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jeans. >> thank you both for being here and thank you for my first fallback. is it going to be a tradition? >> you're very welcome. >> see you back here on monday 6:00 p.m. eastern or tonight when i fill in for lawrence o'donnell. up next is "hardball." calm before the storm. let's play hardball. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. the president is at war with his secretary of state. he's reportedly about to decertify the iran nuclear deal and kick it back to congress and making cryptic comments about a coming storm that nobody knows what he's thinking. what is the mworld thinking of the man with the title commander in chief. rex tirl son's attempt to clean up this mess after the news reported that he called the
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president a moron. according to new nbc reporting, it's what tillerson didn't say that further enraged trump. secretary's refusal to deny that he called the president a moron in his opening statement and in his responses to questions from reporters stoked trump's anger and widened the rift between the two men, officials say. meanwhile the president has rejected the advice of his top national security advisers and decertify the iran nuclear deal leaving it in the hands of congress to decide what to do. the world is looking on in horr horror. according to the washington post, president trump's decision to decertify the nuclear deal could start a chain of events that would sharply divide the united states from its closest traditional allies in the world. none of the three european signatories, britain, france and germany believes that iran is in violati violation. and even l each has said it will not renegotiate the nuclear deal. then there was the president's
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bizarre statement just last night during a photo session with his top military advisers and their spouses before a dinner at the white house. listen to what the president said. >> you guys know what that represents? maybe it's the calm before the storm. >> reporter: what's the storm? >> could be the calm before the storm. >> reporter: what storm, mr. president? >> we have the world ears great military people in this room. i'll tell you that. and we're going to have a great evening. thank you all for coming. >> reporter: what storm, mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> reporter: give us a hint. >> thank you everybody. >> what storm exactly was the president referring to. he offered no clarity today. >> reporter: mr. president, what did you mean by calm before the storm, what did you mean by that? >> thank you very much. you'll find out.
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>> white house spokeswoman sara huckabee sanders was equally vague. let's watch her. >> reporter: was he referring to military action when he said calm before the storm? >> as we've said many times before, i know the president has, as i have from this podium on quite a few occasions, we're never going to say in advance what the president is going to do. and as he said last night, you'll have to wait and see. >> for more i'm joined by joy reid, "wall street journal" white house reporter eli stock ls and nick stein burger, former speech writer for samantha powers. joy, i haven't seen you in a while. you've been a superstar on the weekend. let's try your luck on a weekday. here's the question. what is he talking about and why he is talking about in this language, big thoughts are coming to me, i may be doing something important, i can't say what it is. what is this about? >> chris, it is great to see you. i definitely miss talking you on
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a more regular basis. really good to be here. this is the fundamental recklessness of donald trump. he thinks what he's doing is keeping everyone on edge and giving himself an advantage strategically by not telling people what he's thinking. but what he's doing is destabilizing not just our situation vis-a-vis iran, this idea that he's going to decertify iran's compliance when all of our allies say they are in compliance. but if you're in beijing right now thinking about what to do about north korea and about how to approach pyongyang, why should north korea believe that a deal we put on the table to get them to stand down from their nuclear ambitions if iran made a deal with the united states and the next president comes along open throws it in the trash. donald trump is wreaking havoc on our relationships around the world. no wonder rex tillerson is frustrated. >> let me go to this. when you say the calm before the storm, there's three storm
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fronts that we know about, north korea, as joy said, iran and whether we're going the decertify and who is he going to fire at the highest level of his administration. we're not guessing all over the place. we think it's one of those three areas. >> it's insane to think this is the calm because nothing feels calm around this administration. sara sanders was asked about this, is he referring to something specific. she said not that she knows. he had an opportunity to ease the anxieties and say look, nothing is imminent. he didn't. he likes the drama. he likes teasing it out. presidents have often been very careful and sober with their language about foreign policy, about the use of the military. you don't see that from this president. even standing next to the families of our servicemen and women. it's anyone's gez what he's talking about. >> let's guess to why he's thinking about decertifying. let me go to nick on this. april asked him from the white
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house pressroom today, are you thinking about firing -- basically shi said, are you thinking about firing your chief of staff. and i i guess it's crazy land. an attorney general he doesn't like, doesn't like sessions, doesn't consider the guy he wants, doesn't seem to like his secretary of tate. the guy reportedly called him a moron and hasn't taken it back. which is pretty hurough. and it seems like he may not like the straight jacket he's in thanks to his chief of staff. so the question is, john kelly. nick, how do we know what's going on here? do you have any reporting on this? is he going to fire either the secretary of state of the chief of staff tonight or this weekend? >> what actually is the decision point, what pushes him over the edge in terms of whether he trusts them or not.
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and in fact it is not their leadership of the institutions that they're in charge of but it's their blind loyalty and ability to express their loyalty to him. there are legitimate reasons to question whether rex tillerson is the person who should be leading the state department. i have a piece out this week that talks about a growing number of career foreign and civil service officers who no longer feel that they can serve in this administration because their voices aren't heard, because they don't have a seat at the table and because frankly this administration puts no trust in diplomacy. now that is a legitimate knock on this secretary of state. that doesn't seem to bother the president. what does is maybe something that was said that was disrespectful of him in an offhanded comment. >> let me stay with you on one question. representing the government of ghana or any government, do i think the secretary of state is the person i need to get ahold
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of? does he have anything to do with anything? >> repeatedly this president undercut the credibility of his own secretary of state. and the ability, the leverage that any secretary of state in any administration has is the belief of people outside the united states that he speaks for the president. if i were a leader or a diplomat outside of the united states now, i would not have that trust. the other trust that rex tillerson has lost is the trust of the institution that he leads. you know, you don't show up to a department and before you basically have even found your way around propose cutting a third of it before you even understand how it works, but that's what he did. >> i know. >> so when you lose that trust both above and below, i don't know how you can credibly do your job anymore. >> joy, let me go back to my wheel house, that is this president's ethnic look at history. this president doesn't want to admit that his predecessor was barack obama. he wants to erase his face, his
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name, his origin, everything from the history books. he's proven it over and over again. it's not a joke to think that one of the chief reasons he wants to desecertify the irania nuclear deal is that it works, it is a success, just like obama is a success, like his whole life has been a success. he must be erased, just like obamacare, the first successful health care program we've had in this country since teddy roosevelt talked it up. so he must destroy his legacy. th is that the cardinal reason this president keeps going back to a deal is working, it's restraining nuclear problem so we don't have to contend with two at the same time. we can focus on north korea. why would he want a two-front war except out of weird weird bitterness toward the success of barack obama? >> and that his own -- >> am i right? i don't know. check me. >> i think you are. i think that we're constantly working through the psychology of donald j. trump.
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he didn't making decisions based on policy. he's making decisions based on psychology and his obsession with barack obama. his obsession with outdoing and surpassing barack obama. he's angry that barack obama had the respect of the world. so he's crashing through the world, ripping up agreements that obama had anything to do with. there is no objective reason for him to decertify the iran deal. no reason to do it other than barack obama's name is on it, he negotiated it, therefore it has to die. and there's a part of donald trump's base that feels the same way, that feels that his job is to erase the memory of barack obama. but the problem with this approach to foreign policy is that it's dangerous. is that it not only impacts iran and our relationships there but our relationships with our european allies who helped negotiate this deal and, as we've been discussing, our stance toward north korea which is looking at what we're doing with iran and asking ourself
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whether it makes sense to try to cut a deal or stand down from hostilities from the united states. it's incredibly dangerous. >> well said. everybody has a little vengeance in their heart. i'm just checking you with this. maybe i'm wrong. remember the white house press dinn dinner. >> oh yeah. >> and trump was made a fool of. >> obama gave it to him good. that motivated him to run. >> and i wonder whether this is bigger than the moron line. moron is fresher. but obama, his satire was much more brutal, i thought. >> and most of trump's policy is driven by domestic politics and by this president's own ego. and so she's right, anything that obama did that's considered a legacy accomplishment, he wants it gone. it's the same thing with the paris agreement, same thing this week with the power plant,
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repeal by the epa that we're not talking about because it can't break into the news cycle, the contraception rule that the administration is scrapping today. there's a lot of bluster i'm getting rid of this, this was a terrible deal, i'll make a better deal. often times his own advisers telling him to stay in the iran deal, these things matter, they've urged him to stay in this too and he's not listening to his own advisers on a lot of these things. but the bluster sometimes obscures the fact that it takes three years to unwind the paris agreement. on the iran deal it goes to congress. he's kicking it to congress and letting them decide what to do. >> could be bluster leading to more bluster. the president's reported decision seems to be at odds with two of his top national security advisers. secretary of state rex tillerson said he has a difference of
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opinion than the president. and here was james mattis just this week. >> do you believe it's in our national security interest at this time to remain in the jocpa? that's a yes or no question. >> yes, senator, i do. >> if we can confirm that iran is living by the agreement, if we can determine that this is in our best interest, then clearly we should stay with it. i believe at this point in time, absent indications to the contrary, it is something the president should consider staying with. >> nick, why would the president want to bring down the iranian deal. seems like he can't do it under the procedure at hand here. but he wants to. what is he thinking? i mean we've seen this with obamacare on the home front when they don't have anything to replace it with.
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and in this case everybody knows the only thing stopping the iranians is the fact that we've opened up trade with them again and they would rather have that than five more years in the coming years to developing a nuclear weapon. we get rid of that incentive, what's to stop them in. >> there's nothing to stop them. and frankly the people who negotiated this deal are aware that it is not the perfect deal that president trump has said he seeks. you know, iran creates a lot of trouble and is a threat to national security in many ways. they fund terrorism in the region where they are a threat to israel, they repress the rights of people within their country. the iran deal is not meant to fix those things. it is meant to restrain iran from getting a nuclear weapon and by every measure it has for the last two years succeeded. so the burden is on this administration to say if all of the experts say that iran is
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complying with the deal and our allies say please stay in the deal, why are we pulling out? the only explanation i can come up with, in addition to the ego issues that you've raised, is this is an administration that has a fundamentally different view of america's role in the world. and they believe in a zero sum game where if the rest of the world wants it must be bad for america. and that is misguided. american leadership is predicated on the idea that we go out, we lead in the world and we persuade others to tackle problems we can't fix on our own. i don't think this administration at the top believes that. >> he also said he was against stupid wars. and i think going to war with iran is not a good idea. what time is your show on tomorrow? >> 10:00 a.m. eastern. >> on this network right here. hold that dial. thank you. joy, you're the best in the business. >> thank you. >> well she will be if she isn't already. eli, thank you, and nick, thank you. must have been great working
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with samantha. take a look at the crowd steve bannon is pushing right now for public office. mr. ten commandments, roy moore of alabama, michael grim of staten island and kelly ward. she's a piece of work. she called john mick cain weak and old and said he should retire so she could have his seat in the senate. as the death toll climbs in puerto rico, there's no criticism that president trump hasn't a clue how to handle the disaster. remember this bombshell news that dropped just one year ago. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. i just start kissing them. like a mag not. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> when you're a star they let you do it. maybe he did actually. the access hollywood tape of donald trump was unearthed a year ago tomorrow.
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after leaving his job, steve bannon told the economist magazine that at the white house he had influence but at breitbart he has power. since roy moore's victory in alabama, bannon has been hand picking and candidates loyal to the breitbart land. this week he recruited michael gr grimm, the convicted felon from staten island, new york tweeting this photo. grimm joins an already growing list of disruptive candidates in bannon's brigade including kelly ward running against jeff flake in arizona. while in the arizona state legislature she tried to outlaw enforcement of gun laws. last year she called john mccain old and weak and this past july
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after senator mccain was diagnosed with brain cancer she called on him to step aside as quickly as possible and give her his senate seat. she said it outloud. i'm joined now. thank you gentlemen. i want to start with you. what a rose gallery this guy is putting together. >> it's the land of broken toys. you know, steve bannon said that he was going to be a killing machine. and he is. the thing he's killing is the republican party and conservatism. >> these guys can lose generals in red states like arizona, can't they in. >> you can't lose in a place like alabama. you could wind up loses races in arizona. but even if they win the seats, they're making this the party of roy moore, the party of michael grimm. you've got a guy who doesn't believe in the constitution. you got a guy threatening to throw reporters off of a balcony and this becomes -- maybe that's
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the slo the republicans will want to adopt now. but it creates a long term problem for them even if it doesn't cause a disaster in the near term. >> i don't know what to say. flake seems like an all right candidate. but maybe he's too thin. i don't know. but kelly ward, oh my god. >> flake's approval rating has been terrible. he's vulnerable. >> he came on this show attacking trump but on the book. the minute he said in that chair he wouldn't do it. he wouldn't do what's in the book. he wouldn't do his own book. i didn't think that was ballsy. that was a problem. >> clearly certain that a lot of people who vote in arizona aren't reading the book. flake is making an argument that the republican party is no longer conservative and steve bannon is trying to make sure it's not establishment conservative. he has declared war on the establishment of the republican party, on the establishment of the country and he wants to destroy what exists. if that means he needs to
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support a felon like michael grimm, the former congress, he'll do that, if it's kelly ward who has attacked john mccain, he'll do that and if it's roy moore who was just up in washington and apparently didn't really have a plan for what he wants to do when he gets there. >> any shutout is good enough for him. anybody who has been excluded. >> absolutely. >> that's a debate. not the end of the world. a debate. but that's what he's known for. this kelly ward is known for being an awful person and the other guy is known for being a felon, a tax cheat who wants to write tax law. how do you get that guy in the congress? even staten island is a rough area but it's not that tough. >> it's not reiikers island. >> what's the point? >> the point is you have to have the most pure guy in the room. >> pure what? >> a pure nationalist.
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>> tax chiefs are they conservatives? >> steve bannon thought he could create a populous nationalist movement, these guys would come over from the left, the blue collar union guys. it hasn't happened. it's been a small group. instead he's becoming a more pure circle with exotic candidates. >> could this bring down the republican leadership, this rock and roll effort to bring down these particular seats? i'm looking at mcconnell, mitch mcconnell seems to have no support in the world. it's wobbly to the point it's going to fall. it reminds me of the british party. teresa may is falling. >> you saw these guys come in in 2010. john boehner fell after that, had to leave the congress. paul ryan has had his struggles. and mitch mcconnell has an incredibly low approval rating as well. i don't know that there's an
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imminent threat to mitch mcconnell but his ability to get things done in the senate is totally compromised by roy moore coming? >> mcconnell is very unpopular nationally but where he has a lot of popularity is among the 51 republicans in the senate. there's no threat to him right now. ted cruz is not going to be the senate majority leader. but what it does it denies mcconnell the votes to get anything passed. moore in effect of governing in washington and more dysfunction. >> well one thing you notice is that the latest polling shows the democrats are within the margin nationally to win the congress next time. you never know how it's going to translate, how it's going to crosswalk to actual seats but they've got a margin of double digit. they can do it. and the question is will this make it easy are for the democrats to win. this coming apart of the republican party. >> you have to look at it race by race and i think we're going to have to look a lot closer to
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the election to see where these unconventional candidates whereby where have they won the primaries or lost the primaries. one of the things that we've learned over time is in a lot of the districts it doesn't matter. the r&d matters more thafr the flavor. >> and the democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. that will be working against them and the deck is stacked against them in the house because of gerrymandering and in the senate because of the -- >> i think the democratic party the moving left. we know that for better or worse we don't know. but it seems to be moving reasonably left. it seems to be moving over slowly. the republican party seems to be creeky and getting into real trouble. thank you. you're very sirius tonight. up next, president trump continues to praise his administration's response. he's praising his administration's response to the devastation in puerto rico. our next guest says that trump has no idea what he's doing out there and that his handling of the situation should worry every
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hi, i'm here in the msnbc newsroom. the body of a fourth u.s. soldier has been recovered according to the pentagon. the special forces were on a routine patrol when they were ambushed on wednesday. and then watch this. the world's largest passenger airline having a rough landing here in germany. the emirates pilot was able to
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safely land that plane. new orleans is under mandatory evacuations for another possible hurricane. tropical storm nate could gain strength before hitting the gulf coast. for now back to "hardball." we are also praying for the people of puerto rico. we love puerto rico. >> we love you! >> and we also love puerto rico. and we're marshaling every federal resource at our disposal. >> welcome back. that was president trump of course today once again praising. federal response to the dave station in puerto rico. his comments come as puerto rico's governor announced the storm related death toll out there has risen to 36. 90% of the island is still without power and just about half of the island has not got
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drinking water. vice president pence traveled to the island today to survey the damage. the president made his own trip to puerto rico on tuesday including a stop where he strangely tossed rolls of paper towels into the crowd. >> it was a great trip and a beautiful place. every death is a horror. but if you look at a real catastrophe like katrina and you look at the tremendous, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died -- what is your death count as of this moment? 16 people. 16 people versus in the thousands. you can be very proud. now i hate to tell you, puerto rico, but you've thrown our budget a little out of whack because we've spent a lot of money on puerto rico and that's find. we've saved a lot of lives. >> for more i'm joined with the former director at usaid.
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you know, these numbers being brought out there, 15,000 u.s. personnel from the federal government and yet vi the sense it's incoherent. there's in hierarchy, no general patton leading the assault, coordinating everything in terms of water, electric emergencnerg. who is the boss? is there a person? >> the governor of the state will be leading in support. >> who's the boss? the governor? >> if you listen to fema talk they will say we're working with the governor, we're supporting the governor's request. the challenge in this environment of course is puerto rico's emergency management capacities were badly damaged by the storm. and so fema is having to do a lot more of the heavy lifting on their own. and one of the most challenging things when you're in federal
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government is doing something that your agency wasn't built to do. that's where the role of the president is important in ensuring that all of the tools that are needed for a big response come in. >> and if you had a real can do president running the united states government, would they go down there and pick someone to run the show from a war room in a modern way like you fight a war or a way you run an investigation in the russian investigation? that seems coordinated. this doesn't. >> one of the concerns is when you have this big of a response, this many parts of the federal government pulling together, you need higher level political attention to coordinate the different pieces. i sympathize with thee fema administrator. that's tough to do. >> i admit this is outside and it's horrible. i'm not looking for blame but it bugs me that we can't get the job done. i remember haley barber in
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mississippi, the people rebuild fast along the coastline. i look at jeb bush in florida with andrew. that seemed to get done. he was reelected for that. people liked it. this seems more like louisiana, seems more like katrina and they bumped their governor there. >> yeah. this is a certainly the toughest domestic response since katrina. i point to a couple of things. first, it is a very difficult response from a technical response. it's a tough response. but it's nothing that we haven't faced somewhere in the world before. >> let's start with water. water comes in bottles. why have they had such a hard time getting them to the rural areas? are the roads cut off by the trees falling down or the drivers don't show up to work? what's going on. why isn't the water getting delivered? >> sure. the overland road blockages have been a problem but what's big to me is why they didn't go bigger on air lift much sooner. in the haiti response in 2010 after the earthquake or the
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philippines typhoon, we didn't wait for the roads to be cleared before we could get to the affected areas. we brought in loads and loads of helicopters, 66 d.o.d. helicopter to the philippines, 300 d.o.d. helicopters to haiti in 2010 and went over the roads. and they're starting to do that now. they've gotten more helicopters in but it's been very slow in coming. >> what about electricity in. >> electricity is going to be very tough. >> why is that hard? what was blown apart? the generators? is it hydraulic or gasoline? diesel? what's powering the electricity there. >> it's a matter of the transmission lines as much as anything. the get the electrical grid up and running will entail rebuilding the electrical grid. what is needed is generators. some have those, a lot of the hospitals have those but they've been running into the logistics hurdles with getting the fuel to them because of the road blockages. again as they've gotten more
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helicopters in, that is starting to get better. >> do you wish you were running the thing? doesn't it get to you that it isn't working right and you're a pro at this? >> there's also a twinge when something -- >> you want to be on the job, right? >> the men and women of fema are very very capable. i think the challenge is -- the question in my mind, have they had access to the full scale of tools that they need -- >> should trump be more on this? >> absolutely. >> thank you, jeremy. it's been one year since the access hollywood tape. remember that baby. was released. billy bush got in trouble for this, not the president. and the chaos hasn't let up. we'll get to the hardball round table. why did that scene start endless trouble in this country. even your toaster is thinking. honey, clive owen's in our kitchen. i'm leaving. oh nevermind, he's leaving. but what if a business could turn all that thinking... thinking... endless thinking
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2016, a slow friday afternoon turned into one of the biggest news days of the 2016 election when the washington post published the now infamous access hollywood video of president trump. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. i just start kissing them. like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> we got the drift. let's bring in tonight's hardball round table. libby, you're a woman. >> i am. thank you. >> the only one at the table right now so we've got to go to you first. why didn't women just say this guy is a pig? >> i think there was an instant recoil. but i remember talking to suburban philadelphia voters a few days after this, after the debate, this was friday, there was a sunday night debate.
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now president trump got through the debate and they had normalized it in their minds. i thought this would be a game changer. >> tell me what that word means. >> his team said it was locker room talk, said this isn't a sunday schoolteacher. i remember a question in the debate he pivoted from isis coming out of a question about the tape. and when i talk to these voters, these are catholic white, well to do suburban voters, you know these people and they say i care about the supreme court, i'm a catholic voter and i hate hillary clinton. there was so much other news that weekend, that muddled the story. >> when i heard that reince priebus called him up saying you've got to get out of the race -- he's an old style politician. >> a decent man. >> get out of the race. you're an awful person shouldn't be running for president. >> this is what i experienced with the ohio voters that i talked to at the time. there's offensive women at a club. and women listen to music that
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sometimes say bad things about women. how can you dance to this. he's not talking about me. he's talking about the kind of women that throw themselves at donald trump. that's not me. he's not talking about women like me. >> brilliantly discriminatory. in other words i can vote for this guy. >> exactly. >> the people who did vote for him, again a minority of the population wanted to vote for him. they knew that he was a jerk, his massageny was also well known, the fact that he screwed contractors -- >> how about the bills -- >> not loyal to the truth. >> why did they -- >> because they thought he was echoing the reesentment and anger. sometimes they want to say things that are unacceptable. he got away with it. there was a lot of that. and so these will people that want to vote for him. when this happens they spend a few days recoiling. but it happened again and again throughout the campaign.
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every time he did something that seemed to be unacceptable, his numbers dropped but within three, four, five days, the republican voters started coming back to him. >> we lived through watergate and we realized the thing that nobody like to admit, it had no impact on the election. the cbs team was all over it that year and nobody cared. they didn't think he was the right guy, too far left. nixon was fine. they went to russia and china. and they ignored it. the same day this news broke, it wasn't the only news. around 3:30 that day the u.s. intelligence committee announced that they were confident that the russian government directed the recent compromise of e-mails from persons including the u.s. political organizations. they knew it then. that access hollywood tape was released at 4:00. at 4:30 wikileaks leaked john
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podesta's e-mails went out. all of that stuff that had the historic information in it didn't have much of an impact either. >> my colleagues called that russian interference the crime of the century and it just got buried. >> but the people heard it. why didn't they care? >> because that tape was so electric and so shocking in its nature that that is what people took away. those same philadelphia voters, when they heard this podesta leaks hillary, what they took away from that was hillary clinton e-mails. they weren't listening. >> another reference to hillary's e-mails. >> that's all that mat ters. >> the amazing thing is those three stories, the president admitting to be a criminal. >> because of what he said. >> because of what he said, grabbing women by their private parts. and a russian foreign adversary for the first time the government saying they're
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messing with our election and what was the impact, the podesta e-mai e-mails, 60,000 of them. not one of them was scandalous. nothing about breaking the law -- >> catholic stuff in there. >> one or two people not connected to the campaign saying things. so that at the end of the day, because of this connection, it reinforced the idea of hillary clinton and e-mails being shifty, that had the impact. >> everything you say is what i heard from my brother. when he went out to vote for hilla hillary, he called me at 8:30 that morning saying i've never seen so many people with walkers at the voting. older people had gotten up in their old age, all pro-life catholi catholics. and that thing he said to me that women must be punished for abortion, that probably helped him with these people. it sent the message. >> athink in a lot of respects -- >> so bizarre. >> for your average voter as
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we well, it was offsetting penalties. if you hated trump, this is the evidence that you yelled at your brother and cousin. if you hated hillary, here we go more e-mails. it was all trending toward hillary clinton until the comey letter and that weekend ended up being a wash. >> the comey letter was important because it came after four weeks of hillary clinton e-mail. e-mail -- and you talked to the po pollsters and they did the focus groups, independent voters in swing states thought that all of this podesta e-mail stuff, rather than clinton being the victim was about her e-mail serve er controversy. >> watergate didn't happen during the campaign. it all came in after as aftermath of what happened. a fallout was much more dangerous than anything that happened in the campaign and we don't know whether mueller's case when he presented it with that briefcase, if that's heavier than anything that happened in the campaign.
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but the fbi has decided that that the knew most dangerous terrorist group are black identity extremists, a group of african-americans prone to violence due to police brutality. they say they're the largest group is in california, giving the doj an opportunity to engage in anti-terrorism behavior. >> do they exist? >> no, they don't. >> i had to ask. >> you know this, two days ago, richard burr, senator of the head of intelligence committee came out and say the russian facebook ads, we can't tell who they were supporting, they were indiscriminate. i did an interview with senator ron wyden who presumably has seen some of the russian facebook ads saying burr is wrong. they did show favoritism for one candidate and that's why he said the ads need to be released. >> why is burr covering for trump?
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trump watch friday, october 6th, 2017. you could call donald trump a bull in a china shop but that doesn't quite get it because wherever he goes, there's confusion and chaos. so this president is a bull who brings his china shop wherever he happens to be headed that day and this is the week we cannot
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forget that began with horror, the shooting out in vegas and yet everything seems to be suspended in time right now, las vegas, hurricane harvey, the devastation in puerto rico and in front of it all is the president performing, throwing rolls 0 paper towels in the air as if the people of the island needed some little circus performed by the president to excite them. then it was off to las vegas, the president once again in the midst of a china shop. this time the secretary of state calling him amoron. then on top of the buffoonery, the president declares he's desecertifying the iranian nuclr deal, like he has a better way presumably. watching the trump circus this
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week we've been distracted again and again from the carriage on the vegas strip but not distracted enough to relieve the real life tragedy of it all. that's hardball right now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in -- >> when you aalt-right, defined alt-right? >> the movement of the alt-right. >> these are people who have not been heard for years and now they've been heard. >> block busting reporting on the man who ran trump's campaign. and then more fallout from the moron report. >> let me tell you what i've learned about this president. >> as the rex tillerson watch continues. plus, the smoke shking gun on president trump's personal sabotage of obamacare. and my conversation with lynn manuel miranda on


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