devastating attack. all right. we're going the take a break. the latest on the nbc news exclusive reporting of president trump's relationship with secretary of state rex tillerson. the president calls the feud fake news but that seems odd since the president is saying it sounded very angry inside the white house. first, congratulation to the international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons. this year's recipient of the nobel peace prize, a global treaty to ban nuclear weapons.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. outrage at the white house as president trump stews over reports that his secretary of state called him a moron and threatened to quit. nbc news is exclusively reporting new details of an angry showdown between rex tillerson, trump and vice president mike pence. five senior administration officials describe trump as quote furious and seven officials tell nbc that pence was also enraged. all of this in response to an nbc report revealing tensions
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between tillerson and trump. and nbc learned that was pence who spoke with tillerson ahead of the unplanned news conference where he disrouted nbc's original reporting. i'm joined by the woman in charge leading this intrepid reporting. the president loves to call this fake news. but go inside the white house. there ain't nothing fake about this. >> that's exactly right. obviously he's tweeting. he said it on camera this is fake news. but behind the scene we know that he was really angry about when this report came out. he spent a couple of hours that morning fuming about this, venting about it. he left for las vegas, his chief of staff stayed behind in order to manage some of the fallout from this. and as part of that effort chief of staff john kelly summoned not just tillerson but also defense secretary james mattis over to
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the white house where the three of them had a meeting to talk about how to get past this, what the path forward is. and you know, what's significant about this, as you remember stephanie, james mattis and john kelly were the two officials who intervened in july when tillerson was threatening to resign and tried to convince him to stay. the three of them are very close and at this moment earlier this week they got together again. we know that mike pence spoke with tillerson and essentially said look, you need to get out there and fix this. and then we saw tillerson come out and give his rare news conference. >> but did he fix it? he said mr. president, i love job, i love you so much, you're so smart but he didn't deny calling him a moron. i need my panel to weigh in on this. bill, brendon and evan republican strategist and author of gps. evan to you first.
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if in fact tillerson were to leave that mike pompeo could get tapped if for the job. >> it's going to be pompeo. nikki haley wants the job. who else wants to work for donald trump. he expects loyalty. it's a one-way street. and when this happened, even if donald trump didn't say -- if rex tillerson didn't call donald trump a moron, donald trump having rex tillerson go out and give that press conference for an audience of one -- >> but premoron, wasn't loyalty president trump's issue always with rex tillerson. i'm going to take carol's line, gone the fuel mnuchin. he never gets to his knees and simply praises the president day in and day out. rex tillerson views himself as a peer or before he was president superior to trump. and trump certainly didn't like
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that. >> trump believes everybody in washington who is on his side should be doing that. that's why he retaliated against paul ryan and mitch mcconnell by striking those two deals with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. it's been reported that he's been upset with rex tillerson for going out across the world and promoting america but not him. and rex tillerson does not promote the pr of donald trump. he promotes the diplomatic relation of the united states in any other country. >> think about rex tillerson a year ago, running exxon, traveling around the world, ready to retire, hang out with the boy scouts and now he's sitting next to trump going, am i really doing this? >> what we're seeing play out is the after deez yak of power. why would rex tillerson, the ceo of exxonmobil, one of the largest corporations of the world, worth well over $100 billion, highly respected if not controversial especially in climate change circles.
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but this guy really did not have any reason to be subservient to donald trump. >> said his wife made him do it. >> it's not only rex tillerson. we've seen it with gary cohn and deena powell. the best thing that happened to these people is they get kicked out or leave so they can go on about their lives and pick up the pieces. rex tillerson needs to take the message and get out. >> you've got full shakespeare on us. >> i didn't want to say shakespeare because it's cliche but it's true. >> the other thing we're missing here. we're watching the cabinet level dance, the chairs moving in and out at the big table. but i live in the d.c. area. i cannot tell you how many people i know in senior positions, in experience positions, in multiple agencies who just didn't do it anymore, particularly at the state department. at all levels at all agencies of the government. people whose experience we need,
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no matter where they are, they're leaving because they can't do this anymore. will he hang on, will he not. will it be nikki haley? it doesn't matter. there's a lot that's not there anymore. >> why would nikki haley want this job. she's ambassador to the united nations. she's kicking it here in new york city. gets a big title and hold it all at an arm's length. why would she want tillerson's job. >> he's put forth american moral leadership. >> stay safe where you are. >> nikki haley will ultimately be running for president one day and it's much easier to run for president when you've been a secretary of state. >> really? what if he go to war with north korea? >> i think that explains everything. you have 100 senators, 50 governors. that's 150 people who believe they can be president some day. >> ambition explains everything. she wants to do that.
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gary cohn wants to be head. everybody else wants something else, they're not happy with what they've got. people who are billionaires aren't happy being billionaires. >> now you're talking about adrenaline addiction. >> addiction to power and nothing ever being enough. when is it time for things to be enough. >> is there anything that rex tillerson can do within the administration to recover from this? just a week ago president trump fires tom price. the laundry list of people in this administration who have had to leave. every day we're going let me tell you about the amount of flights steve mnuchin took. i mean if trump keeps firing people -- >> why would he want to recover from this. his own president under cuts him when he's trying to go on a diplomatic mission to china. >> sara huckabee sanders says it's imsable for the cabinet to be undercut by the president. he sets the rules for everything. >> we've got to take a step back and look at what's happened from
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the second the president took office. it's sending its days cleaning up up after the president. when you do damage control 24/7 at the expense of actually going out and doing long term planning, getting cabinet officials out there to get help with tax reform, it's not a functions government. >> we've been saying for months why doesn't gary cohn quit. nobody does. what you're saying doesn't jief with what they've done month after month. >> there's another aspect is of this. there are two people in the cabinet, close to the president who have never suffered from his lack of respect. generals kelly and mattis. for some reason, the two of them have power over him that no other civilian in washington has. >> and those two like rex tillerson. >> so i mean, it's not helping rex right now. look, to save your dignity at this point, which is really all
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these people have left, if that, they need to say -- rex needs to say i'm out of here, garry needs to say i'm of here. let the guy pick up the pieces of his crack pot personality. he's got to get the message that this isn't working. >> defending deena powell and others, there is an argument for them staying because they're worried about who would replace them. you wouldn't get a single a ballplayer to replace them. it would be like picking somebody out of the little league. >> i don't think it matters if you've got somebody of high caliber or not. donald trump does mott listen to those people. rex tillerson is a high caliber guy, they're not listening. he's not listening to these people. what's the point of being there. >> i think they believe they can do damage control. one of the things you've seen mattis doing is flying around the world, talking on his own to allies basically saying hold the
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line, we're going to take care of this. >> this is a guy who tosses paper towels at surffering peope in puerto rico. what is this guy's problem? >> this story line that we're discussing, it is not going away anytime soon but we have to leaf it there. it is time for you to get your morning primer. your mind is going to be blown with the amount of news out there today beginning with tropical storm nate. hurricane and tropical storm warnings have been issued from louisiana to the florida panhandle as they brace for heavy rain and strong winds by late saturday. the inspector general says steve mnuchin's use of government planes cost the american taxpayer more than $800,000. a report found all flights were legal but poorly justified. flying private to miami? you can fly there all day every day commercial. harvey weinstein is taking a leave of absence from his company after a bombshell "the
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new york times" report detailed decades of sexual harassment allegations against him. in a statement, attorney lisa bloom said he's acknowledged the mistakes. attorney charld harder says the story is littered with false and defamatory statements. politico is reporting white house chief of staff john kelly's personal cell phone were compromised for months. isn't it amazing, this is the 11th story we've gotten to. they discovered the potential breach after kelly complained that summer that the phone wasn't working properly. the justice department released a memo on wednesday saying that the civil rights act does not protect transgender people from discrimination at work. the new memo reverses an obama era policy that expanded the law beyond its intended scope. take a breath on that one. more than two weeks after hurricane maria hit puerto rico, much of the island is still
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without food, water and power. and just today the governor of puerto rico announced the death toll has risen to 36. bh we're in puerto rico. you have spent time in san juan and in the countryside. give us an update on the real situation there. >> reporter: stephanie, the situation in the puerto rican is dire. we went with a group of volunteer nurses from new york, california, vermont. i asked one nurse from oregon to describe the situation that she saw and she said sit a war zone out here. and this mountainous city of 20,000 people, they have no power, no water. there are dozens desperate for medical help. we saw the nurses treat cancer patients, diabetics, small children. people haven't been able to take their medication for two weeks. 60% of the structures were
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damaged after hurricane maria and he assures me they have not seen fema on the ground yet. one woman when she saw her camera she burst into tears. and this is her message for the white house on the day that vice president mike pence is set to visit the island. >> my husband, he has cancer. and i have to give him treatment and i don't have anything to give him. >> reporter: what is your message to the white house, the federal government, anyone watching? >> please help us. that's the only thing i'm asking. please help us. >> reporter: that desperation, stephanie, just an hour outside san juan. and people don't have easy access to fuel there. it's not like they can drive up here and get the supplies they need. and still on the outskirts of the capital, you still see these long lines for ice because 90% of the island still has no power. these images really underscore
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the nightmare that this recovery has become, a legacy that people here tell me the white house is going to have to deal with for months if not years after maria. >> that woman begging for help, a u.s. citizen, our responsibility. thanks so much. we're going to take a break. tonight, chris hayes discusses the challenges of the people of puerto rico and the release. his new single benefitting hurricane relief efforts tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern. next, much more on the september jobs report. $33,03 33,000 jobs lost this year. is the real issue wages? we look at the market roaring, jobs become a-ok. but income and equality isn't changing and remember it is one of the reasons that people wanted to vote for president trump. (avo) when you have type 2 diabetes, you manage your a1c,
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my favorite thing to talk about. jobs number is out this morning. in september the u.s. lost 33,000 jobs. the fist decline in 7 years.
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average hourly private sector earnings are up and the unemployment rate is down to 4.2%. the economists expected a slow month following hurricanes harvey and irma disrupting businesses in florida and texas. and i want to bring back bill and brandon. when we look at the jobs number it's down but ie es due to the hurricane. is the thing that we need to look at is the stagnant wage growth? if you think about two things that elected president trump, it was draining the swamp and we know it's not getting drained, and incoming equality. the enthusiasm that trump and his sons cheering about the stock market. >> i think we're starting to see wage growth. when you look at the number here, it's encouraging. it's higher than it was. it's the kind of number we're looking for. the fed goes around and talks to businesses all other the country
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and the businesses say we're offering people extra hours and benefits and better health care but we can't seem to get them to come to work. every time i hear that there is an age old answer, the answer to why can't i find labor, it's because you're not paying them enough. businesses have gotten out of the robert of giving raises and we're seeing that in the data now finally. it's what we've been waiting for four years. >> business sentiment is a positive. are we going to see this translate. if it does, this will be a huge win for trump. >> translated into what, though? your point is exactly right. the macro point that the rich keep getting richer in effect. the stock market now near 23,000? i mean this is astounding. who owns stocks? not people who are working at, you know, mcdonald's and burger king and getting the 2.4% increase in their wages. >> i can tell you 13% of americans own stocks. >> and that is not -- i mean, so
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people who own stocks, fabulous. people who have a lot of income who plan to benefit or corporations or corporate executives who plan to benefit from the president's proposed tax program that gary cohn is sticking around for to implement, who does that benefit? >> but maybe it is a big win for trump though. if president trump is never going to lose his base and suddenly you've got people who didn't vote for him but at this point they're going wow, look at my stock portfolio, i'll turn the news off. >> it's october. the stock market is hitting all time highs. it means that come like november and december we're going to be probably talking about a major stock market reversal. >> and howard marx put out his letter who said this feels like pre'08. remember what happened then. >> one thing that's remarkable about trump as far as business
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goes, his business sentiment has spiked. i can look at what he's doing saying i don't know how that's going to create growth. but the business owners feel confident. >> and even if trump doesn't lower taxes or deregulate, they know they're not getting more regulations. and the threat, the looming threat of regulation during the obama administration was an overhang that kept businesses from growing. >> even with hillary clinton had won it was going to be more of the regulatory jeopardy. that is off. >> and whether he passes tax reform or actual repeals any part of dodd-frank, he had gotten in now a fed number two overlooking wall street who is going to completely have a different view of deregulation than the previous. >> ding ding ding. >> but that sentiment hasn't turned into business investment. we can say that people are happy. it doesn't matter for the economy until they buy trucks, buildings, machinery. we've seen a slight spike in the
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past two quarters in business investment. but the only sectors where there's been investment is oil and gas. >> we have to remember why regulation is put in place. and i'm not saying we went overregulate. but no one self polices. look at facebook. if you continue to deregulate and we blow up again, we're going to be back where we started and the poorest guy loses the most. >> the main reason we had the crash ten years ago was the light touch regulation that george w. bush installed. r remember christopher cox? >> from light touch to heavy petting. >> and the argument against regulation has always been more regulation decreases economic growth. the evidence on that is so bad, we have really, really bad
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empiric data that says there's connection between more data and economic growth. the economics here don't work. >> we have to leave it there. we got to come back and talk aboutface book. they're promising greater transparency in the political ads that show up in your feed. but according to a new report from bloomberg business week, facebook fought for years against proposed years that would force it to do just that. we're going to talk money, power, politics.
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maybe the most important step we're taking is we're going to make political advertising more transparent. we will work with others to create a new standard for transparency in online political ads. >> it's time to talk money, power, politics. that was facebook founder mark zuckerberg promising greater trans transparn f transparency for political ads. bloomberg campaign finance reporter bill alison joins me now. bill, mark zuckerberg can do the videos and take out full page ads in the "the new york times" all he wants but history proves he never wanted to be transparent. >> that's true. back in 2011 facebook asked the federal election commission for an exemption. the federal election commission
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hasn't tried to regulate the internet since 2006. but if you're buying an advertisement on a thir party website you have to disclose who you are with the kind of paid for by language that we see from campaigns and political committees. what facebook asked was it wanted people buying ads on its website not to include that information. >> what was their rationale behind that argument? >> the year before google for its google ads that you find in search, if you put in hillary clinton, you'll get a few sponsored ads, google adds not to include that language because there's a small amount of text there. but google said that those ads would go back to a web page where it includes, if you click on the link you'll see the paid for my hillary for america or whatever committee is paying for it. facebook argued that its ads were like, very similar to google ads or like campaign buttons, you don't have to put
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the paid for by on a campaign button. but the difference in what facebook wanted to do was that facebook didn't necessarily say those links would go back to a campaign page. somebody could buy an ad criticizing a candidate and link to a fake news site -- of course they didn't know the fake news sites would be so important back in 2011. but it could go somewhere other than the place telling you who was paying for the ad. >> you wonder why regulation matters. in cases just like this. you can read the entire piece on news stands now. it's a stunning one. we're going to take a break. republicans and the nra voice their willingness to ban the device that the las vegas gunman used to make weapons automatic but is anything actually going to get passed? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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there is a lot of momentum here in the congress for solving this narrow issue. it's very clear to everyone here by now that this is a blatant circ circumvention of existing law that automatic weapons are not allowed in our country. and that this device converts
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semiautomatic weapons into automatic weapons. >> that was republican congressman carlos curbelo on "morning joe" pushing legislation to bump tstock devices to make guns an automatic weapon. kasie hunt is joining us from washington. kasie, what is the future of this bill? >> reporter: steph, we are still trying to figure that out. and there's still a push. we should be careful to distinguish here. the nra has essentially come out and said they think those devices should be regulated differently. and there is this request in from some other moderate republican members of congress that said the atf took another look at their decision to declare that the bump stocks were illegal. there was an evaluation of them several times, actually. and they came back to say, look, this particular device doesn't seem to actually make major changes to the functioning of a weapon, which means that it falls into a category that makes
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it legal. and there is some dispute behind the scenes about whether or not the atf could actually make this change. that's what the nra is asking for. that's what moderate republicans are asking for in a letter to the aft. what carlos curbelo is talking about is a potential bill. he also in the interview talked about how if you tried to do more than just specifically ban these devices, the thing will fall apart fast, the bill and the risk with any piece of gun control legislation. that is why we haven't seen a lot of action from congress in the wake of previous shootings. it's very difficult to get a consensus on this. and the longer it takes winding its way through congress, the more potential pitfalls there are for that kind of legislation. and the nra right now is not calling for the kind of bill that carlos curbelo is talking about. >> the question is, is something better than nothing? like this and everything else we are covering today ain't going away any time soon. don't miss hue hewitt's
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discussion with house speaker paul ryan on gun control and the newly-introduced republican bill that would ban the sale of bump fire stocks. don't forget, paul ryan got almost $200,000 from if nra. we'll tell you where he stands on these bump stocks and find out where he stands tomorrow on msnbc. so that's the idea. what do you think? hate to play devil's advocate but... i kind of feel like it's a game changer. i wouldn't go that far. are you there? he's probably on mute. yeah... gary won't like it. why? because he's gary. (phone ringing) what? keep going!
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before we go, remember that fearless girl statue? i visited her back in march. she popped down on wall street
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staring down the famous stock market bull. the financial services firm behind that statue settled a claim for $5 million after an audit found that the firm state street discriminated against over 300 female employees and 15 african-american employees paying them significantly less. well, it's good to know that those employees had that fearless girl inside them to stand up and fight back. that wraps us up for this hour. i'll see you again at 11:00. right now, more news with hallie jackson. stephanie ruhle, good morning on this sunny friday from d.c. it is not quite stormy but not quite calm. but first, we'll start in vegas with nbc sources revealing new details about what the shooter's girlfriend said he would do at night that sounded strange. and where else? the gunman scouted potential attack locations. and the white house is watching for new developments on iran and maybe immigration on the military front. this cryptic warning from president trump.


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