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hard this turned out to be. >> my emmy nominated colleague lawrence o'donnell will be back the # 1st hour starts now. >> tonight calm before the storm. was it a tool of distraction or a dire warning? a day after those presidential comments, he's still not saying, leaving the question tonight does anyone know what trump's talking about? plus, an update on the russia front. what could robert mueller's team want to know about that infamous dossier and with whom else is it's author willing to meet? and a live update from las vegas
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five days after a gunman killed 58 people police are still searching for what led him to commit the massacrement the 11th hour begins now. good evening once again from our nbc news borrow in los angeles. i'm ali velshi. brian has the night off. day 260 of the trump administration brings us two new comments from the white house about a cryptic and potentially alarming statement that the president made. but it brings us no closer to an answer as to what he was talking about. here is how it started of the last night the president met with members of the military and their families and standing next to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff he said this. >> you guys know what this represents? it's the call before the storm. >> what's the storm? >> it could be the calm before the storm. >> what storm, mr. president? >> we have the world's great military people, i will tell you
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that. and we're going to have a great evening. thank you all for coming, by the way. thank you. >> what storm, mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> give us a hint -- >> thank you, everybody. thank you. >> reporters asked the president today what that storm might be, and with a wink for someone in the room, he kept the mystery going. >> thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> what did you mean by calm before the storm? >> thank you very much. you'll find out. >> then within the hour reporters had a chance to ask the white house press secretary too. here is how sarah huckabee sanders answered those questions. >> can you clarify the president's comments? was he referring to military action when he said calm before the storm? >> as we've said many times before, i know the president has, as i have from this podium on quite a few occasions, we're never going to say in advance what the president's going to do.
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and as he said last night, in addition to those comments, you'll have to wait and see. >> but how seriously should the american public or american adversaries for that matter take these comments? is this a joke? was it serious? >> i think you can take the president protecting the american people always extremely serious. he's been very clear that that's his number one priority, and if he feels that action is necessary, he'll take it. >> you said the president wants to preserve an element of surprise, why would he dangle hints about his actions in the first place? >> i don't believe he did. >> all right. today's press briefing also touched on a question that hassling erred in the news this week amid nbc news reporting about the escalating tension between the president and secretary of state rex tillerson. sources said tillerson called trump a moron, and after a running theme has emerged in this white house with employees either resigning or getting fired on fridays, american urban radio networks reporter april ryan asked the very question
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that many in the room had on their minds. >> and today is friday. could we expect a resignation today? >> i don't think so, april. david. >> we also have a new gut check on how the country views our president. a new "associated press" poll found 32% of people approve of the way trump is handing his job. 67% disapprove. and then there's this. just 24% of people think the country is headed in the right direction. that number has dropped 10 points since june. our lead-off panel tonight. white house bureau chief for the "washington post" philip rucker and chair of the journalism ethics at the pointer institute and curtis lee national reporter for the los angeles times. welcome to all of you. philip, let me start with you. does sarah huckabee sanders know what the president was talking about when he said this is the calm before the storm?
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does anybody likely know what the president was talking about? >> well, nobody that i've talked to today knows what the president was talking about, but i think the president was trying to kpukt two things with those remarks yesterday. number unwith, that he has the power to create a storm if he so chooses as the commander in chief. he liegs to remind people of his powers. and number two, we have to remember that he's a reality show producer. this is what he did for many years with great success at the apprentice. he likes to keep people guessing. he wants you to tune in tomorrow for the next episode and he doesn't want you to change the channel. i think he might be kind of playing this out a little bit for that effect. now, we could all be surprised this weekend. there could be some sort of military action. i don't know. certainly, you know, things are tense in a number of areas in the world, but there's no indication at this hour that something imminent is plapd. >> he is the master of the tease, but what some of the reporters in that room wanted to
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know is is there going to be a friday night resignation, most people assumed she was asking about rex tillerson. >> well, i think that's certainly who she was asking about, but i think there are a lot of people who are wondering that the only resignation that is going to help them rest would be donald trump resigning, and that obviously is not happening i imminently or anytime we know of. it goes back to what bob corker, the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee said which is that he was hoping and praying essentially that rex tillerson was not going to be forced out or resign because he said essentially earlier this week this is one of only three grownups in the room along with general mattis and basically mcmaster, who he said are keeping this country, john kelly, rather, the chief of staff in the white house, who are between this country and chaos. and i thought it was really interesting that the white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders took the time to say no actually it's the president
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keeping this country in chaos. obviously those remarks obviously are bothered donald trump. >> let's play this for our viewers so they can hear this exchange. let's watch. >> i'd like to ask you about senator corker and some of the comments he said earlier this week. he said basically that's what's keeping the country separated from chaos and he said that there are other people in the white house that are, you know, putting forth policies in a coheernt fashion. do you have any response to senator corkers statement? >> look, guys, i think that the president is the one that's keeping the world from chaos. he has an incredible team around him that's helping him lead that effort. >> court i didn't say, i was in las vegas earlier this week when the president landed there and most of us were expecting to see general kelly, his chief of staff with him. it turns out that this whole tillerson situation had caused general kelly to stay back and try and manage that.
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rex tillerson came out and made a statement. didn't entirely deny nbc's reporting that he had called the president a moron, but did say that he hadn't considered resigning. but now there's reporting tonight that even general kelly continues to mull the idea of resigning. >> that's interesting, because i mean, general kelly has just been in his position fr a couple months of the and i remember, you know, the night that he -- the night that anthony scaramucci was let go. that was kind of the day that general kelly, it was his first day there. >> he asserted himself there. >> well, will trump -- is he going to tone it down, is he going to listen to a general. will he stop tweeting. that was a big question. and we see months later, weeks later that president trump is going to be president trump. we saw that during the charlottesville back and forth and him saying that both sides were to blame. we've seen his comments about kim jong-un, calling him little rocket man and using social media. his protests against african-american players in the nfl who are kneeling. and we're really seeing that general kelly, i mean, he can
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kind of manage the staff, but at the end of the day, the president is going to be the approximated. he's going to do what he wants to do, and i think we've seep that ever since general kelly has stepped into his position. >> phil, let's talk about this poll, this ap poll. i want to talk about this 24%. only 24% of respondent's say that the country is moving in the right direction. what do you make of in? >> it's an incredibly low number. and it's so striking because some of the economic caters are quite strong, with the -- >> the stock market set another record. >> that's right. >> unemployment is low, stock market is high. >> that's right. and it has been throughout the year. it also was, you know, at the end of the obama term, the economy was really improving. so clearly things are on the upside out in the country and people don't feel good about the direction of the country. now, that's partly because of the issue with wages, that wages are just not going up and keeping pace. but the other issue is there's judge u.s. so much chaos and
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uncertainty and instability in turmoil in washington, in the government. the republicans have control of both houses of congress, as well as the white house and yet have not been able to pass any significant legislative achievement here. and i think a lot of people feel anxious about that. and, you know accident when we travel out in the country and interview voters they feel apg shus about it and, you know, we'll see what time will tell, but that is not a good number for president trump or for the republican party as they look to the midterms of 2018. >> so there's an interesting development here. axios is reporting that president trump has reached out to senator chuck schumer to talk about health care, of all thingsment so when things start to look chaotic at the white house, the president can often surprise us. i cannot imagine what that conversation was, and no one, while we've been able to get reporters who have told us that they've heard this has gone through the grapevine that this conversation has happened, no one seems to know what the content of the conversation would be. what could president trump possibly be trying to get from
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chuck schumer on the matter of obamacare? there couldn't be two men more on opposite sides more than these two are on this issue. >> and of course, this is happening the very same day that the president has removed that requirement that obamacare, you know, insurers provide contraception as part of the package. i mean, look, the speculation is that he's reached out to chuck schumer in an effort to try to, once again, try to repeal and replace obamacare, an effort that, you know, has already -- a lot of effort that be put into it by the republicans and by trump himself and it hasn't gotten anywhere. i think donald trump saw that the one bump he got recently was from this deal he made with chuck and nancy, which was the deal on the government debt limit and also on immigrants on d.r.e.a.m.ers. and i think he's trying to get a little wind out of that. now, you know, it was very important that you said that only 24% of americans this this latest ap poll think that we're on the right track because this
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was also the first time where we see the number of republicans who say they think he's doing things on the right track fell below a majority. so maybe he's just trying to grasp for popularity wherever he can get it at this point. reaching across the aisle worked for him last time. >> what do you make of these numbers? because they're low even by the standards we've become accustomed to. >> absolutely. the poll in june showed that basically republicans were on board with the president. and we've seen a 15% drop essentially with republican support for how the president is doing. with all the things that president trump does out there, with charlottesville or nfl mayors, everyone says well, how will this exact his base? and it's sheg in these months his base is employing down. in that poll it's interesting to see that 60% of americans felt like they didn't believe that the president was doing well with race relations. and that's been at the foreof a lot of peoples minds these last few months. last week we saw the president
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going after puerto ricans, the mayor of san juan over twitter. it's really interesting to see the different views. but i think the key part of that poll is the republican support that's starting to drop. >> and phil, do you think this decision today by the president to roll back the requirement that insurance policies and employers cover extra sepgs for women at no additional cost with no co-pays, do you think that's a play to the base? >> it's a play to part of his base. it's a play to the social conservative, the evangelicals which are part of -- a natural part of the republican party base. they're not necessarily the people we think of as trump voters. but certainly, you know, this issue of religious liberty is something that the president has spoken up about at various points of his presidency. it's something we know that vice president mike pence cares intensely about. i'm want surprised to see this change happen and clearly it's something that he's trying to do for the republican party for those religious conservatives sploo all right.
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we're going to get into that a little more later in the show. thank you. coming up, the latest on the russia investigation and news on the author of that salacious dossier. the 11th hour continues after this.
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as it relates to the steele
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dossier, unfortunately the committee has hit a wall. >> that was the story from the senate intelligence committee on wednesday. chairman richard burr was talking about that salacious donald trump dossier that surfaced after the election allege lg the trump campaign had colluded with russia. and the man burr is talking about is the author of that report, a former british intelligence officer named christopher steele. nbc news now reports one source close to steele said that in late september steele relayed to washington through an associate that steele in fact would be happy to meet with burr and senator mark warner of virginia. the committee's rapging democrat. phil rucker is back with her. and joining the is conversation cory core der row who is now at georgetown law. welcome to both of you. kerry, let me start with you, what's your interpretation of this?
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>> well, it was a little bit unusual for senator burr to be so public about the interest he had and maybe the difficulty that the committee has had in getting to mr. steele, so he obviously was very publicly letting mr. steele know that they still want to talk to him. and probably they've been in some kind of negotiation regarding him coming on board and being able to speak to the committee. what i would think is that mr. steele, from his perspective, he's got to be most concerned about the protection of his sources. so whether it trurns out that te information in his report turns out to be true or not and some of it is true and other parts are not, the verification of how he obtained his information is what's going to be of interest to investigators. and he, on the other hand, is going to want to protect the sources of information that he relied upon. and so i would think that that would be at least one of the big sticking points between the information that the committee
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might want to solicit from him and what he is willing to provide. >> and again, just to distinguish, is there a difference? if you are michael steele and you are concerned about your sources, is there a difference between talking to bob mueller and team versus talking to the senate intelligence committee? >> sink there is, because we have to remember the investigation into the russian interference in the election did not begin with the special counsel's office. it started as an fbi investigation, i would presume, and so what happened is those investigators who were working on that investigation got rolled under the supervision of the special counsel. so if mr. steele is a former intelligence officer he would have been used to working with other foreign intelligence services like fbi agents and so he would understand sort of the parameters of the secrecy by which that interview would take place.
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he would have less experience. obviously there would have been no reason in the past for him to be working with and talking to congressional investigators, and so i think he would probably be more cautious, particularly because they're deliverable is a report to the public. >> and it's christopher steele, by the way. i misspoke his name. phil, let's talk about where this fits into the whole investigationment when this report came out, it was a shock to everyone. >> yeah. >> then it was determined that some of it was hard to confirm. i want to refer back to the written statement that former fbi director gym comey gave to the senate intelligence committee before he testified before that committee in june. in it he referred to a phone call that he had with the president in march, writing he said he had nothing to do with russia. he had not been involved with hookers in russia and had always assumed that he was being recorded when in russia. he asked what we could do to lift the cloud. where does this dossier that
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clearly gets under the president's skin stand in this investigation as far as you can tell? >> well, first of all, you're right about it getting under the president's skin. when the dossier first became public a couple weeks before the inauguration, trump went really ballistic, franklyment i was at trump to you for that news conference and he was lashing out at the news media for printing any of the salacious details and denying pretty much all of them absolutely. the way the dossier fits into the broader russia investigation is that it allegedly shows some sort of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. the problem is that a lot of elements of the dossier have not been confirmed publicly. it's not clear whether they're true or not, and i think this is one of the reasons why the congressional -- the senate investigators would very much like to speak to steele to try to get to the bottom of this, to try to understand his sources and his methods to determine what here may be view and what may be verifiable and what sort
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of steps it could show to help them get to the bottom of the truth in the investigation overall. >> in the fairness to the president there are a lot of people who say that everything about russia gets under his skin and he should be more forth come about a lot of it. but the stuff in this dossier would get under anybody's skin regardless of who it was wrip about. >> that's right. i mean, these were salacious details. it was a lot of sort of sexual activity in russia that was alleged, and i think it really bothered him personally. >> carrey, there was also a nine month status report from the senate intelligence committee, and if you hadn't heard it or read it and you just read media reports on it, depending on what sources you use for your news, you would either say that they've come up with nothing of value on the russia investigation or they feel that they've got and, but they don't want to talk about it until they've been able to confirm everything. what do you read into this report? >> well, i think the chairman and the vice chair had a few
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different reasons for having their press conference the other day. first, they are really trying to demonstrate to the public that they are conducting a bipartisan, serious investigation. and so sink they feel that by having the press conference itself, which the intelligence committees p usually do their business behind closed doors, is in and of itself a significant step by demonstrating how many hearings they've had, how much staff they have devoted to it, how many pages they've read, witnesses they've sper viewed. they're trying to show that they're doing the peoples business, i think. and i think they've largely succeeded in conveying that message. they also, i think, revealed that they really are focused on the interference in the election, whether or not there was cooperation or collusion with the trump campaign itself, and how the country needs to think about future elections and whether or not future elections are secured, whether or not the country understands the
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influence that the russians tried to have, both in 2016 and in future elections. and so they are gearing their investigation and their report on those specific issues. >> and, phil, while the president continues to maintain there was no collusion, the easier part for the president would be to acknowledge what so many have acknowledged and that there was daily we get more evidence of interference in the laengz or at least attempts to do so. we still haven't got clarity from the president or from the administration as to whether they are starting to come around on that conclusion and are prepared to do something about it. in fact, the president's only activity as it relates to elections is this voter fraud commission. >> that's right. and, you know, it's the entire intelligence community actually that's concluded that this interference did happen by russia to influence the election. and the president in his tweets and his language, he likes to call the entire russia issue a hoax and fake news, and he mud
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did i see the line. there's two very zirnt things here. we're talking on the one hand the interference which is widely acknowledge by the intelligence community and which the president has not directly acknowledged, although in a few instances he has sort of come to acknowledge it. and then there's the collusion piece. that's the piece that's a big question mark at this point. and that's what the president is so upset about. >> that part continues to remain a question mark. thanks to both of you. coming up, a live report from las vegas where investigators are learning new information about the gunman in that massacre, but they're still searching for a motive. stay with us.
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nearly five full days after the deadliest mass shooting in modern american history the investigation continues into what led stephen paddock to execute this massacre. police say after digging into his life and any potential radicalization they are still searching for a clear moefb. they say they are confident there was not another shooter in the room but continue to investigate whether anyone had knowledge of his intentions. ron, what's the update?
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>> reporter: well, ali, i think that's the bottom line. they just don't have a motive. they can't figure this out. they said they've tracked down a thousand leads or so, and they can't -- they don't know why he did it. and at the press conference i think the officers are being sincere. remember, they're a part of this community. there was a las vegas pd officer who was killed. there are first responders who were wounded. and i don't think they're hiding anything. i sense some anguish, some frustration because i think they want to tell this community interest, although, of course, when they do tell this community why they think he did it it's not going to mack my sense any way because what's sensible about opening fire on a crowd of some 20,000 people. and, again, it's 20,000 people plus fist responders. so there are huge ripple effects out into this community. we're out here at a memorial. this is the head of the strip, the south of the strip. and we're staying away from it because there are literally hundreds of people back there
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who are in mourning. it's in prayer, in tears. there's a lot of emotion, a lot of grief. and that's continuing here. and the bottom line, though, investigators are trying to reach out to people who think may have seen something but don't realize the significance of it that will put in place how paddock did this. the why is just a big -- there is no political motive. there was no note left, no manifesto, no -- there was no explanation to a friend. they traced his phone records, his computer records. and in most of these cases there's a clue, there's some reason, there's some sense. >> yeah. >> even in a senseless situation. >> and the fbi said today that it's going to put up billboards, soliciting information from people. i mean, i was there for most of the week in las vegas and every time i got into a taxi -- look, it's the conversation aeverybody is having in las vegas, but the absence of motive is disheartening to people. it's confusing to people because
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they need to know that there was a reason, and that is the difficulty. we're not finding a reason. nobody wants to think that somebody opened fire on 22,000 people just because. >> reporter: it may just be that, though gs ali to be honest with you. it may be that this guy -- remember, he was a wealthy guy, millionaire, had money, means, power that comes with all of that. he was pretty much seemed to be operating in his own world. the police have described it as a secret world that he lived in. and again, because with money you can construct that around yourself. and it may have just been impenetrable. this whole idea of putting up billboards, too, i didn't get a chance to ask, is there a social media campaign of some sort that you're going after to reach people? that's the age that we live in. you know, billboards, i see them here. i'm not quite sure how -- what that will do when already we're -- the last five days, you know, you can't turn away from a tv or a computer screen to not see
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something about this. >> yeah. if you had information, you'd -- >> the billboard thing speaks to the -- right. but i think it just speaks to the level of frustration, how they're at their wit's end. and again, ig that's sincere. they've been very transparent about it. i don't think we think they're hiding some secret plot. and, again, i think again, they are part of this community that's really, you know, somebody to me the cabdriver on the way up here said vegas is a place where people come to have a good time and that's why what happened here is all the more tragic and profoundly disturbing, because that's just not the kind of thing that happens here or anywhere, for that matter, but especially not in a place like this. >> ron, thank you for your reporting. ron allen for us in las vegas. coming up, new reporting entonight on the advice dpin to president trump as he we want to a grieving las vegas one day after his trip to hurricane ravaged puerto rico when the 11th hour continues. my "business" was going nowhere... so i built this kickin' new website with godaddy. building a website in under an hour is easy! 68% of people...
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attempted to comfort american victims of two very different disasters with mixed results. the president made a trip to hurricane ravaged puerto rico on tuesday where he told some residents to, quote, have fun. and tossed rolls of paper towels. look at here, into a crowd in san juan. a day later the president struck a more somber tone while meeting with victims and first responders in las vegas and that was apparently due to his staff. the ap's jonathan la mere report as the death toll from the shooting in las vegas rapidly rose, white house officials urged president trump to show restraint in his response. no speculative tweets, please. no over the top bluster. let me bring in our panel. new york times national reporter, politico chief washington correspondent and daily beast contributing writer jemele smith. thank you so all of you for being here. >> hi. >> jemele, let me start with you on the president's visit to las
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vegas. it did have a very different tone than puerto rico. puerto rico was a moment standoffish and that was following a week of tweet storms and insults to the mayor of san juan. what happened? >> i think in las vegas he had different narratives to push than he had in puerto rico. certainly in las vegas he had, you know, 58 people killed, but he also had the narrative to push of law and order, praising the police officers for their, you know, for their response, rightfully so. but it fits more with his ooetos. it fits more with the message that he's always been trying to push that cops are pretty much infallible and also that, you know, these tragedies can be, you know, moelts of where they can shine. not necessarily moments of healing, but they're moments where we should be praising our law enforcement, our police. also, in las vegas he had a moment to sort of, you know, hype the second amendment. he didn't mention guns at all in
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his regrets about what happened, but he certainly, you know, reaffirmed his support for the second amendment. in puerto rico, though, there was a different narrative. you had revenge on the mind of president. you had him wanting to go after this democratic mayor, a woman of color who intends to go after more than anybody else and you had him essentially after her or wanting to, you know, make sure that he was showing her up and saying that, you know, i want to make sure that you understand i'm the president, i have the power and that, you know, you shouldn't be trying to push me to do my job better. you should just be, you know, making sure to heap praise upon me because that all that seems to matter to the president. >> we have expectations of what a president does in times of challenge when the country is in need of comfort, and in fairness, presidents, the last several presidents, have all done it a little bit differently. this one just does it a lot differently. >> what struck me on that when i was reading the report from the
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ap was this idea that the white house aides were very excited at the fact that the president after the shooting in las vegas was taking it very personally, was talking about his properties. he was talking about his friends, and in that regard they saw someone actually connecting with the people and connecting with victims and putting himself essentially this their shoes. then you go to puerto rico and what i think you see there is both a president really wanting to assert himself as jemele said, want gs to show his power and show up this person who he sees as threatening. but i think he also seize this far off island and in statements he was saying that, you know, puerto rico is so far that we have to figure out how to get there and i haven't seen the destruction yet. so essentially he was saying we're not there. i haven't gotten close enough to really assess what's going on there. and of course, we know that he was at a golf course tweeting and was in some ways in the first four days of the storm after hurricane maria hit he was not focused on what was going on
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in puerto rico. i think some of this is a personal connection he has to make. if someone in las vegas, a democratic mayor or a democratic council person had come out and started screaming at donald trump that this is your fault, we might have seen a completely different donald trump. so i think that the atmosphere was dfrpt sbloo and not many days. i mean, this was a very fast response where the president said he was going to las vegas. with puerto rico was many many days later. let me ask, guys, i'm just going to anticipate the tweets that i'm go to get on this. does it matter? we spend a lot of time critiquing how presidents respond to these things. in the end, in donald trump's case specifically especially in light of the new approval ratings that we saw this evening, does his response or lack of appropriate response in puerto rico matter? >> well, all of these things fit into the larger picture of a president. obama was called the consoler in chief at first because he was
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giving all those soaring speeches at funerals. that became part of how he was seen. for trump this fits into it as well. so it does build the picture of him. i'm not sure that we're seeing thinking this past week that radically alters how we think of the president. in fact, it reinforces some of them. he did not go to puerto rico very quickly as you point out of the he did go to las vegas very quickly. obviously different situations in those two. but also the kind of thing that he was doing. in puerto rico he seemed as he always is, very aware of the way that it would play on tv, very concerned with that and doing things that looked to him like the way that it should be on tv. throwing the paper towels into the crowd and saying, you know, have fun. also, of course, there was that interview with her alexander oh because where that the white
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house had to cleanup afterwards pause that's want something that is obviously very easy to do and that the saying it would be done just because he was -- it seemed like in that moment wanting to say like, yeah, everything is going to be taken care of and not grappling with the complications of it is different from, okay, well, what do you do with those billions of dollars that need to be discussed. >> it's a $78 billion privately held debt. earlier today that day he told the puerto rico people the negative effect they're having on the federal budget. all three of you stay with pe, please, the white house announcement today with complications for women across america. we'll discuss it when the 11th hour comes right back after this. finally, listening to my wife, i went to a doctor and then i became diagnosed with hodgkin's lymphoma. that diagnosis was tough. i'm a concrete mason. i own my own company. i went from being a guy that could pick up anything i wanted, to having to ask for help.
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the trump administration issued new rules allowing employers and insurers to choose
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not to cover contraceptives due to religious or moral beliefs. "the new york times" report under new regulations hundreds of thousands of women could lose birth control benefits they now sooe at no cost under the affordable care act. the decision was immediately criticized by democrats and groups like planned parenthood and the american civil libts union. i seal richards said, quote, this is an unacceptable attack on basic health care that the vast majority of women rely on. with this rule in place any employer could decide that their employees no longer have health insurance coverage for birth control. white house prosecutes sarah huckabee sanders defended the move. >> what would you say maybe to the women out there or to the families out there who now have to pay more out of their pocket to get contraception coverage that they choose and that they desire? >> this is a president who supports the first amendment, supports the freedom of religion. i don't understand why that
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should be an issue. the supreme court has validated this decision certainly many times over, and the president is somebody who believes in the constitution. if people don't like what the constitution says, they should talk to congress about changing it. >> when sarah huckabee sanders says i don't understand why this should be an issue, some look at contraception as a religious or moral issue, but fundamentally it is a social and economic issue. >> well, it's both. and it's also a health care issue and a medical issue because of course, hundreds of thousands of women take birth control for medical reasons apart from the fact that they are also -- there are also women who are taking it just so they can prevent being pregnant. but i will say that i think the rolling back of birth control is essentially a gift to white born again evangelical christians who stuck with president trump
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through all sorts of scandals including the "access hollywood" tape. he won largely white christian voters, and that tells them, essentially, your vote counts. that your vote matters to president trump in this way. and he also gave you near gorsuch. he's also having jeff sessions you know what, there's the civil protections, civil rights protections that we thought the obama administration said applied to transgender people no longer apply to transgender people. so what you're seeing is really this idea that while he might be floundering with health care, while they might not have come up with the infrastructure bill or the tax reform bill yet, what evangelicals can sit at home and say this is a president who is believing in a lot of the christian values, at least the christian values that this segment of the population believes because of course there are thousands of christians, billions of christians who of course believe in birth control and think that women should have a right to figure out when they want to start their families and how they control their bodies. >> it's a year by the way, since
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those "access hollywood" tapes came out. ice yack, do you think the president keeps a list of these things around for when criticism gets hot or he needs to take attention away from something else? because every now and then with the transgender ban, these things come out of the wilderness. we don't see them coming and all of a sudden the president drops a piece of news. >> well, we don't see them coming because there is so much to pay attention too right above the surface with what the president is doing and talking about every day that we can forget that amid all the chaos that is going on in the west wing and all of the problems that the president has hagenda o move anywhere in congress, there is a lot that goes on in the white house every single day, every hour of every day. and thepgs lining this move through. and that is what we can see
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constantly through not just this presidency but any presidency. the white house has a lot of power in it, can have a lot of effect on things, and there are a lot of people in that building working toward the president's overall agenda no matter what else is going on and what other people may be paying attention to. so we see that here. and i am sure that we will see that going on on other things, maybe next week, maybe the week after. it is what will continue to in some ways be surprised by, but i don't think we should necessarily. and this as they were pointing out is something that speaks to an important item for a lot of people who voted for president trump and that he is fulfilling essentially campaign promises by moving on. >> jemele, i just want to explore this idea of it being a social and economic issue. a lot of people take it for dprantd that you can get birth control whenever you want and maybe even if you had to pay a copay it's affordable to a lot
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of people. but fundamentally the concept of contraception, the idea of being able to choose when you have children is one that has enabled women to make up a lot of ground that they had not had in previous times. >> right. and here is the thing. i'm a christian. no god is ever telling me to discriminate against women. no god is ever telling me to make sure that women don't have the powers or the same pris that men have in order to be able to choose the direction of their lives or their professions. and so i think what we need to really start looking at here is whether or not we're surprised about i this. it's pretty much irrelevant. the point is it's horrifying, this move. i think what we're seeing is a move that not only puts women's choices below men's choices, but it's also making sure that women are less safe, less healthy than men. you're saying, you know, let's look at birth control. birth control, make sure, worldwide, lower hiv rates, lower nfbt mortality, lower rates of abortion, safe or
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unsafe, and so this is what the president is saying we don't need. we need higher hiv rates, we need higher infant mortality. we need higher abortion rates which seems to go against the agenda. yes. >> i think through me when i hear him talking about that, i think the one thing that i think especially as a woman on this panel this issue is obviously couched in women because we bear the babies. this is a middle class issue. if you're a young family who is growing and you want to not have 12 kids or 17 kids because both the mother and the father want to work, that allows men to also thrive. that allows men to also say i don't have to have 18 kids and i could also provide for only my family of two. so i think when we think about this there's obviously the idea that women should have control of their bodies, but incompetent there's also the socioeconomic thick the idea that families in general might find it harder to
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make ends meet if they won't have to pay for birth control out of their pockets and might end up with an unwanted pregnancy. >> we'll leave it at that point. it's a key point to make. thanks very much. thank you all for joining us on this friday night. up next, donald trump's flare for pronunciation when the 11th hour continues. hi, i'm the internet! you know what's difficult? adulting...
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we love puerto rico. puerto rico. >> we love you. >> and we also love puerto rico. >> already. the last thing before we go tonight, that was president trump at the white house today at an event celebrating hiss panic heritage month. as one daily beast headline put it president trump repeatedly said puerto rico with an accent. it was awkward. it reminded us of his flare for pronunciation especially when it comes to geography. nevada. you know what i said? i said nobody says it the other way. it has to be nevada. all right? our embassies in kenya and tanzania. china. little hafian that.
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