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korea be like. to face the slower death from nuclear fallout or the human effect of anything he talks about. that is "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from los angeles. i'm chris hayes. we have two big stories tonight in the last hour or so in the op going investigation into the trump came and russian interference in the election. first, former white house chief of staff reince priebus, the man in the room for meetings with russian officials and who is reportedly part of discussions on firing the then fbi director james comey was interviewed by robert mueller's team and according to his lawyer william burk. he said priebus was happy to answer the their questions and a second piece of big breaking news and that is nbc news reporting that donald trump's
former campaign manager paul manafort had a $60 million relationship with a russian olig arc. and we begin with reince priebus meeting with the team and the reporter who broke that story, josh dossy. what could you tell us about how this meeting came together. >> we know that reince priebus is of interest to the special council because he was there for a dozen of meetings and spent hound hundreds of hours with the president and there when he fired james comey and when that decision was made and on air force one and there in the campaign and several weeks ago mueller's team signaled to reince priebus's loy -- lawyer we want to talk to you and they spoke today for several hours and of interest to bob mueller, is why comey was fired and what meetings president trump had with russian officials and a host of things and why there was something written on air force one as meeting with russiaon
officials in 2016. we know that reince priebus is a key figure here and probably took all sorts of questions, a smog as board of questions. >> priebus was there and to go back that, was he on the plane when that statement was crafted, that wildly misleading statement about donald jr.'s meeting. >> he was not on that plane but he was there for surrounding conversations and white house strategy around that. but he was not on the plane. and to be clear, we do not think priebus is a target in this. we think it is a witness but it is a high level witness to be called yet. doesn't get more powerful than chief of staff to the president. when you are bob mueller, he's a fount of information and his lawyer said he was happy to answer all questions honestly. so we'll see. >> he also was there -- he was in the room that sort of fateful meeting and correct me if i'm wrong, but my understanding is that that meeting in which james
comey said that the president dismissed everyone from out of the room, and then said to him, can you find your way to letting him go, meaning stop investigating flynn, that priebus was one of the people who was in the room before being dismissed. >> right. he wasn't in the room when that conversation happened. he had left the oval office by then. but he was there during the surrounding conversation before that. and probably had a number of conversations with the president about comey, at that time and later on before he fired him. so that is a hot topic of discussion for bob museumer's team. we know is why james comey was fired, what could have happened in the firing and the key moments that involved mr. comey, reince priebus was right in the middle of it. >> josh dossy, thanks for joining us. news on donald trump's campaign manager and his multi-million relationship with a russian olig arc. we have the story, tonight with
paul mania forte key focus looking into correction between russia and the trump team, our nbc news investigation reveals new evidence of the money trail connecting manafort to moscow. $26 million more than has been reported before. money loaned to manafort by this man, a russian billionaire with close ties to vladimir putin. which may explain why he offered the russian a private briefing about the trump came. >> they were unsecured loans. >> right. >> so we don't know if they were paid. >> you could call it a loan. could you call it mary jane, if it is not -- there f there is no intent to repay it, it is not a loan. it is just a payment. and money laundering frequently will decide payments as loans. >> using official company records from several countries,
we are able to trace two loans. one for $26 million, and another for about $7 million made by a company-owned by the russian linked to manafort in cypress. and they lent $27 million to a delaware company, named after man afort's two daughters. in total at least $60 million in loans from the russian landed in accounts connected to manafort. >> now those transactions are part of the investigation that led special counsel robert mueller to send agents to manafort's home, a raid the president said he found surprising. >> i've always found manafort to be a accide-- decentman and pro makes consultant fees. >> but most don't receive tens of million dollars of dollars in loans from their clients and we asked him to explained the loans but he said manafort did not collude with the russian government. >> he'll be joining rachel
maddow at the top of the hour. to more on the connections, bringing in natasha bertrand from business insider carefully following this story and manafort. and you pointed out, you highlighted the thing that blew me away the most in this story in the reporting. and that is the statement from the spokesperson for paul manafort. he firstishures a statement to nbc news, which says mr. manafort is not endebted to former clients today and nor was he at the time he was working with the trump campaign. and they with drew that statement and gava new statement that deleted that sentence. the contention that he is neither endebted nor at the time. that seems like a pretty big deal. >> it is. and it says a lot. there has been this consistent effort since it was reported that paul manafort was the subject of a fisa warrant not once but twice, the most recent being at the end of last year.
and to fbi act agents to collect all of his stored communications and since then the line from his spokesperson is why was paul bailed, we need more information from the justice department on this. and they've tried to shift the focus from perhaps the reasons why this fisa warrant was obtained in the first place to maybe there was some kind of overreach by the justice department that was unwarranted here. >> so you've got this story that has been told and we found out those e-mails, that paul manafort sends almost immediately upon taking office. in the campaign where he goes to a protege of his working in the campaign and said how do we use this to get hull. and the story that manafort's people told was that they were owed money. that the people owed them money that they were trying to collect on. even though it seemed like it was almost certainly the other way around and he offered the russian a private briefing, this
adds a new wrinkle if if he owed him $30 million. >> that is why the original statement from paul manafort spoke struck me as odd because it is well-known that manafort did this business with him in the mid 2000s that fell through. it was a project that he had loaned him a lot of money for, something like $17 million and paul manafort essentially -- he claims disappeared with that cash. and so paul manafort has been in this spot where he's been trying to repay for that and that is well reported by the associated press and others and to come out and say he was indebted or that paul manafort was trying to collect debt just seemed very backwards from the beginning. >> and i just want to be clear, the $17 million that ended up with the lawsuit in the cayman islands and nothing came of it, reporting is new and passed that to bring the total $60 million.
we have no idea as of now why dara poska is channeling $30 million through a series of fairly intricate transactions to get them into the pockets of shielded corporations that are tied to paul manafort, right. >> no. we don't. and that is exact lip what bob mueller wants to know. he wants to know why was this money transferred and why was paul manafort trying to use his position on the campaign as leverage in order to get this money back to dare poska and work a deal out where they could negotiate debt cancelation or forgiveness and former counter intelligence said that is a huge red flag because debt cancelation is a lot harder to track than payments themselves. so this is going to add a whole new layer to the investigation. >> natasha bertrand, thank you. to help put this these breaking news stories in the big picture, former watergate
prosecutor nick ackerman and joyce vance. let me start with you nick on the reince priebus talking to muell mueller's team. >> he is the most logical person to go to. he was in the right place at the right time from the standpoint of the prosecutors. he was there when donald trump was dealing with comey. he was there when donald trump was talking about what he was going to do to comby. and he was also involved with the flynn situation. he made statements about the june 9th meeting at trump tower with the russians and i think he said that it was a nothing-burger. how does he know that. who did he talk to? there are a whole series of things that he could be extremely helpful on and could provide lots of leads in terms of this investigation. he was with donald trump right from the time that trump took
office, he was in a position as his chief of staff where he was in the oval office all of the time, he was outside of the oval office, he knows who trump spoke to, and i think even more importantly, he also knows what the posture was with the trump white house with respect to cooperating or not cooperating with the mueller investigation. i think he could give a lot of in sight into exactly where this white house is coming from, in terms of this investigation and how it views it. >> joyce, when you are speaking to the investigators, the special prosecutor and worked in the white house, you have to be truthful under penalty of felony, is my understanding, you cannot invoke executive privilege in those context or can you? >> well, you know, you really can't invoke the privilege, it is really the president to invoke, to keep conversations
about internal deliberations from coming forward. so it seems unlikely that priebus would have asserted it and from all appearances today, he was a smiling and happy participant in these conversations. >> you know there is a statement, i want to pivot to manafort because there is statement from his spokesperson that is interesting, which is that mr. manafort did not collude with the russian government and they are very clear about that word government and you are smiling joyce, what do you make of that? >> it sounds like something that i've heard in virtually every case i ever worked on in 25 years as a prosecutor. they find some small way to slice the difference. so they are not guilty of what you are talking with them about. this is familiar to prosecutors. and so he might be saying, well i didn't collude with the russian government, of course that was in bed with a russian oligarch and i don't think this is particularly helpful or as prosecutors would say
exculpatory, at best it indicates that he and his spokesperson are struggling to stay alive here. to delete information from statements that they make and trying as far as possible to give the appearance of not having colluded with the russians, when that $60 million figure is now on the table for everyone to see. >> nick, the famous line, from all of the president's men is follow the money. and you were on the that watergate team. i am just astounded that we've just learned of $30 million in loans through very come plick alted sort of secret back channels from a russian oligarch into the president's campaign that we are just finding out right now. >> there is probably more we don't know about. we know about aa bank account in cyprus and money going into there and into another account condition trolled by manafort in the u.s. but we don't know how much other money went in. we don't know all of the
circumstances surrounding this. i mean this is a enormous amount of money. i don't think there was anything like this in watergate. i think here in this investigation we're looking at following the rubbles, is what we are looking at and what did the administration and the russians get in return for those rubles. >> joyce, final question on reince priebus, he apparently dined with the president, i believe on october 5th. a little more than a week ago. does that raise any red flags to you? >> so we know that the president has repeatedly made efforts, has reached out to witnesses despite the advice of counsel that he not do so. i'm sure that this would not have been with the blessing of his lawyers and equally certain that mueller would have wanted to hear from reince priebus about what went on during that meal. >> nick ackerman and joyce vance, thank you both. tonight the trump attack on the obama legacy and how he
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there are days when many americans find themselves worried about what the president could do and his long-term impact on the institutions and then days like today he takes concrete steps with immediate destructive consequences and today with a fraying gop coalition he used executive powers to make good on two of his preferred political threats. one disavowing the international deal with iran, a move opposed by most of the world including our allies and the president's own national security team and two, ending payments to insurance company that's help subsidize out of pocket costs for the lowest income americans, a part of obamacare known as csres and for months he's been threaten to hold the payment hostage to negotiate on
repealing obamacare and he has followed through and the
president treated out a ransom note. the democrats obamacare is imploding. and talking to reporters outside of the white house, the president doesn't understand what those go towards or he's just lying about them. >> that money is a subsidy for insurance companies. take a look at their stocks. look at where they are. they are going through the roof. now if the democrats were smart, what they do is come and negotiate something where people could really get the kind of health care that they deserve. but the subsidy is really a subsidy for the insurance company, that is not going to people. that is making insurance companies rich. >> subsidies are quote, not going to people. according to the president. but that's exactly where they do end up. helping the poorest americans pay their out of pocket costs for things like deductible and co pays. of the people live in states
that helped put trump in the white house, like south carolina, and alabama and mississippi which has the highest share of obamacare enrollees benefiting from the csres and getting strong opposition including brian sandoval, the governor of nevada who said it will hurt kids and families and individuals it is going to hurt people with mental health issues and it is going to hurt veterans, it is going to hurt everybody. in an interview with nbc news, susan collins of maine rejected the president's rational. >> this subsidy is not a bailout for the insurance industry. if you don't have the csr subsidy, low income people are going to have a very difficult time that for some it may be impossible affording their deductible and their co-pay. >> and the only argument the president has ever made for
repealing obamacare is that obamacare the law is imploding, it is a claim that has been shot down by experts and insurance companies and the congressional budget office. but his administration has been trying to make that claim come true. cutting the open enrollment period, and slashing funding to help people sign up and take other steps to destabilize the exchange. but ending csr payments is the most overt, destructive bit of sabotage to date. and that will drive up premiums by double-digit and cause more ensurers to leave and leave people without insurance in the next year. as the ceo of one insurance company put it on a conference call. if you want to have a great health plan, you wouldn't be doing this. and chuck schumer and nancy pelosi call the move a spiteful act of vast pointless sabotage leveled at working families and the middle class in every corning of america. the question now is what exactly the president is demanding for ransom.
according to mcnuick mulvaney t politico it could be a bargaining chip to repeal the obamacare act or to fund the border wall with mexico. tom reid is a republican from new york who voted for the house bill to replace obamacare. how does stopping the payments make anyone's lives better when we know it will make people's lives worse. >> well first of all, these are legal payments. it has been ruled by the courts they are legal. they are not in the law, they are unauthorized on the executive branch and what the president has done is put the pressure on congress to deal with this problem and i'm part of 46 members on both sides of the aisle that put together a proposal that will address this issue of the destabilizing of the market place. >> so just to go back for a second. forward judge had ruled that the -- the payments were not appropriated by congress. but he stayed that pending appeal. so just to acknowledge, this is a affirmative decision by the president he is under no obligation to do this and he is
choosing to do this and explicit he is taking people's health care ransom. >> and these payments are not authorized and we have to go through congressional process to get it paid and the president is following the law and we're putting pressure on congress -- where the responsibility does rest to fix this problem. >> this is the thing that drives people crazy. it is 266 days -- there is nothing in a has passed -- >> because we have been playing shirts and skins, us versus them an 234u6 enough -- enough of -- >> eye he i know from your the problem solvers caucus but people in oregon that said their premium is going up and across the country -- >> and i've been seeing those notices for years and the lack of choice across the country. >> this is a problem. >> i know that. but this is gone up more over and above, it is not just the same thing. yesterday the premiums were one
thing and today they are 15 or 20% higher. so you have to complain to those people getting the bills in the mail where you guys in congress which controls all three branches of government can't solve the problem without making them pay more money out of -- pocket. this is not about republicans, this is about congress. democrats and republicans solving this problem. for the people we represent. -- >> congressman, you control -- >> appreciate the people in the problem solvers leading on this issue. >> but you are not leading. >> yes, we are. >> but i hate to tell you -- >> it is 80% victory on both sides of the aisle to forward to solve the health care problem in mirk. >> if you were leading and the solving of the problems was happening we wouldn't be in a position where people are getting notice from insurance companies saying your premiums are going up. >> and that is why the extremes on both sides and right and left putting us in this gridlock positions have to be broken. we are part of the effort to do this. >> congressman, the president of the united states took this
action today. i feel like we're -- we're not acknowledged that. the president took an action today. it was an action he tonight taken before and an action that he didn't have to take as evidenced by the fact that it took him 266 days to take it. so why is it the case that people should have worse health care or pay more money for it because congress and the republican party in particular, which controlled congress, cannot fix their health care. >> i think you nailed it right there. congress needs to act to fix this problem. and that is where it rests and i fully take that -- that path in order to solve this -- it will take legislation working together to get things done. >> so here is ai proposal, a lot of people in your party do not like long legislation, one of the knocks on the aca. you could find a three or fur lines appropriation bill to appropriate the bill to the floor tomorrow. can do you that. >> that will not fix the problem. we could start with the market place -- >> but it is a problem.
>> repeal the employer mandate up to 500 employees and pay for it in reimbursement that will drive health care costs down and you have a solution to build off of and find a foundation to grow. >> i hope you have successful in congress for stalling the disaster and have you back on the program. but -- >> i'm working for it. >> but forgive me for sharing the skepticism of a lot of americans. >> god speed. >> i appreciate that. there are many that want to get this done for the american people. >> we'll see. appreciate you being here. >> always a pleasure. coming up, the president who sold himself as the world's greatest builder is stuck in demolition mode. the attack on the obama legacy next. the opioid my doctor prescribed for my chronic back pain backed me up... big time. before movantik, i tried to treat it myself. no go. but i didn't back down.
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. the last ten months we have followed through on one promise after another. i didn't have any schedule, but if i did have a schedule, i would say we are substantially ahead of schedule. >> that last line, that is not true. donald trump did have a schedule. made it public. and he is behind it. as a candidate he laid out ten pieces of legislation, including tax reform, and repealing obamacare and ending, quote, illegal immigration that he wanted to pass in the first 100 days. well we are 166 days past that deadline and none of the legislation has passed. none of it. instead the president with blunt object in hand is swinging blindly at barack obama legacy. want to bring in steve schmidt. how do you understand where the president's agenda and the actions he's taken particularly today on iran and the csrs in
trying to tear down some of the stuff built before him. >> there is an extraordinary interview with the congressman, and i was -- i applause your restraint from having an aneurysm during it. it is a -- look you've never seen an action by a president purposefully that is going to harm americans. it's go to do real damage to real people. the republican governor of nevada brian sandoval is exactly correct. there are substantial issues with obamacare that you would like to see be made better. but when you are in a hole, stop digging. and so he made the problem materially worse. and so we're looking at an a -- a range offi issues. we have a president of the united states talking about a war where to could be estimated as high as a million casualties
in the war in the korean peninsula and the achievement of giving to iran the moral high ground in a -- in a agreement with the united states, that we acknowledge that they are in compliance with, though they do many other bad things, the complete and total incompetence and malfeasance of this administration where we likely have significant numbers of deaths on puerto rico that have been caused by it. and we look across the board, we see damage to our institutions, damage to our culture, damage by policy, it is a extraordinary to be hold at this moment in time. >> one of the things, i remember i covered the obama administration, in those yerl -- the earliest financial
administration and some were wrong and some were right but they are working and trying to figure out what you could and couldn't do, to reduce harm. and it seems to me that we've got this sort of backwards thing happening now where after this period of time the president is really acting out of peak and frustration in the actions he's choosing to take. >> i think there is no question that that is true. when you look at the comments he's made with regard to puerto rico and the hurricane, it is clear from his comments that he views himself as the pin ultimate victim of the hurricane, because he was criticized by the mayor of san juan. and so when he's criticized or provoked he lashes out. he's lashing outin zimm natally with his usual leave of in competence and now the cost to people's lives is going up. and could get much greater as
for example when we look at the iran deal, there are serious implications from the north korean perspective about how they evaluate this as -- and you start now to hear the drum beat and the drums of war surrounding this administration and it is quite disturbing. >> what about the argument that in doing both the iran deal and the csr he is putting appreciate on a congress that has failed to act and putting the ball in their court trying to get them to do things they haven't. >> look, i think the thing that unites americans more than any other issue is their contempt for the united states congress. which has an approval rating on a good day, that gets to 13%. but un latter ll a aggregating an agreement, dividing us from our western allies, giving iran
the high ground in a deal that they are in compliance with, according to the secretary of defense and the secretary of state, and according to the secretary of defense that is in the material national interest of the united states, has the affect of making the world more dangerous. and so if the calculation is congress is bad, which they are, but the way to remedy that is to aggregate agreements that make the world more dangerous and have the exact opposite effect than what we are trying to achieve in north korea than -- and it doesn't make a lot of sense. >> doesn't make a lot of sense. steve schmidt, thank you very much. >> good to be with you, chris. and still to come, the reports that the president threw hiay hit when he was told to stick with the iran deal and what steve was just talking about next. ry is that? it's not the magic-wand kind.
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disregarding his top national security advisers and many of america's closest allies, the president did not certify the iran nuclear deal. >> iran is not living up to the spirit of the deal. so today in recognition of the increasing menace posed by iran, and after extensive consultations with our allies, i am announcing a new strategy to address the full range of iran's destructive actions.
>> that phrasing there is significant. the spirit of the deal. and that is because iran has in fact lived up to the letter of the deal itself. they are in compliance. defense secretary jim mattis even testified it is in our national interest to keep the deal. secretary of state rex tillerson and others urged the president to certify. it but according to the washington post, the president through a fit over that idea so his advisers came up with the plan that puts the burden on congress. the leaders of france, germany and the u.k. and the international atomic energy took a different stance releasing statement in support of the deal and reuters reported that rouhani said iran will remain committed to the deal as long it serves the country's national interest. much like the president's efforts to derail the aca, the actions keep in the deal in place for now while undermining yet another of barack obama's achievements. and human may and what did today
mean for the deal. >> i think something that has been underreported is the fact that he he is kicking it to congress. and they'll have 60 days to decide whether to snap back the sanctions or not. but he said that if they don't come up a plan and a legislation that would pass the senate with 60 votes, then he would terminate the deal. he said that. he said i will terminate the deal if we can't come to an agreement in 60 day and a saying i'm going to get out of this deal in 60 days because there is very -- i can't see any chance of new legislation that would make -- that would make the deal satisfactory to president obama -- which means a permanent deal and that there is never any end point to the deal. so i don't see -- i can't be very optimistic unless he comes back in 60 days and said well that wasn't enough time and we're at christmas so let's give
them another 60 day and keep doing that but that alone will keep the uncertainty around the deal and iran at some point will go to the jcpoa and the nuclear deal commission and say, the u.s. is in violation because they are in violation of the spirit of the deal as well as materially in violation because they are not encouraging or not not discouraging european businesses from doing business with iran. >> and so one of the things at the core of the president's speech, the whole idea behind the deal itself between these two countries that haven't had diplomatic relations for 30 years was to hive off the nuclear issue from everything else. so deal with the nuclear issue in parallel and everything else that iran is doing that from the u.s. perspective, we don't like and think is bad and dangerous. that is just a separate channel. >> a separate channel and a separate issue. >> and so the appearance is just sort of smash them back together and is there any way that works. >> no. i mean obama made it clear. it took twoer -- two years of in
tense negotiations and every month we were in some european country for days and weeks negotiating the nuclear deal. if they wanted to do all of the other issues, it would have been impossible and taken ten years but the point was to halt the iran nuclear program which they did. which happened. and now what the supreme leader of iran said at the time, we'll see what happens if the americans could be trusted on this and he said i doubt they can be and trump is making him right. which is not a position you would want our president to be in. he said if they can be trusted and if the deal works, then we can talk about other stuff. other stuff that we have problems with the united states and the west with. but now since he's trying to mash those two together, i think iran is basically never going to talk to the united states about any issue at this point. at least not while this is going on. >> thank you for your time. >> my pleasure. tonight the amazing story of a group of vrlts weterans are w
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get an accurate picture of the situation on the ground. so many have been getting updates from these guys, a group of u.s. army veterans turned volunteers who have been handed out food and water and medical supplies in remote areas that have gotten little to no aid. >> in this area we're really the only ones here, 12 volunteer veterans and people are hurting really bad right now. these are your fellow americans and they are suffering and hurting and not getting the support they need to survive. >> the vets have been uploading videos of residents to facebook, many of whom have no other way to tell their families and friends they are safe. nbc news traveled with the men into the mountains in western puerto rico and we're going to bring you the remarkable sight and sounds from that trip and speak to one of the vets live from puerto rico right after this. >> we reached the top of the village -- when you're close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment?
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in a remote section of western puerto rico, a group of veterans turned volunteers have become lifeline in the wake of hurricane maria. gabe gutierrez went out with them on one of their missions. >> these men came out of nowhere, they know exactly where they need to go with a map. they are up to midnight going into the mountains feeding people. >> everybody load up their vehicles, five minutes. >> you see like big huge
mudslides coming down the side is some of them the houses are hanging on by a string. >> this is wrecked. >> this one is rough. >> they need food? >> yeah. >> okay. >> how are you doing? >> thank you very much. >> of course, of course. >> you haven't seen anyone? >> no. >> god bless you. >> happy to see you. >> grew up in west virginia. >> yeah, west virginia. this is kind of like my home. i love to see this place without the devastation because this place would be gorgeous. >> what is the town calling you? do you like that name? >> i think it fits.
bunch of veterans, military guys show up in the town and start handing out food and water. it fits for us. >> what do you do this? >> you know, these people need help. they need help. if i was stuck stranded in the mountains, i'd want somebody to come and help me. you know, and i wouldn't want anybody to forget about me. >> why is it so important for you guys as private citizens to step up? >> because they are americans. just like everybody here, if we were in trouble, we would want help too. these americans are in trouble and they need help. >> i'm okay. >> the expandibles, they are the guys who are the real mccoy, jump in. the real rambos. >> i'm joined from puerto rico by former army staff sergeant
jason mattie, how are you getting to where you're going and getting supplies to the people you're getting them to? >> basically we're plotting out areas that are remote that we know are very far back into the mountains. we're plotting out on maps. we are getting guided by the local population and they are taking us to the areas where people are trapped, isolated, they have no food, no water. and they are helping us out, guiding us in pretty much. >> you posted a video about people getting one meal ration with some snacks basically and six bottles of water for a whole family. how dire is it in the places you've been? >> it's extremely dire. the families there, they have -- some of these families have five and six children and you're only
giving them six bottles of water and one snack pack meal per day. and the problem is that that's when we can get to them. most of the time we can't get to them because it rains every day in puerto rico, it's kind of monsoon season. the roads wash out and there's mudslides and it becomes very dangerous. there's been times that we've been four or five days where we can't get back to those families and those families, that's what they are living off of. >> as someone who is in the u.s. army, do you think that with sufficient capacity, will, money and resources that the u.s. military in a more targeted organized way get to the people and be sustaining them until the infrastructure is repaired? >> i think the u.s. military -- being actually -- being from the u.s. military, spending 14 years in it, i think we do have -- the
military does have the resources to do it. i think it's just a matter of getting the resources to -- the adequate amount of resources to puerto rico to properly conduct these operations to get out into the isolated areas to get to people. >> what do you want people to know about puerto rico that are watching this? >> i want them to know that they are the most resilient people i've ever met. they are wonderful. even in tragedy, even in tragedy, they come together and they help each other. and you know, they come up to us with no -- we're trying to give them water, what little we have and they'll come up and offer us water. and you know, it kind of breaks our hearts to see it, to see it like that. but they are great people. >> all right, i just want to quickly note you can see all of jason's videos which are
incredible on his facebook page and keep up with the team's efforts there. jason maddy, thank you so much for doing what you're doing and being with us tonight. >> thank you, sir. good night. >> that is all in. the rachael maddow show starts right now. >> the last 24 hours has been a weird whiplash news cycle. the administration announced suddenly that it will deliberately throw a wrench into the american health care system. a policy change from the administration that didn't have to go through congress. it will have the effect of costing the government about $200 billion over the next ten years in exchange for spending that extra taxpayer money, there will be an estimated 1 million americans who will lose their health insurance coverage all together because of this change. and health insurance costs are likely to go up for everyone.