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as we approach the top of the hour, i bid you a deux for the day. but my colleague continues our coverage right now. good to see you. >> good to see you. i'll see you very soon. hello, everyone. teheran is fuming this saturday after president trump's move to decertify the iran nuclear agreement. the regime and fake media are slamming mr. trump for what they consider his combative tone for comments like this. >> we will not continue down a path whose predictable conclusion is more violence, more terror and the very real threat of iran's nuclear break
down. that is why i'm directing my administration to work closely with congress and our allies to address the deal's many serious flaws so that the iranian regime can never threaten the world with nuclear weapons. >> nbc's kelly o'donald is at the white house. kelly, big speech from the president yesterday, but he's leaving a lot hanging out here. >> reporter: well, there are a couple of steps the president is taking. first, the iranian nuclear deal from 2015 remains intact. what the president has decided to do is say to congress he would not certify they are fully in compliance. that is a step congress took. it's an internal u.s. matter, doesn't directly affect the agreement. they wanted some oversight on this. so by telling the congress he will not certify it, he is asking the congress to look for new ways to either increase
enforcement against iran or also look at issues that are not directly related to the nuclear program. try to do some sanctions on this areas which are considered sa s dangerous for the u.s. but not part of the nuclear deal. the president also upset about the deal sunset -- he addressed question about this. why not simply get rid of it. here's the president. >> why not scrap it altogether now? why not end it now? >> because we'll see what happens over a short period of time, and i can do that instniously. i lake a two. step process much better. >> well, i may do that. >> so there you get the
president talking about the two-step progress. ask congress to do something. if that can't be accomplished, and there's a really big if in that, because obviously you would need democrats to participate, then he would still hold epopen the possibility of tearing up the agreement, meaning withdrawing the u.s. now, allies like great britain and france are urging the president not to do that, fearing that iran would retaliate in some way and make the region even more unstable. so this is volatile course, and something the president has long signaled he wanted to do. and we're just now seeing him take some of these specific initial steps to try and deliver on a campaign promise but also try to address what he sees the threats of the iranian regime. jaken. >> the president as asked at the white house could have scrapped this deal on his own. what are you hearing from this administration as far as why the
president didn't want to end it himself? >> well, the secretary of state was here and briefing reporters. and he talked about the fact this was a step that the international community wanted an interim step to not just overnight pull out of the deal. at the same time this look at other issues, not flukeler, but ballistic missiles and terror financing is a way to put different pressure on iran. and secretary tillerson and the trgz are very clear about the fact this may not work. he described it as trying to encourage congress to act but perhaps attract some of the european partners to think about a successor deal, what would come barf the current iranian nuclear pact. so it is a long-term play. it is complicated. it is unpopular in some parts of the world, but it's very much a move the trump administration should take. jacob. >> thank you very much.
i should say with me now political reporter for "the washington post," a break down more on this iran deal news. erin, last start wuwith you. the president claimed the iran regime was on the edge of collapse. that statement debunked by the ap. the ap, by the way, also says that the $100 billion that iran was getting was there's to begin with. so, erin, where is the president getting all this information on iran? >> jacob, that's a very good question because even trump's officials have said so far iran has lived up to the deal. there is a very good chance here that trump is just trying to maintain the idea he is keeping a campaign promise by kicking it to congress. there's a very good chance that
congress does nothing over the next 60 days, and then trump can blame congress. but keep the deal intact but just pretend he was thinking of ripping up the deal. i think that's probably the best case scenario at this point because there's so much criticism from all corners of even the u.s. saying he shouldn't have done this. this is an arbitrary move at this time because he has recertified the deal a couple of times already. >> we know the president is a regular viewer of fox news. he tweets about it almost every day. here's a headline on a story fox ran this week. "iran secret sites linked to nuclear weapons -- it's an iranian exile group. fox's own group says the state department is not going to comment on this. two years ago the obama led state department said it had nothing to back a similar claim. so what is the president relying
on? >> that's certainly what it appears to be, and that has not been the first time -- this has not been the first time we've had concerns about that. this makes me think of john kelly's press conference this week where he told press it's his responsibility to make sure the president has the best information possible to make the best decisions possible. there's some concern implied in that statement that the president is reading information from questionable sites, questionable sources that are shaping how he goes about making his decisions. we'll see going forward if john kelly is able to do a better job of making sure the president hears reliable sources when he refers to the iranian deal and issues that affects so many american people as well. >> on health care essentially he's doing the same thing with the new executive order. we talk about the buck stops with the president of the united states. but is donald trump getting the reputation for passing the buck?
>> yeah, and jacob i was trying to say earlier, there's a very good chance again that congress won't act over the next 60 days. that is the most likely scenario. remember what the president said yesterday, a lot of this goes far outside the nuclear deal. the nuclear deal itself deals with iran's nuclear program. but what you'll here a lot of conservatives especially say is they're more concerned about iran's march throughout the middle east and some of the influence that iran is trying to see throughout the middle east. but the deal itself does not deal with that. and that i think is the problem and why he's taken on so much criticism. now, the president did tweet this morning that he's getting great praise for this deal -- excuse me, for the actions that he took. i've really pretty much seen that coming from benjamin netanyahu. but there's not very much praise for what the president did. i think throughout the united states and at least through the
political spectrum, you're hearing a lot of republicans say i'm not sure this is the best idea right at this time. >> praise from benjamin netanyahu and himself, the president of the united states. congress has not decided whether to put new conditions on the deal. are they going to do anything? >> well, they're certainly going to monitor these allegations the president put forward. and they're not true, i don't except them especially those critical of president trump in general to respond in a way that will be favorable to the president. like erin said in that situation, it will allow the president to take ownership of responding in a way that seems to be consistent with what he campaigned on and pivot the blame to congress. but he will be put in a difficult situation if it becomes increasingly clear especially of members of his own party that concerns and allegations that he mentioned ubthis deal turned out not to be
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welcome back. new information now in the russia hacking probe. an nbc news investigation reveals financial ties between president trump's former campaign chief and the russian oligarch go much, much more deeper than previously believed. it links manafort to $26 million. that would bump up the total to
about $60 million over the last decade. reince priebus was in the hot seat on friday. the former chief of staff's lawyer saying, quote, he was happy to answer all questions. joining me now, navid jamaly, and also want to bring back erin mcpike. navid, welcome back. let me start with you. his attorney initially said manafort wasn't in debt to former clients. what is going on here? >> what is going on indeed? that is the question. it looks like on one level paul manafort was up to his eyeballs in russian money. the second question is if in fact that criminalality did occur, does that somehow get us closer to collusion, is that
taking the money from russia, from dare poska, perhaps provide a vehicle from what we would call in the espionage business, give him taskings. >> does this get us closer to collusion? >> in the lawyer's statement he said that manafort did nautica lewd with the russian government. that leaves all kinds of space because maybe he never spoke to a russian official of the russian government, but he obviously was talking to a number of russians. so they're clearly could have been some sort of middleman, some sort of pass through. and that doesn't mean he didn't collude in general. he certainly could have. in the lawyer's comment, though, he also says manafort wants all the intercepts released. look, you don't get to diverting
millions and millions of dollars through the cayman islands without learning a couple of tricks. so they might not get intercepts of specific nefarious behavior, but it definitely could have occurred in person. we'll see what happens with this investigation. >> drip, drip, drip as they say. eugene, let me ask you about reince priebus because he was interviewed by bob mueller's team on freed. few people were physically closer to the president during the investigation. should the president be worried at this point? >> at this point there's no reason to believe that reince priebus will continue to be loyal to the president? he has a desire -- it's reasonable for him to want to clear his name and be concerned about his legacy long-term in washington, d.c. this was not how he was expecting his political career to end. and if there is something that could help clarify to people who
look at him with some level of skeptmism about his own level of personal involvement in this situation, he would want to clarify that because he wants to move forward and be a person of influence in politics. and one of the best ways he can do that is make it clear to people involved in this investigation that his hands were clean. >> plit clolitico is reporting trump has offered -- >> i doubt it's likely it's anytime soon, but again drip, drip, drip. at some point trump himself might want to try to clear his name as best he can do that. i don't think we're going to see tat in the next month or two, but who knows maybe by the end of the year. >> who knows, #whoknows. if this interview materializes between trump and bob mueller will the president who cannot even tick stooa teleprompter be
able to answer questions from a legal team? >> he can be coached. will he follow through the coaching, that remains to be seen. i think all of us have seen some of the transcripts when he's in an interview, he tends to answer questions in a way that seems to be quite different from the way that was asked to the degree it brings up the question did any new information that was helpful come out? so i think while i think the president may actually be interviewed, i'm not sure he'll be the person that will provide the most information needed to conclude what happened in the campaign with russia. >> go for it. >> just to add onto what eugene is saying. donald trump is someone who's gone after gold star parents, prisoners of war, he's gone after rosy o'donald. the only person he hasn't gone after is vladimir putin. when you talk about testifying
perhaps the biggest point of guilt donald trump is going to have to address is the fact he's never spoken out about vip, about russia. he's consistently denied and consistently defended them. evidence aside, just as a knee jerk reaction is incredibly problematic how the president of the united states did not condemn vladimir putin or even to admit russia was involved in election meddling. it's odd to say the least. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. good to see you all. and now turning to a dire situation in the california fire fight. more than 30 are dead, hundreds are missing. and thousands of homes have been destroyed by wildfires. coming up next a live report from the ground as firefighters continue to try to stop the fast moving flames. we'll be right back. >> this is our home, and it hurts to see it just burned. everywhere is scorched.
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absolutely horrific wildfires now rav mging california for nearly a week are now this state's deadliest ever. 5,700 homes and buildings have been completely destroyed. and vacations are still under way. and with continued dry conditions and gusty winds the battle's far from over. >> our daughter called from san francisco and she said, you've got to evacuate. and we didn't evacuate right away. and she said in 20 minutes she called us and back and said you got to get out of that house. and i looked out my window and there was a wall of flame out my window. >> the story of those folks is truly extraordinary. joining me now is nbc's sarah dollic. give us the latest with vacations and everything else going up there. >> reporter: multiple mandatory vacations remain in place right now, including in the oakmont
area where crews are trying to stop the flames from jumping highway 12. our crew was actually in that area this morning around 4:30 local time when that vacation order came in. they captured some truly dramatic pictures of firefighters trying to protect structures, homes, businesses in these densely populated areas that are being affected by these fires. as you mentioned the weather today is unfortunately not looking good. light winds right now that are expected to only pick up. and when you mix that with the high temperatures and low humidity, it really is a potential recipe for disaster. meanwhile as the sun came up, crews were out looking for remains with cadaver dogs doing door-to-door or property to property searches. with hundreds missing they're worried that death toll will only continue to rise as they
get into more and more areas. air quality today a very big concern. people, residents in this yea are encouraged to wear specialty mask, not just any old mask but specialties masks designed to filter out those particles as the smoke continues to billow in the air and this area remain said under a fire watch. >> just a horrific situation out there. thank you very pruch for your continued reporting. >> and still ahead we're going to have more from the fall out decision from the president to scrap obamacare scrapping payment to insurers. we're going to discuss how it will impact the millions of americans who depend on it.
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up early this morning tweeting to no surprise about the decision to scrap subsidies that pay health care to low income americans. millions of people benefit, exclamation point. i have a feeling some people will disagree with that. 18 states and people in washington disagree. let's here from republican congress woman diane black and kathleen subilious on meet the press daily yesterday. >> even though you subsidize premiums, the premiums may be low so someone can afford that, but when you have have aductible so high that someone can't afford to use their card, then that doesn't help. if they were working and doing what they needed to do, we probably wouldn't have this
conversation we're having right now. >> repealing to pay those subsidies seems to me to be totally contrary to our belief. we might need more help. do more people need help paying out-of-pocket costs, you bet. >> for more on this joined my former vermont -- howard dean. how exactly is this going to be better for americans? >> well, i think, jake, we have to go back to the fundamental issue that unfortunately the affordable care act has been bad for americans. and in fact the cbo does predict by 2020 premiums will fall based on a greater variety of products entering the market. really instead of being called cost sharing reduction, these should actually be called profit boosting subsidies for insurers because that's what they are. the fundamental mechanism of the
affordable care act is to conifer taxpayer and consumer dollars on the insurance industry. that's what they supported it. the law logs on a whole list of mandates that the insurers have to charge lots and lots of money to cover. that's their cover, so to speak, for raising premiums, raising deductibles, reducing access because they leave markets where even with all of that support they still find they can't make sufficient profit. but this action by the president is another move toward sensibly approaching this issue. and congress does need to act, jacob. congress does need to pass repeal and replacement that actually will make full sense for the american people. but those subsidies, those profit boosting subsidies actually were found to be unconstitutional by a federal appeals court judge in the district of columbia in 2016.
the president is acting in accordance with his responsibilities and with the law. >> dr. hayworth, if i could follow up on that. i understand the ultimate goal to fix obamacare and make it better, but in the meantime americans are going to suffer. shouldn't congress just fix these csrs? >> jacob, americans are suffering now. families across the country, those in the individual markets are finding that the insurance products that are being offered to them are costing ever more, even with the taxpayer dollars that we've been pumping into these insurers. even with that, insurers demand ever more. if you want to read a great piece about it that's very moving read mitial malkin today. she has talked about her family of four by the individual market have lost four different insurance plans over the past four years. and their costs keep
skyrocketing. thousands and thousands of dollars a year going just to health insurance, going to the insurers. it doesn't make sense. we can do much better. >> governor dean, i've got to get your reaction here. >> well, i think that's mostly hocus-pocus. the insurance function was originally designed by mitt romney in massachusetts. obamacare and romney care is quite similar. all this stuff kind of blows up in the president's face because he has no idea what he's doing. what he's doing is take health insurance away from a lot of americans. those americans in a a lot of states he's going to be awfully sorry about in 2018. this has to do with making insurance affordable for people who can't afford it. and the what the result has already been in free markets companies have already gotten additional rate increases in order for them to continue a splay of insurance. this is just stupidity.
it's based on petulance. donald trump no more knows about the insurance company than the man on the moon. this is silly. this is typical trump. he gets upset about something, he reacts. this is not going to fix the problems that obamacare have. the good news is this isn't going to undermine the core of obamacare. the core of obamacare was one, getting rid of pre-existing conditions, which will suffer for those people who get private insurance because of this, what he did the other day if it holds up in court, which i think it won't. but the core of obamacare is the medicare expansion. and that is going to continue for those states who have the government and the legislator with the brains to figure out how to balance their budget. for states like john kasich. that's the core of the expansion. but a lot of americans, modest income americans who presumably voted for trump are going to
suffer because of this because it's petulant, it has nothing to do with the facts and it was motivated by anger. and that's always a bad way to do public policy. >> the president seems it think this is going to force democrats to make some kind of deal on health care. he tweeted for the democrats, quote-unquote, call me. is that going to work? >> no because the president's word is no good. nobody believes the is going to make a deal. look, he made a deal on daca already, and he's already taken that offer back. making a deal with donald trump is making a deal with somebody who doesn't keep their word. he didn't keep it in business, and he's not going to keep it now. i don't believe he's going to make a deal with anybody. this is now real estate in new york city. this is serious. this is 310 million people's welfare he's responsible for. he's been in office nine months, and he doesn't seem to grasp that yet. >> scrapping subsidies of health
care is going to cause more -- trump tweeted out himself health insurance stocks took a dive. s he was proud of that. how good is this for anybody frankly? >> jacob, number one because of that court decision to which i referred earlier, that appeals court decision, most insurers actually had anticipated and also probably, yes, because of what happened in the election last year, most insurers have anticipated for 2017-2018 that they will not be getting these csrs, or again profit boosting subsidies. so they've already allowed for that. and that means there is a window for congress to act, and they should act. and the senate is especially responsible for this. we need to be able to craft a bill that will provide, just as you've said, we do need relief for the american people. they are suffering under the consequences of a very ill
conceived law. when governor dean talks about folks not doing what they're doing, my god, put government health care in the hands of federal legislators because any of them don't know anything they're doing. it's one thing if a state wants to do, it's a entirely different thing for our federal government to interfere in our health care. congress needs to act. >> you are right that the insurance premiums have been set for 2018. but the cbo predicted they'll go up 20% if president trump took this action. there's a window to act. and a lot of pain for a lot of people. thank you very much for joining us. good to see you. the oscar academy is holding an emergency meeting to determine harvey weinstein's fate as the list of accusers continues to grow. this as nbc news confirms weinstein plans to contest his firing from his own company. and be sure to catch a new edition of our weekend line up beginning tomorrow night at 7:00
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i can think of one. turning now to the biggest scandal to hit hollywood in years. the sexual harassment and assault allegations against harvey weinstein. today the academy pictures of arts and science is holding an emergency meeting to vote whether or not to kick him out that votes every single year. meanwhile reporting weinstein to contest his firing. more women continue to come forward since "the new york times" broke the news last week, bringing the total of accusers to over 35 different women, including at least three who say weinstein raped them. joining me now karen desoto, nbc
news legal analyst and law professor. noreen furel, executive director of the equal rights advocates. and rebecca keegan, hollywood correspondent at "vanity fair." and rebecca, i want to start with you. how are folks in hollywood responding here as far as organizations, people, entities cutting ties with halvy weinstein? >> people are backing away as fast as they can. the agencies, studios, networks who were doing business with him are trying to get out of the projects they're already doing and definitely not signing on for new one. >> and you're even seeing folks like allan stone who didn't explicitly dawn dem him even start to walk back their remarks. >> i think the normal process of take your time and figure out what happened accelerated this week when we saw reports both
"the new york times" and "the new yorker." >> weinstein's contract, and this is rashlable, he would not be fired for misconduct as long as he reimbursed the company for setments. nbc news did confirm the details of that contract. i want to talk about the systems in place to protect predatory work behavior. and a contract like this, how out of the ordinary is that? >> i think companies would like us to believe sexual harassment flows from a rogue actor. i think this case has revealed it's a system that perpetuates sexual predators. obviously mr. weinstein can enforce the contract, kind of speak tuesday the depth of his own illusion or a system designed to protect him, i'm not sure which is worse.
but it's combined with nondisparageant clauses, this cloud of secrecy that keeps sexual harassment victims from coming forward. >> rebecca confirmed on thursday that the nypd is going to reopen a case into harvey weinstein. and yesterday we were seeing protests outside the district attorney's office in manhattan. tell us about this 2015 case. >> in 2015 a 22-year-old model alleged she was groped by harvey weinstein. the nypd special victims unit posted a wire. and you can hear him trying to forcefully coerce her into entering hiss hotel room. and he gropes her in that audio. the district attorney decided not to move forward with that despite that oaudio.
>> karen, let me turn to you because we've got three dozen women accusing harvey weinstein. no criminal charges filed that we know of yet. why is that? >> i think it's common. a lot of these settlements have confidentiality clauses. so they really are gagged from saying anything in context. and this is one of the biggest problems because people are being paid off. even more than that, weinstein is a bigger than life figure. any woman coming against him i think has a to hesitate. now, do we know that the new yorker prosecutor didn't want to move forward and unfortunately this victim not wanting to move forward because she didn't want her career destroyed. and this unfortunately is the problem not just with hollywood but corporations all over the
country. >> is this a cultural turning point not just in hollywood but in terms of sexual harassment and assault in general? >> well, you know i've done sexual harassment for many years. it doesn't seem like it's any less. i think it's even more. i think people are more cognizant of it. i hope now more women will come forward and have a voice. and the cosby effect that they don't have to be hopeless, don't have to be alone. they can band together. and i would ask the women in hollywood to set up a 1-800 hot line. in the mike theissen case, that case was broken because of a 1-800 hot line. something where women don't feel like they're going to be penalized. >> there's no hr department for actors in hollywood. >> right. i actors have the screen actors
guild but ult melais sent on a meeting by her aean agent. it's tricky to know who's your advocate in this situation if you're one of the many actresses who's come forward. >> and so do you expect anything to change going forward here in term of protections for entertainers in the business out there without that safety net, many people normally have in workplace culture in america? >> well, all of the agencies i called this week were having intense meetings about how to handle these kinds of situations going forward, reiterating to their staffs that you have to bring a case like this to even law enforcement, to hr within the agency and figure out how to deal with it. don't just tell your client tocopy it quiet. >> and let's give you the final word here. are we seeing some kind of turning point here in hollywood
and out across the country? >> i do see a turn of culture on sexual harassment. but we're also seeing an interesting power of the consumer. we saw in the bill o'reilly case, consumers pressuring advertisers to pull out of that show. we're seeing a great pressure on the companies. this case with harvey weinstein would be a case i would present number one in a civil harassment. >> thanks so much to all of you. appreciate it very much. and coming up, an all out war against the republican party. steve bannon just addressed christian conservatives during the values voters summit. after the short break, his reaction on an attempt to rally the president's core supporters. . ...isn't it time to let the real you shine through?
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happening now, day two of the values voters summit in washington, d.c. former white house chief strategist steve bannon took the stage this morning. and he blasted perceived enemies of the president and declared war on the republican establishment. >> the day of taking a few nice conservative votes and hiding is over. >> msnbc's garret was at the summit this morning. good to see you, man. what else did bannon say out there the. >>tist really interesting. he spoke for about half an hour. some of it was praising the president and his accomplishments. but the majority of this speech was perceived attacking perceived enemies of the president. this speech was really focused on what steve bannon called rineose, sort of disloyal republicans who aren't doing enough to pass the president's agenda. and he made it as clear as he has made it so far, that all of these senators are going to get
primaries, going to get challenges. he wants folks like bob corker and mitch mcconnell gone. and to other senators he said, look, you can still surrender, you can join our cause. and he made the terms of that surrender pretty clear. >> he had been talking in the last couplef weeks about primarying everybody i think except for ted cruz, if i'm not mistaken. what are the issues that are going to be a litmus test for these 49 republican primary opponents, the current sitting senators? >> reporter: it's interesting. it's not about issues but about tactics. and vote to change the legislative filibuster, move if from that 60 vote threshold down to 50 votes. he said people voted for the president's agenda in 2016. and even republican senators who have been largely supportivive of the agenda, if they don't support these tackativtics, the
going to be out regardless of how they voted so far. >> and what was the reaction in the crowd, just out of curiosity? i mean this is red meat i would imagine for steve bannon. did people eat it up? >> they really did. i was kind of surprised. in the room at first i think there was a little surprise from the crowd he was going to go after republican senators so much. kind of been a recurring theme in the congress. when i talked to people afterwards, they said you're right a lot of these republicans have been in the swamp too long. they're lost touch with their constituents. these people aren't keeping the president's promises, and they're ready to march behind bannon and get those folks out. >> i said 79 republican senators, but i think the number if you don't include ted cruz
would be 53. how scared do you think the republicans currently sitting in the senate of the united states are in the onslaught from steve bannon? >> it depends on where you sit. some of them have not faced primary challenges in a while, some of them. bannon is a primary example of all of this was alabama, where luther strange just lost to judge roy moore. moore is someone who's been an established person in alabama for more than 20 years. and strange had his own issues coming in. so bannon held that up as the boogeyman. there's not a lot of roy moore's to run against people like -- in nebraska. but for people like dean heller in november, people like jeff flake, for folks who have been seen sort of already disloyal to the president, they're going to have a hard time.
they're going to have very expensive, very ugly primary races before they even get to think about a democratic opponent in the fall. >> nobody is safe it seems from steve bannon in front of those buttoned-down shirts. thank you very much. i'm not going anywhere next hour. you guys shouldn't either. still ahead, praise and criticism of president trump's decision to decertify the iran nuclear deal. it is now in the hands of congress. will they reimpose sanctions or withdraw from this agreement? much more news at the top of the hour. stick with us. than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company. a premium juice company. a coconut water company. we've got drinks for long days. for birthdays. for turning over new leaves. and we make them for every moment in every corner of the country. we are the coca-cola company, and we're proud to offer so much more.
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