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not we're so surprised at how hard this turned out to be. >> my emmy nominated colleague lawrence o'donnell will be back monday. and you can always catch my know show "the beat" on monday. at 6:00 p.m. eastern. i have a new report about revelations on trump's voter fraud situation. and whether this is the earliest start for lame duck presidency. "the 11th hour" starts now. tonight calm before the storm. was it a tool of distraction or a dire warning? a day after those presidential comments, he's still not saying, leaving the question tonight does anyone know what trump's talking about? plus an update on the russia front. what could robert mueller's team
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want to know about that infamous dossier and with whom else is its author willing to meet. >> and a live update from las vegas five days after a gunman killed 58 people, police are still searching for what led him to commit the massacre. "the 11th hour" begins now. good evening, once again from our nbc news bureau in los angeles. i'm ali velshi. brian has the night off. >> here's how started. last night the president met with members of the military and their families and standing next to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, he said this -- >> do you know what this represents? it's the calm before the storm. >> what's the storm? >> it could be the calm before the storm.
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>> what storm is it, mr. president? >> we have the world's great military people in this room, we'll tell you that. thank you all for coming. >> reporter: what storm, mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> reporter: give us a hint. >> thank you, everybody. >> reporters asked the president today what that storm might be, and with a wink for someone in the room, he kept the mystery going. >> thank you. thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> reporter: mr. president, what did you mean by "calm before the storm"? what did you mean by that? >> you'll find out. >> then within the hour reporters had a chance to ask the white house press secretary, too. here's how she's answered those questions. >> as we said many times before,
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i know the president has, as i have from this podium on quite a few occasions, we're never going to say in advance what the president's going to do. and as he said last night in addition to those comments, you'll have to wait and see. >> reporter: but how seriously should the american public or american adversaries take that comment? is it a joke or is it serious? >> i think can you take the president protecting the american people always very serious. he's been very clear that's his number one priority. if he feels action is necessary, he'll take it. >> you said the president wants to preserve an element of surprise. if he wants to preserve an element of surprise, why would he dangle hits in the first place? >> i don't believe he did. >> today's press briefing also touched on a question that has lingered in the news this week about the escalating tension between the president and secretary of state rex tillerson.
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sources said tillerson called trump a moron and after a running theme has emerged in this white house with employees either resigning or getting fired on fridays, american urban radio networks reporter april ryan asked the very question that many in the room had on their minds. >> today is friday. could we expect a resignation today? >> i don't think so, april. davis? >> we also have a new gut check on how people approve of the president. 32% of people approve of the way trump is handling his job, 67% disapprove. and then there's this -- just 24% of people think the country is headed in the right direction. that number has dropped ten points since june. our leadoff panel tonight, white house bureau chief for "the washington post," phillip rucker, neera, chairman of
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journalism ethics at the pointer institute. and curtis lee, national reporter for the los angeles times. welcome to all of you. does sarah huckabee sanders know what the president was talking about when the president said this is the calm before the storm? does anybody likely know what the president was talking about? >> nobody i talked to today knows what the president of talking about. i think the president was trying to communicate two things with those remarks yesterday. number one, he has the power to create a storm if he so chooses, as the commander in chief. he likes to remind people of his powers. number two, he was a reality show producer for years. this is what he did with success for many years with "the apprentice." he wants you to tune in tomorrow for the next episode and he doesn't want you to change the channel. i think he might be playing this out a little bit for that effect. we could all be surprised this weekend. there could be some sort of military action, i don't know.
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certainly things are tense in a number of areas in the world but there's no indication that something imminent is planned. >> he's the master of tease. as some want to know, is there going to be a friday night resignation. most people assume she was asking about rex tillerson. >> i think that's certainly who she was asking about but i think a lot of people are wondering the only resignation that would help them rest is donald trump resigning, that is not going to be happening imminently or any time we know of. i think the problem here is it goes back to what bob corker, the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee said that he was hoping and praying, essentially, that rex tillerson was not going to be forced out or of his own accord because he's one of only three grownups in the room who are between this country and chaos. i thought it was really interesting that the white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders said, no, it's the president keeping the country
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from chaos. >> let's play the exchange about senator corker's comments. let's watch. >> earlier this week senator corker said that secretary mattis and general kelly and rex tillerson are keeping the white house from chaos. do you have any response to senator corker's statement? >> i think the president is the one keeping the world from chaos. he has an incredible team around him that's helping him lead that effort. >> curtis, i was in las vegas earlier this week when the president landed there, and most
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of us were expecting to see general kelly, his chief of staff with him. it turns out that this whole tillerson situation had caused general kelly to stay back and try and manage that. rex tillerson came out and made a statement, didn't entirely deny nbc's reporting that he had called the president a moron but did say he hadn't considered resigning but now there are reports that even general kelly has been mulling over resigning. >> that's interesting. he's just been in his position for a couple months. i remember the night that anthony scaramucci was let go. and we see months later, weeks later that donald trump, president trump is going to be president trump. we saw what during the charlottesville back and forth and him saying that both sides were to blame. we've seen his comments about
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kim jong-un calling him little rock et man and using social media. his protests against african-american players in the nfl who were kneeling. we're really seeing that general kelly -- i mean, he can kind of manage the staff but at the end of the day the president is going to be the president, he's going to do what he wants to do and i think we've seen that ever since general kelly has stepped into his position. >> phil, let's talk about this a.p. norc poll. i want to talk about this 24%. only 24% of respondents say the country is moving in the right direction. what do you make of this? >> it's an incredibly low number. it's so striking because some of the economic indicators are quite strong. with the exception of -- >> the stock market's on another record, unemployment is low, stock market is high. >> that's right. it was also at the end of the obama term that things were improving. so clearly there -- things are on the up side out in the
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country, and people don't feel good about the direction of the country. now, that's partly because of the issue with wages, that wages are just not going up and keeping pace. but the other issue is there's so much chaos and instability and turmoil in washington and the government. the republicans have control of both houses of congress as well as the white house and have not been able to pass any significant legislative achievement here. i think a lot of people feel anxious about that. when we travel out in the country and interview voters, they feel anxious about it. we'll see what time will tell but that is not a good number for president trump or for the republican party as they look to the mid-terms in 2018. >> indira, there's an interesting development, axios is reporting that president trump has reached out to senator chuck schumer to talk about health care of all things. when things start to look chaotic at the white house, the president can surprise us. i cannot imagine what that conversation was. no one seems to know what the
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content of the conversation would be. what could president trump possibly be trying to get from chuck schumer on the matter of obamacare. there couldn't be two men more on opposite sides on this issue. >> and this is happening on the very same day that the president has removed that requirement that obamacare insurers provide contraception as part of the package. i mean, look, the speculation is that he's reached out to chuck schumer in an effort to try to once again try to repeal and replace obamacare, an effort that has -- a lot of effort has been put into this by the republicans and by trump itself and it hasn't gotten anywhere. donald trump saw the one bump he got recently was from this deal he made with chuck and nancy, which was the deal on the government debt limit and also on immigrants, on dreamers. i think he's trying to get a little wind out of that.
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it was very important. you said only 24% of americans in this latest ap-norc poll think we're on the right track because it's also the time that republicans who think he's doing things on the right track fell below a majority. maybe he's just trying to grasp for support where he can get it and reaching across the aisle worked last time. >> what do you make of these numbers? they're low even by low standard we've become accustomed to. >> absolutely, that is one of those things. the poll in june showed republicans were on board with the president. we've seen a 15% drop with republican support of how the president is doing. with all the things that president trump does with charlottesville and nfl players. everyone says, well, how will this impact his base. it's showing that -- in these months, his base is going down. and also in that poll, it's interesting to see that 60% of
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americans felt like they didn't believe the president was doing well with race relations. and that's been at the fore of a lot of people's minorities since charlottesville. last week we saw the president going after puerto rican, the mayor of san juan over twitter. it's interesting to see the different views but i see the key part is the republican support is starting to drop. >> do you think this decision today to roll back the policy that insurers and employers roll back the coverage the cost of birth control was to speak to his base? >> it's a play to part of the base, the social conservatives, the evangelicals, which are a natural part of the republican party base. they're not necessarily the people we think of as trump voters. certainly, this issue of religious liberty is something the president has spoken up about at various points of his presidency, something we know
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vice president mike pence cares intensely about. i'm not surprised to see this change happen. clearly it's something that he's trying to do for republican party for those religious conservatives. >> we're going to get into that a little later in the show, but thank you. coming up, news on the author of that salacious dossier. "the 11th hour" continues after this. we'll get back to your regular programming in a second. we're watching the strongest winds with nate approaching the coastline in mississippi, we're going to be live from 10:00 to midnight eastern time, taking you through the landfall on msnbc. i think the landfall will happen during the 11:00 to midnight hour. we're watching the storm just south of biloxi mississippi
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as it relates to the steele dossier, unfortunately the committee has hit a wall. >> that was the story from the senate intelligence committee on wednesday. chairman richard burr was talking about that salacious donald trump dossier that surfaced after the election, alleging the trump campaign had colluded with russia. the man burr is talking about is the author of that report, a former british intelligence officer named christopher steele.
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one source close to steele said that in late september, steele related to washington through an associate that steele, in fact, would be happy to meet with burr and senator mark warner of virginia. the committee's ranking democrat. phil rucker is back with me and also carrie cordero. phil, let me start with you. carrie, let's start with you. what's your take on this. >> maybe the difficulty in getting to mr. steele, he was very publicly letting mr. steel know they want to talk to him and probably have been in some kind of negotiation regarding him coming on board and being able to speak to the committee. i would think that mr. steele from his perspective, he's got to be most concerned about the protection of his sources. so whether it turns out that the
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information in his report turns out to be true or not or some of it is true and other parts are not, the verification of now he obtained his information is going to be of interest to investigators and he, on the other hand, is going to want to protect the sources of information that he relied upon. i would think that would be at least one of the big sticking points between the information that the committee might want to solicit from him and what he is willing to provide. >> and again, just to distinguish, is there a difference, if you are michael steele and you are concerned about your sources, is there a difference between talking to bob mueller and team versus talking to the senate intelligence committee? >> i think there is because we have to remember the investigation into the russian interference in the election did not begin with the special counsel's office. it started as an fbi investigation, i would presume. and so what happened is those
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investigators who were working on that investigation got rolled under the supervision of the special counsel. so if mr. steele is a former intelligence officer, he would have been used to working with other foreign intelligence services like fbi agents and so he would understand sort of the parameters of the secrecy by which an interview would take place. he would have less experience obviously, there would have been no reason in the past for him to working with and talking to congressional investigators and i think he would probably be more cautious, particularly because their deliverable is a report to the public. >> and it's christopher steele, by the way. i misspoke his name. phil, let's talk about where this fits in the whole investigation. when this report came out, it was a shock to everyone. then it was determined that some of it was hard to confirm. i want to refer back to the
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written statement that former fbi director gave to the senate intelligence committee before he testified in june. if it he referred to a phone call he had with the president in march, he said he had nothing to do with russia, he had not been involved with hookers in russia and always assumed he was being recorded in russia. he asked what we could do to lift the cloud. where does this dossier that clearly gets under the president's skin stand in this investigation as far as you can tell? >> well, first of all, you're right about it getting under the president's skin. when the dossier first became public a couple weeks before the inauguration, trump went really ballistic, frankly. i was at trump tower for that news conference and he was lashing out at the news media for printing any of the salacious details and denying pretty much all of them absolutely. the way the dossier fits into the broader russia investigation is that it allegedly shows some
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sort of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. the problem is that a lot of elements of the dossier have not been confirmed publicly. it's not clear whether they're true or not and i think this is one of the reasons why the congressional, the senate investigators would very much like to speak to steele to try to get to the bottom this, to try to understand his sources and his methods to determine what here may be true, what may be verifiable and what sort of steps it could show that could help them get to the bottom of the truth in the investigation overall. >> in fairness to the president, the there are a lot of people who say that everything about russia gets under his skin and that the president should be more forthcoming go a lot of it. but the stuff in this dossier would get under anybody's skin, regardless of who it was written about. >> that's right. there was a lot of sexual activity that was alleged and i think it bothered him personally. >> carrie, there was a nine-month status report from the senate intelligence committee.
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if you just read media reports on it, depending on what sources you use for your news, you would either say that they've come up with nothing of value on the russia investigation or they feel that they've got something but they don't want to talk about it until they've been able to confirm everything. what do you read into this report? >> well, i think the chairman and the vice chair had a few different reasons for having their press conference the other day. first, they are really trying to demonstrate to the public that they are conducting a bipartisan, serious investigation. and so i think they feel that by having the press conference itself, which the intelligence committees usually do their business behind closed doors, is in and of itself a significant step by demonstrating how many hearings they have, how much staff they've devoted to it, witnesses they've interviewed, they're trying to show they're doing the people's business, i think. i think they largely conceded in conveying that message.
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they also i think revealed that they really are focused on the interference in the election, whether or not there was cooperation or collusion with the trump campaign itself and how the country needs to think about future elections and whether or not future elections are secured, whether or not the the country understands the influence that the russians tried to have both in 2016 and in future elections. and so they are gearing their investigation and their report on those specific issues. >> and, phil, while the president continues to maintain there was no collusion, the easier part for the president would be to acknowledge what so many have acknowledged and that there was, you know, daily we get more evidence of interference in the election, or at least attempts to do so. we still haven't got clarity from the president or from the administration as to whether they are starting to come around
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on that conclusion and are prepared to do something about it. in fact, the president's only activity as it receipts to elections is this voter fraud commission. >> that's right. it's the entire intelligence community actually that's concluded that this interference did happen by russia to influence the election, and the president in his tweets and his language, he likes to call the entire russia issue a hoax and fake news and he muddies the line. there are two very distinct things we're talking about here. we're talking on the one hand the interference that has been confirmed by the intelligence community and the that the president has not confirmed and the collusion, which the president is so upset about. >> coming up, investigators are learning new information about that gunman in that massacre but
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after digging into his political affiliations, social life, economic situation, and any potential radicalization, they are still searching for a clear motive. officials also say they are confident that there was not another shooter in the room but continue to investigate whether anyone had knowledge of paddock's intentions. joining me now from las vegas is nbc news correspondent ron allen. what's the update? >> reporter: that's the bottom line. they said they tracked down a thousand leads or so and they don't know why he did it. at the press conference, i think the officers are being sincere. they're a part of this community. there was a las vegas who was killed, first responders who were wounded. i don't think they're hiding anything. i sense some anguish and frustration because i think they want to tell this community something, although when they do tell this community why they
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think he did it, it's not going to make any sense anyway. because what's sensible about opening fire on a crowd of some 20,000 people. again, it's 20,000 people plus first responders. so there are huge ripple effects out into this community. we're out now at a memorial here at this sign, "well to to las vegas," if you haven't been out here, this is at the top of the strip. we're staying away from it because there are literally hundreds of people out there in mourning, it's prayer and tears. there's a lot of emotion and a lot of grief. that's continuing here. the bottom line, the investigators are trying to reach out to people they think may have seen something but don't realize the significance of it, that will put in place how paddock did this. the why, there was no note left, there was no manifesto, there was no explanation to a friend. they've chased his phone and computer records and in most of these cases there as a clue,
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there's some sense, even in a senseless situation. >> the fbi said today it's going to put up billboards soliciting information from people. i was there most of the week and every time i got into a cab, it's a conversation that everybody's having in las vegas but the absence of motive is disheartening to people, it's confusing to people. they need to know there is a reason and that is the difficulty, we're not finding a reason. nobody wants to think that somebody opened fire on 22,000 just because. >> it may just mean that. he was a wealthy guy, millionaire, had means and power that comes with that. he seemed to be operating in his own world. police describe did as a secret world he lived in. with money you can construct
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that around yourself. it may have been impenetrable. this whole idea of putting up billboards, is a social media campaign of some sort that you're going after? that's the age that we live in. bill boards, i see them here. i'm not sure what that will do when the last five days you can't turn away from a computer screen or tv and not seen something of this. the billboard i think speaks to the left of frustration, how they're at their wit's end. i think that's sincere. they've been very transparent about this. i don't think they're hiding some secret plot. they're part of this community that's really, you know, somebody said to me, the cab driver on the way up here said vegas is a place where people come to have a good time. that's why what happened here is all the more tragic and profoundly disturbing.
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that's just not the kind of thing that happens here, or anywhere for that matter, but especially not in a place like this. >> ron allen for us in las vegas. coming up, new reporting tonight on advice given to president trump as he was on his way to las vegas one day after his shooting to hurricane ravaged puerto rico. flonase sensimist allergy relief uses unique mistpro technology and helps block 6 key inflammatory substances with a gentle mist. most allergy pills only block one. and 6 is greater than one. rethink your allergy relief. flonase sensimist. ♪
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this week president trump attempted to comfort american victims of two very different disasters with mixed results. the president made a trip to hurricane-ravaged puerto rico on tuesday where he told some residents to, quote, have fun and tossed rolls of paper towel into a crowd in san juan. a day later the president struck a more somber tone while meeting with victims and first responders in las vegas. that was apparently due to his staff. it's reported tonight that, quote, as the death toll from
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the shooting in las vegas rapidly rose, white house officials urged president trump to show restraint in his response no, speculative tweets, please, no over-the-top bluster. let me bring in our panel. thank you to all of you for being here. jameel, let me start with you on the president's visit to las vegas. it did have a very different tone than puerto rico. puerto rico was a moment standoffish and that was following a week of tweet storms and sort of insults to the mayor of san juan. what happened? >> i think in las vegas he had different narratives to push than he had in puerto rico. he had a narrative of those killed, but he also had law and order. it fits more with his ethos, that cops are pretty much infallible but also that these
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tragedies can be moments of, you know, where they can shine. not necessarily moments of healing but moments of when we should be praising our law enforcement and our police. also in las vegas he had a moment to sort of hype the second amendment. he didn't mention guns at all in his regrets about what happened, but he certainly, you know, reaffirmed his support for the second amendment. in puerto rico, there was a different narrative. you had revenge on the mind of the president. you had him wanting to go after this democratic mayor, a woman of color, and he was making sure that he was showing her up in saying that i want to make sure that you understand i'm the president, i have the power and that, you know, you shouldn't be trying to push me to do my job
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better. you should just be making sure to heap praise upon me because that's all that seems to really matter to the president. >> what do you make of it. we have expectations about what a president does in times of challenge. when the country is in need of comfort. and in fairness presidents -- the last several presidents have all done it a little bit differently. this one just does it a lot differently. >> what struck me in reading this report from the a.p. is the white house aides were very excited by the fact that the president after the shooting in las vegas was taking it very personally, talking about his properties and talking about his friends and at that point he was essentially connecting with people and putting himself in their shoes. then you go to puerto rico, and you see someone wanting to assert himself, show his power and show up this person who he
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sees as threatening. but i also think he sees this far-off island and he's saying puerto rico is so far and we have to figure out how to get there, haven't seen the destruction yet. essentially he's not saying we're not there, i haven't gotten close enough to assess what's going on there. and he was at a golf course tweeting and the first four days after hurricane maria hit, he was not focused on what was going on with puerto rico so i think some of it is a personal connection the president has to make. and it's a lot of emotion. if someone in las vegas and a democratic mayor had come out and started screaming the donald trump and said this is your fault, you have blood on your hands, we might have seen a different donald trump. so the atmosphere was different. >> and not many days. this was a rather quick response where he said he was going to
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las vegas opinion puerto rico was many, many, many days later. does it matter? we spend a lot of time critiquing how presidents respond to these things. in the end in donald trump's case specifically, especially in light of the new approval numbers that we saw this evening, does his response or lack of appropriate response in puerto rico matter? >> all of these things fit into the larger picture of a president. obama was called the consoler in chief at first because he was giving all of those soaring speeches at funerals. that became part of how he was seen. for trump this fits into it as well. so it does build the picture of him. i'm not sure we are seeing anything this past week that radically alters how we think of the president. in fact, it reinforces some of the things that we think of him that, he did not go to puerto rico very quickly, as you point out.
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he did go to las vegas pretty quickly. obviously different situations in those two. but also the kind of thing that he was doing. in puerto rico he seemed, as he always is, very aware of the way that it would play on tv, very concerned with that and doing things that looked to him like the way that it should be on tv, throwing the paper towels into the crowd and saying have fun. also of course there was that interview with geraldo where he said that the debt would be taken care of, would be wiped away and that the white house had to sort of clean up in the days afterwards because that's not something that is obviously very easy to do and the president saying it would be done just because he was -- it seemed like in that moment saying like, yeah, everything is going to be taken care of and not grappling with the complications of it is different from, okay, what do you do with those billions of dollars that need to be discussed? >> it's a $78 billion privately held debt. earlier that day he told the people of puerto rico what a negative effect they're having on the federal budget.
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the trump administration today issued new rules allowing employers and insurers to choose not to cover contraceptives due to religious or moral beliefs. the "new york times" reports under the new regulations, hundreds of thousands of women could lose birth control benefits they now receive at no cost under the affordable care act. the decision was immediately criticized by democrats and groups like planned parenthood and the american civil unities association. this is an unacceptable attack on basic health care that the vast majority of women rely on.
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with this rule in place, any employer could decide their employees no longer have health insurance coverage for birth control. sarah luck ka bee sanders defended the move. >> what would you say to the women out there or to the families out there who now have to pay more out of their pocket to get contraception coverage that they choose and desire. >> this is a president who supports the first amendment, supports the freedom of religion. i don't understand why that should be an issue. the supreme court has validated this decision certainly many times over and the president is somebody who believes in the constitution. if people don't like what the constitution says, they should talk to congress about changing it. >> yamiche, when sarah huckabee sanders says i don't understand why this should be an issue, some look at contraception as a
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religious or moral issues, but fundamentally it is a social and economic issue. >> well, it's both and it's also a health care issue and a medical issue because of course hundreds of thousands of women take birth control for medical reasons, apart from the fact that there are also women who take it just to prevent being pregnant. i think the rolling back of birth control is a gift to white, evangelical christians who stood with donald trump in regards to the "access hollywood" tape. i was just looking at exit polls before i came on tonight. he won largely white christian voters, and that tells them essentially, your vote counts. your vote matters to president trump in this way. he also gave you neil gorsuch. and jeff sessions says, the civil protections that we thought the obama administration said applied to transgender
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people no longer applies to transgender people. what you're seeing is this idea that while he may be floundering with health care, they may not have come up with an inf infrastructure bill yet, evangelicals can say, this is a president who is believing in the christian values. there are thousands of christians, billions of christians who believe in birth control, and think women should have a right to figure out when they want to start their families and control their bodies. >> it's a year since the access hollywood taping came out. >> do you think the president keeps a list of these things around for when criticism gets hot. or he needs to take attention away from something else, every now and then with the transgender ban, these things come out of the wilderness, we don't see them coming and all of a sudden the president drops a piece of news. >> we don't see them coming because there's so much to pay
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attention to right above the surface that the president is talking about every day. we can forget amid all the chaos in the west wing, and the problems that the president has had getting his agenda to move anywhere in congress, there is a lot of work that goes on at the white house every single day. every hour of every day, and things like this move through, and that is what we can see constantly through not just this president denszcy, but any presiden presidency. the white house has a lot of power and can have a lot of effect on things. and there are a lot of people in that building working toward the president's agenda, no matter what else is going on about we see that here, and i'm sure we will see that going on on other things. it is what will continue to, in some ways be surprised by.
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but i don't think we should necessarily. and this is something that speaks to an important item for a lot of people that voted for president trump. and he's fulfilling campaign promises by moving on. >> i want to explore this idea. a lot of people take for granted you can get birth control whenever you want. the idea of being able to choose when you have children is one that has enabled women to make up a lot of ground that they have not had in previous times. >> here's the thing. i'm a christian, no god is ever telling me to discriminate against women, no god is telling me to make sure women don't have the same powers to choose the
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direction of their lives and professions. we need to start looking at whether we're surprised by this. it's horrifying this move. we're seeing a move that puts women's choices below men's choices. it's also making sure that women are less safe, less healthy than men. you're saying -- let's look at birth control. world wild, it lowers hiv rates, infant mortality, lower rates of abortion. this is what the president is saying we don't need. we need higher hiv rates, higher infant mortality. seems to go against the evangelical agenda. >> i think for me, when i hear him talking about that, the one thing i think especially as a woman on this panel, this issue is couched because women bear the babies. this is a middle class issue, if
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you're a young family and you want to not have 12 kids or 17 kids because both the mother and father want to work. that allows men to also thrive. i don't have to have 18 kids and i can provide for my family of two. there's the idea that women should have control of their bodies, i think there's also this socioeconomic idea that families will have a harder time to make ends meet. they may end up with an unwanted pregnancy. >> we'll leave it at that point. it's a key point to make. thanks very much. thank you all for joining us on this friday night. up next, donald trump's flair for pronunciation, when the 11th hour continues. -whoa, he looks -- -he looks exactly like me. -no. -separated at birth much? we should switch name tags, and no one would know who was who.
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people of puerto rico. we love puerto rico. >> we love you. >> and we also love puerto rico. >> the last thing before we go tonight. that was president trump at the white house today at an event celebrating hispanic heritage month. president trump reportedly said puerto rico with an accent, it was awkward. reminded us for his flair for pronounce yags, especially when it comes to geographgeography. >> nevada. you know what i said, when i came out here, nobody says it the other way. it has to be nevada. right? >> our embassies in tanzania -- china. china's taken care of. little havana, cuba. >> qatar. they say cutter, i've always
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said ka tal. what the hell, i don't care if i mispronounce it. >> thank you for being with us. brian will be back on monday. have a great weekend. very good evening to you. live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. right now, hurricane nate bearing down on the golf coast. we're expecting it to make landfall once again. the storm already making landfall at the mouth of the mississippi. nate is a category 1 hurricane right now. it could cause a storm surge of up to 9 feet in parts of alabama

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