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mutual offense, what was the president talking about? he said it could be a three-way, a two-way or no way, what did you understand from what he said? >> should we preparing canadians for the prospect mr. trump will -- >> you said you'd be ready for anything, what is the anything you're ready for? tonight donald trump on the attack after a critical report by nbc news the president charges fake news and wonders the networks like nbc shouldn't lose their right to be a part of the free press. plus did steve bannon really say that about the president? and the concern some are voicing over what they see as an unstable, unraveling man in the oval office, a man who doesn't sound like himself to old friends, doesn't seem to like the people in his hoorbit.
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the charges are serious. we'll have a serious conversation about it when "the 11th hour" gets under way. and good evening once again from our nbc headquarters in new york. day 265 of the trump administration. he also hosted the canadian prime minister justin trudeau at the white house where the pair talked about trade among other topics. but once again this white house did not spend its business day on offense, advancing its agenda, played defense instead. on a story played out by a team from nbc news says, quote, president trump wanted a ten fold increase this past summer with a meeting according to three officials in the room. the president of course labeled
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the report fake news. >> are you discussing nuclear options? >> no, i never discussed it. that was just fake news by nbc, which gives a lot of fake news. no, i never discussed. i think somebody said i wanted ten times the nuclear weapons we have right thou. right now we have so many nuclear weapons. i want them in perfect condition, perfect shape. that's the only thing i've ever discussed. i want modernization and total rehabilitation. it's got to be in tiptop shape. >> again, today's story is about the u.s. nuclear arsenal, easily the most fearful single power of the presidency. it's a topic candidate trump talked about a fair amount in the years before taking office. >> do you have oo priority? because i want to go to senator rubio after that. >> i think nuclear, just the power and devastation is very important to me. look, nuclear should be the off the table. >> when you said that, the whole
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world, the japanese, they're hearing a guy running for president of the united states talk of using nuclear weapons. no one wants to hear that from a president. >> then why do we make them? >> can you tell the middle east we're not using nuclear weapons? >> i would never say that. i would never take any cards off the table. >> what about europe? would you use it in europe? >> no. >> then just say it. >> look, i am not taking cards off the table. i don't want to rule out anything. i will be the last to use nuclear weapons. it's a horror to use nuclear weapons. i am not be a happy trigger like some people might be. i think once the nuclear alternative happens, it's over. at the same time we have to be prepared. i can't take anything off the table. >> a sampling thereof what we have heard on camera from him.
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in august on this network joe scar borough reported. >> several months ago a foreign policy expert on an international level went to advise donald trump, and three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons. three times he asked at one point if we had them, why can't we use them? that's one of the reasons he has -- he just doesn't have foreign policy experts around him. >> trump asked three times. >> three times an an hour long briefing why can't be use nuclear weapons. >> and it was that summer meeting when the president reportedly made that remark about our nuclear weapons, which brings us to where we are in
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present day relationship with the president and let's not forget secretary of state rex tillerson. the report goes onto say the july 20 meeting was described as a lengthy and sometimes intense review of worldwide operations. it was soon after the meeting broke up that officials who remained behind heard tillerson say trump is a moron. >> i think i have a little bit different attitude on north korea than other people might have. and i listen to everybody, but ultimately my attitude is the one that matters, isn't it? that's the way it works. that's the way the system is. >> our lead off panel tonight. carol lee, nbc news national political reporter came to us from the wall street journal and was one of our bylines on the report of the president and our nuclear arsenal. one of several stories she has broken lately.
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jeremy bash, former chief of staff and animist nbc national security analyst. and jonathan lemere, white house reporter for the associated press. also animist nbc political analyst. welcome to all of you. >> carol, i'd like to begin with you. we heard denials to your story carefully worded denials as your story was carefully worded. set it up with exactly what you're reporting and what the denials were. >> sure. what our reporting showed, and to be clear we talked to three people who were in this july 20th meeting, ask it was not a very large meeting. it was at the pentagon in a secure room known as the tank. and essentially the point of the meeting was to walk the president around the world and say here's the military assets we have in this area, here's the number of troops here. and as part of that whole presentation, they did a presentation on the nuclear arsenal. and they showed the president a slide with a chart that looked at the u.s. arsenal from the
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1950s to current and the russian arsenal from the 1950s to current. and the president looked at the chart, according to these three people in the room, and saw the point at which it was highest and said why don't we have that, why not that many? let's get those, and i don't want this other, you know, 4,000. and so essentially saying i want to have a nuclear arsenal that's almost ten times as large as it is now. and one of the interesting things about that is the people in the room didn't take him literally, and they basically said, look, here are all the reasons why that's not feasible. we are bound by treaties. this would be a major budgetary restraints that would be incredibly kbensive. and also it's just not necessary. weaponerry has changed so much since the u.s. arsenal was at its peak, and there's a whole
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bunch of conventional weapons. the u.s. president's comments was one of several in this meeting that took his advisers a little off-guard a little bit. >> jeremy bash, i have a few questions for you. what's preventing us from adding to our arsenal? what's the chain of command, in other words who gets to launch? and what scares you about the reporting of carroll lee and her colleagues? >> this shows a fundamental misunderstanding by our commander in chief on the role of our arsenal and what's in it. we have far more nuclear weapons than we have war plans for. in every region of the world our regional leaders develop war plans and they say how many weapons do we need, how many nukes do we need. it will cause proliferation and make the use of nuclear weapons that much more likely. the reason i'm so concerned is because in our system only the
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president can order a nuclear strike. and once he gives that word, his word are taken literally, his order cannot be countermanded by anybody. >> anybody up and down the chain, five stars, three stars so on. >> no. the president says go, we go. >> after that sobering note, you were out on this story a couple weeks back. you too reported on this meeting at the so-called tank in this pentagon. specifically the way they drew donald trump in, remind our viewers why were trump's businesses around the world invoked at this meeting? >> july 20th has become in ret row spect a pivotal for this administration. the president in weeks prior to that meeting had questioned the need for a robust american presence around the world. and in particular they were discussing on what to do in afghanistan. so secretary tillerson, defense secretary mattis, other top
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officials, other senior white house aides gathered in this windowless room in the pentagon known as the tank and mattis in particular took the lead in delivering this saying mr. president this is why we need embassies here, this is why we need forces here, this is why we need this base here. and to put it into context the way the president best grasps this information, a lot of maps were used, diagrams explaining in particular why this was was needed for americans, in particular one business most of all, the trump organization, to say this is why americans around the world, their businesses are safeguarded by this presence out there. and explained to him why this mattered. now, the result of this meeting did lead to a rare win for secretary tillerson, which was pushing maintaining the force in afghanistan, the president weeks later did agree to that, even slightly increased the amount of
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force we're going to have there. but the under current was not just afghanistan. it was sort of explained to the president why all this matters. >> jeremy, you're a veteran of the tank. i assume after the years at the pentagon and i assume the room speaks of some seriousness upon entering. >> yeah, that's the room where the chairman, the vice-chairman and joint chiefs of staff meet regulary as a group, with the secretary of defense. and one of the paintings in the room is of course of president lincoln bringing our country together after the civil war. it's a very sobering room. it's concerning to hear that the senior national security leaders of our country would have to explain to the president, the president's only financial bottom line. >> carol, to your piece, let's
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start with the president on twitter, with all the nak news coming out of nbc and the networks, at what point is it okay to challenge their license? bad for country. licenses must be challenged and if appropriate revoked, not fair to public for the record. nbc news doesn't operate on a license, but local nbc news stations broadcast with licenses. then our friend former campaign strategist, steve smidest wrote this on twitter tonight, the attack by trump on the first amendment today is likely the most un-american sentiment ever uttered by a president of the united states. can't think of another. not to be out down, there is always historian michael begs loss back on the board on twitter reminding us about richard nixon floating the idea to challenge "the washington post" owned stations, their licenses. we've been here before.
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carol, first of all congrats on breaking the first amendment. i'm wondering how it feels to have this much pressure and talk exerted and talk surrounding the story you filed. >> well, look, we feel like this is a very important story, it's a very serious topic. and i have to say, you know, none of this surprises me. yes, the president escalated, you know, his attack on what he calls fake news. but, you know, i fully expected him to respond this way. this is how the president responds to any news report he doesn't like. it's just -- and, you know, it keeps ratcheting up. when you look at the story, you can't -- the importance of this, particularly at this moment when the united states is in a, you know, the highest tensions that they've seen with north korea and the president's about to throw the u.s. nuclear deal with iran into uncertainty, this is window into how this president thinks about the most serious
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issues that any president faces. and so it's not fake. and we expensively reported this. and we spoke with a number of people, and including three of whom were in the room, and each of them had the same thing to say about how the president conducted himself in that meeting. >> i'll take your window metaphor and raise you. jeremy bash, this is all a window into the world. they can also hear, jeremy, loose talk about nuclear weapons, the only nation ever to use them in anger and kill hundreds of thousands of people. >> i think the president's position on expanding our nuclear arsenal on talking about only military options with north korea, brian i would rather have one first amendment than 30,000 nuclear weapons. that one first amendment
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protects far more than any nuclear weapon could. >> and remembering the chain of command, this is also being watched by people with stars and birds on their uniform, people with stripes and people with barmizech and people all down the line who are charged with keeping these weapons tiptop shape ready to go, as they say in south korea, ready to fight tonight. >> of course, this talk comes at a time when the nation is facing a number of foreign policy crises. you mentioned north korea. the decision on iran looms. this is president still relatively untested on foreign policy. this is president when first dealt with his international cries over the summer used phrases like fire and fury. he made personal insults of what he felt was north korea's aggression. he took it personally. he wanted to latch back.
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there were people very concerned about perhaps the stability of the leadership structure in the united states, about the president's willingness to use this or at least express an interest in growing dramatically our arsenal when most military experts around him say there's no need. >> our thanks. thank you all being part of our lead off panel. coming up the president speaks about the divide and republican party in this new interview tonight. plus a new poll finds over half the nation says the president is unfit to serve. in other words, it's just another wednesday night as "the 11th hour" rolls along. in fact we're just getting started. when you have a cold stuff happens. shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength
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i've met some great, great people that are republicans, and i've great some people -- frankly, i've met some good people, not necessarily great people that are democrats. and i actually think we'll have democratic support. the one thing with the democrats, they stay together like glue. they're lousy pall tigs and their policies are terrible, but they do stick together. we have great policies but the republicans tend not to be unified. >> that was the backdrop, a hanger full of supporters prior to the president's speech and that it aired afterwards. president trump tonight with a kind of backhanded compliment there for democrats. again, he sat down to be interviewed with shawn henty in pennsylvania. today's interview comes on a
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heels of a "the new york times" revealing fresh frustrations inside the west wing. some stemming with inside relationships with those outside his senior staff. quote, chief of staff jun kelly and increasingly unwilling to be managed even just a little. the person close to the white house said the two men had engaged in shouting matches in recent days. the president has started to call people more on the weekends from the cellphone, didn't used to do the person said. noting that trump often calls hannity after the fox news host nightly show. tonight of course trump was hannity's guest. he took time to tout his tax play, talk about the progress of the border wall, and down-play the possibility of russian collusion during the campaign. >> russia was an excuse used by the democrats when they lost the
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election. they said, why did you lose the election? they said, it was russia. it wasn't russia, it was a bad candidate. and then they say ah, it was trump that colluded with rusha. this was an excuse by the democrats and people got carried away. >> with us to talk about all of it phil rucker, anita cume ar, and sam stein now politics editor for the daily beast and animist nbc political analyst. mr. rucker, i'd like to start with you. first of all, you hear there the language of a threat of an existential challenge to his own election. we hear it often and in those words. second, we also hear words that are serious that grab you and
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get your attention like "unraveling" and "unstable." we haven't heard this since nixon's sullen days, his days of depression in the white house. phil, this is serious language. >> it really is. and i can tell you i'm hearing it from people inside the white house and outside. there's a lot of concern about this president's foul moods. he's generally been unhappen in this office for many months. he's concerned. he's had frustrations, moments of tension with chief of staff john kelly. although i should note there's no inldication that kelly is going to either be fired or quit imindependently, that's for sure. and you're right it's a historic moment here, and we should take this seriously. >> anita, a question i always try to ask you. how did the trump agenda move ahead today? >> well, the president was out
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there trying to get back to tax reform. that was what that vet you talked about pennsylvania was. he tried to use that to talk about other issues. i heard very familiar things in that interview. things he wanted to get out, and he had a very friendly audience there cheering him on with shawn hannity as well. so how did it move forward? they're trying to move forward on tax reform. but this is after the last week of dealing with criticism how he handled puerto rico and the hurricane. and then his tweet storm about senator bob corker on sunday. he got off topic, and he's trying to get back on. and that's just not the way things are going to get done. >> sam, how far is this from normal -- >> and quite. >> where is congress these days?
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>> and correct me if i'm wrong but i think the corker thing really opened things up. >> extraordinary. >> and i thought this interview with shawn hannity, what was interesting about the interview was looking after the interview when hannity started talking to his audience members. >> i saw that. >> and i they all love trump and all hate the republican congress. and there's a real break part of it much facilitated by trump. when we talk about the inability of trump to move his party, its this skisism where he doesn't quite realize he needs them to do tax reform, he needs them to do health care. the harder your job is going to be. >> but then you have this collusion at t
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collusion at the polls in 2018, 2020. he's talking about the effect of a splinter team, the folks that have may have "r" after their name. but it's going to be a different branch, a nationalist bannonite branch. >> if you run a primary challenger against basically everyone that they will vote for the trump agenda. it's possible bob corker did not say these things until after he wasn't running for re-election. but there are going to be some republicans who i guess say you know what, i'm not dealing with this. i'm going to go out on a limb and if it costs me my seat, so be it. >> that'll be interesting to see. speaking of the president's mood and temperament because it is germane of the news you and i
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talk about on this broadcast. you talk about the iran deal in which the president threw a fit. tell our viewers about it. >> he's throwing a fit on this iran deal because we've had these quarterly deadlines. every three months the administration has to certify whether iran is complying with this nuclear agreement. and he's been convinced the first two times in april and again in june to move forward, to certify iran's part of the deal. he's been convinced of that by tillerson, and others and he sort of lost it the last time around. and that was an indication to a lot of people in his cabinet that the president wanted a different solution. so they came together to figure out this way for him to be able to decertify the iran deal, which he's expected to do later this week while still punting it to congress to basically buy some time and keep some structure of the deal in place.
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and that's the compromised they've settled on. >> anita, some of these things in foreign policy have timers on them, they have reminders like an iphone. they're cyclical. these are things that compel involvement. >> right. definitely. and the iran deal is the first thing on his list that he has to determine in i guess the next few days here. also the white house has announced that trump is going on an extraordinary trip. he's going to five countries in just about three weeks to asia. that will be very key. he's going to south korea and china. and north korea is looming very large. there's so many things on his plate right now, domestic and foreign policy. some things just can't wait. >> our friend is going on that trip. kicking the iran deal in congress, is that a start of
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what exactly could go wrong? >> actually, i don't think so because a key member in congress, vocal grittic of the iran deal came out today and said we need to enforce it and keep it, which i thought was an inimportant tell. what i don't understand why the administration wants this. we're already in a standoff with north korea. do you really want to throw a nuclear standoff in the middle east, especially when your own administration is saying iran is in compliance with this deal. it's sort of like we're in a little bit of a crazy land here where you're going to say they're not but the people say they are. i'm not sure what the end game is here. all i know is the top people around donald trump is going to do it but in the minimum way possible. >> thank you all for coming on
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with us tonight. and coming up a bold new prediction on how the trump presidency may end from someone close enough to trump to have an educated opinion about this. that and more when "the 11th hour" continues.
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welcome back. thanks for being with us. "vanity fair" is out with an article on this presidency. it's called "i hate everyone in the white house, trump seethes
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as advisers fear the president is unraveling." steve bannon told trump the risk to his presidency wasn't impeachment but the 25th amendment, the provision of which a majority of the cabinet can vote to remove the president. when bannon mentioned the 25th amendment, trump said what's that. according to a source bannon told people he thinks trump, quote, the president has only a 30% chance of making to full term. joining us tonight michael steele, former chairman of the republican party. both are msnbc analysts. michael, what do you make of that? if a heart surgeon said i'm going to open you up, 30% chance we're going to be talking on the other end. would you take that chance?
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>> probably not. with bannon you never know. i think what bannon was getting on that not so much the president was somehow in peril, but sort of re-emphasizing to him why the mission was so important and to make it very clear he's got enemies on all sides, even inside his own cabinet. and the fact of the matter is they want to hunker down now. bannon has declared war on the republican party. nationally he's going after imcumbent elected officials. now even talking about governors and state legislators. and so this is big problem, and i think that is just sort of a one off. i don't think that bannon is sitting there thinking that the president won't make it through the rest of his term. i think he's just emphasizing the importance to the president of just how difficult those around him have been for him. >> well navigated, mr. chairman. you've heard the phrase, both of
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you gentleman, ripped from the headlines, this is the headline of eugene's column. "trump has more than three years left in his term, what are we going to do?" okay, mr. pulletser prizewinning communist, what are we going to do tonight? >> i have listen to your show. it has been frightening. let's look at the "vanity fair" piece, which i read and i was trying to imagine the content. i assume steve bannon was saying the 25th amendment is going to happen because you are unfit -- that your president is out to get you, that your vice president and cabinet may decide they may want to get you, that
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they're your potential enemies too, that is pretty insane thing for the president's chief strategist to be telling him. and i don't think that happens in a normal white house. but this is not a normal white house, so what are we to do? my solution is that congress steps up and does what the constitution says it should do. we have checks and balances in our system. congress can investigate. congress can provide oversight, the white house mainly has the power of the purse. the senate has the power to advice and consent. and congress needs to step up. and frankly constrain this out of control president. >> both eugene and michael are going to stay with usch we're going to fit a break in and continue our conversation on the other side. and coming up a long time friend of the president tells "the washington post" he is shocked and stunned by some of what the president says, but to what end? again, our conversation continues right after this. ...isn't it time to let the real you shine through?
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welcome back. this is what we mentioned just before the break. long time ally and friend of the president tom berric weighed in today telling "the washington post," quote, he thinks he has to be loyal to his base. i keep on saying but who is your base? you don't have a natural base. you your base now is america. show them who you really are. in my opinion, he's better than this. a new poll out today shows the president's approval rating at 38%. and according to this poll most people, 55% do not think donald trump is fit to serve as president. back with us two very smart men on this topic, eugene robinson, michael steelee. mr. chairman, i can't believe i just said those words. most people do not think the
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president is fit to serve. >> yes, a stunning revelation for the administration and to the president for sure. i feel like there's sort of hanging out to a bubble that really blinds the administration and the president to what people are starting to pick up. yes, you've got this solid group of people in this very narrow corner of the gop that's behind you no matter what. but as you noted his friend telling him you're bigger than that, and the urld with is bigger than that. and you now have to speak to a significantly more important group of americans. and that's all of us. and i think the president is having a hard time squaring that, and it shows on a day in and day out basis. he still thinks he has to be and dedo a reality tv president as opposed to just beelg president. >> eugene, we've all talked about the people around the president who say the best way to reach him is through the media, the media you know he
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sees and reads. the tom berric interview was so interesting in that respect. do you think it's a way in? do you think he's doing a favor for people who are trying to prevail here? >> you know i have no way of knowing what sort of conversations he might have had with people who wanted him to get a certain message to the president. but i think that's certainly a reasonable theory of how this came to be. and i think he certainly whether on his own behalf or on behalf of others was trying to get a message to the president. i read that story as a way of speaking to the president at length about his problems. you know, every president in my lifetime has at least attempted to speak and govern and embrace yo beyond his base. some have been more successful, some have been less successful.
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but everybody has attempted to do it except donald trump. and i think you see the results. the intense on these sort of anti-trump camp just goes up and up and up. because he doesn't reach out to them at all or try to communicate with them at all. and his base shrinks. this is not a stable situation, a stable political situation. >> and mr. chairman, last word if you can do it in 30 seconds. >> sure. >> do you take bannon lit ral and seriously when he talks about primary incomdants, that no one is safe thathey're coming for you? >> i do because he already has. and he's done so successfully. the party better wake up and pay exactly attention to what's going on. >> on that note, gentleman, thank you. another great conversation. eugene robinson, and michael steele, thank you both. coming up the talk that many people is too casual, too
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reckless, too dangerous about nuclear war with north korea. that and much more when we continue. (cheering) a triangle solo? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money sam and yohanna saved by switching to geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.
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as you may have heard president trump today said perhaps he feels stronger and tougher on the subject of north korea than other people around him do. but a new ap norc poll shows most americans don't approve of his approach. quote, the poll found 65% of americans think trump's comments have made the situation between the u.s. and north korea worse. only 8% think he's making the situation better. with us tonight to talk about this, jeremy bash, a civilian veteran of the pentagon has been kind enough to stick around and join us for a second round tonight. also joined by retired u.s. army
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veteran jack jacobs. jack teachers future second looun lieutenants at west point how to avoid the mistakes of the past. what concerns you about all this about loose talks of nuclear weapons and north korea. >> i'm more complacent about north korea than most people. >> why? >> i think it's unlikely that kim jong-un is going to do anything silly because his whole purpose in life is to remain in power. and launching an attack on the united states is dysfunctional to achieving that objective. >> and what about the home team? >> that's different altogether, which is why it's important to
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have people around the president who try to instruct him on the right thing to do. having said that, the president at the end of the day can do whatever he wants, and that is concerning. >> jeremy said you can lunge, tackle, say stop, don't do that can try to make a phone call down the chain but you can't stop the command. you further said they drill on this three times every cycle. >> it's possible in the korean context we could be looking at a variety of conventional situations. it's important to note, though, brian, in war breaks out on the peninsula, it's not just between north and south korea. under our war plans and agreements with south korea, the commanding general of u.s. forces korea takes command of all republic of korea forces and we fight as one military against the north. >> i think the thing to be most concerned about with north korea is a mistake. i don't think anybody's going to try to do something outrageous
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on purpose, but a mistake will definitely cause a lot of trouble. >> how should americans, peaceful americans, taxpayers, think about our nuclear arsenal, since there is so much talk about it and the president takes every opportunity to say we should have the nicest, the greatest, the most modernized. >> the largest number of w warheads. we have a million, billion warheads. we have plenty. i think what you can say is we need modernization. that takes money and time. but having lots more nukes is not going to make us safer. it's likely to make us less safe. >> it's also on a hair trigger, which means is can be deployed very rapidly. many people have said it may not be necessary to have as many weapons on a hair trigger and i think given the current context, that deserves a relook.
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>> do you regard the opponent here as an already nuclear north korea? >> i think you must assume that it is. and there's not much chance we have of changing that because the independent variable here is china. i don't think china's going to have a positive effect on the outcome. i think it just a matter of time before north korea has a deliverable nuclear weapon, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to use it. remember that kim jong un's principal function is to stay in power and launching an attack on the united states and one of its allies is disfinancialdysfuncti achievement of that. >> why is it the on nation on earth to have set off nuclear weapons in anger, they have flown through two of our bombay doors and no other nation gets to kind of be the arbiter of who else gets to have them on the planet? >> well, look, this is a no
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nonproliferation regime that was set up. we're down to our benefit. we're down to a nuclear power. but we want to make sure iran does not go nuclear, that north korea does not expand its nuclear weapons stockpile. so i think our interests in the world are for nonproliferation and limit the availability and use of nuclear weapons. >> there was a great danger that north korea will then export even more of its technology to act as we do not now have nuclear weapons and who will do us -- who don't have our interests at heart, that's a real danger. >> and god forbid shots are ever exchanged. isn't there an equal chance that the kind of fighting that could take place between south and north, again perish the thought, is the kind you served in, k kinetic warfare of the classic variety? >> much more deadly because you're talking about enormous number of soldiers on both sides. we have the capability of
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unleashing an enormous amount of conventional capability on the north koreans, so do the south koreans and the chinese. it could be a mess. >> the president has taken away the power of diplomacy. he said i'm not interested in that, only one thing will work. >> gentlemen, we'd like to have you both back. we feel the need to keep talking about issues like that. thank you both. >> coming up, an update on americans who need attention in two very different places. it's not the magic-wand kind. it's the rfid-collar-and- internet of things-kind we created with chitale dairy. so every cow can let farmers know how she feels and what she needs to be healthier- (phone vibrates) all with a simple text. tah-dah. magic can't make digital transformation happen. but we can. that's the power of vmware, part of dell technologies.
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last thing before we go here tonight is a gentle reminder to remember our fellow americans in northern california and in puerto rico, victims of two very different and violent displays of nature. it's now been 21 days from hurricane maria made landfall in puerto rico. the government announced today the death toll has risen to 48.
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the "guardian" quotes fema as saying the government and its partners are only providing 200,000 meals a day to meet the needs of over 2 million people who need food. they also report fema's contract with world central kitchen, which provides 20,000 meals a day in puerto rico expired on tuesday. it will, quote, take several weeks for a new contract to emerge. "the washington post" reports over 80% of puerto ricans are still in the dark without power. take this one example, a caguas, home to 100,000 people. this frame shows it visit at night, the next frame after maria hit and the final frame shows it this week as some lights have reappeared incrementally, most of them apt to be from generators. meanwhile, firefighters in california continue to battle wildfire that in some cases can
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move faster than they can run. it's hot and dirty and urgent and relentless work and some of these firefighters among the bravest of all first responders have been working 40 hours straight. and in that region where big fires are given names, the largest one called the tubbs fire is just 3% contained and on the run. another, the atlas fire, also 3% contained. 560 people are so far unaccounted for, in part because when the fires approached them at night, some families just got out, got in the car and drove off. 110 evacuees have been found safe. look at what is left of neighbors and lives. please keep them in your thoughts. that is our broadcast for tonight. thank you so very much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
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got a lot going on in the news tonight. legendary investigate of reporter from reuters is here tonight. he has a scoop that answers a mystery about the russia investigation that has been lingering for months now and mark has got the goods on that tonight in a way that nobody else has been able to get. we've also got jody kantor here live tonight for the interview. he was "the new york times" reporter who broke the news about hollywood mega producer harvey weinstein and the numerous, serious, sexual assault and sexual harassment allegations against him. she broke that story last week in the "new york times." it has become a super nova in the news. it's worth appreciatg

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