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senator bop corker, slamming him for deciding not to run more re-election. corker is fighting back making sure the president's actions of endangering the country and could risk world war iii and tweeting that the white house has -- and i quote -- "become an daut day-care center." >> we worked with senator corker over the years but finds tweets like this to be incredibly irresponsible. >> the white house is also waging a new battle on immigration. the white house is demanding a border security crackdown in exchange for protecting young, undocumented immigrants known as dreamers from deportation. and in that's not enough -- the headlines continue about potential staff shake-ups at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. here to help us work through all of this chaos, kristen welker, my colleague at the white house for us, and garrett hake on capitol hill.
kristen, i want to start with you. we have not heard anything today, really, from the president on this spat with bob corker. what are you hearing behind the scenes? explain a little bit about just what set this off. >> reporter: haven't heard anything yet, kasie. of course, the day's not over. we do know the president went golfing with senator lindsey graham, trying to essentially have outreach with one top republican as he's feuding with another. in terms of what set this off -- let's take a step back. lindsey graham has been a longtime is a a porter of president trump's but then became sharply critical of him after that highly controversial response to the violence in charlottesville and then last week, remember, kasie, you had bob corker essentially saying that secretary of state rex tillerson, james mattis and the chief of staff here john kelly are standing between this white house and chaos. behind the scenes, the president infuriated by those comments.
it's not clear if that's what specifically set off the president, but we do know that this weekend's tweet storm seemed to come in the wake of that. you had president trump taking to twitter essentially, accusing senator corker of being responsible for the iran deal. also saying that he decided not to run for re-election because the president wouldn't endorse him. something that senator corker said wasn't the case. he then went to the "new york times," and did this interview with them. really explosive, in which he said the president could be putting the country on a path to world war iii and this, kasie a "he concerns me. he would have to concern anyone who cares about our nation." this is significant for two big reasons. one, bob corker is, as you know better than anyone, kasie, one of the top republicans. will we see more republicans come out and start to publicly criticize the president? and then there's just the practical part of this. the fact that the president's trying to get tax reform done. immigration overhauled.
set to rule out a policy towards iran later in the week. of course, corker is the chairman of the senate foreign reses committee. so he's going to have an impact on all of those policy points. this is a very tricky strategy for this president to pursue, kasie. >> yeah. and kristen, my sources tell me, we know bob corker picks his words very, very carefully. he is somebody who learned how to send a message to this president through what he says on public, in public and on television. you mentioned as well, i want to change gears a little. the immigration overhaul that the president is looking for, and i think that we have a little bit of the president talking about that from earlier today. let's take a look and then talk about it. >> mexico will pay for the wall. >> just in case there's any question, yes, mexico will pay for the wall. >> mexico will pay for the wall. >> mexico will pay for the wall. >> when i say mexico's going to pay, they all laugh. they all go -- they think it's funny. >> forgive me.
not from today but the many compilations the president said mexico will pay for the wall. garrett hake, you're covering congress, it's ones who have to essentially sign the check to paper f pay for the wall. how is that going? >> not great, kasie. there are plenty of immigration hard-liners who support the president more broady will, but it's unclear he would have the votes, if there was ever sort of a straight-wall vote to come up. you have folks who have tried to preempt the president on this. the most notable one to me is john cornyn, number two senate republican who before the last big recess put forward his own pretty robust border security plan that had money in it for upgrades and technological changes and some pieces of wall potentially sort of a way to say, okay, look. we're building "a" wall, "some" wall, maybe not building "the" wall. there doesn't seem to be, maybe, the momentum, certainly not 60 votes worth. hard to figure a way that could get to 50 on it. remember, this was the point of
the chuck and nancy immigration deal. to deal with a lot of these stormy immigration issues and mib get democrats onboard with the daca changes as the carrot for democrats leaving the wall set aside, but the conversation and the talking points at the white house, that they've put out, unless they are just an opening offer, have completely turned off democrats from the possibility of working with the president on this, because they don't want to build this wall. and they certainly don't believe that mexico will ultimately pay for it. >> all right. from capitol hill, and from the white house for us. thank you to both of you. appreciate it. now, one of the most jaw-dropping comments from corker about those attacks from the president was his tweet yesterday morning. he wrote -- "it's a shame the white house has become an adult daycare center. someone obviously missed their shift this morning." it's, of course, the chief of staff, john kelly, who has largely been seen as the adult in the room at the white house.
but what he hasn't been able to control is the president's twitter finger. he's been chief of staff now just over two months, but he has been pretty isolated, and he doesn't seem to be asking for much advice from any of his predecessors, at least according to a new report by politico, the author of which we are joined now on set. annie, you spoke to somebody in the white house who said kelly doesn't see the experiences of these former chiefs of staff as relevant to his job? >> yeah. i started to talk to a lot of former chiefs of staff about what they thought about kelly's job here, and this really is kind of a tight group of bipartisan group. rahm emanuel called saying my line's open, in the past relied on edge other. >> like working for a former president? right? >> exactly. if you haven't sat in the chair. don't know what it's like. it's considered second hardest job in washington. a lot of people said they haven't heard from kelly. i talked to the white house.
kelly doesn't see, for a bunch of reasons, doesn't see their experience as being particularly instructive for what he is at the white house to do. >> what are his reasons not thinking it matters? one is that he has 40 years of experience in the military overseeing, managing men and wi women. a product of where even his career, he doesn't think he needs help in terms of understanding how to manage an organization. the other is, he's only 9 second modern day general after hague, served in the nixon administration. different from the civilians in the past. obviously, the biggest one is the guy in -- >> in the front office? >> bears so little resemblance to his predecessors. if you think about it, i was torn. interesting kelly isolated himself more than predecessors. on the other hand what will he learn from calling rahm eplanwell? >> almost more in common with president trump than with president obama from a personal
point of vunchts triew. >> true. a unique situation having something like donald trump sitting in the oval office and sees his job first and foremost, managing paper flow, we will see how he does in terms of actually helping to pass any domestic agenda for this president. how he will be graded. i've really been wondering. we've all had a lot of faith that john kelly is, making things better in the kwous. >> one of those three it's as against chaos, according to corker. >> a lot of people see it that way. if you paid attention less, or not paying attention don't care reince priebus left and john kelly came in, would you notice a difference the past six months to this six months? i don't know you would, hard to say. we'll continue to find out. and for more, the unpredictability of the white
house, someone who has set in the chair in the west wing. andy card, former chief of staff to president george w. bush and deputy chief of staff to his father, george it's h.b. bush. thank you for taking time to be here today. h.w. bush. >> thank you. >> i was talking to annie a little here about general kelly and his receptiveness to hearing advice from people like you. have you spoken to him since he took this office or not? >> i haven't spoken with him but we've exchanged messages, and i think he's doing a very good job. it's not unusual for chiefs of staff to kind of get buried in their job and not focus much on what other chiefs of staff did. great empathy from everybody who has been a chief of staff. no mat irtheir philosophy or what party they served, a great deal of empathy and tremendous mutual respect, how difficult the job is and the type of work need ed ed to be done. i'm not surprised to not hear
from general kelly. he knows i would pick up the phone and answer if he called at any time, but i'm not expecting a call unless he truly thinks he needs some help. >> what would your advice be to him watching what has unfolded in the white house? clearly, president bush very different man from our current president. >> first of all, he's brought discipline to the white house. that's very important. he gets very high marks for controlling access to the president. i don't mean that in a bad way. i mean it in a constructive way. after all, the one common denominator for everybody in the world is you have to live by the same clock, the calendar. so the chief of staff's job is to make sure the president doesn't waste his time, or that other people don't waste the president's time when he's supposed to make the middle eos brutally difficult decisions. presidents make tough decisions and it's the chief of staff's job to make sure the president is in position to make the tough
positions no matter when required. 2:00 in the morning or two months from now. the chief of staff manages that process. i understand that, i know general kelly understands that. he gets high marks from me bringing organization and strush structure to the white house and introduces discipline to the president himself, which is always a difficult tank tsk, bue president xzibiti iexhibiting bn the first six months in office. >> particularly difficult. in fact, the president asked about kelly over the weekend and here's what he had to say and we'll talk about it after. >> when you think the president is wrong you have a duty to present to him the best facts and thinking to help him see it in a different light. maybe you can't, but if he doesn't, no, do it my way, your job, move out and execute. if you felt strongly enough, then you have to resign. >> forgive me, mr. card.
senator tom cotton talking a little about -- >> wise counsel, too. yep. that was -- no, no. look, the president has the tough job. chief of staff even tougher, because sometimes he knows more than the president. which sounds arrogant but it's not. because the chief of staff has to decide what the president knows and when he needs to know it. so that's an important part of the responsibility. but having disciplined on the staff helps to bring discipline to the oval office, and really you want the president to recognize the burden that he is carrying that other people help him carry, and so it's good to have the president see the discipline around him and that may introduce more discipline to him as he does make the tough decisions. so i think general kelly is moving in the right direction, and he really does demonstrate to me that he understands the role of peripheral vision and tunnel vision, and he understands strategic responsibility and tactical responsibility. and that's important for the chief of staff to do and i think
the president benefits by having general kelly on the staff. >> so can i ask you briefly, senator cotton said you, there is a duty to resign if, in fact, you don't agree with what the president is doing, or if they don't listen to you. do you think we're anywhere near a point it seems as though general kelly might be considering that or should be based on what you're seeing? >> that is entirely up to general kelly, and the president, and, remember, everybody who works at the white house serves at the pleasure of the president, but are not -- the job is not to try to please the president. it's actually to give him the tough information and the candid counsel he needs to do the job. you shouldn't work to try to please the president when you serve on his staff. you have to help the president do the job and if he loses pleasure with you, your time is up. you're gone. that's okay. everybody understands that. but general kelly i think recognizes that the president is going to make decisions, and the president's decisions to make, they aren't the chief of staff's
decision or the staff's decision. the president gets elected to make the tough decisions. if you can't respect how the president make as decision, you should leave. if you disagree so strongly with the decision that the president made, and refuse to implement it, you should leave, but that very seldom happens. you understand when you accept the responsibility that you're helping the president do the job, but you're not the president. >> wise counsel there from around card. nbc news political analyst, former white house chief of staff for president george w. bush. mr. card, thank you very much for taking time today. >> remember one america and send your money in to help the five former presidents as they raise money to address the challenges from all of those hurricanes. >> thank you very much for that. very excellent reminder we should be very much focused on that recovery. mr. card, thank you. up next -- president trump takes to twitter saying that focusing on policy negotiations with the rogue north korean regime hasn't worked in decades. only one thing will work.
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countys. eight wildfires burning through the region and powerful winds up to 70 miles an hour along with high temperatures and dry conditions, giving many residents no choice but to evacuate. nbc's joe fryer joins me now from santa rosa, california. joe, what's the scene like there? >> reporter: kasie, this is the aftermath of the largest of those fires so far. we are in santa rosa. you can see behind me a number of homes have been destroyed by this fire, and it's not just what you're looking at in this shot here. we just continue to walk, all you see is house after house after house, all that's standing is the brick columns almost acting at grave markers for all the homes in this neighborhood destroys. we're told there are about 64 homes in this neighborhood as far as we can tell every single one of them is gone right now. this is a fire that started late last night. just to the east of here in calistoga. only about 200 acres at the time, but quickly it blew up.
before long, 20,000 acres. think of that. multiplied by 100 in a matter of hours fueled by incredible wind gusts. gusts that exceeded 50 miles an hour pushing these flames quickly into neighborhoods, taking basically embers fr s fs fires, shooting them out and starting new fires in new areas and happening at night when you can't attack from the air making it very hard for fire departments across the region to catch up with the fires. we know all in of all the fires we're talking about in northern california, about 20,000 people have been evacuated. 1,500 homes and businesses have been destroyed. kasie? >> joe, thanks so much, and our best wishes with those residents in california who will be fighting against this. thanks very much, joe. and there's more evidence today of russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election using social media. google now saying it discovered russian-bought ads across many of its platforms including
youtube and gmail. the tech giant is looking at a set of ads that costs tens of thousands of dollars. this latest discovery is not linked to that same kremlin-affiliated group that bought ads on facebook, but it does indicate a broader russian effort to spread misinformation. google had originally downplayed russian interference on its platforms and later launched and investigation after meeting with members of congress. and defense secretary mattis is saying the military needs to have options ready when it comes to north korea. >> now what is the future hold? neeth are you nor i can say. so there's one thing the u.s. army can do. and that is, you have got to be ready to ensure that we have military options that our president can employ if needed. we currently -- we currently -- are in a diplomatically-led effort. >> the united states is pursuing diplomatic de-escalation.
this comes after president trump took to twitter to reassert that earlier suggestion of military action against north korea saying our country has been unsuccessfully dealing with north korea for years. policy doesn't work. joining me, vice president for national security at international policy at the center for american progress, and former acting assistant secretary for asian and pacific security affairs at the d.o.d. kelly, after the president's calm before the storm remark, the president tweeted, sorry. only one thing is going to work. what do you think about this rhetoric? i mean, how big is the risk here? bob corker said we're on the verge of world war iii. >> there is a big risk. i've been dealing with north korea for quite some time and right now is the most worried i've been about a potential provocation that sets off a conflict, an accidental war, so to speak. i think the rhetoric from president trump is not helping the situation. it's doing one of two things.
either making kim jong-un think we are are going to come after his militarily or making kim jong-un think the president is a paper tiger. both are bad for the united states. both bad for president trump. >> how is kim jong-un different from his predecessor? more dangerous, more acceptable to this rhetoric from the president? >> one thing in mind, self-preservation and has determined to pursue his nuclear capability come hell or high water, determined in terms of nuclear and missile tests and will keep going. president trump is basically goading him in to doing that. >> your view, some republican critics i talk to, a lot of nervous about what president trump is doing and saying, but also are not necessarily sure what president obama did worked. what policy mistakes did we make over the course of the last ten years that led to this situation? >> you know, this is always a challenging scenario. important now is for the president and his national
security team to be finding the space between war and acquiescence. there is policy space there. doing some of that on the sanction front, it's good. more can be done on that. especially with respect to china. certainly they need to keep diplomacy on the table and diplomacy without preconditions. i don't know why it's taken off the table in this instance. we need it the most, de-escalate and get to talks. >> sounds like a little disconnect between the president and his national security team. >> it's a bit. >> you mention russia as well. russia has been calling with china for restraint after the president's comments on north korea. i mean, almost sounds like -- we're used to them potentially, especially russians, being more belligerent in foreign affairs. doesn't seem to be the case here. >> be careful. russians don't share the interests in this either and definitely like to make trouble. whenever putin comes in and offers to be helpful, you shouldn't take it seriously, but it's certainly, you know, the united states has a series of
options at its disposal. secretary tillerson tried to pursue those and had the rug pulled out from underneath him. secretary mattis, trying to eve emphasize diplomacy. the world is watching and this disconnect is dangerous for the united states. >> and those three men, the only things standing between us and chaos. thank you for taking the time. former assistant, acting assistant for department of affairs and defense. thank you. coming up, vice president pence walks out of a colts/niners game after nearly two dozen players take a knee during the national anthem. was pence's protest choreographed by the white house and how much did it cost you the taxpayer? that story, after the break.
during the anthem. this was long planned, receiving great praise for leaving the game after players showed such disrespect for country. joining me now, host of sirius xm radio's "make it plain" and former tennessee titans linebacker colin allred, also running for texas -- excuse me, for congress in texas. colin, i want to start with you. you've got an op-ed out today with some pretty strong words about what happened, and what's been going on. explain, what's your view of what the vice president did here in walking out? >> well, thanks, kasie. i think this is a taxpayer-funded political stunt and something that's happening at a time when our country really needs to be brought together following what's happened in las vegas, with the natural disasters going on around the country, some of the concerns people have on the ground here. here in dallas county we have 20% of people without health insurance. so many 24ithings people worry
about now and this is a bad time for this kind of divisive behavior we're seeing from this vice president and from this president and from this administration. >> so after he left the game, mike pencive oured this statement. i left today's colts game because president trump and i will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers our flag or our national anthem while everyone is entitled to their own opinion, i don't think it's too much to ask nfl players to respect the flag and our national anthem. colin, you played in the nfl. what -- put it in context for those of us who obviously have not been out on the field. what does it mean to stand there with the flag flying? i've heard some people try to explain the idea that they would take a knee as an attempt to show respect, some sort of difference between taking a knee and refusing to stand. put us inside the minds of those players. >> i think those players are not
trying to disrespect or military or our flag. i think they're trying to challenge us. i think they're trying to challenge us as a country to live up to the ideals of our flag. live up to the ideals that our military is brecht iprotecting. i think those guys are aware of the platform they have, young people are looking at them. aware of their influence as nfl players and want to use it to make a positive exchange in our society. i think it would be so great if we could have the president or vice president who could use this as an opportunity to bring us together and give us some things to work towards together instead of dividing us further. >> mark, let's talk a little bit here about what this actually means from a logistical perspective. this was clearly a political decision that was made, but they had to fly air force two out to indianapolis, bring the president -- or the vice president there. it cost $16,000 an hour, and $96,000 for a six-hour trip on air force two. how does this look for the
administration? >> thank you for having me, kasie and good to see you, colin. looks horrible. kasie, you have been on these planes during the campaign and what have you. a pretty big operation to do this. and they even tipped themselves off. they let the pool know they shouldn't get out of the car. this might be a brief visit. so that absolutely proves it was a stunt, and i agree with colin. we need to bring the nation together. especially after vegas and so many other tragedies. puerto rico, virgin islands. all the things -- we need to bring the country together. donald trump with the help of mike pence are still engaging in divisive, seditious, in fact, behavior. sedition is is a high crime and misdemeanor, special counsel mueller, if you're listening, but the notion that any of these players are disrespecting the united states, disrespecting the flag, disrespecting the military is false. players have their own reasons.
we know colin kaepernick had his reason and many players i think agree with him. we flow about the police violence that african-americans disproportionally and about the injustices. then trump jumped into the middle of it and obviously a number of players, coach, staff members even owners came out to take a knee as well in defiance of trump's disrespect. and then just in the past 24 hours you got jerry jones threatening to bench players who don't stand for the anthem. see, i think we have to really think about whether or not these players are going to be treated as real human beings with freedom of speech rights, prevgted understaprevgt protected under the constitution or treated as some have said as well paid slaves. they aren't, and they have the right to stand, kneel, sit, whatever they want to do, especially when it's on behalf of other citizens in this
country who have as many rights as anybody else. >> colin, can you weigh in on that? i mean, the president has said that owners are afraid of their players in these instances. you've been in, you understand what it's like to be player to work for a team, has a personality as an owner, and what is the relationship like there? how much of a threat? what kind of blowback does jerry jones risk, or will he come out with a stronger hand? >> the players take a big risk. they are. the nfl, a conservative institution, they know the owners have a lot of control over their careers. we don't have guaranteed contracts in the nfl. i actually think in a lot of ways some of these guys what they're doing is extremely brave. >> yes. >> and i want 20 sto say, kasie regardless whether or not we agree or disagree with their decision to take a knee, we as americans have to agree on the right to do that and i hope owners will respect that right.
and that they will understand that their players are individual human beings with feelings and statements they want to make. to allow them to do that and maybe embrace this a little bit and use this as a positive to raise a conversation, or what we can do better and move forward together as a country instead of continuing to divide us. >> colin allred, mark thompson, thank you both. up next, the nation's growing opioid crisis is touching nearly every community. our kate snow join meese after the bre -- joins me after the break. a 9-year-old boy, a victim, at one time lived with his heroin addicted mother and stepfather. . don't let type 2 diabetes get between you and your heart. even if you reach your a1c goal you are still at risk for heart attack or stroke. talk to your health care provider today about diabetic heart disease.
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opioid addiction. joining me now with more on this national crisis and how it affects children is nbc's kate snow, traveling across the country covering the personal toll of this epidemic and has been working on this for many, many years. kate? >> hey, kasie. we've been all over the place. increasing concern about really a generation at risk, because of opioids. because too many kids are living in households where that's a disruptive factor. parents are addicted. in utah, we recently went, 1 in 20 babies born there is born with opioids in its system. 1 in 20. we went to salt lake city to look at the impact that it's all having and how desperate parents are doing almost anything because of the addiction they have and the impact that that has on their kids. >> i want to go get your homework. >> reporter: this 9-year-old just started living full-time with his father stetson near salt lake city. moving in with his father after
his mother and stepfather were arrested both using heroin. tell me about fourth grade. >> it's very hard. >> reporter: it is. >> the math. >> reporter: over legos, he told me why he missed a lot of school last year in third grade. you missed the bus sometimes? >> yeah. >> reporter: how come that would happen? >> well, because i woke up by myself, got ready by myself and, yeah. >> reporter: he says he would often make dinner for his two younger brothers and take care of his newbore sister. >> one time at night my 4-year-old brother woke up and started crying, and then my littlest brother woke up started crying, too. >> reporter: why were they crying? >> mom and dad weren't there. >> reporter: sounds like you kind of had to take charge sometimes? >> uh-huh. >> reporter: yeah. his father and stepmother had no
idea. >> had e would say he was tired. sleep almost all the way here. >> reporter: in june, an emergency phone call from utahal division of family and child services, his mother and stepfather r5e69ed f edarrestedg and admitted to something unthinkable. when hagan's sister was born they knew she would be addicted to heroin since her mother used during the pregnancy. the stepdad told police he secretly rubbed opioids to prevent her from going into withdrawal and having seizures. >> they realize they can keep the babies from having symptoms a period of time. get discharged then they might bypass being reported. >> reporter: and having the child taken away. >> and having the child taken away. >> reporter: this doctor has been at the hospital 38 years. a little baby in here right now who's in with withdrawal? >> yes. >> reporter: the hospital has a regimen to care for newborns in
withdrawal. parents circumventing the system don't. >> they put their child at unbelievable risk to have seizures and even death. >> reporter: when police discovered what happened to hagan's newborn sister, sammy and stetson initially took in the newborn, hagan and his two brothers. they had all four children drug tested. >> what did they find? >> they found that the baby girl had meth heroin and morphine in her system. the 2-year-old and 4-year-old had meth in their system and our 9-year-old didn't have anything in this system. >> reporter: stunning information to take in. >> it was awful. >> reporter: hagan's three siblings have since going to live with their biological grandparents and he knows his mom and step dad are in jail. >> yeah, i know everything. >> reporter: you do? >> everything. same old thing. >> reporter: can you tell me? >> that -- they did drugs. yeah. they -- gave my little sister
drugs. >> reporter: are you kind of angry? >> yes. very. >> reporter: sammy and stetson tell hagan he no longer has to be in charge. >> we're the parents, we're going to cook dinner. we got this. >> reporter: signed him up for boy scouts and encourage him to play with friends. >> something we can get him to be a kid again. >> reporter: needs to be a 9-year-old again. >> yes. >> reporter: luckily he is a 9-year-old again. medical teams in utah are doing everything they can, kasie. encouraging people not to hide symptoms or not to hide their history with drug use saying they can do the best for the babies and they need to come forward and be honest about things. in this particular case i note the stepfather pleaded guilty to child abuse and the mother of hagan, her case is playing its way through court right now. >> just an incredibly difficult story to watch. >> it is.
>> so very glad hagan was clearly -- i can't imagine. very glad to know these safe now, kate. thank you so much. tune in tonight to nbc's "nightly news" for more of kate's reporting in "one nation overdosed." her series looking at the impact heroin and opioid addiction is having on children across the country. and then coming up -- movie mogul harvey weinstein fired from his own company over allegations of sexual misconduct. we'll bring you the latest on the growing scandal surrounding the disgraced tinseltown mogul.
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he kind of backed me into a corner and blocked the exit and said -- went in for to try and kiss me. and i pulled back. and i said, no, thank you. and that's when he made sure that he blocked the exit and said, um, just stand there and be quiet. >> and he exposed himself to you? >> yeah. yeah. >> wow. that was lauren sivan, a news anchor from los angeles telling my colleague chris jansing her account of an incident involving media heavy hitter harvey weinstein. overnight weinstein was forced out of his own company. the board of directors which
includes his brother issued a statement saying, quote, in light of the new information about misconduct by harvey weinstein that has emerged in the past few weeks, his employment was terminated effective immediately. but the statement doesn't specify what kind of misconduct. his ousting follows directly after a "new york times" expose detailing numerous allegations of sexual misconduct that spanned decades. nbc's not independently confirmed these allegations. the hollywood mogul is known for his hit movies like "pulp fiction," "good will hunting" and "silver lining's playbook." some of the features some of hollywood's biggest names. he came with this rationale, quote, i came of age in the '60s and '70s when work behavior and culture was different. that was then, i have since learned it's not an excuse at the office or out of it.
joining me is gabe sherman, msnbc contributor and "vanity fair" special correspondent. gabe, i hardly know where to start with this story. you've obviously been very much involved in covering the allegations at fox news and kind of how all of this has exploded into the publish consciousness over the course of the past few months. what has changed that all of this information is coming to light now after so many years of being swept under the rug? >> that's a great question, kacie. we are definitely in a different cultural moment. post bill koz by, post roger ailes, post bill o'reilly. women come forward speak about this shameful behavior that powerful men like harvey weinstein have allegedly done. that said i think another thing that you can't discount is the fact that harvey weinstein's power and his grip on hollywood has diminished in recent years. you know, at the height of his
power when he was making stars like matt damon, like again gwy paltrow, there's a polarizing effect and now i think women have felt that culture to break as harvey weinstein seemed more vulnerable in the fact that his company, the weinstein company, has been not a hit maker like it was. and his brother and other members of the board felt like they could push harvey weinstein aside without it damaging the business. >> one difference it seems to me is that many of these stories seem to have been told before. >> uh-huh. >> whether it was in a previous encounter with a reporter or to friends, but oftentimes the woman in question wouldn't actually name harvey weinstein. i know a lot of women i know working in washington around, you know, people who are in power, you come into contact with things like this all the time. >> uh-huh. >> but that, again, as you point out that kind of the change here
being that suddenly the rules are a little bit different. do you think gretchen carlson set off this chain of events with her willingness to go public with roger ailes? i mean, he was still very powerful at fox news. >> of course. >> when that happened. >> yeah. i think without question it's now been over a year now since last july when gretchen carlson filed her lawsuit. and that clearly sent shock waves both through the media industry but through the wire culture because here was a man like harvey weinstein was feared and ruled through intimidation, coercion. and here was a woman, gretchen carlson, willing to come forward and challenge and accuse roger ailes publicly in a lawsuit of sexual harassment. so i think without question that has been a major event in movie culture thankfully to a better place, but i think also on the other hand it's a little sad we're in 2017 and women still feel the pressure and the difficulty to come forward.
this behavior that harvey allegedly perpetrated should have no place in the workplace or out. and it's kind of shocking that he even thought that just because he came of age in the '60s or '70s that that somehow was justified this behavior. as i pointed out this morning, there are millions of men who have very successful careers who did not abuse and harass women. so i don't think the two things are necessarily linked even though he tries to connect them. >> yeah. and that original statement where he called himself an old dinosaur which explains away all my behavior, right? i agree that was quite remarkable. gabe sherman, thanks so much for your time today. really appreciate it. >> yep. >> we'll be right back, but first, president trump is quick to defend tossing paper towels into a crowd of people at a hurricane relief center in hurricane ravaged puerto rico. >> they had these beautiful soft towels, very good towels, and i came in and there was a crowd of a lot of people and they were screaming and they were loving and everything. and i was having fun. they were having fun.
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and this just in. espn says it has suspended sportscaster host jemele hill for two weeks this after she tweeted yesterday, quote, if you strongly reject what jerry jones said, the key is his advertisers. don't place the burden squarely on the players. espn says in a statement that they are suspending her because it's her second violation of their social media guidelines.
jerry jones of course urged players, said he would bench players that knelt during the national anthem. that wraps up this hour for me on msnbc. thanks for watching. you can always find me on twitter, instagram, snapchat, facebook, i can't keep up with all of it anymore. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. gop senator bob corker has effectively pulled the curtain back on the worst kept secret in washington by calling the white house adult day care, and warning that the president's recklessness threatens world war iii. while those working in donald trump's white house have long maintained that we should want them there to protect america and the world from donald trump's impulses. another former national security official privately called them all enablers. corker once on the short list to serve as donald trump's secretary of state said in an interview with the "new york times" yesterday that the president was treating his office like a,