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espinoza for the ap. i'm doing the instagram takeover take for our msnbc account as well heading to the white house as usual as every monday. right now, turning it over to chris januarysing in new york for more news. >> hi, halli e. good morning, everybody. it is october 9th. let's get started. >> president trump's latest war of words is particularly striking because this time it's with the republican chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. >> bob worker of tennessee telling "the new york times" that the president's reckless threats could set the nation, quote, on the path to world war iii. >> saying he treats the office like a reality show. like he's doing "the apprentice" or something. >> not running for re-election, sort of unleashes him to do and say whatever he wants to say. >> what's the one thing that will work with north korea? >> you will figure that out pretty soon. >> the president also waging a
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battle over immigration this morning. the most controversial request? funding for a southern border wall. >> cracking down on sanctuary cities, tougher action against uncompanied minors and beefed up border security. >> pence leaving sunday's colts game after more than 20 players took a knee in the national anthem. the president says he asked the vice president to leave the stadium if any players kneeled. disrespecting our country. to attend the game, pence flew more than 1,800 miles from las vegas to anyplace and then another 2,000 plus miles back to l.a. ahead of a political fund-raiser. >> how much money -- did that cost? >> a lot of money. >> a lot of money. >> the vice president and the second lady going to the colts game is on the books for a very long time. >> a hollywood titan dethroned. >> executive harvey weinstein is fired from the studio he co-founded. >> after a bombshell "the new york times" report unveiled sexual harassment allegations spanning almost three decades.
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>> everyone expected to him and everyone feels indebted to him. >> often women fear that they may never work again if they speak out. >> he blocked the exit and said, just down there and be quiet. >> and he exposed himself to you? >> yeah, yeah. >> well, busy monday. we have a lot to get to. let's start with the tense escalating war of words of president trump and high profile member of his own party, bob corker. the republican senator telling "the new york times" the president could put the nation, quote, on the path to world war iii. adding, he concerns me. he would have to concern anyone that cares about our nation an he says the president treats the office like, quote, a reality show, like he's doing "the apprentice" or something. the for responding after president trump went in to attack mode on twitter sunday slamming the recent decision not
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to run for re-election next year. he tweeted he begged me to endorse him. i said no and he dropped out. said he could not win without my endorsement adding didn't have the guts to run. the senator contradicted that account telling "the new york times" the president asked him to reconsider. the senator tweeting sunday morning, this is a shame the white house is an adult day care center. someone obviously missed their shift this morning. all this following other harsh comments of senator corker over the past few weeks. >> i think secretary tillerson, secretary mattis and chief of staff kelly are those people that help separate our country from chaos. the president has not yet -- has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the
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competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. >> those comments coming in reaction to the president's controversial response to the violence in charlottesville. this feud of the president and the senate foreign relations committee erupting as the president takes on the world, including north korea and iran as he wages a new battle over immigration this morning and amid potential new developments of health care. joining me now to examine all of it, white house correspondent kristen welker, white house correspondent for reuters jeff mason and spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the u.n. in the obama administration, hagar shamali. kristen, the feud, what happened here? this is a guy who was a trump supporter, considered as a possible running mate or secretary of state. what's going on? >> reporter: right. and that's what makes this so incredible, chris. he was a supporter in the campaign an as you rightfully
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point out, someone who was being eyed for a top position here in the trump administration. as you said, the initial break started in the wake of charlottesville and it's only escalated, including last week when he had those incredible words amid reports, our reporting, that there were new tensions between the secretary of state and president trump. saying essentially, the secretary of state is among those who is keeping this administration from chaos. you saw the fight escalate on sunday when the sunday attacked him. senator corker firing back and the reason why it's significant is for a couple of different reasons, chris. one, because senator corker is someone who is influential. will he open up the door to criticism from other top republicans who, quite frankly, have voiced similar concerns behind the scenes? there's a practical implication which is, of course, what will it mean for the president's
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legislative agenda? for tax reform? for immigration restorm? for the new iran policy and expecting the president to roll out this week? it could make it more difficult for the president to get the votes he needs for policy agenda passed, chris. >> jeff, talk about that immigration reform. he's in the feud with democrats. now they thought they had a deal to keep dreamers here. you're reporting on a hardline set of conditions the white house put out what they want in exchange for that. where are we right now? >> the president and the white house came out with the principles they would like to see established in conjunction with the deal on daca or the legislative move to help save the d.r.e.a.m.ers who were young children that came to the united states illegally. the principles he outlined are conservative and hard to the right. they include demanding funding for a border wall which is something that leader pelosi and schumer both said was ruled out
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when they had dinner with president trump. as well as a crackdown on undocumented, uncompanied minors who come to the united states through central america and money for 10,000 new i.c.e. agents to cover and check the border so some very conservative points on a wish list that democrats said essentially are a nonstarter for a del. >> meantime you have in the backdrop of all of this, the threat posed by north korea. you have the iran nuclear deal. what's going to happen with that? here's what the president tweeted just this morning on north korea. our country has been unsuccessfully dealing with north korea for 25 years giving billions of dollars and getting nothing. policy didn't work. and that follows his cryptic comments this weekend including tweeting only one thing will work and then when peter alexander asked him, what is it? he said find out pretty soon.
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north korea is essentially being laid out there in twitter. everybody i have talked to said there's one way to interpret that and that is that we're ready for military action and everybody also says that would be an unmitigated disaster. where are we? >> it's true. he's laying it out in a trump pattern. teasing everybody saying i'm dangling something you don't know what it is. the me he's clearly hinting the military action saying that the policy didn't work because the policy has been ratcheting up the pressure, even dating back to the bush years. the pressure steadily. increasing the sanctions. trying to go toward negotiations and the u.s. actually made it clear. the u.n. security council resolution our goal to revamp the six-party talks and then undermined the negotiation efforts so the only thing left there is military action. i don't know how serious he is. i think he's trying to punt it a
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bit and maybe provoke north korea into the first move to justify the military action and that is his pattern for every foreign policy strategy. >> yeah. jeff mason, to talk about provocation, all the questions that were raised last week when during that photo-op for military commanders, the president said, you guys know what this represents. maybe it's the calm before the storm. and, you know, you guys have asked in the press room multiple times, sarah sanders, what that means, she is not going to go there. so, again, here's a president who says i'm not going to telegraph what i'm going to do. is he telegraphing here? >> -- kristen and i were in the room that night when president trump made the remarks and both of us asked him what storm? what do you mean? he didn't engage. you're right that the white house spokeswoman and others here have not wanted to go further on that either. what you can do is look back at what president trump has said before. and he went in front of the united nations general assembly
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and said that the united states is prepared to totally destroy north korea if necessary to protect itself and to protect the allies. so it's clear whether he says that now or more cryptically that military action is on his mind. that is a clear signal, yes. >> jeff, kristen, hagar, thank you. >> thank you. >> stand by, everyone has to be talking about this. everybody i know has been talking about it. we know hollywood is talking about it. movie mogul harvey weinstein fired from the company he co-founded after allegations of harassment, sexual harassment. we'll hear from a woman about her run-in with him and why hollywood has been so silent. i . i had purpose and i loved it. you never told me you were a hero. you are my hammer out there. don't let these young guys see you fold. ♪ i'm only human
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hollywood mega mogul mar vi weinstein is fired by his own company's board of directors and his brother and issued a statement overnight saying in light of new information about misconduct by weinstein that emerged in the past few days, his employment was terminated effective immediately. the statement does not specify what misconduct they're referring to but it comes after the "the new york times" revealedal gags of sexual misconduct that spanned decades. nbc news has not confirmed those allegations. the media tycoon known for "pulp
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fiction" responded to the report saying i came of age in the '60s and '70s when all the rules about behavior and workplaces were different. i have since learned it's not an excuse in the office or out of it. to anyone. despite this apology, weinstein's lawyers threatened to sue the paper claiming the report was false and defamatory. just days after "the new york times" bombshell that named actresses, another woman spoke out to the huffington post saying he trapped her in a hallway in a restaurant ten years and touched himself inappropriately in front of her. just moments ago, i talked to her about what happened that night. >> just out with friends in new york city one night. and harvey weinstein happened to be part of this group of people that were all hanging out. and he sat down next to me, chatted me up, was very, very polite, very complimentary.
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he found out i was working in local news and he mentioned that he loves his local news station an we talked about our love of history and presidential history and it was a wonderful conversation that we had. >> i mean, did you get a sense like he was offering to maybe help you? >> not at all. >> nothing? >> not at all. just a wonderful, you know, conversation with a stranger who happened to be a big deal hollywood mogul at the time. of course i was flattered to be talking to him. >> of course. and then what happened? >> and then shortly after, you know, we had moved to a different location. to a place that was like a bar and a restaurant. and he said to me, you know what? i'm an owner of this place. have you ever seen the restaurant down stairs? let me give you a tour of this place. i said, oh, all right. and i followed him down and it turned out the kitchen was basically empty. there was someone just sweeping up that he dismissed and he kind of backed me up into a vestibule
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area at the back of the kitchen and -- >> he's an imposing figure. >> yeah. to say the least. i mean, there was one exit for me leave but he backed me into a corner and blocked the exit and said, went in for -- to try to kiss me. and i pulled back and i said, no thank you. i'm sorry if i gave you that impression at all. i'm in a relationship. and -- basically was trying to say good-bye at that point. i didn't need to be down stairs with him anymore and that's when he made sure that he blocked the exit and said, um, just down there and be quiet. >> and he exposed himself to you? >> yeah, yeah. >> i can't even imagine what was going through your mine at that point, but did you feel like you were -- obviously you were in a horrible, threatening emotional situation. did you feel physically threatened, as well? what is going through your mind at a time like that? >> how do i get the heck out of
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here? >> i was so shocked by that behavior because ten minutes earlier was this, you know, kind man, complimenting me and we're having this great discussion and then it cuts to just down there and be quiet and i realized everything that had occurred upstairs was just to lure me down here for this. and when he exposed -- when anyone -- it was just such a shocking thing. i was kind of frozen in place. and i just could not believe what i was witnessing. i mean, he was a stranger. i had just met him. >> and he called you the next day? >> that has to be the most bizarre part in all of this. after, you know, i left. i fled. i grabbed my friend. we got out of there that night and then at the news station he calls the station and i pick up the phone in the office, hi, i have harvey weinstein on the line for you. and my heart dropped.
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and he -- hi, how are you? i just want to let you know i had a great time last night. and i couldn't believe what i was hearing and he said, you know, could i see you again? and i said, no. absolutely not. in fact, i don't ever want to speak to you again. and i said as politely as i could, but i wanted to make it very clear, this -- wanted nothing to do with him. >> you told a friend at the time. >> hmm. >> you have someone who corroborate this is and other women who have come forward. >> sure. >> rose mccowan, ashley judd talked about it publicly and did not name harvey weinstein by name. largely we saw over the course of three days hollywood was silent. we have now heard just in the last hour or so, last couple of hours, meryl streep telling "the huffington post" the news appalled those of us whose work
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he championed and whose good and worthy causes he supported. the women who raised their voices to expose this abuse are now our heroes. but then she says one thing can be clarified, not everybody knew. i'm sure not everybody knew. but if the reporting is to be believed that he settled at least eight times with other women, and presumably you could have been one of those women, you could have gone after him for some money, do you believe that a lot of hollywood covered this up for a very long time? >> whout a doubt. without a doubt. you talk to men in hollywood. i have told this story, by the way. i haven't kept this a dark secret. i tell people this story when his name comes up or people ask me if i met him. i talked about this. >> you live in los angeles. >> i will have in los angeles now. the reaction is, that's harvey. >> that's harvey? >> yeah. >> so again, i don't want to paint hollywood with a broad
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brush. seth rogan, not just women, have come out. but the number of a-listers who have said nothing and the republicans charge who came out against donald trump, who came out against the folks at fox, were quick to do that and haven't said anything about this. does it make you angry? how do you feel about the fact that if indeed people knew about this maybe for years, maybe for decades, that he never paid a price for it? maybe some money? >> yeah. i mean, he had plenty of money to pay people off. i think that, you know, more than blaming women for not coming out sooner and not telling the stories sooner, let's take the blame off that because, you know, why don't we blame his enablers. there are many, many people who do business with harvey weinstein and many of those people know what was going on. knew what was up. he was kind of in my opinion brash about his behavior and almost bragged to some people about the women he could control and so the people that do
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business with him, condone that kind of behavior, i think they have some responsibility in this. and i know, believe me, i know how hard it is when you have a huge hollywood titan to go up against him or voice an opinion that his behavior is someone i wouldn't want to do business with and how difficult that would be. >> this is something you have had to live with for a very long time. it was a traumatic experience, i'm sure. is there something you think you ultimately could see happening after this that could -- i mean, he's been fired so there's that kind of justice. but what needs to happen so that at least you can say something came out of what i went through? >> oh, just the fact that he was -- look. i don't have any vendetta against harvey weinstein. what happened to me i wanted to ferg, just nothing to do with him. i wasn't looking for money. i wasn't looking to make a name for myself, of course. but the fact that this is out there and he can't hide by just paying people off and continuing that behavior, to me that's very
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satisfying. >> my thanks to lauren and said she is expecting more fallout in the days ahead and we will have much more this hour. but first, digging into facebook's role in the 2016 election and new details about ads that russia bought on youtube, gmail and other online platforms. an enthat brings me to the cartoon of the day. titled, quote, russian military parade and no tanks or nuclear weapons in this one. it is a parade of the twitter logo, the facebook logo, hackers and wikileaks. stay with us. why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you? well, because it tells us something powerful about progress:
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what is it that makes it go -- i'm going to stop and look? >> he knew what to do because he says he had facebook employees embedded in the campaign offices. often working there several days every week. >> i want to know everything you tell hillary's campaign plus some and your people here to teach me. >> inside? >> yes. >> how do you know they were not trojans horses? >> i asked them to be republicans. people that supported donald trump from their companies. >> than's what you got? >> yeah. they have divisions set up that way. >> what do you mean? >> they already have groups of people in the political divisions, republican and democrat. >> i would like to bring in carrie swisher. wow. that was quite a blockbuster interview. >> yeah. >> parscale said he not only had facebook but twitter and google employees in his offices showing him how to target voters. hillary clinton's campaign told cbs they declined facebook's office to embed employee.
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do you think this happened? >> right. i think the word embed is kind of funny. it is a military term, isn't it? >> yeah. >> what happens is a lot of these companies do allow -- bring people in to help you. when i was at "wall street journal" we had a training with twitter and facebook and at recode. it is not uncommon to teach people how to use the platforms. obviously, this guy's looking for more business and something going on forever. >> but then why would hillary clinton's campaign say no? >> well, they didn't want -- they were bad at what they did, i guess. you know what i mean? think they can do it themselves. i don't know why you decline help from the companies on how to use the platforms. this is something they provide lots an lots of companies. i'm not one to defend facebook in this situation. they were sloppy and didn't do anything about the russia ads the way they should. slow rolling the problem around ads and spam having to do with
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infecting elections. but the fact of the matter is they don't vet people by the political persuasion and put them in campaigns and embed them as soldiers. it is a little bit laughable. >> this is the most expensive campaign in political history and parscale said gave them access to rural votes, right? places where not necessarily they see the ads that are running in the big cities. >> yes. >> how important is that aspect of social media when it comes to this political audience? >> well, it's called targeting, going on for a long time and in social media and in just general digital media. you know, years ago, he was talking about different color buttons, you know, aol would know if they fuzzied a people more people would click on it. there's tricking to be attracted to things and one of the great parts of social media is to microtarget down to the exact people to impact compared to say television or radio or anything else.
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so, you know, i think they definitely, the trump campaign, used social media more effectively than the clinton campaign. that's pretty much what's happened here and reap the benefits of doing that. these are tools available to anybody including the russians to use, to abuse, to do anything to manipulate the general public. >> "the washington post" is reporting today that google has uncovered evidence that russian operatives spent tens of thousands of dollars on ads including youtube, gmail and reports it does not appear to be from the same agents buying ads on facebook. is this another sign that this is much more widespread than maybe most people imagined? >> yeah. i think it's very widespread and an expression why do you rob banks? that's where the money is. why do you use digital platforms? because that's where the people are. dy an interview with the ceo
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where she said they hadn't found ads and looking for them and now found them. they find it in any product to reach out to people an target them. and these two platforms, google and facebook, are the biggest and third one is twitter so, you know, any of these platforms that have so many -- facebook has 2 billion people that use the platform. you target them trying to reach people and microtarget the people to get to and they're sophisticated doing it, obviously. >> how to keep bad actors out, that's one going forward. cara swisher, thank you. great talking to you. >> thanks. and stand by, everyone. new questions this morning after vice president pence walks out of a nfl game when players protested during the national anthem. was it planned? and how much money did all this cost taxpayers? we'll break it down next. what started as a passion...
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♪ (bell mnemonic) so now prufr is defending vice president pence's decision to walk out of the nfl game after players knelt in the national anthem. pence and his wife attended the colts-49ers game yesterday afternoon for honoring peyton manning and left after more than 20 49ers took a knee. the vice president tweeting almost immediately, i left today's colts game because potus and i will not dignify any event
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that disrespects our soldiers, our flag and our national anthem. the president tweeted the players showed such disrespect for our country. but democrats are calling it an expensive stunt with congressman adam schiff tweeting after the scandals of unnecessarily expensive travel by cabinet secretaries, how much taxpayer money was wasted on this stunt. joining me, peter alexander raising two questions. one, how expensive it was. b, the vice president had to know at this game, especially since it started with the 49ers, that at least some players were going to take a knee. >> reporter: you would think as much. i'm speaking to the vice president's office over the course of the morning and insist it was not preplanned. the president, this protest was not planned and had been going to the game on the books so far and put out a statement really
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within the last several hours better detailing the pushback to the criticism. let's read it for you if i can. it says in part the vice president was not going to miss the las vegas memorial prayer walk on saturday and honored to attend on behalf of president trump. if the vice president did not go to indiana for the colts game, he would have flown back to d.c. for the evening which means flying directly over indiana and made a shorter trip to indiana for a game that was on his schedule for several weeks. about that criticism, you read that tweet of adam schiff suggesting this was just an exorbitant cost, political stunt, here's what it would have cost and remember, pence flew from vegas to indianapolis and then back out west to los angeles ahead of a fund-raiser yesterday. at a cost of roughly $1,600 more here. >> $16,000 per hour. >> reporter: correct. i appreciate it. the rate for air force two ickes
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hours and roughly $96,000 in all. they say official trip and taxpayers will be paying for it. >> but, but we should also say, peter, you know this, too. you have been on the trips as i have. there's also extra secret service protection from the local office, there's also local protection by officials around the venue. there are also -- they staff hospitals in case of a worse-case scenario. there are a lot of other things that click in whenever a president or vice president travels. >> reporter: i think that's exactly right. their suggestion is that the vice president had a preplanned event, he was going to the football game. wanted the pay respects to his hometown team. they were celebrating number 18, the future hall of famer and did not know that this was going to happen ahead of time and started to come up with the plan necessary if it did. at the moment he felt it was right to walk out. they insist that this was in no way a political stunt but obviously a question being raised by other aides, aides that served in the white houses and why didn't they just stay
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put in las vegas and then los angeles? questions raised about whether the los angeles police department in a position to secure a hotel given the security issues gone on now in the wake of the investigation of the shooting there and why not go in advance to willos angelesd skip the game altogether? the white house thinks it is a political winner, chris. i think that's the biggest takeaway. the white house thinks that most americans agree with them. there should not be protests by nfl players. the former press secretary for the vice president saying in effect, the height of hypocrisy to celebrate players taking a knee and then not respect the vice president expressing his own opinion deciding to leave the game. >> nbc's peter alexander as always, my friend, thank you. up next, details in the las vegas massacre. first time hearing from the officers who raided the gunman's hotel room right after the shooting. you're watching live on msnbc.
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room of the shooter, stephen paddock, are giving their harrowing details of what they found inside. >> you entered the room. what do you see? >> an armory. >> an armory? >> so many guns. so many magazines. stacks and stacks of magazines. everywhere. just in suitcases, all neatly stacked. against pillars that were in the room. all stacked up. rifles. placed all throughout. all kinds of monitors and electrical equipment he had in there. it looked like a gun store. >> shell casings all over the floor. i could smell the gun powder that had went off in the room. we were tripping over guns, tripping over long guns inside there were so many. >> joining me now from las vegas is nbc steve patterson. when you add it to other things we know about how planned this was, clearly, this is somebody who went into that room wanting
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to inflict maximum mar carnage. why? is there a working theory motive? >> reporter: that's it. they don't break new information on the investigation or motive. it's a man that planned this attack. down to the amount of weaponry, the kinds of outfitting that the weaponry had, to the wiring that was coming from his room to the multiple cameras he had installed to meet police in the event that they came up to him. to down to the trajectory of the bullets, the placement of the room, the elevation of the room so nobody could return fire unless they put the guests in danger. now we know so much about what happened in that room. we know so much about the killer's background, stephen paddock, where he lived and what he was doing before this. yet, for all of that, for all we
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know, we are still no closer to knowing the why. no motive again given in this case. been speaking to federal officials and police who have been on the ground now. we know they were searching his home. once again, yesterday. searching for new evidence. we know we spoke to his brother bruce who tells us that he wants to have stephen paddock's assets go to the victims. we've tried to make contact with his brother eric who based on reporting is in las vegas cooperating with federal officials so there is more questioning going on with the family to try to get some sense again of who this guy was and why he would commit mass murder on this scale. but again, in stark relief now just how meticulously this attack was planned. >> very quickly, when you talk about the room, one of the first things we saw seeing the pictures out of the room was a piece of paper people thought was a suicide note. officials said it was numbers.
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they think it's related to what you were saying, trajectory. a calculations for how, again, he could inflict maximum carnage. >> reporter: exactly that. this attack based on that note planned to the bullet. seeing a note like that after a mass attack you assume it's a manifest manifesto, it was a series of numbers. officials believe that they were the calculations of the bullet drop. nrds, every time you fire a round, the bullet drops slightly and the trajectory of the bullets, height, distance, range from that crowd. so again, this attack planned to the very bullet and it's haunting when you think about that, chris. >> it is indeed. steve, thank you very much. the mayor of sh charlottesville, virginia, said he's looking for legal actions. >> we have a message.
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i'm positive that more women will come forward, that i am not alone, that it was kind of a horrible kept secret in hollywood. he had kind of backed me into a corner and blocked the exit and said went in for to try and kiss
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me. and i pulled back and i said no thank you. that's when he you know, made sure that he blocked the exit and said, just down there and be quiet. >> and he exposed himself to you. >> yeah, yeah. >> in her own words, a portion of lauren sivan's chilling account of an incident she encountered with hair have i weinstein. she was never employed or saw the employment by the weinstein company. joining me is nicole spurling from "vanity fair." are we suddenly going to hear a lot more women coming forward who were afraid before? >> i wouldn't be surprised if we saud more people coming forward. obviously, this is bad behavior that's taken place over a number of years, decades. and you know, he's a very powerful man. women were afraid to come forward before. they were paid off to be quiet. so i wouldn't be surprised if we heard more stories. >> even though we have been told some of them signed
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nondisclosure ingredients. we'll see where that goes. but one of the things that lauren told me was that los angeles where she lives now, she would tell this story and would just say that's harvey. they would kind of just accept it. meryl streep put out a statement and said i just want to clarify not everyone knew. but was it if not widely known, widely suspected in hollywood? >> i think it was widely suspected. what was known about harvey were his -- was his temper and his the rages that we would hear about and the stories of hip throwing things and you know, getting really upset in edit bays and things like that. that was well documented. so it's while you know, the sexual abuse is something that's another level, it was whispered about. but it wasn't you know, not everybody knew. i think merrill's right in that regard. >> harvey's statement to "the new york times" says it was just
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the culture of the '60s and '70s. but yeah, exactly. there's actually "the l.a. times"" has an op-ed on that saying you know, most guys in the '60s and '70s didn't think this was okay, right? >> right. this is some twisted psychology that's happening there. i don't think this is -- you can blame this on the culture. i think this is a power -- this is all about power, about him commanding his power and this is all about him you know, taking women who are in vulnerable positions and taking advantage of them. >> yeah, and even women, people have suggested at the time ashley judd big star, obviously, she is was afraid of coming forward. and "the new york times" what i thought was really startling and that's a picture of rose mcgowan, what was really startling, they report if a female executive was asked to go to a meeting solo, she and a colleague would generally double up so as not to be alone with mr. weinstein recalled the former president of pleurora max
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los angeles. ashley judd says women have been talking about harvey amongst ourselves for a long time and it's beyond time to have the conversation publicly. what changes in hollywood? does anything as a result of this. >> i hope so. i hope things change. for one thing, that the culture has changed. i think victims are now being believed. we had a long period of time where stories were told and they were told privately and no one would believe them or people would say you can't go up against them, they're too powerful. i think all the accusations against bill cosby changed things. i think what happened at fox news changed things. amy ziering who is a producer who made "the hunting ground" which depicts rape on college campuses which was distributed by weinstein's subsidiary radius, she talked about the cultural change. her first documentary that dealt with rape was about -- was called "the invisible war," and
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it was about rape in the military. when that went to sundance, it was not -- she had trouble getting financing for that. when they went to her first sundance screening she told me in a story we wrote people said good luck with your rape movie. people didn't want to talk about it. then the woman she interviewed for "the hunting ground" independent 2015, she said they were very inspires about the woman who came forward in her first movie "the invisible war." >> i read again in the "new york times" they called 40 people, "a" list type people in hollywood and they didn't want to say anything. one person even said what's the upside for this actor, seth rogen, mark ruffalo, lena dunham. i said this morning we got the statement from meryl streep. but largely, the biggest names in hollywood have been quiet. are they going to have to account for that? >> well, self-preservation is a big deal in hollywood. it's a small business. people are notorious for not
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wanting to talk on the record about anything. it's not surprising for anyone who covers hollywood to know how reluctant they are to do this. but it is interesting that is where this conversation is going towards the people that have been somewhat complicit in this over the years. i think hopefully things will change. but you know, we've had people come forward and women testify against other sexual predators and nothing has changed. >> i just want to say my colleague mika brzezinski said if is he wasn't gone, she was going to give up a lucrative book deal. i say good for her. people can step forward. nicole spurling, thanks to you. >> thank you. >> thank you for watching this hour of "velshi and ruhle." ali and stephanie will return this week. right now it's "andrea mitchell reports." >> right now, uncorked. a powerful republican senator popping off against president trump's derogatory tweets calling the white house an adult daycare center and the
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president's threats to north korea sending america down the path to world war iii. that's a quote. >> i think secretary tillerson, secretary mattis, and chief of staff kelly are those people that help separate our country from chaos. >> political gain. vice president pence walking out of the colts game when the opposing 49ers take a knee in what many are called preplanned publicity stunt. the vice president denies that with the cost of the trip though out of bounds. >> this looks like a pr stunt to me. he knew our team has had the most players protests. he knew that we were probably going to do it again. >> and forced out. one of the godfathers of hollywood, harvey weinstein, is ousted from the company he cofounded with his brother after a flood of sexual harassment claims against the mogul from

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