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week doing everything he can to take apart his pred did he say so -- predecessor's legacy piece by piece. he will not recertify the iran deal. a move that pits him against his advisers. many in congress and the world. >> history has shown that the longer we ignore a threat, the more dangerous that threat becomes. iran is not living up to the spirit of the deal. we cannot and will not make this certification. i am announcing a new strategy to address the full range of iran's destructive actions. we will work with our allies, counter the regimes, destabilizing activity. we will place additional sanctions on the regime to block their financing of terror. we will address the regime's
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proliferation of missiles and weapons. we will deny the regime all paths to a nuclear weapon. >> hours earlier, president trump released another wrecking ball. this one aimed at obamacare. the white house announced late last night, it is ending a key obamacare subsidy that make insurance more affordable for millions of americans. >> one by one, it's going to come down and we're going to have great health care in our country. we're going to have great health care in our country. >> the president has said that he and republicans will not observe the affordable care act. you heard him say it a moment ago. again, if you break it, do you buy it? a lot to get to this friday the 13th. let's debrief with our reporters and alice. let's start at the white house with nbc's kelly o'donnell. then we'll head over to iran with bureau chief ali arouzi. >> you were there as he
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addressed reporters with melania. he is doing everything he can right now to, again, dismantle president obama's legacy. what is the strategy? >> well, it's a fire hose friday here at the white house. two speeches and now an impromptu q and a with reporters where the president, appearing a bit more confident after his big speeches today. ready to articulate some of the reasons behind this. defensive on issues related to health care. for example, saying that the csr payments, which have been part of the aca and known as obamacare to supplement insurance companies to help them provide lower premiums to those with lower incomes. he is cutting those out. he defended that as saying it is for the insurance companies. he ignored the questions about the impact on real people who need that health care and can't afford it without some sort of subsidy. the president also talking about iran laying out his -- laying out his view on that.
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he was saying that he may, in fact, still pull out of the deal. wants to compel iran to do something differently. here's what the president had to say. >> we will see what happens with iran. we're very unhappy with iran. they have not treated us with the kind of respect that they should be treating -- they would love me to stay in for one reason. look at the kind of money being sent. iran is spending money in various countries. i've always said it and i say to them, don't do anything, don't worry about it. take all the money you can get. they're all friends of mine. actually emanuel called up and he talked to me and i said, look, they just gave renault a lot of money. take their money, enjoy yourselves. but we'll see what happens. iran has to behave much differently. >> there the president is talking about some of the relationships he has with
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leaders in europe. emanuel meaning macron, renault, the french automaker. of course, the european leaders want the united states to remain the part of an agreement where they are signatories. again, using that phrase we often hear from the president x we'll see what happens, leaving things open endsed. this is a more nuanced approach than what you heard on the campaign trail where the president is saying that it's still possible to rip up the deal. but this is an interim series of steps to try to compel iran to do things differently. to try to put in place some other kinds of nonnuclear constraints on iran, dealing with financial support through terrorism, different sorts of things. would not in and of themselves erode the deal but would, from the trump administration's point of view be a tougher deal. european leaders were not looking for this. of course, israel, a close partner who has really been against the iran deal, fearful of the iran deal, they have been
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brought in and are happier with this approach with the united states doing different things. katie? >> quickly, the president was thinking about labeling the islamic revolutionary guard a foreign terrorist organization. >> yes. the reason they are not doing that, according to secretary rex tillerson who we had a chance to talk to in advance of the president's speech, is that there might be instances kind of on the world stage where the united states or our allies could interact with the iranian revolutionary guard in ways that if you designate them as a terrorist organization would compel certain actions. that is not necessarily in the interest of the united states or some of our allies. they're taking a step to cut off their financing ability for terrorism. again, it's more nuanced and more subtle than we're accustomed to with the trump white house, but that's the reasoning behind not going quite so far even though many believe they're actively engaged in supporting terrorists. >> kelly, as you were talking we got a statement from the heads
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of state and government of france, germany an the you cuni kingdom. the leaders of france, germany and the united kingdom take note of president trump's decision not to recertify the compliance with a plan of action the jcpoa. the congress and are concerned by the possible implications. theresa may was on the phone with president trump as late as a couple days ago imploring him not to -- not do this. to say that it is important that they stick by this deal in order to retain stability in the middle east, in order to retain some sort of influence over iran. ali arouzi is in tehran. i imagine that the iranians are deeply unhappy about this. >> reporter: that's right, katie. that would be an understatement. they are very, very upset about this. they were anticipating it. there were anxious apprehension amongst ordinary iranians who
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were hoping to see the fruits of the nuclear deal. but the regime was anticipating this. they've been talking about this for days. there's been a big buildup here today. the president of iran is due to give a speech any moment now to address what president trump just said. but the revolutionary guard have come out firing. if there was any encroachment on them, if they're labeled a terrorist organization, if there are sanctions, their response would be crushing. a senior commandser from the guards came out today and said we've buried many like trump. we'll bury them again and we're used to fighting america and we'll defeat them. this is language that we hadn't haef heard for a while. the iranians feel they needs to ratchet things up and setting the stage for renewed -- there's a lot of overlapping interest between america and iran in the region. despite not being labeled a terrorist organization, the irgc
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are going to see this as very hostile and it's going to make it a very uncomfortable and dangerous situation in this area. also, if the president wants to amend parts of this agreement, i can tell you that's not going to fly with the regime here. they said there's no renegotiation whatsoever. >> kelly o'donnell at the white house. nbc tehran bureau chief, ali arouzi. thank you very much. i'm joined by columnist and msnbc con trib teu david ignatius and bill richardson who was also -- who also served as secretaries of energy under president clinton and governor of new mexico. gentlemen, i want to read a little bit more from this declaration from the uk, france and germany. i think it's important. they almost seem as if they're trying to lecture or reminds the president what went on and what was involved in making this commitment. they say, we stand committed to the jcpoa and its full implementation by all sides preserving the jcpoa is in our
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shared national security interest. the nuclear deal was the culmination of 13 years of diplomacy and was a major step ensuring that iran's nuclear program is not diverted from military purposes. the jcpoa was unanimously endorsed by the u.n. security council in resolution 2231. the international atomic energy agency has repeatedly con firmds iran's compliance with the jcpoa through the long-term verification and monitoring program. therefore, we encourage the u.s. administration and congress to consider the implications to the security of the u.s. and its allies before taking any steps that might undermine the jcpoa, such as reimposing sanctioning on iran lifted under the agreement. bill richardson, what do you think? >> well, i think this is very bad national security policy. the practical effect is that
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iran is going to enrich uranium and build nuclear weapons. now we're going to have north korea and iran, two rogue nations with nuclear weapons. north korea already had them. secondly, we've angered our allies. this is our cornerstone, european union, france, britain, germany, russia, china are also signatories. the agreement is basically nullified because we're the big fish in this operation. thirdly, we're going to lose leverage over iran where we want to have leverage on them. we want them to stop fundsing terrorist organizations. we want them to recognize israel and not be hostile. we want them to release three americans. we want them to be more responsible in yemen and syria. we've lost our leverage with this act. it's another isolationism move by the president. yesterday we got out of unesco.
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today, we're going to do the iran deal nullification. what's next? are we going to pull out of nato next? i can't wait. >> this is nationalism according to the president. david, the president sees this as a win. why does he see it as a win? >> well, the president likes to disrupt, he likes to destabilize and toss grenades. when he does, he sees that as shaking things up and calls it a win. i disagree a little bit with governor richardson. i don't think this is the nullification of the iran deal. the president has opened the possibility that he would terminate the deal if iran doesn't agree to changes. i don't think iran will agree to changes. that's down the road. i just would note a really interesting point about this european statement that you read at the outset of our segment. the europeans are expressing strong disagreements with president trump's announcement, yes. that's important. but it's also interesting that iran had said i've been told by
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one iranian official directly that, if the europeans announce they would continue adhering to the agreement, to the jcpoa as it's called, that iran would probably also continue to adhere to it. >> interesting. >> that's one significant aspect of this statement. >> david, what would that mean for the united states if iran stays in with the uk, france and germany? >> i think to be honest, we're entering a periods of limbo. it's the sort of situation donald trump loves. he'll issue lots of comments like watch out or we may do this. all sorts of these destabilizing statements. congress will be working on language that will seek to incorporate as goals essentially permanent duration for the agreement, will seek to get better inspection rules, but we'll be in this limbo periods for a while. in the end, it may blow up the
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deal. but i think it's a little early to say that. >> bill, how is north korea going to responds to this? >> well, north korea, our main demands with north korea is you have to change your behavior and you have to denuclear eyes. a kssuming there's an agreement where they curtail their missile activity, their nuclear activity, they're going to say, yeah, we're going to sign an agreement with the united states. but once they don't like it, they can pull out. why should we do this? they're going to look at the examples of libya, they're going to look at the examples of other countries we signed agreements and say why should we do an agreement? i know that's down the road. with all due respect to david, you know, this is not good. i mean, look, europe is very unhappy. iran is not going to comply. they're going to move ahead with their enriching uranium. that revolutionary guard that is very hard line, they were
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against the agreement in iran. they're going to go full steam ahead. let's build our nuclear weapons. look how hostile america is. i hope that doesn't happen. you know, this art of a deal of the president, i don't see what we're getting in return. we're getting nothing in return. we're becoming more isolationists. we're rejecting our friends. we're being national is particular. yeah, that helps the president's political base of 35%. where is that in the interest of the national security of the united states? i don't see it. >> the "washington post," david ignatius and former new mexico governor, u.n. ambassador, bill richardson, je, thank you very much. dismantling day doesn't stop with the iran deem. the president is taking a sledgehammer to some parts of obamacare. states are already planning to sue, including california. the state's attorney general joins me for his first tv interview since announcing plans to sue the administration. i'll speak exclusively to a
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despite multiple promises to let obamacare implode, president trump is delivering some
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potentially fatal blows of his own. over the past 24 hours, the president announced two major moves to crush his predecessor's signature legislation. overnight, the white house announced it would end federal subsidies paid to insurance companies, a move that could ultimately hurt low-income americans. this comes after the president signed an executive order that would allow insurance companies to sell cheaper plans across state lines with fewer benefits and consumer protections. he touted both decisions just last hour. >> that money is a subsidy for insurance companies. take a look at their stocks. look where they are. they're going through the roof. that money was a subsidy almost you could say a payoff to insurance companies. what we have to do is come up with great health care. that's what i did partially yesterday that's going to cover a big segment. now, for the rest, we have to come up with -- if the democrats were smart, what they'd do is come and negotiate something where people could really get
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the kind of health care that they deserve being citizens of our great country. >> the attorney general of california, javier ba cera who plans to sue the trump administration over the cost of subsidies and other attorneys general joins me now. thank you for joining us. what is the grounds to file this lawsuit? >> thanks, katie. well, it's as we've seen in the past. the trump administration is deciding not to follow the law. everyone has to follow the law. every one of us has to pay our bills. just because donald trump is president, doesn't mean he doesn't have to follow the law or pay the bills. in this case, the president is deciding to break the law, the affordable care act's law so that people can afford their health insurance, their premiums, deductibles and co-pays. he's being arbitrary and ka prishs appreciation he's deciding to
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break the law. one of the final ways -- every executive in the white house has to do everything possible to take care to faithfully enforce the law. he's not done that. >> republicans say the executive order that did this that obama signed in the first place was an overreach of executive power and that donald trump is essentially just righting the ship. >> katie, i was in congress in 2009-2010 as congress was writing this laws. i was on the ways and means committee and i was a member of democratic leadership. when we put this law together, we did not mean to have an executive decide which of the subsidies for americans that would be paid and which wouldn't. it was, they worked in tandem. the subsidies to make sure premiums stayed low and the subsidies to make sure the co-payments and co-insurance and dee doubleer duct believes -- president trump is deciding to -- >> california's own marketplace has said that the majority of it is subsidies.
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78% of them won't see any change for consumers. why is it a fight that's worth having in california? >> california, we've had the most success in implementing the affordable care act. we're doing everything possible to show our state and our people from the ill effects of donald trump's actions. donald trump's dismantling will have a high cost on everyone, including the state of california. we're just better prepared to try to shield ourselves from it. it's still going to have a high cost in california to keep their health insurance and for california taxpayers who have to pay more to make sure that all of our families are yshder insured. it's too high a cost. donald trump is dismantling and too much of a breach of the law to allow that dismanting to occur in california or any part of the country. >> what other states will be joining you? >> there will probably be most of the same 19, 20 states that joined us in our action to intervene in the previous court action to make sure we got to defend the law.
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there were about 20 state attorneys general, including the district of columbia that joined us in that action. we believe we'll have most of the same states joining this action as well that we're filing today. >> california attorney general javier besser a. >> thank you very much. here to separate fact from fiction is ali velshi. >> break it down for us. >> let me go through some of the things going on in these cost sharing reductions. csr. basically these are subsidy payments to insurers that help low-income americans pay their out of pocket costs. their co-pays and things like that. the amount that the government was set to pay in 2017 was $7 billion. some of that's already been paid. $10 billion in 2018. here's the part -- >> the effect of ending the csr are not going to be lowering the amount that the government pays for health --
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>> can you hear me properly? >> i can hear you. >> can't hear me. i want to fix this and come back. >> we can hear you. >> fair enough. >> i want to make sure. somebody told me it wasn't working. >> your mike is not on. i'm going to stand -- hold on. >> don't come over. you tell me when you can hear me. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6. >> live tv everyone. >> can you hear me, control room? is that working? >> ask them if they can hear me. >> going to walk over to you. >> but you're going to see -- we're not supposed to show you. >> here's the issue. if you stop the cost sharing reductions, the government over the next decade, it's still going to cost them about $194 billion. because people who are low-income are actually guaranteed the subsidies by law. there's no savings. people will pay more for their insurance and there's no saving to the government which makes it seem weird. these states calculated with the cost sharing reductions in place
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under obamacare. this is what the premium increases would have been in 2018. now that president trump has decided to take them away, this is what the increases will be. this is the most important part of this. if you are trying to tell people that premiums are going to go down, that's a lie. pennsylvania is going to see 9%. michigan 17, it will be 27. georgia, 31. it's going to be 54%. maryland they didn't do the math. >> it seems a bun daptly clear from these numbers that the people are going to be hurt by this are low income and average americans or potentially all americans who have insurance from the marketplace. >> if you remain in the marketplace, all the healthy people will leave. >> what is the point of trying to gut it? why would you want to gut it. >> the point is, if you don't need to be on the marketplace -- let's say you're healthy, you don't have preexisting conditions, things like that, you go into an alternative plans that president trump is
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suggesting that he's going to build. you get -- you may actually pay less. let's say i have a preexisting condition or i want one of those essential health benefits like maternity care, i have to stay in the marketplace. some americans will actually see less of an increase. everybody else is going to get a much, much, much bigger increase. it defeats the purpose of insurance pools. same thing here. delaware, everybody except alaska gets an increase. alaska stands out -- >> murkowski wasn't for the repeals. >> alaska's insurance market rates are the highest in the country. >> got it. >> this is a function of the fact that it was that expensive and it's coming down. pretty much everywhere else, if you have to remain in the marketplace because you couldn't, you don't work, you're not on medicare or medicaid and you have a preexisting condition or need insurance, you'll see big increases. >> ali velshi thanks for joining us. sorry about the mike. >> it's my faults. >> it's interesting live tv.
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you can catch ali velshi at 3:00 if you didn't know that or 2:45 when he wanders into my set. moving on, we're getting an update on the shooting. the massacre in las vegas. we'll bring you that news when we come back. also ahead, i'll speak to an american doctor who went to puerto rico to save lives and what she saw made her quit. so we sent that sample off to ancestry. my ancestry dna results are that i am 26% nigerian. i am just trying to learn as much as i can about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it's a hat, but it's like the most important hat i've ever owned. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at
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get his own look at what's left of the island much he's supposed to talk to reporters soon. more than four weeks after the territory was devastated, over 80% of the island remains without power and people are desperate for water. they're drinking from wells and hazardous waste sites or unpurified creeks and streams. the cdc is investigating deaths associated from what should be treatable bacterial infections that were perhaps caused by dirty water. today the president tried to reiterate his support for puerto rico. but for many the words rang hollow since yesterday he tweeted that fema, first responders and the military can't be there forever. his administration has been criticizeduerto rico or lack th. here's the story on why they could ring true. there are groups of doctors, nurses and paramedics known as disaster medical teams.
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a senior leader with one of those teams who has nearly 20 years of experience treating patients after disasters, like the earthquake in haiti or fukushima quit over puerto rico. why? because she's never seen anything like this before. dr. mona con assent pictures of what she says was a "spa day" orgds by volunteers at health and human services department, the medical staff. a spa day that was held in a triage tent. a triage tent that was supposed to be sterile. supposed to be treating patients. and said it was a place where local puerto ricans could give the staff cut rate manis and pedis. i find this gross misuse of taxpayer funds and abuse of our privileged positions absolutely abhorrent she wrote to her superiors at the department of health and human services. we're joined now by phone. she's a former senior medical officer with the texas for
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disaster medical assistance team. she's also a staff member at the desert regional medical center in palm springs, california. thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you, katie. >> health and human services just september us a statement about this. they say that they have 3,000 patients that they've been treating. after learning of this incident based on information gathered so far, hhs removed the person responsible and that individual will be sent home. they also say that this is not something that should be embl emblematic of the work being done by those on the island. the life-saving work performed by hhs. so my question to you, doctor, is that they say they've taken care of it. they say the volunteers who were involved don't represent what they do down there. and they say that they're going to adequately dismiss the person who was in charge.
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so what's the issue? >> well, first of all, it's such a flagrant abuse and done so cavalierly and so openly that simply dismissing the person from one deployment is certainly not an adequate response. in addition to this person having marshall the service providers, snuck them into the tents and made the services a available to her friends, the command staff, which is the staff which is the leadership of that particular team was complicit. they knew about it. they agreed that this event should go forward and the fact that the team is still on the ground doing what they're doing is laudable. but not this very infect actual and impotent response.
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>> why didn't you say something on the ground there and try to fix the situation while you were there? after all, there are so many people out there who are, as you know, in desperate need of medical attention. >> well, katie, you have to understand the way that these teams work. i know if you're not boots on the ground, it's difficult to even imagine. but i was the only team physician on that particular team that was left while most everyone else had a day off, had a few hours off, i did not -- was not afforded that luxury simply because there had to be a doctor in the critical care and the triage tent at all times. i was the only team physician that was left. the way that i find out that this was happening is i went over, i walked over to one of the other tents to get some lunchbox for my patients who i was seeing and i opened the door of the tent and that's the sight that greeted me. i wasn't told about it
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beforehand. i wasn't invited to partake in the spa day probably because they knew i was the only doctor there and had to see patients. there wasn't time. my duty was first and foremost to the people of puerto rico. this is why i joined the team, to be available for disasters and this is why i went to puerto rico. >> were they not seeing patients because of this spa day? were they neglecting people because of this spa day? >> well, our patient load had slowed down in the one or two days leading up to this spa day. we had a mission that was too decompress the emergency department of central med coe depart rico which is the big teaching hospital in san juan. while we were extraordinarily busy, our patient load had slowed down. the peefl leaving to go into tents for their service, they were -- i can't say the patient care suffered because of it.
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but i can say that they did that on the taxpayer dollar and they did it on taxpayer time. >> hhs is worried and they don't want this to be emblematic of the entire program that they have. all of these volunteers that respond to natural disasters to help people in need, do you think that the program should be painted in a broad-brush in this way? >> well, i'm one person. i was on one team and i saw this happening. there are hundreds of disaster workers that went out on dozens of different teams from all over the united states, katie. i don't have the eyes to look at what's happening with all the other teams. have we done some great things? sure. i twoent puerto rico to help people and i think i helped dozens of people and that's what we were there for. so i can't speak from the 30,000-foot level, which is what
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the officials in washington, d.c. can address. i can speak from boots on the ground from my particular team. >> why do you think this was happening? i'm sorry to interrupt you. why do you think this was happening during this disaster? you were in haiti, fukushima. what was different about this disaster? >> well, let me be very clear and be very factually correct. while i have been on the national disaster medical system team, which is called the disaster medical assistance team as you stated for almost 20 years and have had about roughly nine or ten deployments, my international deployments are through ngos. nongovernmental organizations. i don't want to mix apples and oranges. the international work through different vehicles. the work that i do in the united states for disasters has been through the dmat team. why did this happen in puerto rico and why not in superstorm
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sandy or the september 11th attacks is -- your guess is probably as good as mine. probably because of the close proximity of the people that we were working with. probably because this particular person who was the charge nurse by the way, so she was in the leadership role of the group. she's the one that made the decision to do this because she was given an incredible amount of leeway to kind of run things the way that she wanted to by the command staff. >> the response on the ground in puerto rico has been criticized pretty heavily. there are puerto ricans who don't have access to clean water, a great number of them. some are breaking into superfund sites, hazardous waste sites to drink from water in wells there. there are puerto ricans drinking from rivers or streams or creeks, not purified water. there's a very serious risk right now of bacterial infections from that. there's concern by the cdc that
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people might be dying from this. what is your message to this administration, to americans at home about what needs to be done right now in puerto rico? >> well, i think that the approach to send relief help is the correct approach. i know that there's teams in very remote areas of puerto rico that are trying to do the best that they can. what i will say, though, and this is very important, is that amongst these teams of the disaster medical assistance teams, the dozens throughout the united states, that the one provider that is sorely lacking in many of the teams are physicians. and so the recruitment effort for physicians must be stepped up because honestly, a team mostly comprised of nurses and paramedics can only do so much without physicians on the team. the physicians are the ones that need to direct the care and make
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the life-saving decisions that need to be made and can make the diagnoses of the bacterial infections and other things. that's one of the things that needs to be done is they need to step up their recruitment of physicians. quite honestly, everyone should be ashamed that myself, i have left the team after 20 years of experience and left the system because i can't imagine functioning within a system now that i've gone so public. >> doctor, thank you for joining us. hhs says that they hope that the poor judgment of one person will not tar the more than 500 hhs personnel that are on the islands. moving on, though, we have breaking news out of las vegas. >> police just updated their investigation into this months old shooting. this month's shooting outside of mandalay bay. they defended the department's response to the massacre. >> in the public space, the word
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incompetence has been brought forward. i am absolutely offended with that characterization. this is a very dynamic event. very big event. thousands of people involved. humans involved in documentat n documentation. there is no conspiracy between the fbi, between lvmpd and the mgm. nobody is attempting to hide anything reference this investigation. >> justice correspondent pete williams is standing by in our newsroom. pete, the timeline has been muds i. what clarification are they offering? >> first, i should explain why sheriff lombardo said what he said. there's been a lot of talk on social media accusing the sheriff's office of all sorts of things. i think that has gotten under his skin. that's why he wanted to talk about that. he got emotional toward the end
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of his news conference. more about that in a moment, katie. the basic story here, the news we got today is that, while the sheriff stands by his timeline, what he means is that he stands by the -- the whole question had been earlier in the week, the official account was that at 9:59, that's when stephen paddock in that room at the mandalay bay hotel fired through the door into the hallway at a security guard and later at a building engineer and that it was six minutes later when paddock began firing out the window at the crowd down below. last night the mgm hotel said they believe that the firing at the guard and outside happened within a minute or so. and the sheriff now says he agrees with that. 9:59 he says was the information initially given to investigators based on a handwritten log. it turns out that log was the time when the security guard first got to a blocked door, which authorities say it an exit
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door that paddock tried to block so it would be harder to get to him. but now the point here is that the mgm hotel, the sheriff's office, all the investigators now agree that stephen paddock fired through the door at the guard in the hallway and then within a minute or so, within just a matter of seconds turned around, went to the window and started firing at people on the ground below. the second point he said is that investigators now believe that stephen paddock intentionally fired rounds with one of his high-powered rifles at airport fuel tanks, airport fuel storage tanks that were at the nearby airport. it didn't substantially damage them. the authorities have said it's very difficult to set off a fuel tank with a gunshot. but he does say now they believe that was intentional. a couple of quick other notes, katie. he said of the 546 people who were injured in the october 1st shooting, 45 of them are still in the hospital, some of them in
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critical condition. then as i said, he got emotional talking about the response of his own officers. he mentioned a couple in particular. one who was -- both of whom were wounded. one has a broken leg. one wants to come back to work as soon as possible. and the sheriff got a little bit emotional talking about the dedication of his own people and their response, katie. >> pete williams in our washington bureau. thank you very much. >> you bet. for the most part, the president has punted most of his campaign promises to congress. if they fail to pass them, who is to blame. why did trump get a rock star welcome at today's values voter summit. but first, did you hear about this? interior secretary ryan zinke ordered staffers to raise the secretarial flag whenever he enters headquarters in washington. when he goes home for the night or travels, his flag comes down.
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in a trump administration, our nations religious heritage would be cherished, protected and defended like you have never seen before.
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that's what's happening. the american founders invoked our creator four times in the declaration of independence. four times. [ applause ] how times have changed, but you know what, now they're changing back again. booed after trash mark marco rubio. today president trump provided the crowd plenty of red meat to chew on. talked about respecting the flag. vowed to make christmas christmas again and listed many accomplishments, but many accomplishments aren't legislative. the fact is the reality is -- sorry, getting redundant in our scripts here. when it comes to policy the president punted much of his agenda to congress. elise jordan is a former adviser to senator rand paul's campaign and msnbc political analyst. harold ford from university of michigan gerald ford school of public policy and a former democratic congressman and msnbc political contradicter and charlie sykes, contributor as well and the author of a new book "how the right lost its mind." charlie, congratulations. i know what a toil it is to get these things out there, and i
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cannot read -- cannot wait. i can read. shock. it's friday the 13th. i'm a mess. i cannot wait to read your entire book, charlie. so congratulations, again. >> thank you. >> so elise, the president's strategy is to punt these things to congress. who, though, takes the blame if congress fails to act? >> i think that's part of the plan, because president trump knows that congress is more unpopular than he is, and so he can always push the blame away on the gop establishment, which has become his favorite punching bag in days of late, and you look at, this is a president who came into office without many well-defined principles or policy initiatives that he really was adamant he would pursue. since he doesn't care that much about policy would rather focus on things like the nfl, why not just punt it could congress? >> congress has a 10% approval rating, harold. 10%. that's got to make it easy for him to say it's congress' fault.
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>> i think at some point they said a root canal was more popular than congress. most of what the president has to do has to go through congress. when you talk about taxes and changes that money matters including health care has to go through congress. what he did today that was unfortunate and reprehensible in that he didn't withdraw from his iran deal, decided to take the middle ground and punt. say to congress, i'm decertifying, you come up with the reasons. congress said they didn't want to do it. leaders in the senate and house, have jurisdiction, this is not the right thing to do. i don't know of one foreign leader that called the president and said, please, discertify. this is really a punt and has real ramifications around the globe with the russians, chinese, european allies. hopefully congress will do the right thing and enumerate why we should stay in the deal and punt back to the white house, mr.
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president, you make the decision. we're prepared to go forward and stand with the agreement as long as irans do not violate the terms of the nuclear agreement. >> and that's if the pret stops fighting with everybody in congress. fighting with republicans a lot. charlie, speaker paul ryan addressed that with kasie hunt for her new show that premieres this sunday. take a listen. >> the president has regularly engaged in disputes with various members. bob corker most recent. ben sasse, over the first amendment. is that helpful in your judgment. >> we've had our engagements in the past, too. i don't think it -- what i'm trying to get our members to do focus on doing our jobs. we're here elected to represent our constituents, advance our principles, pass solutions. that's what we're folk isd on and i try to get members not to get distracted by these things. >> your title of the book "how the right lost its mind." you look at paul ryan not making
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excuses so much but sort of saying this is just the way he is. what is your reaction? >> yeah. well, that's why i opened the book with, with the quote "the best lack all conviction while the worst of full of passionate intensity from wv 37." donald trump is is a distraction. how can you not be? at the moment when the president needs cooperation of congress on these incredibly important issues he's burning one bridge after another, which really raises the question, how serious he is about actually governing as opposed to building up his base, throwing red meat to his base. i mean, look, i think there's a legitimate role for congress in the iran deal, but you get the sense that donald trump is the anti-harry truman who said the buck stops here, and with donald trump, there's always someone else to blame, and i think this is part of the new dynamics of politics, that for the trump base, donald trump can't fail. he can only be betrayed, finds
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someone else to point the finger at. >> even in military decisions he's punted concerning military deaths. what do republicans do about this president? >> of course, they haven't figured it out. i mean, you do have i suppose, the positive thing. that you do have growing number of voices, still small, bob corker, jeff flake, ben sasse, willing to basically say out loud what a lot of conservatives are saying. i think that what we need to do is support the president when he's right but also understand the degree to which this president represents the repudiation of conservative valleys, the repudiation of reagan inch and the extent to which he's going to toxify a lot of things they care about. the fact they're not getting their agenda through is bad enough. the fact that they're going to be wearing the taint of donald trump and they're going to be unable to separate themselves from donald trump for the next generation ought to concern them very much. >> so the president is -- maybe
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he's trying to make a deal. maybe saying, i'm going to gut obamacare in order to force people to come to the negotiating table. that's a generous view of it. he tweeted basically that this morning. democrats should call me. so are democrats going to call him? >> they may be forced to and republicans alike s. that a victory for him if they're forced to? >> i think -- he knows what he's doing. a callous move on his part. some legal grounds. courts saying we won't deal with this. let a higher court. doesn't want to defend it and is giving it to congress. republicans can attack them come forward with democrats and figure out a fix for this. i wish he hadn't done it. he had every rye ight to do it makes a great deal of urgency around lamar alexander, patti murray deal to solve this. and hopefully sooner than later from the standpoint so many people will be affected by this. so many hospital systems and
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particularly charity hospital systems around the country that will be affected by the president's decision here. >> and elise, susan collens stayistay i ing in the senate. >> not necessarily good for president trump since she has shown she is willing to buck the white house on occasion. i think that today with what donald trump did on health care and then what he said about decertifying the iran deal, though, he shows such a willingness to yell and scream and say some things that are horrible and rip it up, which if might actually have severe flaws, but not offering a solution, which ultimately is going to make things probably worse and then he owns the worst outcome. >> right. >> what happens with bob corker now with the jpcoa? what does bob corker advocate in the senate? sorry. charlie? >> well, he seems to be comfortable with this decision. working very, very closely with rex tillerson. so at least you have a sense
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that there's not a panic that donald trump has not going rogue at least with the adults in the adult day-care center of the white house. but, again, the relationship between donald trump and bob corker, i think, is irretrievably broken and they'll find some common ground but i wouldn't expect much beyond that. >> charlie sykes, harold folder, ford, elise, thank. charlie, congratulations on the book. >> one more thing before we go. ran out of time yesterday but wanted to tell you a story about an asteroid that came too close to comfort to the earth yesterday. a small one. about 100 feet long but center big enough to do real damage. if it did hit us, especially at its you know, measly speed of 16,000 miles per hour. but that murderous asteroid is so yesterday. today we have an earth-ending super volcano. simmering right under yellowstone national park, and as "usa today" puts it it could evupt early and it could wipe
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out all life on earth. if you've been to yellowstone, you know the big attractions. the geyser, old faithful and the grand prismatic spring, so beautiful it looks fake, but scientists say these national treasures are a small hint of the terror down below. you know, something like a huge rumbling reservoir of magma so big and hot that it's actually cause the ground above it to rise nearly a foot in just seven years. scientists say this supervolcano is so powerful it could spew 2,500 more rocket ash than mount saint helens did in 1980. it wouldn't just blanket the u.s., could plunge the entire globe into a volcanic winter. yes, all of you "game of thrones" out there, winter could be coming -- oh -- and happy friday the 13th. that will do it for me today. i think it's best to talk about world-ending disasters like that with a big smile.


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